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Christians Don't Read The Bible

Why is it there are so many people who profess to be Christians, yet they seldom if ever take the needed time to study scripture for themselves. Yet these people will believe every thing FALSE TEACHERS tell them, and read their books. Acts 17:11.

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God doesn,t bring judgement upon anyone.what you call torment is merely his judgement.it is eternal.jesus said it was.
---tom2 on 4/19/08


God doesn,t bring judgement upon anyone.they by their choices bring it upon themselves,because God will,and must judge them rightly.
---tom2 on 4/19/08


God gets no pleasure out of people who do evil and get the rewards of their evil doing. God takes pleasure in those who turn from wickedness and believe in Him. If he did not punish evildoers, what would be the point in turning from selfishness and sin, devil worship etc, to Him. The job of the Christian is to warn others, and if we don't do it their eternal damnation will be put at our doorstep.
---frances008 on 4/19/08


Is God as bad or worse than Hitler? Tormenting humans for all time? For what purpose? To watch them screem in torment? and then to say God is love? Unbelieveable.
---calhoon on 4/19/08


Tom2_Cool, Brother!

Chip_Hell is Empty, Because, Everyone who died w/o Jesus has been Judged (Little books,Book of Life)at that point, So it's Empty!
13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/19/08




Rev.20:
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and HELL delivered UP the dead which were IN them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

14 And death and HELL were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

Chip_The 13th verse SHOWS that the Dead that was IN Hell, was delivered to be Judged out of the Books, THEN HELL & Death IS cast into the Lake of Fire, Thats why it is Empty
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/19/08


well chip I respect your belief.I believe theres is eternal torment.jesus mentioned it nearly 70 times in the new testament.most of which he used the word everlasting torment to describe hell.
---tom2 on 4/19/08


One more time.
Hell is cast into the lake of fire...EMPTY.

People can not be "tormented forever".
---Chip on 4/19/08


ddm,no you didn,t miss a thing.just a follow up,I agree with you completely.
---tom2 on 4/19/08


earl,God doesn,t ressurect the dead to torture them.where did you read me post that?I will tell you that in the old testament God says that every soul is his and that after death it returns to him for jusgement.judgement unto eternal life ,or judgement unto eternal damnation.jesus also spoke of the everlasting torment and fire of hell.over 70 times in the new testament.
---tom2 on 4/19/08




by scripture and the teachings of jesus on the topic of hell ,it is a place of eternal torment and fire.god needs no revenge upon any of us.we choose.eternal life or eternal torment.
---tom2 on 4/19/08


ddm,did you get my reply?I was just reposting about her poison,denying Gods word.nothing to do with you brother.
---tom2 on 4/19/08


Alot of people don't want to give God their time to read and study his word. They expect the Preacher man to do it for them at church time. The bible says for us to study ourselves approved. A person can't learn the ways of God if they don't read and study his word. If a person doesn't do anything for God, then God won't hardly do anything for them. Some people are lazy and they tend to put things before God, and God gets angry with that. I know I'm guilty for doing that at times.
---Rebecca_D on 4/18/08


tom2.Hell is a mithric human concept that makes God's nature appear to inflict fear by a future torture to man.
What is the need of a hell when once a person is dead there is no need to resurect them for torturing?
If God resurects persons to torture then God is seeking revenge .Revenge is a ungodly characteristic.This is not the personality I know my God or my creator-Jesus to have.For hell to exist every mortal and one third of heaven will be resurected and live.
---earl on 4/18/08


Tom2_I never said, you said otherwise,
Am i missing something?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/18/08


ddm,poison within the bible does not exist,my point is and always has been that this poison resides within the hearts and minds of people.to say it is within Gods word to me is a slap in the face.and actually very close to blaspheming the holy spirit.scripture tells us that it is all good.peoples interpretations is what is poison.
---tom2 on 4/18/08


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there has been alot of discussion here but I don,t believe the real issue has been touched on.many don,t read,some do,but even fewer LIVE WHAT THEY READ. thats the real problem today in the church.
---tom2 on 4/18/08


Deb-God is the same yesterday,today and forever. He changes not. God is love. Not, God has love, He IS love. His very nature. We humans cannot comprehend the vastness of God. His ways are above our ways, His thoughts above our thoughts. What you judge as "hate" in the bible sometimes is in fact righteous judgement. Other times its flesh.
---melann on 4/18/08


Tom2, Rev 20:10 KJV "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, to be tormented day and night forever and ever" Now for people Rev 20:15 KJV "And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire" Notice--no "tormented day and night forever and ever"
---Chip on 4/17/08


Tom2, Hell is not burning. Rev 20:13-14 KJV "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it, and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." Notice "hell" is empty before being cast into lake of fire.
---Chip on 4/17/08


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angels,what in the world do angels have to do with the eternal everlasting fire?chip this fire is the wrath of God,it has nodda to do with angels.jesus himself said that the torment and fire would be ETERNAL EVERLASTING AND PREPARED FOR THE workers of iniquity.not sure what bible you are reading but its not the one I know.
---tom2 on 4/17/08


Rob,

I feel your pain. I have tried and tried to have religious discussions with a friend of mine. He will repeat something his pastor said. (His pastor is more of an inspirational speaker than a preacher.) He will quote contemporary songs, or the saying of some philosopher, but never the scriptures. He has no concept of the God of the bible, yet he constantly abuses me on my beliefs which are based on scripture.

Any of the rest of you ever feel this way?
---trey on 4/17/08


Deb, when blind leaders are shouting out lies and leading people to the cliff, we have to resort to shouting over them and telling the people to stop believing liars. It gets messy, and we may look foolish, we may be accused of judging. We only do it in a spirit of concern for those being led over the cliff.
---frances008 on 4/17/08


James 1:26 "If anyone considers himself religious and yet does not keep a tight rein on his tongue, he deceives himself and his religion is worthless."
---deb on 4/17/08


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Tom2, The fire is eternal because angels are eternal. People are not eternal, that is why God protected us from the tree of life(Gen 3:22-24) & put it in heaven(Rev22:2)
---Chip on 4/17/08


Seems some are trying to get away from the fact that many who call themselves Christian do not read or study the Word of GOD with prayer. They would much rather watch TV then commune with GOD.
---Samuel on 4/17/08


Good Job Brothers,
It's good to see you guy's Standing UP for Our Father & His Son Our Lord, Master and Brother's "Truth".
God Bless you for Sounding the Trumpet of Warning to those that would Spread LIES,
This helps SHUT the Mouths(fingers) of the Lost and/or Wiched WHO refuse to be Found...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/17/08


jesus was teaching truth.not an opinion.his parables showed how people were living their lives outside of Gods will and,not making choices and decisions based on this truth.
---tom2 on 4/17/08


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chip,jesus taught in parables yes,which contained a spiritual lesson,yes but the reason was as he explained to his disciples was that only those who would understand the spiritual lesson would hear what he actually was saying.he would prelude with he who has an ear let him hear.now as I have said everlasting ,and eternal fire,or place means hell aint gonna disappeare after the judgement.
---tom2 on 4/17/08


chip,jesus told the goats in matthew to depart from me ye workers of iniquity,into the EVERLASTING place prepared for you.hell doesn,t end after the judgement for the lost it begins.
---tom2 on 4/17/08


and it says and these will go away into eternal fire,and those to eternal life.
---tom2 on 4/17/08


Tom2, Jesus taught in "parable". The spiritual point is the only thing needed. Jesus told us in Revelation that death & hell will be cast into lake of fire. We will be judged together, all souls since the beginning, at one time. No one has been judged yet, no one is tormented / rewarded.
---Chip on 4/17/08


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Deb,
The word says the Lord is a man of war.
Jesus said he always does that which please his Father.
He will not allow his grace to be abused and allow sins his Father was angered by.
He will not save that which his Father would and did destroy.
To overlook that which his Father hated would not be doing that which pleases the Father.
Jesus has all wrath as well as all grace and will use each as they apply.
Grace to those who love him and wrath to the wicked.
Frank
---Frank on 4/16/08


Deb your 'special gift' bothers me. I would liken it to someone who accepts microbe-to-man evolution as fact then comes to Scripture with prejudice, rejecting or changing Scripture to fit with their non-Biblical view. History shows they do a 'hatchet-job' on the Word. Distorting it grossly!

Your interpretations plainly disagree with much of His Word so you must be saying He got it wrong, or was not able to communicate accurately with those whom he chose to bring us His revelation.
---Warwick on 4/16/08


there are some 170 references of hell in the new testament,70 that are directly attribuited,or spoken of by jesus.all of which reference a place of torment and fire,.so are you denying all of them or just certain ones?
---tom2 on 4/16/08


one thing,jesus spoke more about hell than any other topic,and as a place of EVERLASTING torment.in matthew he refers to it as the place prepared for them as everlasting torment and fire.HELL a real place.cause jesus said it was.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


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The God of the O.T. was not a crutch or idea that Abraham invented to comfort himself. He was portrayed as a vengeful, and exacting God who demanded obedience. The reason he demands obedience is because that is the way to eternal life. The devil would like you to see him as a soft forgiving person who puts up with any amount of rebellion. He doesn't. It suits them because they do not want to face what is coming to them because of their wrong decisions, actions, words etc.
---frances008 on 4/16/08


Jesus is the Lion of Judah, and our God is a consuming fire. There is nothing gentle about God when it comes to facing his enemies. You had better ensure you are on the correct side, because the loosers sure are loosers. The reason they want to 'destroy God' in the words of Satanists, is because they know that they only have this life and after that eternal damnation. They can only get their revenge while they live, after that they are finished.
---frances008 on 4/16/08


I believe there is a HELL a place of torment. jesus spoke of it.and many other writers of scripture.if you wish to deny it thats your choice,because God has given all free will.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


chip.if you read a verse or so earlier in revelation it says that the sea AND HELL GAVE UP THEIR DEAD so there is a hell and dead people in it,spiritually dead people being tortured.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


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chip,there are so many scripture references to hell that to deny it is well plainly idiotic. it is described as a place of eternal torture and fire.many times by jesus himself.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


earl I suggest you read revelation 20 11-14 there is a hell with souls in it right now BEING TORTURED. they haven,t experienced the second death yet.which is the lake of fire.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


earl after death you either are in heaven ,or hell.scripture tells us that the judgement is at the great white throne.not after death.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


so to deny this fact is more people choosing to believe something which is in direct conflict with Gods word.there is a hell,where sould are tortured,and have been tortured,and will be tortured,until the second death.what happens after they are cast into the lake of fire I really know not.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


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so though the bible speaks of the second death.you don,t believe it cause its a form of torture, which in your mind Gods does and would not ever do? right?but throwing souls into the lake of fire,whats that to you?as I have said scripture tells us there is a hell,people are sent there because God has judged them.revelation tells us that they will be judged at the great white throne.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


part 17,I will say again GOD JUDGES RIGHTLY, though we make think it torture,or beyond God because, ON MY GOD IS LOVE HE WOULD NEVER EVER TORTURE US.are people who fool themselves.if you live in sin, a life denying jesus,and die,believe me scripture says you are GOING TO HELL.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


well I will tell you what I see.many people don,t read their bible,many people don,t know what they have read when they do read it,and many don,t believe what they read.those pick and choose, as though they are GOD themselves.denying what the prophets and new testament writers have said.no hell,no violence,no this no that.i believe this I believe that. WOW sure sounds like whaT JESUS DESCRIBED IN THE END DAYS.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


Tom2, Parable=fictional story to make a spiritual point. Point was judgement is no respector of person. Rev 20:14, death & hell cast into lake of fire. This is the second death.
---Chip on 4/16/08


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so the rich man burning in hell is just ?jesus taught this parable.telling of the rich man begging abraham to tell his bretheren so they might escape.you don,t believe this?I believe in an eternal hell JESUS TAUGHT THAT IT IS SO.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


tom2.A burning hell is an act of torture.
There is no book of the living dead.
One cannot experience pain of torture if they are not alive.
There is a book of life.
One can experience living when they are among the living for they are listed in the book of life.
There is the book of life -nothing else.
---earl on 4/16/08


tom2.Judgement soon comes after a person dies,not before and thereafter the book of life is read .Who is not found in it is not alive as the book of life records only the living not the dead.
Revelation is just that revelation-new truth.
Jesus revealed his Father is most unlike those in the past have wrote him out to be.
I write that there is no evil in good.Jesus demonstrated what the good of God really is not what history has made God to be.
---earl on 4/16/08


Deb I think you have violence and justice confused.

God says the wages of sin is death, and Jesus came to die a violent death at the hands of men,nonetheless paying God's penalty for sin, death.

Isn't it true that we have not therefore been pardoned by God's grace but totally forgiven because Jesus satisfied justice, by paying God's price?

Jesus was no victim but willingly submitted Himself to His own violent penalty, for us.

Praise Him for that!
---Warwick on 4/16/08


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I do not exalt myself. I did not ask for this gift, nor do I deserve it. I was not told to share what I've been told. I am happy to know that God is completely perfect, and there is no room for hate in complete love. I thought if someone else had been given this gift, I would want to know it too. I thought it would be selfish to keep it to myself. Since it seems that the opposite is true, I won't stay and upset you. I wish you all wonderful lives. Peace.
---deb on 4/16/08


I agree that Gods nature is not violent,its his judgements that may seem so,but as jesus said dont be fooled for whatsoever a man sows that shall he also reap.God must judge rightly.do you believe the lake of fire is a violent reward for a life lived without knowing God?or a just reward for a life lived lost in the world?
---tom2 on 4/16/08


when moses came back down with the ten commandments and as per Gods instuctions was told the people were sinning. then gave them a choice, and the ones that chose not to follow god were destroyed,was this an act of violence? or judgement?or is this one of those lies in the bible?
---tom2 on 4/16/08


Pehaps "Deb" has not read Jeremiah. Ever wonder why Jeremiah was pulling his hair out?
---Dr.Rich on 4/16/08


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earl,God knew man could not keep the law.aka the old testament.so he sent his son to die so that he could live in our hearts.you and deb and others are calling Gods sovereign judgements acts of violence.was the destruction of sodom an act of violence?or judgement?was the great flood an act of violence? or judgement?there are many other judgements by God which people deny he did.
---tom2 on 4/16/08


Either they have poor habits of getting alone with the Word and God,they don't know how,make the time,or the worse thought,they are too lazy to take the time. Probably the same people don't take much prayer time and/or praise and worship time alone with God. If they don't know how,they can learn,they can make time,get up earlier,if lazy then overcome by the power of Jesus, pray to change. If you see it in someone,you pray for them too,they need all the help they can get.
---Darlene_1 on 4/16/08


The Devil always tries to get rid of the Bible because it tells who he is and what he is up to.
---Samuel on 4/16/08


After reading deb's posts there may be many topics which I may disagree with deb but deb saying that God is not violent is a true statement.
Did not Jesus ,in his revelation of his Father,God reveal he is a God and Father of loving kindness and not a God and Father of war the OT makes him to be.
If God's good nature was thoroughly understood in the OT then there was no need for Jesus to reveal his revelation of his Father,God.
Why the NT if the OT was complete?
---earl on 4/16/08


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God will destroy rebellious people. Sometimes the innocent die because of their parents. It happens. Death is not the end. For some people an earlier death would have saved their souls. That is why Jesus said about the millstone tied around the neck and thrown into the pond being better than teaching others false teachings. So we had better be careful what we accept as true and pass on.
---frances008 on 4/16/08


Deb, I doubt if there is anyone here who, at times, doesn't find something in the bible either confusing or seemingly contradictory. If, every time this happened, we decided that the bible had been altered and lies put in their place how can we have faith in ANY of it? You say that God has told you verbally all these things. Can you explain why He has told ONLY you? Is there a possibility in your mind at all that it is NOT God who is speaking verbally to you?
---RitaH on 4/16/08


Many want the easiest way, but life has taught me that things which come easy usually are not appreciated nor lasting. I love digging deep in the Word, researching, and meditating upon the passages. Life is in the words, the Holy Spirit, and I hunger and thirst for the Word. As the Shepherd feeds his lamb he feeds me and I am filled to overflowing, and I hunger and thirst after his Word, and he leads me and shows me the deep things from God. Most precious and unspeakable this glory of God.
---Eloy on 4/15/08


oh deb I forgot about the great white throme judgement where GOD personally audibily judges.and then tosses into the lake of fire souls .or does an angel do it?or are they exempt also?or does God have satan do it then jump in himself last?
---tom2 on 4/15/08


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Deb,
Maybe you haven't read yet but when the pharisees said that Jesus' miracles and the words he spake were of the devil he said that blasphemy of the Holy Ghost would not be forgiven either in this world or the one to come.
Please reconsider what spirit you are listening to. The spoken word will never disagree with the written word.
Proverbs says every word of God is true and his word never changes.
The devil and man change it.

Frank
---Frank on 4/15/08


Deb-God who is omnipotent, omnipresent and ALL powerful has the ability to ensure that HIS word endures to ALL generations. You "thinking" it is not HIS word or that some of it is a lie, doesn't change the truth. Just like people who don't believe God exists doesn't change the fact that HE does. You are being deceived.
---melann on 4/16/08


deb you are SO FAR OUT THERE.maybe you should rewrite the bible.you have it,s original author at hand ,daily for reference.
---tom2 on 4/15/08


WOW,EVER CONSIDER CHANGING YOUR NAME TO MOSES?
---tom2 on 4/15/08


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deb,the drowing of pharohs army a lie?all of joshuas total destruction of many cities and entire races of people?the great flood,just to name a few.all violent acts LIES.? come on girl tell us.use your rare gift.
---tom2 on 4/15/08


God never called it poison you did.so he told you there are false statements about him within the bible,and has told you AUBUBILY to expose them AUDUBILY TO ? because for centuried we have been mislead by the jews,hebrews,israleits,about Gods actions on their behalf?
---tom2 on 4/15/08


deb,be speCific EXACTLY WHAT VIOLENCE WITHIN THE BIBLE HAS GOD AUDIBILY TOLD YOU HE DIDN,T DO?.
---tom2 on 4/15/08


deb,be speCific EXACTLY WHAT VIOLENCE WITHIN THE BIBLE HAS GOD AUDIBILY TOLD YOU HE DIDN,T DO?.
---tom2 on 4/15/08


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Tom, I'm trying a 3rd time to get through. Please read this post in its entirety. God has told me that violence is not of God. I called the lies that have infiltrated the Holy Bible poison. God did NOT. God NEVER speaks negatively. I repeat, NEVER. If you choose to misinterpret what I've written, I can't do anything about that.

Best wishes to you.
---deb on 4/15/08


hey deb,you are the one who stated GOD TOLD ME BY MY RARE GIFT that all the wrath is poison,I (meaning God) told you so.that he don,t kill,people,or hasn,t,but thats a lie PERIOD.AND ACTUALLY THE BIBLE we have today is the same one that has all of Gods judgements(you call them acts of satan)that was used even before jesus,meaning the old testament.
---tom2 on 4/15/08


to ignore Gods justice,his sovereign right to be God and destroy,as he has done many times ,and then attribute these acts to satan is dangerously close to the one sin that God says ,or jesus said God will never pardon.
---tom2 on 4/15/08


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