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Are Churches Today Vile

Do you consider the following statement to be true? "Nearly all so-called "Christian" churches today are so vile that no true Christian could attend one. It has never been like this before." This statement was taken from one of the major Christian contributors on the Internet.

Moderator - Yes, it is getting that way. I view going to church as a huge mission field.

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Many will be misled because of modern preaching and because of modern versions of scripture and also the false teachings that have always existed (the "STRONG delusion" has ALWAYS existed for EVERYONE who has no 'heart and soul'). The young will be misled UNLESS they are taught to LOVE GOD by those who understand love best (women). That may seem a strange statement, but the person at the well recognized "Messiah" easily and desired "LIVING water" (John 7:38, Rev. 7:16).
---greg on 4/21/08

Greg, there is a mega church up by us that
has a book store and a cafe. Just when you think you have seen it all! Have you heard
about the ATM-like "Giving Kiosks" that are
going up in some churches. It is getting increasingly difficult to differentiate the
"church" from the outside world. Remember
what Jesus did with the moneychangers!
---truthseeker on 4/21/08

Some institutions (church buildings) today have VIDEO GAME ROOMS in them. One megachurch I read about has a McDonalds franchise in it. As this economic crisis worsens, you'll realize how much man's institutional churchES (the real church has no plural) depend on MONEY666.

Your first ministry is your family (they should be well fed), not man's institutions. Having a worship group in your home with TRUSTED FRIENDS is how the first century church worshipped.
---greg on 4/17/08

Get all the heathens out and perhaps God's people will attend.>>>"Have no communion with unbelievers". In church you may be sitting right next to Satan.
---catherine on 4/17/08

Large percentage of people attend mega churches these days. They remain anonymous and never fellowship with ohers. Give their offerings and maybe, tithes. Worship for an hour or so and go home. This is their christian duty for the week. Do not hold any positions in the church and are largely ignored for the most part. Sounds familiar?
---Robyn on 4/15/08

No,I don't think the majority are bad but some certainly are and some are dead.The ministers have no or little anointing.A person needs to search for the right church as you do the right life mate.Just because grandpa liked it isn't good enough.We need to have live companions in Christ although the internet is good.
---shirley on 4/14/08

should churches be perfwect??? if they were when I entered i would defile it as i am a sinner, saved by grace YES,but still a sinner daily needing forgiveness.I have yet to enter a VILE church and doubt if they preach the true gospel they exist.those that preach this suffer from spiritual pride and for that will be judged.We are NOT to consider ourselves better than other christians we are ALL sinners but in a church preaching truth the Holy spirit will be there howCAN that be vile?
---doree4573 on 4/14/08

There are some great replies here. If you don't believe a church is 'vile', please tell us about this church! Matt. 25 states that the KOH will be LIKENED to 10 virgins (not the church/bride) at the time of the end. Jesus also said one must belong to the KOH to be saved. So, who is it that represents the KOH today?
---Dr.Rich on 4/14/08

"going to church..."

It sounds like you are going somewhere.

Jesus is not returning to marry a building or a denomination or a non-profit organization. He is coming back to join with, marry, His people. We are the church. Christians are the church. Not some building you go to. This is one false doctrine that has weaved itself throughout the world for two thousand years.
---Steveng on 4/13/08


What most people would consider to be churches I consider to be entertainment clubs. What some would define as churches I would define as cults.

What I would define as the Church is the bride of Christ, and she is not vile in any form. She is also the church I attend.
---trey on 4/12/08

I pulled the "tree trunk" From my eyes
along time ago, I can clearly see what is Good and what is Evil.
If I WARN my children "Don't touch that OR IT WILL Burn You"!
Am I judging them?
There are Consiquences for things WE do, JUST because I/We warn you, DON'T mean I have my finger in your face Judging YOU!
I don't say anything that can't or won't be Justified by God.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/11/08

Very similar to a pyramid type of business. Pay your 10% tithe, promises are made that you will get it all back and then some. It's like attaching your money to a string, putting in the offering plate and jerking it back into your pocket.

Being a giver, giving out of your heart without expectation that your church is a tax exempt banking system. Unfaithful shepherds that are in it for the money will desert their flocks when the exempt status is gone.
---Monique on 4/11/08

God's Word is very balanced.

Example: Incorporating OT Law, mixing OT with New Covenant. Asking or demanding that congregation pay 10% tithes, paying tithes to get something back vs. being a giver.

Many churches make a demand that you tithe 10% so you can get back your 100% fold return. It's a business, corporation with tax exempt status. But that will change.
---Monique on 4/11/08

---Robyn I believe your last post, confuses denominational churches with the true church of The Lord Jesus Christ. However, you can find comfort in the knowledge that yours is the normal accepted way of thinking.
---Mima on 4/11/08

Yes..I do lean toward that conclusion. But attend we must. The church is the bride of Christ and we are admonish to attend church. The gates of Hell will not prevail against it. Jesus is the cornerstone and we(christians) are the lively stones growing into a holy temple. The church will endure.Satan will be defeated. Praise Jesus!
---Robyn on 4/11/08

D.D Martin::There is an old saying "watch the stain on your back before talking about someone elses stain."Its like the mote in the eye.After all is said and Done YOU will be answerable for your Transgressions against God ,all alone No defence and you cannot say what some one else Did .Here on earth its called Hearsay evidence "Not admissible"in short we are accountable for OURSELVES.
---Emcee on 4/11/08

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Yahoo A. Hitler & the RCC,
Then you tell me!
Google pediphile Preachers and you tell me!
Look whats going on with the Mormans &
The Rich Baptist!
This is HARDLY The Bride of Jesus!
You better wake-up or you'll miss the Boat...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/10/08

at the writing of revelation some 50,or 60 years after jesus resurrection there are only 2 of seven churches spoken of by the lord as still folloeing their first love,aka him.that is 40 percent,that percentage sadly has decreased steadily. as i said i cant find one that still does.
---tom2 on 4/9/08

mima,in thelast 10 years or so I have been attending,or have attended some 8 different churches.I must say that not only members have vile sins within their lives,but the pastors and members tolerate as a consequence I have separated my self from attending any church.saw an article on internet the other day,missing pastor from new york,found in ohio strip bar,need i say more.
---tom2 on 4/9/08

Catherine, I am aghast at that HERESY!!!

Please cite your source, chapter and verse, or else repent here, publicly of it.
---john_t on 3/22/08

Where is the retraction???
---John_T on 4/7/08

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Two observations related.
You get out of it what you put in. Church that is. Why do you go? To get or give?

"Church" is not about being fed, or refreashed or whatever. It is about worship and praise. Get out of self and into God. It is all about Him, not you. Evangelism is not church, bible study is not church, doing good is not church. All important and essential. Church is a glorification of God thru song, testimony, praise, and sacrifice.
---dan on 4/6/08

I was horrified when I read this statememt but come to think of it your SO right. I was horrified when I noticed the children had to pay foe sweets/beverages, pay for tea/coffee as a member,pay for concerts,pay for musicians to play at your wedding,as a matter of fact pay for any services in general. I'm not agaist paying I'm amazed that the world gives out benifits you pay taxes, in church you should give in abundance to the effect of giving not compete with the world.
---Carla5754 on 3/30/08

when you give you get interest double time children like to recieve and will actually tell their friends about how good it is, does that ring any bells, little souls bring big souls when you have appreciations days,concerts,easter,christmas etc so why charge them for the privillages!
---Carla5754 on 3/30/08

"While the Bible teaches that Jesus can forgive, He seldom does."

Idle words. Words that make a lot of noise (kind of like a clanging cymbal) but never propel anyone upward or forward.

I fear, Catherine, with what you are sowing by saying that Jesus seldom forgives, you will reap a day when you will pray that it isn't true.
---Linda on 3/28/08

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The truth is that He has already forgiven, even reconciled all to God by His death. If forgiveness were not already on the account, Jesus would have to come die again every time someone believed.
---Linda on 3/28/08

I thank the moderator for that opinion and hope many people open their eyes also. It is truly sad that so many are (and have been) misled. The NKJV and contemporary bibles (gender free, hate free, multicultural, etc.) are gross distortions (I use the RSV, no text is discreprancy free). We should "HEAR His voice", John 10:27) and "walk by the SPIRIT" (Galatians 5:16 and 25). We read "the WORD OF TRUTH" (2 Timothy 2:15, Ephesians 1:13, John 14:6).
---greg on 3/23/08

There have been many "hirelings" (John 10:13) who have not taken care that we "enter by the door" (John 10:1) or told us that the word of truth is only the introductory doctrine of Christ (Hebrews 6:1) so that we could truly move on to a more mature relationship of intimacy with God by discovering the "depths of God (1 Corinthians 2:10) and also have our conscience purified by God's eternal spirit (Hebrews 9:14) or learn to have "living waters" (John 7:38, REV. 7:16).
---greg on 3/23/08

The "living water" (mixed with Christ's blood at the cross) are the 'tears of sorrow' compassion that Jesus taught in His sermon on the Mount.

We have decided to embrace the doctrine of "self abasement" (self abaTement, Colossians 2:18, 23) and abandon SELF so that God cannot have a personal relationship with US. We receive a strong delusion "according" (properly translated word in the KJV, Ezekiel 14-8) to the doctrines of our own heart.
---greg on 3/23/08

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The 'identity crisis of Christianity' is all encompassing and keeps us from PERSONally identifying with and relating to reality, people, truth, etc., but also prevents SELF discipline/repentance,AND conscience (the tree eaten of in the Garden of Eden and the knowledge we need to learn properly, Hebrews 5:14), but it is most important in our relationship TO "I am who I am" ("in my inmost SELF", Romans 7:22).
---greg on 3/23/08


While the Bible teaches that Jesus can forgive, He seldom does.

Catherine, I am aghast at that HERESY!!!

Please cite your source, chapter and verse, or else repent here, publicly of it.
---john_t on 3/22/08

Yes, sadly this is very true. Perhaps Satan got to the first church by pretending to be the Holy Spirit on the day of Pentacost? A compelling study on this is found in the book called "THE SPIRIT OF THE CHURCH" by Neufeld and Sterlling. It would answer the question as to why there are so many questions in this blog and why all the confusion. After all, didn't Jesus want unity for His Kingdom?
---Dr._Rich on 3/10/08

The church is the community of all true believers for all time. [of all those who are truly saved]. Paul says, "Christ loved the church and gave Himself up, for her" Now, This is the good news. [Eph. 5:25] This is the truth. The church is used to apply to all those whom Christ died to redeem, ALL THOSE WHO ARE SAVED BY THE DEATH OF CHRIST. Both believers in the New and Old Testament age as well.
---catherine on 3/10/08

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I feel sorry for you, I don't want to stand next to you in a thunder storm.Forsake not the assembling of your selves together as the manner of some is but even more so as you see the day approaching.
---Robert on 3/9/08

She's a glorious bride, without spot or blemish.

There is only one church....just one. Not churches. So when you call it vile and a place where unbelievers and false preachers and teachers gather, include yourself whether you actually make your way to a building or not. The people are the church and God's vision of her is far above what you see. I choose to share His vision and call those things that be not as though they were. I fully expect prophetic manifestation from that declaration.
---Linda on 3/8/08

Well, to each his own. But I view church as a place where unbelievers gather. And where false preachers and teachers gather. And I do not to wish gather among these people. Or support these people.
---catherine on 3/7/08

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These idiotic book releases by mega church preaches about 10 easy steps of how to have a great life. Those books shouldnt be read they should be at the bottom of the bird cage. Pardon my abrasive blog but its true
---rosalie on 3/6/08

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There are people who belong to Jesus, and have always belonged to Jesus and there are others who belong to the devil and were not given to Jesus. Jesus rejected certain people who approached him. That is why Jesus says of some people 'Leave them alone'. Because it is pointless trying to persuade them to change allegiance. Only God can allow them to be awakened spiritually, they are otherwise dead. What they do when they are dead spiritually can be catastrophic for many other people.
---frances008 on 3/6/08

Catherine: If you say that Jesus seldom forgives, then that would mean that the backsliders has no hope at all. How can you say that Jesus seldom forgives? I backslide on the Lord years ago and if he hadn't given me a second chance, I'd be on my way to hell right now. For you to say that Jesus seldom forgives, gives sinners and backsliders no hope at all. Be careful what you say, for your words could curse someone's walk with God.
---Rebecca_D on 3/6/08

"Jesus seldom forgives"
---alan_of_UK on 3/6/08


You say "While the Bible teaches that Jesus can forgive, He seldom does".

How can you possibly know this? Do you have some special "in" with Jesus?

And even worse, how can you possibly believe this? If Jesus seldom forgives, then most of us are damned. What kind of "Good news" would THAT be?
---StrongAxe on 3/6/08

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.phil, God is holy, and he Commands obedience and holiness which is a very rare comodity found in today's "anything goes" churches. The apostate body is no part of Christ's body. "Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in your name? and in your name have cast out demons? and in your name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess to them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: Depart from me, you all that work sinuousness." Matthew 7:22,23.
---Eloy on 3/6/08

I agree with the Moderator. A lot of unsaved people think that Church going will save them. Others go merely to socialize. I was guilty of this too, so I know. Then I realized that the people I was socializing with, were not all Christians. I had always felt very uncomfortable with some things I saw going on at Church and so I gradually stopped going. It is better if you can go and evangelize for Christ. I found a safer way to evangelize. There is no place anywhere that you cannot evangelize.
---frances008 on 3/5/08

first of all you got to define church.there is no such thing as going to church. according to GOD his church is every true born again spirit filled person." know ye not that ye are the temple of GOD. and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?" ( 1cor 3:16 )
"What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you,which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?" (1 cor 6:19 )
---jerry on 3/5/08

I would venture to say the the status of of mainline protestant churches in in presenting the Gospel is better then it has ever been. And and all this dubious contentions about most of the church being apostate are lies spread by incompetents who are envious outstanding track record of the mainline protestant denominations.
---Phil_the_Elder on 3/5/08

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To---Jew-D If this statement"Salvation is more than a simple prayer, it is a lifestyle of repentance and faithfulness-many neglect this." Is correct that eliminates death bed conversions. Such is the thief on the cross. He certainly did have a lifestyle of repentance and faithfulness.
---Mima on 3/5/08

Falling away! While the Bible teaches that Jesus can forgive, He seldom does. Let me explain. Falling away>>> you are stumping all over the cross and the Blood of Jesus Christ. While Jesus can forgive, He seldom does. It is best not to fall away. Danger lies ahead for anyone who is guilty.
---catherine on 3/5/08

It is plain that many churches have fallen away from the gospel, and many need to repent. The first place to start is to reestablish the "Holy" Bible, that is nothing after 1611 A.D. preached from the pulpit, nor permitted in the pews. But becasue many churches have lost their way does not mean that all churches have lost their way. There are still some good churches ministering the uncompromised gospel of Jesus Christ, just not very many left.
---Eloy on 3/5/08

my reply would be,yes inside comment would be the church is actually born again,jesus believing,following,livingtheir lives,disciples.the church is not any building,it,s people living their lives as jesus taught.
---tom2 on 3/5/08

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Salvation is more than a simple prayer, it is a lifestyle of repentance and faithfulness-many neglect this. The true church should be preparing people to be faithful to G-d and to withstand temptation and the massive tribualtion that is to come against ALL who claim the name of Yeshua (jesus).Purposely driving people to worldly prosperity for their best life now is completely neglecting this and turning people to selfishness not righteousness.
---Jew-D on 3/4/08

This is especially true of pop-evangelicals who teach holy prosperity and a pre-trib rapture.
---Jack on 3/4/08

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!
---shirley on 3/4/08

Whoever made this comment has never been to the church we attend or to several we have visited. There are a few authentic Christian churches around today. They are lifting up Jesus' name and spreading the gospel to a lost and dying world. But, there are many more who are nothing more than social clubs with big programs to attract large numbers of people. Blame this trend on books like Purpose Driven Church which are written to increase numbers, but not necessarily salvations.
---Susie on 3/4/08

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