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If Jesus Christ was alive today, would he be a Democrat or a Republican?

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He would be a Fundamentalist Conservative. Unfortunately, neither Party fits that description anymore.
---jerry6593 on 5/9/08


Neither!
Because,When he comes back,
It's HIS way or the Highway!
NO MORE, FREE WILL TO DO AS YOU WANT,
ALL will be done for the Glory of God,"By Everyone who makes it"!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/8/08


Since He is not proabortion, I guess He would be considered conservative. I doubt that He would ever TAG Himself in the politcal arena. He was a revolutionary when He came and He is revolutionary now. Politics does not matter to Him. Loving one another and acception Him is His concern.
---jody on 5/8/08


I agree with you Frances. Jesus was leading them to the understanding that by calling Him good they were calling Him God.
---Warwick on 5/8/08


Steveng, the reason Jesus said 'No one is good but God' is that he was trying to open their eyes. They called him 'good', he said only God is good, therefore (as Jesus subtly points out to them) by their own words they are acknowledging him as God. He is saying 'You call me good, rightly, because I am God.' But as always he talks in a way that is slightly mysterious, letting those who disbelieve carry on in their disbelief.
---frances008 on 5/8/08




Steveng "Isn't Jesus only the messanger of the new covenant?"
Surely He is a bit more than that?
Is He not our SAVIOUR?
---alan_of_UK on 5/7/08


steverG-Jesus is clearly God. I am not questioning that! In asking why does that man call Him good, it seems as if the man is recognizing Him as God. That was my understanding. I was posting an answer to your question.
---melann on 4/12/08


melann: "Maybe..."

Either you are sure of what you are saying or your not.
---Steveng on 4/10/08


Jesus would be one of those in the right....
---Elder on 4/9/08


Steveng:

One of the central doctrines of Christianity is that Jesus was sinless, and thus (legally) able to take our own sins upon himself.

If we accept the notion that Jesus was a sinner just like the rest of us, this opens up MANY cans of worms.
---StrongAxe on 4/9/08




StevenG-When Jesus responded "Why does thou call Me good...,to the man. Maybe the Holy Spirit revealed to that man that Jesus is son of God the same way He did to Peter (Matt15:15-17) when Jesus said"Blessed are you..for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you but My Father who is in heaven.
---melann on 4/8/08


StrongAxe: "But if Jesus (who is sinless) commits a sin by acting out in inappopriate anger, we have a Major Problem."

Why? Isn't Jesus only the messanger of the new covenant? (Malichi's prophecy) and what was the main purpose of Jesus? And didn't He himself say noone is good except God? What did He mean by that?
---Steveng on 4/8/08


Steveng:

The reason I ask is because this point of this thread was whether or not sarcasm is always a BAD thing (and later, whether good people can have "bad hair days"). Now it's one thing for people like Elijah and Paul to sin occasionally - after all, they're "only human". But if Jesus (who is sinless) commits a sin by acting out in inappopriate anger, we have a Major Problem.
---StrongAxe on 4/8/08


StrongAxe: "Are you implying that Jesus made a mistake (i.e sinned) by throwing the moneychangers out of the temple?"

You tell me...

And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life? And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? None is good, save one, that is, God.
---Steveng on 4/7/08


Steveng:

Are you implying that Jesus made a mistake (i.e sinned) by throwing the moneychangers out of the temple?
---StrongAxe on 4/6/08


StrongAxe: "In both cases, sarcasm was used as a form of rebuke or reproof. When you reprove someone, you usually hurt their feelings in an effort to correct their behavior."

That's true, but just because they did it, it doesn't mean it's right. don't forget, Elijah and Paul were only human - as was Jesus when he threw out the money changers and the taxmen.
---Steveng on 4/4/08


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Jack, you are funny. I love your wit.
---Trish9863 on 4/4/08


Rolling Stones, "We can't always get what we want"

But we get the president we deserve. Forget political parties, God is sovereign.
He gives us the president we deserve. He is the Righteous Judge, fair and sovereign.
---Ted on 4/4/08


Steveng:

Yes, I definitely can.

Sarcasm is a sharp knife, and we must be careful how we use it.

I don't think Elijah was worried about hurting the feelings of the priests of Baal, and I don't think Paul was afraid of hurting the feelings of the pro-circumcision faction.

In both cases, sarcasm was used as a form of rebuke or reproof. When you reprove someone, you usually hurt their feelings in an effort to correct their behavior.
---StrongAxe on 4/4/08


Dr. Rich-yes that came from Paul's letters. But Paul wrote 2/3 of the New Testament under the leadership of the Holy Spirit. 2 Timothy 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable...
God is God and satan is not. We give satan too much credit, much to his liking, it's what he has wanted all along.
---melann on 4/4/08


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**Is that Christian-like?**

When Christ referred to Herod as "that fox", He actually used the feminine, "vixen."

Was that Christ-like?
---Jack on 4/3/08


StrongAxe: Wasn't there a time in your life when you were the victim of a joke or jest and, even though it hurt you deep inside, you still forced yourself a grin? Many times jesting, joking or sporting can hurt someone deeply. Is that Christian-like?
---Steveng on 4/2/08


Steveng: (1)

The incident I mentioned (and the one Jack did as well) mentioned Elijah and Paul - both men who were instruments of God, speaking in his behalf.

Ephesians 5:4 speaks against jesting. So was Paul condemning his own sarcasm? If so, since we consider Paul's words to be inspired, which of these two contradictory statements should we believe?
---StrongAxe on 4/2/08


Steveng: (2)

Matthew 12:36 refers to "idle words". Sarcasm used to prove apoint is not idle, and it will be judged like every other words.

Proverbs 26:19 applies to practical jokes, but sarcasm is plainly visible, so not "intended to deceive", so this doesn't apply.

James 3:8 says "the tongue is evil". If you apply this to sarcasm, you must apply it equally to all speech (including preaching the Gospel).
---StrongAxe on 4/2/08


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The lack of knowledge here is astounding. Satan was cast out of Heaven to Earth, and had "influence" over the people who were placed here, but Satan can do nothing without the Fathers permission. Never could never will. God gave man the freedom to choose. He always wants us to choose Him, but men are foolish and often choose there own lusts. And to answer the original question, He is the "KING" I guess you could say a monarchy.
---pgfdottie on 4/2/08


Dr.Rich: "Jesus said that the Prince of this world is Satan and he is in charge of the world's leaders."

Was Satan in charge of Abraham? Moses? David? God said that He puts into power anyone He chooses, He builds nations and destroys them. Satan puts man into positions to destroy what God built. Why are we commanded to pray for our leaders if they are controlled by Satan?
---Steveng on 4/1/08


alan_of_UK: "In the OT, God never intended the Israelites to have a king. It was only upon their insistance that they got one. There is only one King"
Samuel must have got it wrong then."

Allow me to clarify: "...that they got their first one." I was speaking of the time they insisted upon a king.

As for "There is only one King" God wanted to be their only king, but the Israelites insisted otherwise to have a physical king like the other nations.
---Steveng on 4/1/08


StrongAxe: "Actuallly, sarcasm WAS used in the bible:..."

Sinning is also mentioned in the bible, but that doesn't mean it's right.

Have you not read: Ephesians 5:4, Matthew 12:36, Proverbs 26:19, James 3:8
---Steveng on 4/1/08


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**Jesus said that the Prince of this world is Satan and he is in charge of the world's leaders.**

Jesus told Pontius Pilate that Pilate would hav no authority over Him were it not given from above, and I don't think He meant Satan.

He also said at His Ascension that all power was given to HIM in heaven AND on earth.
---Jack on 4/1/08


melann,..You got your understanding from Paul's gospel in Romans 13. Paul did not get this from Jesus (God) and it was/is NOT correct. Jesus said that the Prince of this world is Satan and he is in charge of the world's leaders.
---Dr.Rich on 4/1/08


**
Steveng:

Actuallly, sarcasm WAS used in the bible:**

Or how about when St. Paul said, "I wish those bothering you about circumcision would cut themselves off."
---Jack on 4/1/08


"In the OT, God never intended the Israelites to have a king. It was only upon their insistance that they got one. There is only one King"
Samuel must have got it wrong then.
---alan_of_UK on 4/1/08


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He would be neither. And no, He wouldn't even be a christian. As Crown Prince of the Kingdom of Heaven, He is the great "I AM".
---Dr.Rich on 4/1/08


The bible say that God has ordained authority. Regardless of who is elected God will use them to fulfill His plans. Although I know God has a perfect plan and wants His people to pray before they vote to seek His will.
---melann on 3/31/08


First, Jesus Christ is alive today. However, he could be a Demopub or a Republicrat...I jest.
---Eloy on 3/31/08


** Jack: "You don't actually believe in an earthly millenial kingdom when Jesus said directly that His Kingdom is NOT of this world...?"

It"s true what Jesus said, but the timing make it differnt. The millinum will be on this earth.**

In other words, a kingdom of this world, despite the words of Jesus.

** I strongly suggest reading Revelation a few times and listen to it once.**

I have many times.
---Jack on 3/31/08


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Steveng:

Actuallly, sarcasm WAS used in the bible:

When Elijah taunted the prophets of Baal, when they were unable to get their sacrificial fire lit, he asked them if maybe their god had "gone on a journey" (a euphemism for "going to the bathroom"). Clearly he was not being literal, but was using sarcasm to make a point.
---StrongAxe on 3/31/08


Michael: If you read the Democratic platform, you might learn about the Democrats beliefs.
---Trish9863 on 3/30/08


If I have attacked anyone, I apologize. Okay, Sue?
---frances008 on 3/30/08


frances008:

In what way am I attacking you?

I come here to discuss. If people post things that go against commonly accepted wisdom (which, in the case of these blogs means common Christian beliefs and practices), I just ask them to provide some justification for these unorthodox views

I find ad hominem attacks illogical and distasteful (not to mention uncharitable) and try to avoid them, I don't call people attackers, deceivers, liars, conspirators, demon-possessed, heretics, etc.
---StrongAxe on 3/30/08


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only jesus spoke truth always,we as messengers of his gospel are just delivering his message to the world.jesus is king,god the son,he needs no political ties since his kingdom is not of this world.now I must say I have been guility as some but am working with the lords help to answer question in love,without the attitude.
---tom2 on 3/30/08


Jack: "You don't actually believe in an earthly millenial kingdom when Jesus said directly that His Kingdom is NOT of this world...?"

It"s true what Jesus said, but the timing make it differnt. The millinum will be on this earth. I strongly suggest reading Revelation a few times and listen to it once. You'll have a quite a different perspective. Don't let other people's interpretation and your worldly knowledge interfere with your reading. Do allow the Holy spirit to guide you.
---Steveng on 3/30/08


Jack: "**And besides Jesus is a Jew, so he would be Jewish.**

Only on His Mother's side."

It's the mother who connects the lineage not the father. Ask any Jewish rabbi.
---Steveng on 3/30/08


In the OT, God never intended the Israelites to have a king. It was only upon their insistance that they got one. There is only one King.
---Steveng on 3/30/08


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Jack, why are you afraid of people knowing the truth. Don't be so scared. After all 'everyone' knows me to be wrong, so why the attacks?

If ONE person was to change their mind, and perhaps believe the prophecies concerning the End Times in Revelation, Thessolonians, Mark, Matthew, Daniel and a host of other Biblical sources, then would you really, really, feel sick. Would it really make you mad that I had converted just ONE person? Yes.
---frances008 on 3/30/08


Michael,
You do not know what the Democrats truly stand for. I have read the Democratic party platform and know what they stand for,and am proud to be a Democrat and vote for the Democratic candidates. Try reading up on the party before you speak ill of them.
---Trish9863 on 3/30/08


frances008: Most of the things I disaggree with you, but there is one suggestion:

Don't be so defensive. Let them slander you. Let them call you names. Let them spread lies about you. Let them kill you. Do not be afraid of what man can do to you for they only can kill the body. But be afraid of what God can do to you for He can kill the body AND the soul.

Also, don't get caught up in their conspiricies and debates that can't be proven. You are bringing youself down to their level.
---Steveng on 3/30/08


Jesus is alive today, seated at the right hand of the Father. Jesus would be for whoever is doing His Father's will regardless of political party.
---melann on 3/30/08


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StrongAxe: "I think Jack was being facetious to make a point:"

If some of you would study the Bible, it is written that we are not to jest is such a manner.
---Steveng on 3/29/08


Jack, frances: BEHAVE yourselves!
---sue on 3/29/08


thats what wrong with people. they think like men. god is not into politics.he is the creator, and owner of EVERYTHING and sovereign,and holy.he don,t vote.
---tom2 on 3/29/08


Frances, humanity is not a "bandwagon of attackers" trying to destroy you,...no matter what YOU feel you deserve. You are in the body of Christ now and you shall no longer be given a penalty for anything you have done in the past. The Lord's FINAL judgement will be HIS decision, but He doesn't give us any authority to "attack" and true brethren don't want to "attack" anyway.
---greg on 3/29/08


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Jack ... Frances has a point.
Many of us here strongly disagree with what Frances says, and vigorously argue against her.
But you do seem to have gone in for the ad hominum personal attacks.
It's not the right way forward if we are to remain on courteous terms with each other.
---alan_of_UK on 3/29/08


God is no respecter of persons/personalities, He only has regard for a person's true nature.

Human nature is that being confined to physical/biological bodies, we have many "natural limitations" (Romans 6:19). It does not mean that all people have the INTENTION of CAUSING evil (some do, some don't, but we all still have the inability to be perfect).
---greg on 3/29/08


Jack, Jesus was no slanderer. You and your friends are. How do you think you are even in the same ball park? You must be very short sighted. Perhaps you see Satan and mistake him for Jesus.
---frances008 on 3/29/08


**
No Jack. It is not for you that I am spreading the truth. **

Or for anyone else, for that matter.
---Jack on 3/28/08


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While the kingdom of God is not an earthly kingdom, and I do think that politics are a personal choice for Christians, I would think it would have to be very difficult to vote Democrat knowing what they stand for (gay marriage, abortion, persecuting wholesome institutions, welfare enslavement, etc). Also if you actually take the time to READ the constitution there is no such thing as a separation of church state. It says that the government may not establish a government church or religion.
---Michael on 3/28/08


StrongAxe, I seem to recall that I had cut off all corresponding with you, Greyrider, Nurse Robert, and others in your gang of endless grey beings who morph in front of my eyes, taking off their sheep's clothing for a second.
---frances008 on 3/28/08


As usual, StrongAxe, you jump on the bandwagon of attackers instead of answering my message about the Jews being destroyed in Jerusalem at the End of this Age.
---frances008 on 3/28/08


**
Jack, slanderers and liars, and those who support them, have no claim to be Christians as they are not obeying the Command to love your neighbour.**

I'm not saying I'm on the level of Jesus, but I am pleased you would put me in such good company. They called HIM a liar, too.

Keep on blessing me, frances008. All you do is increase my heavenly treasure.
---Jack on 3/28/08


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StrongAxe, I know Jack's games. Thanks, anyway. Jack and all those slanderers (diabolos) are devils. I have every right as a Christian to order them to stop slandering me.

Their personal ad hom attacks is why we cannot have discussions. They attack the messenger. I don't mind for my sake, in fact for my sake it is good. But for others sake, if they think I am what others define me as, then they will take no notice of my messge which is to stop people believing the lies of the media.
---frances008 on 3/28/08


frances08:

I think Jack was being facetious to make a point:

If his commanding demons out of you looks ridiculous, how does that make it look when you did it to him earlier?

Why is it that people can't just have reasoned discussions, but instead of agreeing to have different opinions, they call each other liars and deceivers and demon-posessed?
---StrongAxe on 3/28/08


Jack, slanderers and liars, and those who support them, have no claim to be Christians as they are not obeying the Command to love your neighbour. So demons won't obey you, and since I do not have a demon, it won't make any difference. You might think about trying to be original instead of parrotting me.
---Frances008 on 3/27/08


Neither--He'd have Israeli citizenship, as He was born in Bethlehem.

Honestly, though, there's hardly a lick of difference between the two parties anyway.

Or, as the bumper sticker goes, "If God had meant for us to vote, He would have given us candidates."
---Nancy on 3/26/08


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**when I ordered you and the demons in you to stop doing so.**

In the name of Jesus, demons of delusion, come out of frances008 RIGHT NOW.
---Jack on 3/26/08


Jack, the timing is something that even Jesus said he did not know about. The facts are written in Revelation. Jesus IS coming for His Church. The Kingdom that we inherit is the Kingdom of Heaven. Jerusalem figures in the plans of the Antichrist. All nations will fight against the Jews, to their own destruction.
---frances008 on 3/26/08


No Jack. It is not for you that I am spreading the truth. It is for those who your lot keep lying to. And you continue the lies about me, slandering me, when I ordered you and the demons in you to stop doing so.
---frances008 on 3/26/08


** The world revolves around umpteen Occult Bloodlines and is governed by three cities, the City of London, the City of Washington and the Vatican City.**

And you really expect us to take you and your paranoid delusional fantasies seriously, frances008?
---Jack on 3/26/08


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The world revolves around umpteen Occult Bloodlines and is governed by three cities, the City of London, the City of Washington and the Vatican City. These three cities rule the world. They will bring in a New Order. This will be the ultimate betrayal of humanity. The world will be enslaved and one large prison concentration camp. Not many will see it until it happens to THEM. Satanists, or Luciferians are really warring against Christians making targetted attacks on Christian people and families.
---frances008 on 3/26/08


**After all, that is where is he coming back to to set up HIS KINGDOM!!!**

You don't actually believe in an earthly millenial kingdom when Jesus said directly that His Kingdom is NOT of this world, do you?
---Jack on 3/26/08


Alan: You make a great point. So many American Christians think the world revolves around the USA, and it just does not.
---Trish9863 on 3/26/08


As many have pointed out here, Jesus always went his own way - straight forward. How close that may be to the way others go depends on whether THEY are heading in the right direction themselves.
---StrongAxe on 3/26/08


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Jesus is a Jew and would be living in Israel! After all, that is where is he coming back to to set up HIS KINGDOM!!!
---Gophylan on 3/26/08


**And besides Jesus is a Jew, so he would be Jewish.**

Only on His Mother's side.
---Jack on 3/26/08


Alan, it is a well known fact not only would Jesus be an American he would be a TEXAN!!!!
---randy on 3/26/08


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