nicodems was told you must be born again of water (natural birth) and spirit new birthBaptism of the holy spirit jas nothing to do with being born again that may or masy not ciome laterand by the way i have known many non spirit baptisedvwih a greater and deeper understansding og God than the spirit baptised Repentance needful fornew birtyh |
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---doree4573 on 4/14/08 |
I have yet to see someone who has been 'Born of the Spirit". This would mean that you would be a brother/sister to Jesus Christ Himself. (Rev.12:17) |
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---Dr.Rich on 4/14/08 |
We pray TO (talk AT) God, forgetting to INTERACT WITH (conversations HEAR) God. We let others teach us, but HE is the good teacher (He is a jealous God). He wants a PERSONal relationship with the real "us". There should be NO "self abasement" (no self abandonment, Colossians 2:18 and 23) and we should not hide our idiosyncracies, mistakes, shortcomings, attitudes from "I am who I am" (Exodus 3:14). His spirit yearns jealously (James 4:5). |
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---greg on 4/14/08 |
Unbelievers should fear not having God in their lives (it is the BEGINNING of wisdom), but once we come to know God, our love should be made PERFECT and there be no more fear (1 John 4:18, Isaiah 29:13), but we should know God as "friend" like Abraham. Everyone INSIDE The Body of Christ will learn to know God in truth and spirit, but those "OUTSIDE" will obsess and lose themselves in PARABLES (Mark 4:11). |
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---greg on 4/14/08 |
Each person's faith/devotion/relationship is their own and is not to be judged/monitored by anyone (Romans 14:22, 1 Corinthians 15:28) and must be dependent on CONSCIENCE (1 Timothy 1:19) so that their goodness not be by compulsion (from a book), but of their own conscience (Philemon verse 14), for that is what the SWORD is, the clear division/distinction between good and evil/wrong (Hebrews 5:14) so that the change from good to evil/wrong is clear and abrupt (no middle ground, James 1:17). |
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---greg on 4/14/08 |
"Living Water" baptism (John 7:38) means that your conscience is daily purified by God's spirit (Hebrews 9:14) and that you learn to "WALK BY THE SPIRIT" (Galatians 5:16 and 25) because you seek a "MORE EXCELLENT WAY" (1 Corinthians 12:31) so that you "neither thirst" (Revelation 6:17) and "ENTER BY THE DOOR" (John 10:1). You must be "transformed by the renewal of your MIND" (Romans 12:2). |
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---greg on 4/14/08 |
You must always seek the absolute/objective truth (2 Thessalonians 2:10) in what is your own business and "live quietly" (not bothering others, 1 Thessalonians 4:11). You must desire the "BETTER things that belong TO salvation" (Hebrews 6:9) and the "DEPTHS of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10) because we only read the "word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15, Ephesians 1:13, John 14:6) which is the INTRODUCTORY doctrine of Jesus (Hebrews 6:1). |
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---greg on 4/14/08 |
We should "HEAR" (John 10:27) the word of God that we each are to LIVE BY ("sword of the spirit", Ephesians 6:17). We must have the PRESENT heaven in our hearts (Rev.21:1, NEW HEAVEN). We must live according to the "LAW OF LIBERTY" (James 1:25 and 2:12) because the 'sin laws' were abolished (Ephesians 2:15). We were never taught this because the "strong delusion" was always present and self imposed by the insincere minds of humanity. |
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---greg on 4/14/08 |
What the son of God did on the cross was completely sufficient that ALL flesh should have salvation AVAILABLE to them (Luke 3:6) and HE is our foundation (the cornerstone). We should accept what He did on the cross as being completely sufficient instead of laying a foundation of our own (rejecting the cornerstone) with works/deeds of self accomplishment and scholarly ego (Hebrews chap. 6). The Lord's judgement is always just. He will not be UNJUST and overlook this apostasy done to glorify His 'Body'. |
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---greg on 4/14/08 |
The true brethren in Christ ("the saints") are our 'kin', but we should SHOW no partiality to them (James 2:1 and 2:9) over unbelievers (no special treatment). True brethren will not burden us unreasonably. No one is justified by works of the law. We are justified by our faith in the works that God did (Galatians 2:16, 2:19, John 6:28, 6:29). We are justified IN CHRIST by having a truly peaceful and contrite heart and mind. His spirit is the GUARANTEE (Ephesians 1:14). |
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---greg on 4/14/08 |
#1. Mark V: Read in Luke 11:21-26. The unclean spirit that was in this person, left and the Holy Ghost aboded there. He walked through dry places, wanting to come back into the house. When that person was weak in the spirit or a babe in Christ, he left his guard down leaving a crack for the unclean spirit to come in. When he found the house empty (the Holy Spirit left) because an unclean spirit came in, here came 7 of his buddies to live in that house making that man worse than he was in the beginning. |
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---Rebecca_D on 4/11/08 |
#2. Mark V: So I found you those verses, and here are more. The people that has left God and went back into sin. They are no longer a child of God, but backsliders. Just because they may have gotten saved umteen years ago but if they backslide on God they have lost their first love, and they must repent and do their first works over or they won't enter in God's kingdom. The just shall live by faith, if any man draws back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him Heb 10:38-39 |
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---Rebecca_D on 4/11/08 |
#3. Mark V: When a person first becomes a Christian, a born again believer, the Holy Spirit is abiding in them. when one turns from God and slowly drifts from God and turns to his old ways, God's spirit finds no pleasure in that, so he leaves. He is still around him, because Christ promised he'd never leave us nor forsake us. But Christ can't live in a person who turns back to their old ways/sin. So he leaves then the unclean spirit comes in. Christ leaves because that person was slowly rejecting Christ. |
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---Rebecca_D on 4/11/08 |
#4. Mark V: God writes the righteous people's names down in the book of Life. He didn't write it in permanent marker. Because he has said that he can blot out/erase the names if one becomes a backslider. In the end the ones that has overcame everything (born again Christians) that Satan threw at them, they are the ones that shall be clothed in white raiment and will not have their name be blotted out. There will many names that will be blotted out by God. |
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---Rebecca_D on 4/11/08 |
Good Job Ladies!
You make a Father(God)Proud & the Angels of Heaven sing Praises unto him.
Thanks for keeping it Real.
God Bless You...
I really mean that,NOT just words from my Mouth(fingers),But from my Heart! |
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---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/11/08 |
Rebecca, can you show just one passage that says, that if a person sins the Holy Spirit who sealed him will leave him? I am sure you will never find one. We are called to be obedient, but rejection of Christ is what really condemns them. They are under the Covenant of works and need to come to the covenant of grace, which consist of faith and when we believer by faith in the blood of Christ and His works on the Cross, we are fogiven and sealed by the Spirit and sustain by Jesus Christ. |
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---Mark_V. on 4/11/08 |
#1. Mark V: A person is not always baptized by the Holy Ghost when first saved. In the bible Paul came across some people who were Christians and was baptized with water but have never heard of the Holy Ghost. Then Paul baptized them and laid hands on them and then they were baptized by the Holy Ghost and began to speak in tongues. So that proves that a person isn't always baptized by the Holy Ghost when first saved. |
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---Rebecca_D on 4/11/08 |
#2. Mark V: Jesus has to draw a person to him before they can become saved. Then that person calls on him to be saved and they are. If they do not abide in Christ and Christ in them always, and slowly drifts back into sin, the Holy Spirit will leave. Then unclean spirits come in, making that person meaner than they were before. To come back to Christ, Christ has to draw them back to him. Starting a new relationship with Christ. |
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---Rebecca_D on 4/11/08 |
Mima it is scriptural for a sinner to pray for forgiveness and to be saved but it is a shame that so many people talk about 'the' sinners prayer as if it were the title of a specially written prayer which must be recited to be saved. When anyone 'calls upon the name of the Lord' it is better if it is in their own words - from the heart. It is just too easy to recite what someone else says or read it from a pamphlet and is not always genuine. |
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---RitaH on 4/11/08 |
Acts 8:
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same scripture, and preached unto him Jesus.
36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water, what doth hinder me to be baptized?
37 And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both into the water, |
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---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/11/08 |
---Donna I'm very sorry to be late in answering you. The sinner's prayer is an answer to the Scriptures, three-time saying," whosoever shall call upon the name the Lord shall saved." The power to be a witness does not come up on anyone until after the Holy Ghost has come upon them. |
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---Mima on 4/11/08 |
Donna I am mima Penpals 3783. If you send me a message, including your phone number, and when to call. I will call you and prove to you from the Bible that your saved. Should you be in doubt. |
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---Mima on 4/11/08 |
Rebecca, you say two things, and only one is right. You are bapized into the Holy Spirit at converson. You become one body in Christ. Just once. If a person does not feel the conviction of the Spirit when they sin, they are not saved at all. Once the Spirit recides in a person he is sealed, and his flesh is challenge over and over to leave sin all through his life and that is called sanctification. The Holy Spirit nevers leaves the child of God. |
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---Mark_V. on 3/30/08 |
To be saved you must be born of water and of the Spirit. To be baptized in the Spirit is the same as being born of the Spirit and you know because you speak in tongues |
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---chria9699 on 3/27/08 |
Donna: Being filled with the Holy Ghost happens at conversion, sometimes a person is baptized by the Holy Ghost at conversion but not always. One can be filled with the Holy Ghost and still haven't been baptized by the Holy Ghost. Your friend may have been filled with the Holy Ghost but she wasn't baptized by the Holy Ghost because she wouldn't want to live in sin. And the Holy Ghost will be there to convict her of her sins. Other words, she has backslid. The Holy Ghost left. |
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---Rebecca_D on 3/24/08 |
If you are filled with the Holy Ghost, then somehow you were Baptized by the Holy Ghost, that's what the infilling is. I'm so glad we are having this discussion because I got confused because everyone was saying the evidence of the HS is speaking in tongues. Then my friend told me she had the HS and yet she is living in sin, so I thought "how could she not be convicted of this sin?" Jesus said apart from me, you can do nothing, does that mean you can't repent apart from Him either? |
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---Donna on 3/7/08 |
Mima, you are correct. However, only the King James Version says it that way. I checked every version on line and they all say it the other way, you will receive power when the HS comes upon you.
KJV: You shall receive power, AFTER THAT the HG comes upon you. So where does this power come from if you get it BEFORE you receive the Holy Ghost? Please help me understand this Mima, thank you. |
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---Donna on 3/7/08 |
The ability to repent is not evidence that one is baptized by the Holy Ghost. All Christians have the ability to repent, and while most have not been baptized by the Holy Ghost. I am filled with the Holy Ghost but have yet to be baptized by the Holy Ghost and fire. Just because one calls upon God that doesn't mean they become saved. Without the conviction (drawing one's heart) from God, they can't become saved. This is not adding to scripture, this is from the bible. |
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---Rebecca_D on 3/6/08 |
This statement"Jesus said, you shall receive power when the Holy Ghost comes upon you. Power to do what? Speak in tongues? Yes, but that's not all. Power to heal the sick, raise the dead, power to forgive your enemies." Is Maybe a little misleading. Jesus actually said," But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth." No adding. |
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---Mima on 3/6/08 |
This statement"...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus" from Romans 10: 9-13 is the reason my very first words in a sinners prayer that I lead people in begins with the words Lord Jesus. You might be surprised at how many people refuse to call Jesus Lord! |
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---Mima on 3/6/08 |
1) Romans 10:9-13
...that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart one believes unto righteousness and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For the Scripture says "Whoever believes on Him will not be put to shame." |
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---Holly4jc on 3/6/08 |
2) For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For "whoever calls on the name of the LORD shall be saved." |
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---Holly4jc on 3/6/08 |
Jesus said, you shall receive power when the Holy Ghost comes upon you. Power to do what? Speak in tongues? Yes, but that's not all. Power to heal the sick, raise the dead, power to forgive your enemies. There are 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit, tongues is just one of them. Recently I asked the Lord what is the evidence that someone has the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit revealed Repentence, the ability to repent is evidence one has the Baptism of the Holy Spirit. |
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---Donna on 3/6/08 |
If there was such a thing as "The Sinners Prayer" writtten out for you in text, God would no more listen to you than you would an automated phone message...don't ya' think? HOWEVER, if you can come to grips with all of the trash in YOUR life and confess it all, even those forgotten, you would find the best kept secret... Jesus Christ taking up residence in your body. You would be filled with the Holy Spirit, God's person, and your life... HE WILL CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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---Greely on 3/6/08 |
You are born again when met with the truth of your own depravity through the perfect sinless life of Jesus Christ and have fallen to this truth surrendering your entire kingdom of lies to God in exchange for his forgiveness and truth.
Being born again in the likeness of God is to receive his love in your heart, to have that love sealed in you by his Spirit, looking past the sin to redeem the unredeemable.
The nature of Jesus is that of a redeemer, not an accuser. The Spirit is POWERFUL and constant. |
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---Pharisee on 3/6/08 |
Everything that you mentioned is false. You wait on God to come along and save you. You will know. And you will understand instantly what it means to be born-again. |
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---catherine on 3/6/08 |
Being born-again is when the soul is born of Christ. And saying the Sinner's Prayer is part of becoming born again. The Sinner's Prayer is found in Psalm 32:3-5+ Psalm 51. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is not the same thing as becoming a born-again Christian. The Holy Spirit can be poured out upon all flesh, and also resurrect the dead, but not all flesh will accept Christ. |
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---Eloy on 3/6/08 |
"Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do? Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." Acts 2:37-38 Born again has 3 parts: repentance, baptism in the name of the Father, Son and the Holy Spirit (Mat28:19), receiving the Holy Spirit. |
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---Elena on 3/5/08 |
When one converts over to Christ (saved), they are born again. There is no sinner's prayer. A person must be under conviction from God first before they can ask for forgiveness. Then the prayer comes from the heart. Baptism of the Holy Ghost sometimes doesn't happen at conversion. Baptism of the Holy Ghost is speaking in tongues. This is true according to the bible, so please no arguments. |
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---Rebecca_D on 3/5/08 |
Baptism of the Holy Spirit to understand "spiritual concepts"?
If you are not born again, then you do not have the Holy Spirit. If you do not have the Holy Spirit, then you would not understand that the Holy Spirit is a Person and not a spiritual concept, thing, atmosphere, mode of operation - cloud, fire, water, wood, wind, earth thing as the happy campers around the campfire are sharing with you. |
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---Cindy on 3/5/08 |
What does it mean to be a born again Christian?The passage from the Bible that answers this question is John3:1-21."born again"literally means"born from above"."New birth,being born again,is an act of God whereby eternal life is imparted to the person who believes (2Corinthians5:17,Titus3:5,1Peter1:3,1John 2:29,3:9,4:7,5:1-4,18).John 1:12,13 indicates that "born again" also carries the idea "to become children of God" through trust in the name of Jesus Christ. |
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---Court7646 on 3/5/08 |
Ephesians 2:8,9 states, "For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast." When one is "saved," he/she has been born again, spiritually renewed, and is now a child of God by right of new birth. Trusting in Jesus Christ, the One who paid the penalty of sin when He died on the cross, is what it means to be "born again" spiritually. |
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---Court7646 on 3/5/08 |
The sinner's prayer is a prayer a person prays to God when they understand that they are a sinner and in need of a Savior. Saying a sinner's prayer will not accomplish anything on its own. Saying the sinner's prayer is simply a way of declaring to God that you are relying on Jesus Christ as your Savior. There are no "magical" words that result in salvation. It is only faith in Jesus' death and resurrection that can save us. |
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---Court7646 on 3/5/08 |
This is all it takes - Rom 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
Our Lord made it real easy for anyone to become a child of God. And this is only the beginning. He has included in your salvation every provision you will ever need for the rest of eternity. Do you know who you are and what you have? |
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---Debbie_Jo on 3/5/08 |
You must be born again. In John 3:7, Jesus said to Nicodemus, Ye must be born again.
For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23).
For the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23). This includes eternal separation from God in Hell.
. . . it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment (Hebrews 9:27). |
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---Cindy on 3/5/08 |
God . . . commandeth all men everywhere to repent (Acts 17:30). This repentance is a change of mind/heart that agrees with God that one is a sinner, agrees with what Jesus did for us on the Cross.
In Acts 16:30-31, jailer asked Paul and Silas: . . . Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved . . . . |
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---Cindy on 3/5/08 |
Believe on Him as the One who bore your sin, died in your place, was buried, and whom God resurrected. His resurrection powerfully assures that the believer can claim everlasting life when Jesus is received as Savior.
But as many as received Him, to them gave He power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on His name (John 1:12).
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (Romans 10:13). |
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---Cindy on 3/5/08 |
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