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Does Acts 2:38 mean to baptise in the name(s)of father son and holy ghost? Or does it mean to baptise in the name Jesus Christ? When we marry don't we take on the family "name", isn't Jesus the family name?

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Michael_e are you suggesting we have already gone through the Great Tribulation? Have you read Zechariah 12-14? That is YET to come. Jesus has not come and touched down on the mount of Olives in ALL HIS GLORY. When Paul saw the Glory of Christ it blinded him.

And you say the beast has come and gone? Satan already bound? for how long? Has the great white throne Judgment taken place, or the first resurrection? or the rapture? these things will take place, and at that time the Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached. HAS the sun already tuned to blood? When has Jesus sat on his throne separating the sheep from the goats?

AND when did the END come???? if it already came as you say?



---kathr4453 on 10/8/10



---kathr4453 on 10/8/10//
We have plenty to learn.

The 12 were commissioned to preach the "gospel of the kingdom" to Israel, and to manifest the signs of the kingdom to them. (Matt. 10:1 8)

Paul was commissioned to preach the "gospel of the grace of God" to the Gentiles, and to manifest signs that confirmed that God had turned to the Gentiles. (Romans 15: 14 19)

The 12 warned Israel of the coming wrath of God, the Lord prepared them to see and also go through the trib . (Matt. 24:1 35, Acts 2:14 40, 3:19 23)

Paul shows us the longsuffering of God, and the coming of the Lord for us to gather us together unto Himself, delivering us from the wrath to come. (I Thess. 1:10, 4:13 5:11)
---michael_e on 10/8/10


James 1:18
Of his own will begat he us( begotten Sons) with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures AKA new Creatures.

1 Peter 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,

1 Peter 5:14
--. Peace be with you all that are in Christ Jesus. Amen.

Same Doctrine!

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

Galatians 4:6
And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.
---kathr4453 on 10/8/10


Revelation 2:1-7.

The church of Ephesus was in the most affluent city in Asia Minor. Founded by Priscilla and Aquilla, served by Paul, Timothy, even John is believed to have called Ephesus home.

However, there is something wrong with the church. Verse 4, Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. The church of Ephesus suffered the same problem as many Christians today.

When the church began, they were excited about their salvation. What followed was a ritual obedience to the teachings of Jesus.

They stayed away from the practices of false teachers and endured hardships for the name of Christ. However, they had forgotten why they did it, and did not act in love.
---kathr4453 on 10/8/10


10I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

11Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia, unto Ephesus ,B>(EPHESIANS VIA PAUL , and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.aka Colossus!!!

12And I turned to see the voice that spake with me. And being turned, I saw seven golden candlesticks,

The SEVEN candle sticks represent the 7 CHURCHES. 7 meaning COMPLETE!!!

If this is to Jews Only.. Then I guess you have nothing new to LEARN?
---kathr4453 on 10/8/10




Why is there no recorded example of an Apostle's baptism until after the Holy Spirit blew in on the day of Pentecost?
---aka on 10/7/10

Sorry, in my other post I did not read your question correctly.

My understanding of your position is that the baptism of the spirit is for the BOC today. I agree with this point. Your position also seems to say that water baptism does NOT apply to the BOC today. That there is a conflict between the last chapter in the book of Matthew and the first chapter in the book of Acts.

Is this correct?
---Mark_Eaton on 10/8/10


//Can you explain?
---kathr4453 on 10/8/10//
Rev. 1:3"Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy To whom is "all prophecy" directed? The Jew. There is no distinct prophecy concerning the Body of Christ. we fit in the midst of prophetic utterances, but there are no prophecies concerning the Body of Christ
//And If one is not baptized into his death and resurrection life...they are not a "New Creature" IN CHRIST!//
Exactly what Paul(your pattern) tells you.
1Peter 1:1 addressing those Jews of Acts 8:1
It's very plain who James writes to.
---michael_e on 10/8/10


michael_e, At Pentecost and 10 years after only Jews were saved and baptized into the Church.

When the Apostles baptized in Jesus Name they were making it CLEAR it was not John's Baptism, which many probably already partook of. Mark_Eaton verse just presented, show some were confused and that the one Paul knew of as well as ALL The Apostles is that the ONLY BAPTISM that comes with the Holy Spirit promised, is the one in Jesus Name... Even Paul was baptized.

To state anyone water baptized is not part of the Church would mean neither was Paul!

You've taken Corinthians out of context when Paul said, I'm glad I baptized non of you..WHY? Because they were obsessed with baptism, tongues, carnality, defiling the Lords table etc!
---kathr4453 on 10/8/10


Why is there no recorded example of an Apostle's baptism until after the Holy Spirit blew in on the day of Pentecost?
---aka on 10/7/10

Really? Have you read the book of Acts? Paul at Ephasus in Acts 19.

Acts 19:3-5 "And he said, 'into what then were you baptized'? And they said, 'into John's baptism'. Paul said, 'John baptized with the baptism of repentance, telling the people to believe in Him who was coming after him, that is, in Jesus'. When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus."
---Mark_Eaton on 10/8/10


Paul to the CHURCH. Only the CHURCH is under grace. Grace is Christ Crucified and Risen.

Romans 5:2
By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.



1 Peter 5:10
But the God of all grace, who hath called us unto his eternal glory by Christ Jesus, after that ye have suffered a while, make you perfect, stablish, strengthen, settle you.

Also michael_e, to WHAT CHURCHES were the 7 letters in Rev 1-3 written to? By John, not Paul, written in Jewish language about our HEAVENLY CALLING!! ???

Can you explain?
---kathr4453 on 10/8/10




michael_e, you don't understand the verse I gave you in Peter. You don't understand the type and shadow of death and resurrection live!BY the RESURRECTION of Jesus Christ? is not water baptism but our identification with Christ in death and resurrection.

Do you not also see Peter talking about the FELLOWSHIP of His Sufferings 1 Peter 3-4 and the GRACE of God and GLORY to follow? Paul tells the same thing ..the fellowship of His sufferings, Phil 3, those who suffer Romans 8 will be glorified together WITH HIM.

NEVER promised to Earthly Israel! Only those IN HIS BODY suffer. It's the SUFFERING CHURCH !

And If one is not baptized into his death and resurrection life...they are not a "New Creature" IN CHRIST!
---kathr4453 on 10/8/10


//...why does Jesus tell the Apostles to baptise their disciples if the Holy Spirit is the baptizer?//

Why is there no recorded example of an Apostle's baptism until after the Holy Spirit blew in on the day of Pentecost?

1Cor 6:11 ...But you were washed (apolouo & #772, and not baptizo), you were sanctified, you were justified in the name (authority) of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
---aka on 10/7/10


//Certainly not the Baptism you claim disqualifies them (Jews) and me (A Jew) from being part of the Church!//
I don't believe I said that
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit(not man) are we all baptized into one body,(not water unless the BOC is water) whether we be Jews or Gentiles (SPIRITUAL)
There is a difference in an individual and a nation.
What tribe of the nation of Israel do you belong to?
I see you believe water baptism saves you.
---michael_e on 10/7/10


Michael_e, here we go, right from Peters own lips. What Baptism is he talking about here? Certainly not the Baptism you claim disqualifies them (Jews) and me (A Jew) from being part of the Church!



1 Peter 3:20-22

20Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Here Peter is talking about SPIRITUAL BAPTISM.

DEATH to Resurrection life.
---kathr4453 on 10/7/10


//aka on 10/1/10yes, but every new creation (born of the Spirit) is neither a Jew nor a Gentile. Those in Spirit are all one...a new creature in the Risen Christ./

amen aka
---michael_e on 10/7/10


//you dispute the words of Jesus and the Apostles.//
//[you] Applying it to baptism is incorrect.//
//You are reading into the Bible.//
//You do dispute plain Scripture.//

ok, mark.
---aka on 10/6/10


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my point is that there are two kinds of baptism...or two kinds of birth...water and spiritual. Jesus said so Himself.
---aka on 10/5/10

You do dispute plain Scripture. Jesus told the Apostles to go into ALL the world (Matt 28) as His last commandment to them. Your reference to Matt 10 is His instructions when sending them out by twos (Mark 6)

I agree there are two baptisms, but your reading of other Scripture is incorrect. In ALL cases baptism means water baptism unless the Scripture text or context tells you otherwise. The word baptizo, or immersion means water submersion used in conjuction with ships sinking.

Answer this, why does Jesus tell the Apostles to baptise their disciples if the Holy Spirit is the baptizer?
---Mark_Eaton on 10/6/10


Mark_Eaton 2 of 2

//1 Cor 15 passages deal with resurrection, not baptism.// what do you think baptism is all about?

//In Matt, Jesus tells the Apostles to make disciples and baptize them. It is not contradicted by John's statement.//
Thank you...my point is that there are two kinds of baptism...or two kinds of birth...water and spiritual. Jesus said so Himself.
---aka on 10/5/10


Mark_Eaton 1 of 2

//If your argument is to say that water baptism is not for the BOC today//
my argument is that spiritual baptism is for the BOC.

//then you dispute the words of Jesus and the Apostles.//
Jesus said not to go among the Gentiles and Samaritans. Who is disputing who?

//They ALL taught water baptism, being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.// name (onoma) authority, character

//You are reading into the Bible// irony plus there.. it says baptism and not water baptism. baptize means immerse and not necessarily water immerse. who is reading into what?
---aka on 10/5/10


Starting to see my point?
---aka on 10/1/10

No, not at all.

If your argument is to say that water baptism is not for the BOC today, then you dispute the words of Jesus and the Apostles. They ALL taught water baptism, being baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

You are reading into the Bible.

The 1 Cor 15 passages deal with resurrection, not baptism. Applying it to baptism is incorrect.

In Matt, Jesus tells the Apostles to make disciples and baptize them. It is not contradicted by John's statement.
---Mark_Eaton on 10/5/10


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---kathr4453 on 10/1/10
Do you think Jesus ask the 11 to go to all the world and preach a different gospel than He taught in his earthly ministry? Please read Matt 24-25. This is preached during teh Great tribulation...NOT NOW!!!//
I have read it, Jesus taught in His earthly ministry, rejected by the nation of Israel as a whole.
Matt. 9:35 And Jesus went about all the cities and villages, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing every sickness and every disease among the people
---michael_e on 10/2/10


Matt.24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.
What gospel did Christ want the 11 to preach
and why didn't they go into all the world?
---michael_e on 10/1/

michael_e this is at the end of the age. Please read Matt 24-25. This is preached during teh Great tribulation...NOT NOW!!!

The 144,000 WILL be preaching this gospel before the end!!! Didn't you hear Peter ask Jesus about that? Jesus said NOT NOW, only teh Fathr knows when..only the FAther knows when the 2nd Coming is(not to be confused with the Rapture coming!
---kathr4453 on 10/1/10


//every creature includes gentiles//

yes, but every new creation (born of the Spirit) is neither a Jew nor a Gentile. Those in Spirit are all one...a new creature in the Risen Christ.

The two messages were really just one message with to two different audiences. there was plenty of foreshadowing that the message was for all. but, remember these verses? Mat 10:5 ..."Go nowhere among the Gentiles and enter no town of the Samaritans, Mat 10:6 but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. Mat 10:7 And proclaim as you go, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.'

There was a time and a place. at one point, Jesus called Gentiles dogs. however, what amazed Jesus most was the faith of the Gentiles. why?
---aka on 10/1/10


Mark_Eaton,

- Mat 3:6 And were (water) baptized of him in Jordan, confessing their sins.

- Mar 1:4 John did (water) baptize in the wilderness, and preach the (water) baptism of repentance for the remission of sins.

- Mat 28:19 (water) baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost.

- Mar 1:8 I indeed have (water) baptized you with water: but he shall (water) baptize you with the Holy Ghost.

Starting to see my point?

1Co 15:48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.

1Co 15:49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
---aka on 10/1/10


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//kathr4453 on 10/1/10
Mark 16:15 And he said unto them,(the 11 Vs 14) Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature

Matt.24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations, and then shall the end come.
What gospel did Christ want the 11 to preach
and why didn't they go into all the world?
---michael_e on 10/1/10


// Mark_Eaton on 10/1/10 Will you dispute the words of Jesus?//
Absolutely not. You quoted these verses but left out the ones before them.
Matt 28:19-20

Matt 28:16 Then the ELEVEN disciples(to Israel) went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.
17 And when they(the 11) saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted. 18 And Jesus came and spake unto them(the 11)

Who do you think He was talking to the multitudes or the 11?
Plus did they ever leave Israel? Acts 8:1
---michael_e on 10/1/10


aka, michael_e,

Will you dispute the words of Jesus?

Matt 28:19-20 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I commanded you, and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age."

Has the end of the age come? Is this commandment only to the Jews or to ALL THE NATIONS?
---Mark_Eaton on 10/1/10


Mark 16:15
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

Paul Romans 16 is for the OBEDIENCE of faith to all nations... Does all nations here NOW mean Gentiles? prove it!

aka, every creature includes gentiles.

Bullinger taught this false doctrine of two different gospels, one to Jews and one to gentiles, and that Jews are not part of the church and that the church did not begin at Pentecost.

The CHURCH of the First Born is also spoken of in Hebrews 12... Those Born again of the SPIRIT began at Pentecost.

When the Spirit who is building the church WITH the ONE SAME Spirit given at Pentecost, will be raptured out before any other gospel is preached!
---kathr4453 on 10/1/10


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Mark_Eaton, standing alone without denominational bias, this scripture Rom 6:3-4 does not nearly hint at water baptismbr>


Baptism without a preceding modifier only means 'total immersion'. water baptism is immersion is in water, ketchup baptism is immersion in ketchup. Some are water baptized, some are baptized in the Spirit. There is an argument for both.

You say //The allusion is to water baptism, being "buried" and "raised".// I say the illusion is to water baptism being "buried" and "raised".

"I baptize you in water, He comes to baptize you in Spirit and fire."
---aka on 9/30/10


Mark_Eaton, standing alone without denominational bias, this scripture Rom 6:3-4 does not nearly hint at water baptismbr>


Baptism without a preceding modifier only means 'total immersion'. water baptism is immersion is in water, ketchup baptism is immersion in ketchup. Some are water baptized, some are baptized in the Spirit. There is an argument for both.

You say //The allusion is to water baptism, being "buried" and "raised".// I say the illusion is to water baptism being "buried" and "raised".

"I baptize you in water, He comes to baptize you in Spirit and fire."
---aka on 9/30/10


kathr4453

//Jesus said go ye into all nations world baptizing do you think he meant all nations where only Jews lived?//

Jesus commissioned the eleven to teach Jewish people about Christ. Jesus commissioned Paul to be the apostle to the Gentiles.

God has the same message of the Good News to two different groups for a reason.
---aka on 9/30/10


//Mark_Eaton on 9/30/10You need to go back and read 1 Cor 2, especially verse 14 because you are not spiritually appraising the meaning of 1 Cor 12:13//

I couldn't agree more with vs 14. This verse plus the majority of the Pauline epistle are spiritual, which sets the BOC apart from the Nation of Israel, who Peter and the 11 preached to.
Why would you want to take something physical(water baptism) given to Israel as a Nation and try to make it fit into something spiritual the BOC?
---michael_e on 9/30/10


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///kathr4453 on 9/30/10 i'm with Mark_Eaton, youfail to read ALL the word of God, putting your own spin!!!///

I'll have to stick with the Bible "rightly divided" not blenderized.
Give to the Nation of Israel what belongs to them, give to the BOC what belongs to us.
You are the BOC, you are not the Nation of Israel, incidentally to whom most of the Bible is addressed to.
As far as my spin, I've asked you numerous questions that you don't or can't answer.
Can you find the BOC mentioned anyplace besides Paul epistles?
---michael_e on 9/30/10


michael_e, i'm with Mark_Eaton, youfail to read ALL the word of God, putting your own spin!!!

Ephesians 2:16And that he might reconcile both(jew and gentile) unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
---
18For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father. Jew and Gentile

19Now therefore ye( GENTILES) are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens (fellow-heirs Chapter 3) with the saints, and of the household of God,

20And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone,
---kathr4453 on 9/30/10


you finished the verse, now try reading the first part and see who the baptizer is, who is being baptised and what we are being baptised or placed into. Compare it to John's baptism (physical) or the baptism in Acts 2(spiritual)
---michael_e on 9/29/10

You need to go back and read 1 Cor 2, especially verse 14 because you are not spiritually appraising the meaning of 1 Cor 12:13.

You see the word "baptize" and care less about the rest of the verse and its meaning. You take off on your "baptize" rabbit trail and care not for what the passage is teaching you. You care only for your own agenda and not what God wants to teach you with His word.

Do you have the mind of Christ or your own mind?
---Mark_Eaton on 9/30/10


//Mark_Eaton on 9/29/10The rest of the verse is "and we are all made to drink of one Spirit". This phrase shows how the verse is to be understood, that we are to be immersed, drunk, or completely covered in the Spirit.//
you finished the verse, now try reading the first part and see who the baptizer is, who is being baptised and what we are being baptised or placed into. Compare it to John's baptism (physical) or the baptism in Acts 2(spiritual)


1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit(not man) are we all baptized into one body,(not water unless the BOC is water) whether we be Jews or Gentiles (SPIRITUAL)
---michael_e on 9/29/10


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//Gentiles were never under the LAWles were never under the LAW//

you didn't have to be a Jew to be guilty

Rom. 3:19 Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that Every MOUTH may be stopped, and ALL THE WORLD may become guilty before God

//FELLOWHEIRS WITH WHO??)//
WITH CHRIST
Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs, heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ
---michael_e on 9/29/10


Romans 7:4 (Paul talking to Jews). Gentiles were never under the LAW.
Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ, that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Ephesians 3:6
That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs,( FELLOWHEIRS WITH WHO??) and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

To the Jews:
Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.
Hebrews was written by a JEW to Jews. Michael_e, is Hebrews to the Church or to those other less fortunate Jews?
---kathr4453 on 9/29/10


1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit(not man) are we all baptized into one body,(not water unless the BOC is water) whether we be Jews or Gentiles
---michael_e on 9/29/10

You are taking this verse of out of context.

Why don't you finish the verse?

The rest of the verse is "and we are all made to drink of one Spirit". This phrase shows how the verse is to be understood, that we are to be immersed, drunk, or completely covered in the Spirit. This is how the body of Christ works, it is covered, gifted, and immersed in the one Holy Spirit.

The subject of this verse and verses around it is the unity of the BOC and the unity of the Spirit.
---Mark_Eaton on 9/29/10


//Mark_Eaton on 9/29/10 What baptism is Paul describing here://

Rom 6:3 "Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus..

Do you assume Christ Jesus here is a body of water?

1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit(not man) are we all baptized into one body,(not water unless the BOC is water) whether we be Jews or Gentiles
---michael_e on 9/29/10


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Most don't agree with this but,Paul teaches ONE baptism in this age of grace and he tells us what the baptism is and who is the baptizer.
---michael_e on 9/28/10

What baptism is Paul describing here:

Rom 6:3-4 "Or do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus have been baptized into His death? Therefore we have been buried with Him through baptism into death, so that as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, so we too might walk in newness of life"

The allusion is to water baptism, being "buried" and "raised".
---Mark_Eaton on 9/29/10


kathr4453 on 9/29/10
Sorry to upset you.
apparently you don't see any difference in Acts 2 and Acts 10.

I've asked you numerous times to show me where the BOC is even mentioned before Paul.
apparently you can't or you would.
Why would the 12 not mention it?
Paul preached the gospel of grace.
Peter preached the Gospel of the Kingdom
Can you tell me if why Peter and Paul's language is so different if they were preaching the same thing
// Jesus said go ye into all nations world baptizing do you think he meant all nations where only Jews lived?//
Why didn't they go?
---michael_e on 9/29/10


michael_e, my last words to you on this subject!

Interestingly when reading Ephesians Paul also states there is ONE SPIRIT, ONE FAITH. Maybe there was a false understanding then too that there was one spirit for the Jews on Pentecost, and another spirit for the Church. One faith for the Jews son Pentecost and one faith for the church. If that were in fact a fact, Paul would have totally addressed it at that point. He refutes it totally.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/10


I am so glad God placed truth before us so that when false teachers come along, God already has the bases covered.

Cornelius was a GENTILE, whom God sent to what? cheat out of being part of the Church Christ's Body, subjecting Cornelius, a gentile to a Jewish ritual. Why woudl God do that?

Well, here is what God did, HE proved through Peter bringing the Gospel to a Gentile, that GENTILES were also part of the Body of Christ...LONG BEFORE Paul, who by the way FIRST went to the Jews and after that to teh Gentiles.

Now was Paul preaching two differnt gospels?

Absolutely Not!
---kathr4453 on 9/29/10


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Michael_e, Jesus said go ye into all nations world baptizing do you think he meant all nations where only Jews lived?
When I received Jesus Christ into my heart and surrendered my whole life to Him, I was spiritually baptized into Christs death and resurrection life, at that same moment baptizing me into His Body, the Church. Yet, I was totally excited to make a public testimony of my salvation. My baptism didnt save me as I was already Saved and baptized into His death and resurrection life.
Jewish ritual??? When I think of Jewish rituals even Paul objected to by Christian Jews who still wanted to hold on to rituals, it wasnt baptism , but Circumcision he objected to.
---kathr4453 on 9/29/10


amen, michael_e
---aka on 9/28/10


// Are you saying you don't believe in baptism? Have you ever been baptized?
---kathr4453 on 9/28/10//
I absolutely believe in baptism, just as Paul instructs the BOC. One means one.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles...
Eph. 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
language only found in Paul' writings
As for your other question I went through the Jewish water ritual of baptism 40 yrs ago, because that was what men taught.
---michael_e on 9/28/10


michael_e, I'm not sure what the problem is. Are you saying you don't believe in baptism? Have you ever been baptized?
---kathr4453 on 9/28/10


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Acts 10: Concerning Cornelius,

41Not to all the people, but unto witnesses chosen before God, even to us, who did eat and drink with him after he rose from the dead.

42And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

43To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

44While Peter yet spake these words, the Holy Ghost fell on all them which heard the word.
---kathr4453 on 9/28/10


//michael_e, let me ask you, after Paul's conversion he was baptized. WHAT kingdom was he baptized into?//
acts 9 I don't see where he was baptised into any kingdom. I don't see that water baptism places you anywhere.

Most don't agree with this but,Paul teaches ONE baptism in this age of grace and he tells us what the baptism is and who is the baptizer.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles...
Eph. 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
language only found in Paul' writings

Do you agree with this scripture?
---michael_e on 9/28/10


Acts 2:38 says,"Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Spoken by Peter)

Matthew 28:19 says,"Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost,(spoken by Jesus)

Either they are equal in meaning or the Bible is wrong in one verse or the other.

As for me I accept both versus.

---mima on 9/28/10


michael_e, let me ask you, after Paul's conversion he was baptized. WHAT kingdom was he baptized into? And immediately after his baptism he preached Jesus Christ is Lord. Now, if these others were preaching the earthly kingdom, then they would be preaching Jesus Christ as KING..King of the Jews. But wait. Where is the King? on earth reigning on earth for 1000 years? That's what the Kingdom restored to Israel will be ...the KING right here, returning the same way he ascended. Have you not read Zechariah 12-14. So you say they were preaching the Kingdom without the King?

So at Pentecost were they told God made Him both King and King???
---kathr4453 on 9/28/10


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---kathr4453 on 9/28/10 our baptism is an outward profession of our Spiritual baptism.
buried with him baptized into His death and raised up with him a new creature.//

Paul baptized a few(probably Jews) then he says I wasn't sent to baptize. The 12 apostles to Israel were sent to baptise.
Most don't agree with this but,Paul teaches ONE baptism in this age of grace and he tells us what the baptism is and who is the baptizer.
1 Cor 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles...
Eph. 4:5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
language only found in Paul' writings
---michael_e on 9/28/10


//Michael_e to your question.
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10//

this is my question
in this time frame who has the authority to baptise anyone, other than the Holy Spirit?
---michael_e on 9/27/10

Michael_e our baptism is an outward profession of our Spiritual baptism. When I was baptized my pastor said: (yes, I was totally submurged) buried with him baptized into His death and raised up with him a new creature.

Do you know Paul also baptized? Now John never said such a thing in his baptism.

Water doesn't wash away our sin, the Blood of Christ does!!
---kathr4453 on 9/28/10


//Michael_e to your question.
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10//

this is my question
in this time frame who has the authority to baptise anyone, other than the Holy Spirit?
---michael_e on 9/27/10


Michael_e to your question. Peter was an apostle to the Jews, Paul to the Gentiles. Galatians states it's the same Gospel and Paul was given the right hand of fellowship. They could ADD NOTHING to Paul, and DID NOT take away anything from Paul.

If two entirely different gospels were being preached at the same time, what confusion. There cannot be two entirely different testimonies going on at the same time. THIS is why we are going to be raptured FIRST before the Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached AFTER we're gone. Even THEN two gospels are not going to be preached a the same time.
GOD is NOT the author of CONFUSION!!!
---kathr4453 on 9/27/10


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in this time frame who has the authority to baptise anyone, other than the Holy Spirit?
---michael_e on 9/27/10


"baptism" means "dipt honor", and the Christian baptism is done in the water, either in the riverside or at the side of a seashore or in a baptismal or in a pool, and I even heard of a person being baptized in a bath tub. And the baptizer puts their hand in back of the person being baptized in order to lift them back up again after they have been immersed under the water. God Almighty is Triune, being the Father Yahwah and the Son Yeshuah and the Holy Spirit Shiloh. Thus the Christian baptizer properly says to the person which they are baptizing, before they lower them underneath the water, "I baptize you onto the Name Jesus Christ, in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost."
---Eloy on 9/25/10


Where do we find ourselves as gentile members of the Body of Christ in these passages?

Acts 1:6.. kingdom to Israel?
Acts 2:22.. Ye men of Israel,
Acts 2:36.. all the house of Israel
Acts 3:12.. the people, Ye men of Israel,
Acts 4:8..Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,
Acts 5:31 ..a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel,...
Acts 5:35 .. Ye men of Israel,...
Acts 7:23..his brethren the children of Israel.
Acts 7:37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel,..
Acts 7:42 ...O ye house of Israel..
---michael_e on 9/25/10


Acts 2 v 38 Fulfills Matt.28 v 19.

When your baptized in The name Jesus Christ, that name is applied.

If your baptized in the titles, you go down a dry sinner & come up a wet sinner.
There is No one found that was baptized in the titles, people were baptized in The name of The Lord & The name of The Lord Is Jesus Christ.
---Lawrence on 8/19/10


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The baptism of the Holy Spirit is not what John did (the spirit had not yet been given, John 7:39).

John baptized with H2O, but we should be baptized with the living water of the Holy Spirit (Acts 1:5 and 11:16, John chap. 4, John 7:38, Revelation 7:16). This is the water that flowed from Christ's side at the cross and will be POURED out in the last days (Acts 2:17).

The living water is our guarantee (1 Corinthians 1:22, 5:5, Ephesians 1:14). We shall not live by the bread of life alone, but by His spirit also (Matthew 4:4, Luke 4:4) and learn the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10).

All verses are from the RSV.

Institutional Christianity never understood this, but we must have a NEW Covenant devotion.
---more_excellent_way on 7/12/08


John The Baptist baptised with water. After he baptised Jesus to fulfill prophesy, John told his followers that his time had ended and they were to follow Jesus. John told them that Jesus will baptise with fire and The Holy Spirit. From that moment, water baptism became nothing more than tradition.
---Ken on 5/30/08


Pt.2
Acts 8:
35 Then Philip opened his mouth, and began at the same SCRIPTURE, and PREACHED unto him JESUS.

36 And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain WATER: and the eunuch said, See, here is WATER, what doth HINDER me to be BAPTISED?

37 And PHILIP said, IF thou BELIEVEST with ALL thine Heart, thou MAYEST. And HE answered and said, I BELIEVE that JESUS Christ IS the SON of GOD.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/14/08


Pt.3
Acts 8:
38 And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and THEY went down BOTH into the WATER, BOTH Philip and the eunuch, and HE BAPTIZED him.

39 And when they were come UP OUT of the WATER, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and HE went on his way REJOICING.

40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/14/08


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Pt.1
Acts 2:
38 Then Peter said unto them, REPENT, and be BAPTIZED EVERY one of YOU IN the NAME of Jesus Christ FOR the REMISSION of SINS, and YE shall RECEIVE the GIFT of the HOLY GHOST.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, AND to ALL that are AFAR off, EVEN AS many AS the LORD our God shall CALL.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/14/08


In Matt 19, Jesus instructs the diciples to baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Gost and to make diciples of all nations.
---jody on 5/9/08


If the people in Acta 19 had been baptized in the Name of Jesus--which means in the Name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit--they would at least have HEARD that there was a Holy Spirit, but this was totally new to them.
---Jack on 3/26/08


To be baptized one must be baptized in the name of the Father, the Son and of the Holy Ghost. Matthew 28:19. Now what Acts 2:38 is saying that these people were already baptized by John, and John was telling them here comes one mighter than I who shoes I cannot fill who shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost and fire. It starts in Acts 1:5-16 and Acts 2:1-18. The 120 people in the upper room were baptized by the Holy Ghost and with fire.
---Rebecca_D on 3/25/08


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MpcTruth
1) John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

We are to be baptized into the "Word of God", As the Father Son & Holy Spirit was in the beginning.

If you are looking for a family name to take on, it is the "WORD" of God that will be your family name.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/25/08


2) It is the "WORD of God" that created all things, even Jesus Christ who is the Word of God made flesh.

God Himself took on the "WORD" in John 1:1, if you are of His family then you will take on the same?
---Shawn.M.T on 3/25/08


** It is the symbolism of the baptism and what it testifies of that is really important.**

To whom would it have testified?

First off, following the precedent of the mikveh, the candidates were baptized in the nude. The only others present would be the bishop or presbyter, sponsor, and maybe a deaconess when women were baptized.

Second, they were NEVER baptized in the presence of non-believers.
---Jack on 3/25/08


Baptism should be done in the Name of Jesus. There are no instances from Acts on where we see anyone baptized in the Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost, they were all baptized in the Name of Jesus. I also don't believe that we need to get in a major discussion over the Name as long as the water baptism takes place. It is the symbolism of the baptism and what it testifies of that is really important.
---Debbie_Jo on 3/25/08


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To baptize "in the name of Jesus" is to baptize as He commanded (as opposed to John's baptism).

How did Jesus command baptism to be done? "In the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit/Ghost."
---Jack on 3/25/08


If you believe in the trinity then you believe that Jesus has all of the authority given to Him by the Father. The Father manifested His Son to remit our sins. Whether you say Father, Son, and the Holy Ghost, or just Jesus, you are including ALL. Why split hairs?
---pgfdottie on 3/25/08


Personally I think you could do either and you're still baptizing in the name of the same God.

Now if you were baptizing in the name of Bhudda or some other God there'd be issue, but really Jesus and the Father are one and there's no line where Jesus ends and the Father begins.
---pharisee on 3/25/08


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