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Each dead soul is sealed for heaven or hell: so if you were to die today without warning, where do you think or know where you would go, and why?

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I am saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. I fear God and cannot say anything for sure about where I am going. It's not a lack of confidence. The bible teaches that we are not to guess about who will ascend into heaven or decent into the deep. Jesus decides these things and He is our hope. I am not yet perfect and so find myself working "out my salvation with fear and trembling". This is my lifestyle and Jesus is my HOPE. I have to pray for selflessness daily.:)
---jody on 5/12/08


Jesus Christ did die for all sins. But everyone doesn't go to heaven. They will be thrown into darkness and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. There are too many scriptures to list to prove this. Hell was made for satan and his angels. God didn't make hell for man. But a man that chooses satan will send himself to hell. Read Revelation.
---melann on 4/4/08


Bless you too Nana. Thank you for your input and I will continue to seek God on this, but for now, I know what God has shown me. If HE shows me something different, well then, as always, I will go with what HE tells me, since HE knows best. Being that I am seeker of HIS truth, I will continue to seek Him in all matters, above what any man (or woman) tells me regarding His Word. :-)
---Holly4jc on 4/4/08


Holly4jc,
Listen to Emcee in what he says. As you wrote, it
was all good until about half-way into your blog,
you turned back to where you came from. That
is called justification.
---Nana on 4/4/08


Holly4jc,
God never changes, nor has he changed what is it
that he considers good. Hebrews 6:1, "...let us go
on unto perfection, not laying again the foundation
of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward
God ,..." There is such as "dead works" and there
are works highly esteemed by God.
---Nana on 4/4/08




Holly4jc,
Thanks for the blessing and God Bless You Too!
---Nana on 4/4/08


re:Mark & others
When My Lord/Brother/Master said that, He had'nt Died for the Sins of Man yet...
God Can't DWELL in you, IF your NOT GOOD!
Does Your God(Father) Dwell in the heart of evil men?
Does he dwell in those that "DO" NO GOOD?
Do you need the Verses that say "He that doeth Righteousness IS Righteous"?

Most of You keep the Ways that you've been taught by your Fathers & Your Preachers, Not, the WAYS of Our/MY Lord & Brother.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/3/08


"Christ died for ALL sins, Everyone will eventually make it to heaven... Superior translations that have come out over the course of the last couple hundred years have shown that non-believers go through a correction, not eternal torment... He died for everyone.
---Ryan_Z on 3/28/08

Almost Ryan Z. None of us do life perfectly. ALL of us will be gently and lovingly corrected.
---deb on 4/3/08


2) In this, God was well pleased because man was doing acts of righteousness that God set forth, which are pleasing to Him. Since the new Covenant has not been instilled yet, this was all that man could do to please God, be obedient to His ways. However, Cain and his offering are a picture of the New Testament covenant, where OUR ideas/works of righteousness are never good enough for God and that our ideas of what is good enough for salvation is not what Gods ideas are.
---Holly4jc on 4/3/08


3) This is described in Isaiah 64:6, its a picture of us needing salvation through the new Covenant, Jesus's death/resurrection, where God declares that OUR own works of righteousness are as filthy rags. Now I know not all of you are going to necessarily see this or understand this, but I know that this is what God showed me. He would not let me answer this blog for a few days, because He wanted me to seek Him first on this matter, so that's what I did. Whether you agree or disagree, God bless you anyway!
---Holly4jc on 4/3/08




1) As I was lying in bed last night, I was praying to God, asking Him for the revelation of Isaiah 64:5 and then 64:6. What He showed me is that the favor He was speaking of in 64:5 towards those who do righteousness, is the same favor He showed towards Abel, when Abel brought his offering to God. Abel and his offering are a picture of the Old Testament of man pleasing God by offering God acts (works) of righteousness by Gods standards, not mans.
---Holly4jc on 4/3/08


#3. All have turned aside, together they have gone wrong, no one does good, not even one" Those are the words of the Lord. A person has to be born of the Spirit to be imputed the righteousness of Christ. Otherwise all his righteousness are as filthy rags. When a true Christian does works of righteousness he does them in the name of the Lord. Without Christ his righteousness are futle. For they are not in for the glory of Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/08


Eloy is confused and not able to discern Scripture. He believes thre is righteous people out there who are not saved. That they too make it to heaven. He believes as Catholics that in order to gain grace a person must do good deeds. He also believes if that person sins, he loses his grace and goes to hell. None of that is biblical. Another gospel that in not from Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/08


#2. "Enter not into judgment with thy servant, for no man living is righteous before Thee" Psalm 143:2. And in Ecclesiastes 7:20, "Surely there is not a righteous man on earth who does good and never sins" and in Romans 3:9-13 "...for I have already charged that all men, both Jews and Greeks, are under the power of sin, as it is written, None is righteous, no not one, no one understands, no one seeks for God
---Mark_V. on 4/3/08


God wants a truly PERSONAL relationship with us (His spirit yearns jealously, James 4:5). Do not deprive The Lord of a personal relationship with you. He does not want a relationship with a fan of the apostles or Bereans, or patriarchs, or 'heritage scholars', bible lovers, or lawyers of commandments and ordinances, He wants YOU (the REAL you, He is a JEALOUS God).

The heaven we seek should not be FUTURE, the hell we want to avoid should not be FUTURE, nor is the "strong delusion" FUTURE.
---greg on 4/3/08


I would go straight to heaven by the grace of God. I surely do not deserve it. I have been faithful. And I have endured. I have also been rebellious. Why I continuously asking God to forgive me.
---catherine on 4/3/08


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Two years ago, I decided to stop going to church and learn from GOD'S SPIRIT only. He taught me much more than the institutions of man ever taught.

In Revelation, we learn that there will be a NEW HEAVEN and a new earth. As Christians, if we are saddened/disgusted ("poor in spirit") by all the iniquity in the world (hatred/resentment, backstabbing/betrayal, corruption, etc.), then we'll have a PRESENT heaven in our heart AND MIND (Matthew 5:3).
---greg on 4/3/08


The 'IDENTITY CRISIS OF CHRISTIANITY' is that we 'abase' (abate/abandon) a true sense of SELF and can no longer PERSONally relate to or identify with God (or ANYTHING/anyone). God warns us about this in Colossians 2:18 and 23.

We should be pursuing 'identity in/with' Christ by having rigtheousness in our heart AND MIND (Romans 12:2) instead of trying to conform to the book and man's institutional rules (we should "WALK BY THE SPIRIT"(Galatians 5:16 and 25).
---greg on 4/3/08


I totally agree with---Mark_V. The understanding of the righteousness of Christ Being a necessity imputed to us, being our ticket to heaven is my understanding of Scripture also.
---Mima on 4/3/08


There is no righteous people without the righteousness of Christ. Eloy, is wrong. Only when a person is born of the Spirit, does he receive the righteousness of Christ. It is imputed to him, Something every believer should know by now. All other righteousness is as filthy rags. For every self righteous is sin if it does not come from Christ.
---Mark_V. on 4/3/08


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Rebecca,
I do not deny what Isaiah 64:6 says. What I deny
is the generalization that you now, and Holly4jc
before you have made. Could you please read the
verses that Eloy indicated and compare them to
what he expounds?
---Nana on 4/3/08


Nana: Yes it does say in Isaiah that all our righteousness are as filthy rags. Isaiah 64:6 (KJV) says But we are all as an unclean thing and all our righteousness are as filthy rags and we all do fade as a leaf and our iniquities, like the wind have taken us away. No one has added to this verse. It is quoted differently in different bibles, but it still has the same meaning.
---Rebecca_D on 4/1/08


holly, c/p verses and attaching other meanings to them is wrong. Isaiah was not condemning works of righteousness, but instead he was speaking of the hypocrits. Isaiah does not say that all righteousnesses of the Lord's servants are filthy rags, but instead he says that all the righteousnesses of the evil-doers are as filthy rags. Please Read- Isaiah 64:5-12+ 65:1-3,11-18.
---Eloy on 4/1/08


holly, you are misapplying scripture, the "we" in Isaiah 64:6 is the same "we" as in the immediately previous verse, Isaiah 64:5, lit.Hb: "You meet him who rejoices and works righteousness, they remembered you in your ways. Note you are angry because we sinned, in them unfinishing, and we will be saved." For the truth, you need to keep verses in the right context. Please Read- Isaiah 64:5-12+ 65:1-3,11-16.
---Eloy on 4/1/08


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holly, Faith without works is filthy rags: but good works with faith is whiter than snow.
---Eloy on 4/1/08


Titus 3:4-7

But when the kindness and the love of God our Savior toward man appeared, not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
---Holly4jc on 4/1/08


Ephesians 2:
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works, lest anyone should boast. For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.


This is the Word of the Lord...not my own words.
---Holly4jc on 4/1/08


Matthew 5:48 (from the Amplified Bible in order to give a fuller and more accurate meaning of what the word "perfect" in the Greek means):

You, therefore, must be perfect [growing into complete maturity of godliness in mind and character, having reached the proper height of virtue and integrity], as your heavenly Father is perfect.

---Holly4jc on 4/1/08


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Holly::"Salvation is a free gift from God"Really!Why does he say "Follow me" what does that mean to you?"Be Perfect as your Heavenly Father is Perfect"Holly You have to prove that you're worthy to reach HIS standard,you are made to His Likeness.He wants to meet you on HIS TERMS not Yours."Nothing defiled enters Heaven"This is My belief its straight sane and simple and congruent with HIS WORD.The answer is to stay in HIS Grace Not your understanding of His grace.
---Emcee on 4/1/08


DDM. You are confused. First death= body returns to dust, soul goes to (Hebrew= sheol, Greek=hades, english=hell) a "holding cell" to wait ("sleeping" no concept of time or anything else) for the resurrection & judgement. Source= Bible= God's Word.
---Chip on 4/1/08


Per Nana: You are wrong to say that "all" men's righteousness are "filthy rags". Isaiah did not say it.

Nana...I did not say it...that's what it says in my Bible, Isaiah 64:6, just as I cut and pasted it from the Bible. I did not make this up or add any words.

Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and ALL our righteous acts are like filthy rags, we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
---Holly4jc on 4/1/08


From what i've learned, we'll know our surroundings & whats going on, But, we won't know whats happening on Earth.
I thing I do KNOW is when we die, WE don't go straight to Heaven in a twinkling of an Eye to be Judged right then.
Were not floating around waiting for Judgment day, That's for sure!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/1/08


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1)
Isaiah 64:5: "Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh
righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways: behold,
thou art wroth, for we have sinned: in those is continuance,
and we shall be saved."
He was including himself in the group of those who
made the Lord "wroth". Yet, he recognized the better man,
for whom God hath even saved and by whom there had been
"continuance".
---Nana on 4/1/08


2)
You are wrong to say that "all" men's righteousness are
"filthy rags". Isaiah did not say it. "So He said to him, Why do
you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But
if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments." And
you make of it that a righteous man is garbage? Far from it you
are. Why, you use Scripture to suit your purpose, for Jesus said
that not even Him is good.
---Nana on 4/1/08


3)
Yet you say, "far from it Lord!". But for your brother you hold
an evil eye! Don't you rebuke our Lord? Matt 16:22: "Then
Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from
thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee." Yes you do, even God
says, "be ye holy" and you say, we can't!. The Lord said that
there is Joy in heaven over one sinner that repents, but your
words make of Salvation a recipe for "Pigs in a blanket".
---Nana on 4/1/08


4)
Joy over whom repents and walks away from the sin they
lived, "lest a worse thing come unto" them! (John 5:14).
Shameful ladies that speak of such as should be kept in their
modesty...! When the Lord said, Matthew 7:6: "Give not that
which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before
swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again
and rend you." Don't you see that it is not "pigs" who have
pearls, neither holiness?
---Nana on 4/1/08


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5)
Matthew 6:26: "Behold the fowls of the air: for they sow not,
neither do they reap, nor gather into barns, yet your heavenly
Father feedeth them. Are ye not much better than they?" Hey,
that's a new one on you, that we are better than something!
John 13:34: "A new commandment I give unto you, That ye
love one another, as I have loved you, that ye also love one
another."
---Nana on 4/1/08


6)
I hardly consider a man who stives to love as preciously as
the Lord loves us a filthy rag! Get your eyes off of the lower
and base things and set your sights were you are commanded.
I see a fake humility that is betrayed by the pride in some of
your words. If you'll be proud, be proud for something
worthwile.
---Nana on 4/1/08


Heaven! Because of the blood of Jesus! He abides in me and I abide in Him.
We aren't saved by works but because we are saved we were created for good works that we should walk in them.
---melann on 4/1/08


Truth seekers still seeking the truth will be saved. People who have been told the truth but refuse to accept it will not make it. As a truth seeker earnestly seeking the truth of Jesus and His Testamony and keeping his covenant, I will be saved.
---Dr.Rich on 4/1/08


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1) Emcee...I do not have a vendetta against works. Afterall, the Bible does say, "Faith without works is dead", however, the Bible does not say "Salvation without works is dead". Salvation is a free gift from God. Our salvation is not dependent upon our works, good works that stem from our faith come after and as a result of our salvation. I'm all for doing good works unto the Lord, I purpose to live my life that way each and every day.
---Holly4jc on 3/31/08


2) Sometimes I fail, because I am not perfect, but I keep pressing onward to the goal. I just know that it was not my good works that I did before I received Jesus that saved me, nor is it my good works I am doing after my salvation that will secure my place in heaven. It was Jesus's sacrifice on the cross at Calvary and the shedding of His Blood that saved me. Thank you Jesus! :-)
---Holly4jc on 3/31/08


Emcee...I'm sorry that you just don't seem to understand the context in which that scripture in Isaiah 64:6 was written. I explained it as best I could. You will need the Spirit of God to bring you to a full understanding. But as far as us being righteous in Christ...this is what the Bible says:

2 Corinthians 5:21
For He made Him who knew no sin to be sin for us, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
---Holly4jc on 3/31/08


Holly ::We are argueing at cross purposes I talk about the NT and you revert to the OT.Your vendetta against works is your understanding. My formula is what Jesud did when He was alive "Follow me" He says- not what was to be.
---Emcee on 3/31/08


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Holly::"If" we are in christ Jesus he sees us as righteous---But are we Righteous? if so, sin is abolished and all these blogs with people writing their shortcomings is a MYTH.so his words,"I came to save sinners" is null and void and we are all walking SAINTS:and the saying "we are all born short of the glory of God" is all huey louie & dewey too. so what need is there for salvation this is also a myth.You sure got the movie going backwards.
---Emcee on 3/31/08


1) Emcee: This statement from God was made in Isaiah in the Old Testament and God was talking about us trying to justify ourselves and prove our righteousness to Him by our works alone. That is what God is speaking of as being filthy rags, anything that is of our own works. But, if we are in Christ Jesus, God sees us as righteous because of the righteousness of Christ, not because of our own works.
---Holly4jc on 3/31/08


2) So, if we belong to Jesus and are in HIM, then we are made righteous because of the work He did on the cross. This statement is not talking about our good works that we do unto the Lord after our salvation, it's about good works without salvation that we try to do to gain salvation. It states that no matter what we do, we could never be good enough to be considered righteous by God if we are without Jesus.
---Holly4jc on 3/31/08


to be absent from this body will be to be present with the Lord.
---Andrea on 3/31/08


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To be absent from body, present with Jesus. It would seem so, there is no time when you die. Could be millions of years but to you....close eyes in death, open eyes at the judgement. No one is in heaven yet, Jesus has not returned & we have not been judged.
---Chip on 3/31/08


Holly ::I have todisagree with that statement God does Not look down on our attempts at being Good (Righteous).Because He said"Follow me "Jesus was pure,the epitome of Righteousness.We are called to reach a stage of perfection as we are made to His Image and likeness.Your theory leads to despair, which squelches all hope.
---Emcee on 3/31/08


You're right Catherine in your translation of "filthy rags". That is how God sees our own attempt at being righteous, which is exactly why we need Jesus, our Savior.
---Holly4jc on 3/31/08


All of their right living amounted to filthy rags. FILTHY RAGS refers to the menstrual periods of a woman. Wow! what education!.
---catherine on 3/31/08


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1) Where is it written that he said, "none are good, no, not one" as
well as "our righteousness is as filthy rags to Him"
---Nana on 3/29/08

Isaiah 64:6
All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags, we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
---Holly4jc on 3/30/08


2) Matt 19:17

So He said to him, Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.
---Holly4jc on 3/30/08


I welcome you Greg. I've been on CN for several years, please don't loose hope.
'Mudslinging' has definately been on the rise for the last couple of months. This has happened before, but the 'slingers' generally get bored and move on. Kepp posting your positive remarks! God bless.
---NVBarbara on 3/30/08


Frances, if you feel "attacked", it is not I who have done so, it is "truth" that has made you feel that way (it is love/His spirit that is killing the beast in the darkness). Your heart has been attacked [in the past], but now experience the freedom and peace of The Lord.
---greg on 3/29/08


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"I said that if death is figurative then so is the gift of life. Get it?" I do. Amen 1st Cliff. And this is eternal life, that we may know the One True God and our LORD Jesus, The Christ. Life is in Christ, (the burden removing, yoke destroying power of God), in Christ we have life. By a complete unwavering confidence in the atonement of Jesus we will arise stand with Him in the Heaven of His millennial reign. Until that time we wait, whether alive or dead.
---joseph on 3/29/08


1) May I remind everyone of how Jesus handled the situation He was in when false accusations (aka slanderous words) were being made against Him?:

Matt 27:12-14
And while He was being accused by the chief priests and elders, He answered nothing.
Then Pilate said to Him, "Do You not hear how many things they testify against You?" But He answered him not one word, so that the governor marveled greatly.
---Holly4jc on 3/29/08


3) God reminded me of these very scriptures. Well...even though the assault continued until the next day when we left to come home, I said not a word, just as God instructed me to do. As a matter of fact, she even owed me money still for the trip and on the way home, God even told me to forgive her the debt and NOT to collect any money from her. So when she asked what she owed me, I told her nothing, don't worry about it. (I am not telling this story to toot my own horn, only as an example and...
---Holly4jc on 3/29/08


4) .. if I loose a blessing from God for telling it, then it's worth it to be able to use it as an example to others). I even apologized and asked forgiveness for anything I might have said or done that was hurtful to her. The true test of being a Christian is to be able to do as Jesus did in similar situations. Our witness and testimony is so much more important than coming back at someone (especially being nasty to them) when they are attacking you, whether it's a real...
---Holly4jc on 3/29/08


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2) And then there's this scripture:

Proverbs 15:1
A soft answer turns away wrath, but a harsh word stirs up anger.


Recently I went on a mini-vacation with a Christian (wowan) friend of mine. Well...towards the end of the trip (our last evening there), she really got nasty with me and said some very hurtful and horrible things to me. I went in the bathroom and started to pray and seek God on what to do.
---Holly4jc on 3/29/08


5) ...or perceived attack or even a misunderstood post or word. That is the world's way of reacting and we are not of this world. We are to be a witness of something very different than the world. Let others marvel at us just as Poncius Pilate marveled at Jesus's reaction. It's one thing to come against false teachings or to discuss scripture back and forth with zeal, but it's not ok to attack the person as an individual, hurling personal insults to them or other vicious words. Agreed?
---Holly4jc on 3/29/08


And one more thing...may I also remind everyone that this is a PUBLIC BLOG SITE, so everyone has the right to add a blog posting to any discussion and no one should tell anyone else who can and cannot join in. If you don't like what someone has posted, just don't respond. Who are we to tell someone they cannot participate in an open blog forum? All the posts are scanned first by the Moderators, so if the post should not be posted, it won't be. Let's all play nice and not grieve the Holy Spirit. :-)
---Holly4jc on 3/29/08


You that claim Jesus saved you, he said:
Mark 13:31: "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words
shall not pass away."
Where is it written that he said, "none are good, no, not one" as
well as "our righteousness is as filthy rags to Him"
---Nana on 3/29/08


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1st Cliff, you are full of jokes. I don't even think of taking your stand seriously.
---frances008 on 3/29/08


Christ died for ALL sins, Everyone will eventually make it to heaven. The traditional belief of "hell" is innacurate. Superior translations that have come out over the course of the last couple hundred years have shown that non-believers go through a correction, not eternal torment. This is the good news of the Christ He died for everyone.
---Ryan_Z on 3/28/08


MarkV::Sorry you do not even understand HUMOUR when served up to you on a golden Platter.Your ability to see something which isn't there astounds even the mot feeble minded. Q.what is the weight of a sin in GRAMS or HWT.
---Emcee on 3/28/08


MarkV::"Faith without Good works IS DEAD"when Jesus was on this earth He showed us HIS love By works. Now if you do not wish to follow Him and make your OWN ADGENDA.so be it.But Please do not use YOUR words to justify your thoughts and Beliefs as His truths because they are yours"Follow ME "He said believing is not enough.show some intestinal fortitude in action!James2:14-18
---Emcee on 3/28/08


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Yes, Greg, and now you know how it feels. You supported the slanderers (in ignorance) and you came in to attack me viciously just because I asked for Melann to keep out of a discussion that she had no part in in the beginning. That annoyed you. So you took to attacking me. You CALLED me 'audacious'. So you are a hypocrite for saying what you just said. You started the slanging match.
---frances008 on 3/28/08


Frances, if you look closely you'll see that I referenced (but the gift of God is eternal life)When I said that if death is figurative then so is the gift of life.Get it?
---1st_cliff on 3/28/08


1) Thank you to you too Mark V. Yes, Emcee certainly does have a way with words! I understand exactly what he means by the weighing of works, since I am from a Jewish background and most Jews believe they go to heaven if the good they did in their life outweighs the bad. (Of course they do not use the New Testament, where God shows you how you can be saved...and the sad thing is that Emcee does have it and yet goes about as if he doesn't have it!)
---Holly4jc on 3/28/08


2) Jews believe you just need to be a good person. I guess they forget that only God judges what is good and His standard is much, much different than ours! I believe His Word says somewhere, "none are good, no, not one" as well as "our righteousness is as filthy rags to Him". Thats a pretty tough standard of good to meet, not to mention perfectly following 613 laws and 10 commandments...daily!!! Thank God for the Blood of Jesus and His death on the cross! Hallelujah!
---Holly4jc on 3/28/08


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Hello sister Holly, I wanted to comment on something I said some time back to either Greyrider, Emcee, Ruben or Ed. I said their salvation process was similar to the Muslims, by works. The Muslims believe their actions in life are weighted on a scale and the side that weights more will determine where they go after death. While the Catholics believe that by their works they again grace, and if they accumilate grace they are going to heaven, but if they sin, they lose the grace and are heading to hell.
---Mark_V. on 3/28/08


#2. Holly: Lucky for the Muslims they don't lose what grace they gain and all they have to do is make sure to gain more to make it in. Emcee by his answer to you, made my case. He said, "your sins are weighted on the scale you tread upon, thereafter is the result to operate the mechanism that trips the switch to the trap door" With his own words he has admitted that works is the process of salvation for the RCC. Christ blood was not sufficient to save,
---Mark_V. on 3/28/08


#3. Holly: Jesus death was meaningless, His works on the cross of no effect. Heck, in his believes Jesus didn't have to die after all. Since all they have to do is enough good deeds to make it in. Many other denominations teach works, because they have carried the same believes from the RCC. They teach a different gospel. I thank Emcee for making it possible to make my statements clear. He does have a way with words.
---Mark_V. on 3/28/08


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