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Universal Healthcare In USA

Should the USA have universal healthcare?

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I can't think of any institution that wastes more money and man hours than the U.S.
Federal government. Put them in charge of managing everyone's health care? There's got to be a better answer.

The complaints of delay I've heard from those who live under socialized medicine are more along the lines of waiting with dozens of sick people all day, being miserable yourself, to be seen by a doctor.

Socialized medicine eliminates many of the choices we have in the U.S. Example? Colon cancer. Only one treatment,colostomy, under socialized medicine. In the US you may opt for a more difficult,less certain procedure, but your colon remains intact. You and your doctor decide.
---Donna66 on 7/31/08


Continuation of my prior post on socialized medicine--

Instead of Medicaid, why not ask the feds to give each state a block grant, based on certain objective statistics like population, mean age etc. Let the states administer these funds to buy health insurance for their otherwise uninsured. All major insurance companies would be invited to bid.

The budget for states health care would be evaluated periodically, again on the basis of demographics...not based on previous years expenditures as so many Federal budget items are now.The present method only encourages ever-increasing waste.
---Donna66 on 7/31/08


Look what it's done to Canada!
Fix Immigration & ALL THE WASTE,
Then with that money give health care to people.
The POOR already have it, Unless they've done something Fraudulent.

The Rich can pay for it themselves, as they're doing right now for the Poor.

So, what were really talking about is the Middle-class people that have 2 jobs & a mortgage payment, car payment, private schooling, ect.
The money could be used to give THEM Health care.
PROB. SOLVED!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/18/08


Basics like vaccinations, yearly check-ups, blood-work, and maintenance meds should be available to all, as should prenatal care (2 patients for the price of one!)

But people should be required to take out surgical and long-term illness insurance. (The government could purchase insurance for the poor at great terms, and charge as necessary.)

But the government should not foot the bill by itself. Everyone should pay as much of their insurance as they can on their (or their employer's) own.
---Nancy on 4/6/08


NVBarbara ... Our Helth Service comes in for a lot of criticism, and there are too many management & administrators, and too few medical staff.
But generally it works.
The sort of delay that Ian talks about are quite rare.
And of course, no-one is asked to guarantee they can pay the bill before they see the doctor or enter hospital
---alan_of_UK on 4/3/08




"How would you like to wait two years for a diagnosis, and then another 18 months for surgery".Ian_8763 on 3/26/08

What is the mortality rate from sloppy med plans there Ian? You could die waiting for a diagnosis!
Is it any better in the UK Alan?
---NVBarbara on 4/2/08


We have only three promises from our government - "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness." People are too lazy to educated themselves about how money works, they depend on others to do for them what they should do for themselves. Force fed a diet of destructive drugs, for ailments of bad nutrition, sounds like the sort of thing the governement wants to run, to take more from you than they give.
---dan on 4/1/08


The Church(You/Me/Others)will GIVE an Answer to God for this, NOT Just Goverments!
There are 1000's of Churches in America,
IT's OUR FAULT TOO!
I URGE EVERYONE to do what they can, So you can give Account on that Day...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 3/31/08


We are the only civilized country that doesnt take care of its own. We must use taxes for the needy and unhealthy first, not for war and greed.
---calhoon on 3/31/08


Health care is not an entitlement. Social Security started out as a temporary measure. Government cannot effectively administer anything, waste is huge, management top heavy. We're broke and with the boomers retiring at a rate of 1 every 7 seconds, financially it's all down hill.
---dan on 3/31/08




Augie "Yes, the USA needs Universal Health Care. It would involve nothing more than making everyone eligible for Medicare and Medicaid." If this were to happen in a similar way to our N.H.S. in the U.K. you would all have to pay for it. It is not FREE to us. All people earning over a certain amount pay regularly. The money is deducted from our pay packets along with income tax. There is no opting out, even if you also have private medical insurance.
---RitaH on 3/29/08


2. However, the difference would be that those who cannot afford any health cover whatsoever would get treatment. The idea here is, that if things work fairly (and many of us believe they don't) everyone gets the same treatment regardless of income etc., UNLESS they decide to go private (using the insurance that they pay for separately). The truth is though that facilities vary from area to area and some authorities will pay for what others will not pay for. It has become very unfair.
---RitaH on 3/29/08


I deeply appreciate ---Michelle's answers concerning this question. Universal health care is enjoyed by many peoples around the world, but not here. Here is my friend's statement says about this. He calls it the dirty little secret." Most churches, and most Christians don't give a damn about the lost are the poverty-stricken masses. What is your comments concerning this wildly outrageous statement
---Mima on 3/28/08


David:

You have a good point: The USA Government is "broke" and financing it's current programs with debt.

The USA's military spending is the root cause of this. Reduce military spending and there will be more than enough money, without borrowing too, to pay for everything. Including Universal Healthcare.

Right now, people without health insurance have to go to public health hospitals. That costs A LOT more than Universal Healthcare.
---Augie on 3/28/08


David .. tat just sounds illogical ... surely there would be a corresponding increase (if not more) in the numbers of workers in the State System?

In the UK, the National Health Servicwe is rthe largest emploer in the country.
---alan_of_UK on 3/28/08


Gophylann:

The people at the top of our society do well, because they have good priate health care. Those at the bottom do well, because they get government-subsidised health care. But the majority, in the middle, get the shaft because they can't afford insurance, but make too much to qualify for state care.

Which is worse? Waiting 2 years for a procedure in Canada because the system is backlogged? or not being able to get it EVER, because you have no insurance?
---StrongAxe on 3/28/08


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No it's not a good idea. I am just finishing with my Masters degree in Business and we study this subject often in our classes.

The American Government is broke and is debt spending to afford its current programs. Also you would put a lot of people out of work who work in the private insurance system.
---David on 3/28/08


No. We do not need universal health care. The cost will go up just like having to have care insurance to drive a car. The quality of care will greatly decrease. Ask those in Canada and England about how great it is. I have been without health care for several years, but I would not want to have universal care. It is bad enough what the people go through that use county health care services and the low quality they recieve and how long they have to wait.
---Gophylann on 3/27/08


Yes, the USA needs Universal Health Care.

It would involve nothing more than making everyone eligible for Medicare and Medicaid.

The government seems to have more than enough money to finance an endless war in the Middle East. The Bible says that there will ALWAYS be fighting in that region no matter what.

Why don't we reduce the Middle East war funding and require citizens to visit their doctors instead?

It would be a lot cheaper.
---Augie on 3/27/08


I once saw a presentation comparing various parts of the budget. If just 10% were cut from the military budget, it would save enough to fund universal health care, fix the education system, and most other social programs.

Of course, it will likely never happen, because the US is much more interested in killing people overseas than saving them at home.

When we do everything in our power to give every Iraqi universal health care, while Americans do without, there's something very wrong here.
---StrongAxe on 3/27/08


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Ian, waiting 18 months is better than never.

I think we need health care for everybody, rich and poor.
---sue on 3/27/08


I am Canadian, we have universal health care. How would you like to wait two years for a diagnosis, and then another 18 months for surgery. And if the US had universal health care, where would the rich Canadians go to get actual medical help. In Christ: Ian
---Ian_8763 on 3/26/08


My mother was born right after the Great Depression. She remembers as a child how little food there was to go around.
She survived on homemade biscuits with bacon grease for breakfast and lunch, and remembers hiding in the bushes while she ate her lunch, because she was embarrassed.
---Michelle on 3/26/08


My father remembers surviving by eating whatever he could from gardens without his parents.
He said he never wanted to see those tough times return in his lifetime, but those who are surviving on minimum wages may experience some hard times.
---Michelle on 3/26/08


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We think the world is waiting and watching us drop down to nation #22 in the ranks for stability.
My father, mother and I have a very uneasy feeling. We are wondering what tomorrow's news may be. It's day by day, not month to month.
We have made some preparations for about 3 months of time. My mother had a strong urgency to do so.
---Michelle on 3/26/08


Yes. Here's why:

It certainly appears that the USA economy is in a recession. That isn't good for healthcare because most of it comes from employer-provided insurance plans. No employment equals no coverage for many people.

Unemployed people are going to have to use our tax-subsidized public health clinics.

This type of care will end up costing us a lot more than Universal Healthcare.
---sag on 3/26/08


I don't think this nation can afford it.

My father who survived the Great Depression said to me today, "I have the same feelings as I had back then." He lost his father and mother during the Depression. He and his brothers survived on their own, from the age of 12.
---Michelle on 3/26/08


He remembers it vividly, like yesterday.

He has insight and I trust what my father tells me. He told me that he feels we're hanging on by a thread, day by day.
It's not like the 70's, we're in a much different financial climate or condition.
---Michelle on 3/26/08


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Moderator, it seems the U.S. is already trying to take care of the whole universe, by exporting its business to other countries, for a start (o:

Yes, I think it could be good, but churches need to do what they can to personally care for their people . . . not to depend on man and institutionalized care which can be impersonal and corrupt and get bogged down with paperwork, etc. Also, workers in a mass-production med. care system can be abused with stressing conditions.
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/26/08


Yes, I totally agree.
---Nana on 3/26/08


Yes, we need health insurance for the working people who do not have it with their jobs, as well as college students who are not covered by their parents' insurance for whatever reason. It is a disgrace that we have so many uninsured people in this country.
---Trish9863 on 3/25/08


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