Hitler, Mussolini Hirohito
In World War II, the leaders of the Axis countries were: Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito. World War II cost about $500 (in 1940s money) and millions of deaths. Do you think the Axis country's leaders went to heaven after their deaths?
Moderator - No, however I have heard some of the OSAS crowd say Hitler is in heaven because he was going to enter the priesthood when he was 18.
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Salvation is not limited by the quantity, or heinousness of a persons crimes, but by receiving, or not receiving, Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. There is neither evidence that Hitler, Mussolini, and Hirohito (Showa), nor Churchill, Roosevelt, or de Gaulle received the Lord, 2Corinthians 7:10. If any of them did, it must have been at the end of their life. Matthew 18:11, Luke 1:69, John 3:15-16, Acts 4:12, 16:31, Romans 10:9, 10, Galatians 1:3-4, Ephesians 2:8-9, 1Thesalonians 5:9, 1Timothy 2:4, 2Timothy 1:10, Hebrews 5:9, 7:25, 1Peter 1:5, 1John 3:5, 4:9-10, 15.
---Glenn on 5/4/09|
They couldn't be in heaven. No one has yet been resurrected.
---Kim2u on 9/29/08|
Alan, Let me explain why I believe in OSAS doctrine. Faith is a personal confidence in God. Faith pleases God and allows Him to act on behalf of those who honor Him by believing His Word (Heb. 11:6). It brings with it the blessings of honoring God. True faith is exercised four ways, as a Spiritual unduced confidence which causes a person to trust Christ as his sin-bearer (Acts 16:31, Eph. 2:8,9), as a confidence in God which prompts a believer to yield his redeemed life to God's will, (Rom. 12:1,2) and denotes the believer's confidence in Christ as his sustaining grace and divine power, (Rom. 6:11) which produces the fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22). If I didn't have that faith, then I would not one of His children.
---Mark_V. on 7/9/08|
Ruben, you just don't get it. I think any child could explain it to you. I don't even think that a person has to be born again to get those simple words. I will never leave you" very simple. Never leave you. You can run, you can hide, you can do whatever you so desire to do and you will not be able to get away from God. If God had said, "I will not leave unless you want me to" Then never would not have been used. But it was. Never means never.
Your prodigal son story says, he was saved and then died and then came back and was born again. He was dead from birth Ruben. Spiritually dead from Adam. All are born spiritually dead. Separation from God. When saved, they are born of the Spirit. Eph.2:1-10.
---Mark_V. on 7/8/08|
Mark ... We may be saying the same things but in a different way.
That happens too in the Catholic accusations.
Perhaps neither of us read carefully enough what the others says.
It's time to move on from this!!!
---alan_of_UK on 7/7/08|
Alan, I wanted to make something clear to you. When I said you didn't believe, I meant the OSAS topic. Which is really a fact. That is not something I can do for anyone. It is something one has to believe in his heart. When I say, you don't believe in all the Bible, it is because of the answers you give to others. Where others have concluded it is all truth even if they don't understand it all. I don't find you or anyone a threat to God's Work since I believe He will save whom He wills, when He wills. No one can stop the Spirit, coming to someone's heart. Not even man's own power. You are a brother Alan, and I know that, with different believes then mine. I would never condemn you.
---Mark_V. on 7/6/08|
Alan, you are Emcee don't threaten anyone, since it is God who saves, not you are him. He defends the RCC and made it clear only through the RCC you can be saved. Pride. You on the other hand don't defend a postion. From the evidence you give, You wonder about things when others have already committed God's Word is all Truth. You have not.
Second, I think I have given you enough answers from Scripture, and you cannot get it or won't.
Third, I've answered your question on 7/2. I told you that anyone who is born of the Spirit has the faith God gave them to believe that Christ with His sustaining power will keep them to the day of the Lord. They are forgiven sinners, covered with the righeousness of Christ. You refuse to believe that Truth.
---Mark_V. on 7/5/08|
Mark V You ask where you have misrepresented me. ... I think if you read my recent posts you will find that I have already shown how what you have claim I have said or beleived is in clearly not what I had said.
---alan_of_UK on 7/5/08|
Mark V No you have not called me evil ... that's not what I said. I was just pointing out that you treatr me in the same way as you accuse Emcee of threating someone else.
You continue to misrepresent me, and in spite of what you have said, and now still say, you have not answered my query. See mine of 7/2.
Yes I suppose my acceptance of Eloy's condemnation is different from my reaction to yours ... he cruelly condemns me, but he does that to everyone, whereas you seem to single me out for condemnation.
---alan_of_UK on 7/4/08|
Alan, When two people introduced Satan I called them evil. Only someone who has an evil intend will do that to someone else. If the blog was about Satan it would be different but it is not. They give room for him to enter the answers and join us in our conversations about God.
I have never called you evil Alan. How do I misrepresent you? I have answered all of your questions, you just don't get it. If I answer another you won't get it. If someone really wanted to learn about any topic, there is enough information that they are without excuse. Don't wonder, find out. I noticed that you got condemned real bad this time by Eloy, yet you treat him with gold gloves. He blaspheme Christ, why are your answers to me different then to him?
---Mark_V. on 7/3/08|
Mark V, there is a lot of evidence nowadays that what you say is true. There are people with stubborn ideas that, due to their pride, or deception, they do not wish to let go of. If they took a look in the Bible they would acknowledge that their lives are controlled by the evil one, but they don't, and so they depend on others putting them in the picture. But when we do so, they don't like it, do they? These people question everything that is in the Bible, or reinterpret the Bible to suit their lifestyles, and then wonder why they are not enlightened by the Spirit of Truth, and why they lack faith in the Word. It is like they are caught in a web of their own making.
---frances008 on 7/3/08|
Mark said:Ruben, How can you leave Him with your free will when He said "Never"?
Mark, you just don't get, "You can walk away" from the Lord like the Podrigal Son did. God said HE(God) himself will never leave you, no where does he say and that is why YOU can not leave!
The prodigal son was dead as you said. All descentants of Adam are born Spiritually dead.
Mark the Podrigal Son was already safe and left the Father and came back and was saved again! " I want my share of your estate now(Saved) for this my son was dead(Unsaved), and is alive again,(Saved AGAIN) (Luke 15:12,24) And Mark this has nothing to do with Adam because Jesus said "A man had two sons. "
---Ruben on 7/3/08|
Mark V ... Elsewhere you call another blogger an evil man, accusing him of not writing what you said (misrepresentation of what you said) and of not answering question put to him.
You have done the same to me several times, here and on other blogs, and over a period of months.
Pots & kettles. motes and beams?
---alan_of_UK on 7/3/08|
You continue to misrepresent what I say.
And you refuse to answe the one simple question that I ask.
I wonder why?
---alan_of_UK on 7/3/08|
Ruben, you refuse to get it. You could use a truck and drive away as far as you could, and you would not be able to separate from the Lord, period. "He will never leave you" is a fact from God. Did He (God) not use "Never"? How can you leave Him with your free will when He said "Never"?
The prodigal son was dead as you said. All descentants of Adam are born Spiritually dead. Not one breath in them. When someone finds himself at a point in life, when he is the lowest, he is a candidate for salvation as the prodigal son did. It is when we see a need for Christ that we come to Him. That need arises from the Spirit when He comes to us and begins to work in our hearts.
---Mark_V. on 7/3/08|
Alan, you don't seem to be getting anything. You don't get it. How can I, a forgiven sinner, living thousands of miles from you, make you get it? Only the Holy Spirit can allow you to know who God is. You have to know who He is in order to get it? If in your heart, you truely needed help to get it, you would have got it already. I am not trying to make you believe in OSAS, I cannot, you have to believe in the sustaining power of Christ in order to believe in OSAS. I cannot make you believe that. I am not God. I got it when I studied the Sovereignty of God. I learned who God really was. Some are happy not knowing that, others don't really care. It all depends on how sincere we are about our salvation for if we ask God, He will show us.
---Mark_V. on 7/3/08|
Mark said :Ruben,
If God who is Creator of the Universe and all that is in it, says to the true believer, "I will never leave you" which means he is glued to you, how can you leave Him?
I would say because of free will, just look at the podrigal son for example : Did the Father(God) keep his Son from leaving? No! Could the Father(God) stop him? Yes
Mark said :
Luke on the prodigal son pictures all sinners (related to God the Father by creation) who wasted their potential privilages and refuse any relationship with Him, he was a candidate for salvation (Matt. 5:3-6).
Mark he was saved from the beginning " "for this son of mine was dead and has come to life again,"(Luke 15:24)
---Ruben on 7/2/08|
What makes Christians think there still sinners? Through Adam we are sinners, through Christ we are made righteous. We will never be made righteous through repentance of sin, because mankind will always sin, over and over again. The cross sets you free. HE died for a reason.
---duane on 7/2/08|
If God who is Creator of the Universe and all that is in it, says to the true believer, "I will never leave you" which means he is glued to you, how can you leave Him? How in all creation can you leave someone who will never leave you? Can you explain that? Even a child can understand.
Luke on the prodigal son pictures all sinners (related to God the Father by creation) who wasted their potential privilages and refuse any relationship with Him, lost from Adam, choosing instead a life of self-indulgence. Who wasted his life by prodigal living. 15:17 "came to himself" came to his senses. When his incessant sinning had left him utterly bankrupt and hungry, he was a candidate for salvation (Matt. 5:3-6).
---Mark_V. on 7/2/08|
Mark ... What do you need a scripture passage for?
That we are to reprent of our siins? The Bible is littered with the that. And you yourself have said it.
That we go on sinning after we are saved? Paul implies it, and you yourslef have said it.
There is no need for a scripture to put the two together and say that the post salvation sins should be repented.
So my question is totally valid. Perhaps I should simplify it for you ... What happens if these later sins are not repented?
OSAS seems to say we even if we don't repent of these, we remain saved. But perhaps it is that that I am getting wrong?
---alan_of_UK on 7/2/08|
Alan, if you have a Scripture passage for me to answer, give it to me. Otherwise whatever I say you will turn it around somehow. I have answered your question. If you have something useful, something that can be for the glory of God at least for today, I will do my best to answer you. If not, I do not care to argue with you. Wasted time is sin. I do not care to do that Alan, and I will move on.
---Mark_V. on 7/1/08|
The doctrine of OSAS is a true doctrine. There is no fault in the doctrine. It is base only on the works of God. His promises, His sustaining power, His promise that no matter come hell or high water He will never leave us or foresake us.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/08
Yes Mark God will never leave us, but we can leave him just read the prodigal Son in Luke 15: 11-32. The Son ask for the Father(GOD) for his inheritance(eternal life) and the Father granted his wish. The Father when his son return said "
"For this my son was dead,(Unsaved) and is alive again,(SAVED AGAIN) he was lost, and is found. Luke 15:24
---Ruben on 7/1/08|
Mark V Do you read words in a different way? Your persistent misunderstadning of what I say really puzzles and concerns me.
I said earlier, " ... we are told in the Bible to repent of our sins, and since we continue to sin after we are saved ... continued repentance is needed ..."
Was that not clear? How on earth can you now say to me "You assumed because they were saved they didn't have to repent since they are saved"
I did not ask you "Why I (that is you) believe God has saved me (you)
I asked about OSAS, and the apparent effect of it that you can continue to sin, and neglect to repent, and still be saved
---alan_of_UK on 7/1/08|
On the other hand, Mark V, you might be right. I find it fairly easy to believe that some people will never believe in God even though they know He is true. They just have too much pride. These people seem bent on self destruction, there is no other explanation. They are a different group to the believers who are spiritually blind and in fact (not deliberately) disobeying some of the commandments. So, yes, I can see predestination in there. It seems a bit unfortunate if some were made for destruction, like Hitler (to use a cliche.) It would not mean that we should not witness to them all because we don't know who is going to be saved like the apostle Paul.
---frances008 on 7/1/08|
Alan, you ask, "why do Christian repent" I gave you my answer. You assumed because they were saved they didn't have to repent since they are saved, connecting to the false theory that since they are saved they can sin all they want. Why I believe God has saved me? I tell you again, "because I belief in His Word." Believing His Word by faith, and you still do not believe His whole Word, only some of it.
Strongaxe, you are correct, many think they are saved and only God really knows. The reason Scripture continues to teach us, to make our salvation sure, is for that reason. It gives us conduct, teaches us what is Truth and what is not. Does the Spirit testify to our hearts? Do we truely have a love for Christ?
---Mark_V. on 7/1/08|
Mark ... God has sustained me through temptations, after sin, through pain, losses, other peoples pains and losses, through a time when I did not know God was there.
And you know that on many previous occasions you have repeated the misreprestation that I think I do things in my power.
Can't yuo think of a better way to answer an honest question about your Predestination/OSAS doctrine? Why don't you just answer it?
---alan_of_UK on 6/30/08|
The Bible says 'work out your salvation in fear and trembling'. This seems to point out that OSAS is wrong. If it was a simple matter of believing in Jesus and then carrying on, perhaps a little better, but not really worrying about your fate, then there is a danger that you were not saved really and are committing some unknown sins, like idol worship. If on the other hand, you don't believe in OSAS, even if it is true, the only danger is that you will search the Scriptures humbly every day to try and find out if you are sinning. The Bible says we are to fear God who has the ability to cast our souls into hell. Even if you believe in OSAS, you could be wrong and that is not a risk I would take.
---frances008 on 6/30/08|
I am not clear on the concept regarding OSAS.
Does this mean that once one has done the things he must do to be saved, even if he commits evil acts again, that he is still saved? And avoids Hell?
Or is repentance required?
Anyway, what moral guidance does this provide, if no matter what you do, there are no consequences and long as your are saved and regularly repent?
Committing evil without consequence is something that is assigned, however wrongly, to atheists. But this appears to be something that is by defintion, uniquely Christian.
---atheist on 6/30/08|
That's certainly true - God knows the outcome, but we don't.
Of course, this is exactly the argument against OSAS - God may know if we're saved or not (and once saved, we may always be saved) - but WE don't know that for certain. After all, there are many people who THINK they are saved, but who will be rudely disappointed at the Final Judgment.
Still, we must use SOME discernment about going after "obviously lost" causes - otherwise Jesus would never have given the "pearls before swine" advice.
---StrongAxe on 6/30/08|
Because HELL is awaiting. Yes it is, if you do not get forgiveness of all your SINS. Jesus said so! Not one thing that you wrote is true. May God not have mercy on your soul.+++
---catherine on 6/30/08|
Alan, the reason true believer repent is because the Spirit convicts them of their sins when they do sin. You should know this already, why do you ask it again? When the Spirit convicts a believer, he feels the need to repent of what he has done. He has the Holy Spirit Alan. Hello? "Thus I doubt OSAS" you always doubt that. It is nothing new. You say, "it seems since they are saved already they have no need to repent" That is why it is an assumption on your part. You don't want to belief. You refuse to believe that Christ can sustain you. That God can make you stand. Scripture says, "Not by might, nor by power, but by My Spirit says the Lord" But you insist it is by your power or else.
---Mark_V. on 6/30/08|
Mark V ... You don't really address my question, perhaps you don't follow my simple question.
If we are Once saved and Always Saved ... why once this has happened, why do we subsequesntly need to repent, since our salvationis secured whatever we do?
I ask this, because it appears to me that since we are told in the Bible to repent of our sins, and since we continue to sin after we are saved ... continued repentance is needed to preserve our salvation.
Thus I doubt OSAS.
It would be helpful if yo would actually answer the question rather than condemn me so quickly.
Why condemn, when you could be explaining? Would that not be more valuable?
---alan_of_UK on 6/30/08|
Where do people get the idea that they need to repent of sin or hell is waiting? Where does it say we are judged for our sin? Wasnt Jesus already judged for our sin? I thought we were judged for our works? Works and sin are 2 different things.
Read your bibles and get it right.
---calhoon on 6/29/08|
Alan, read bottom of 6/26. I cannot understand? Now you ask me, "we are told to repent of our sins" and then you say, if OSAS it would seem it is not necessary?" First, the call to repentance is for everyone, lost, and believers. The question arises, who will understands the Bible? The Christian who is endwelled by the Spirit. He is convicted everyday of his sins. The lost do not repent on their own works, they need the Holy Spirit to come to them and convict them of their sins. The lost don't have the endwelling of the Spirit as we do. It "seems to you" that they don't need to repent which is an assumption on your part. Just as I said. It always seems to you one way that is always against what Scripture teaches.
---Mark_V. on 6/29/08|
Mark ... I made no assumption, made no statement, except that we are told to repent of our sins. I think that is a fact, as I seem to recall that we are told in the bible several times, at least once by Jesus, that we should repent of our sins.
Other than that, I asked a question.
I notice you have not answered it.
Sorry ... I did make an assumption, which was that you would be able to answer my question. Perhaps I was wrong in that assumption.
---alan_of_UK on 6/28/08|
Alan, you give assumptions and idea's with your questions. If this is not this way does it mean this? Or, if that is the way it is, does it mean something else. Scripture is written by God. He has spoken and even if you don't understand some things Scripture does not change for each individual who does not understand. Passages have been given to you about what God has said, and you still don't agree with them. There is no question as to who saves who. Even the most critical worker for works, will find that when he is on his knee's talking to the Father, he is not going to take credit for anything. He will thank God for his salvation. When he is standing up he takes credit for everything. It is pride.
---Mark_V. on 6/28/08|
Strongaxe, sometimes we do think it is futile, but we do not do thinks on what we think but where God guides us. He begans a work in someone and we are to follow where He is working. If I took my own advice and gave up on someone, it doesn't mean God will not bring that person to Christ because I was not there, God makes sure one of us is there. What I lose is the blessing for not trusting God that He would do the work as He did with Sarah. We need to be patient and wait. If I give up, no telling how many more times I will give up. Some have waited as I did, for our spouses to come to Christ, for a long time, and God came through and it was a wonderful miracle for our whole family. Praise be to God
---Mark_V on 6/28/08|
Sometimes it IS futile:
"Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you."
A more modern similar proverb is "Never try to teach a pig to sing - it doesn't work, and annoys the pig".
---StrongAxe on 6/28/08|
Frances, it is never a waste of time to talk to anyone about Christ. Some have ben talking to their spouses for years. I Know a man that worked with me, we discussed God all the time. He told me his wife had been trying to convert him to Christ for thirty years. Yet with me he was always open to learning. His wife never gave up, because she trusted God even though her prayers were not answered right away. God has a reason for the time, others come to Christ right away. Our calling is to continue to bring the good news to all. None of us know to whom God is going to have mercy on and when. He places us at places to bring the good news of the gospel. The one's that want to seek Christ, the Spirit has already began a work in them.
---Mark_V. on 6/27/08|
Mark V, thank you. I am confused about this, really. I don't know what to think. Does this mean that some people it is a waste of time talking to, and if they reject us as witnesses, we should just give up and leave them to God's judgement, without warning them? Maybe so. It rather upsets me because my family members are not saved. They do not say they are born again and get mad if i mention things of God.
---frances008 on 6/26/08|
We are told we should repent of our sins.
If OSAS it would seem that is no longer necesary?
Can anyone think they have been saved, have all the expereince and trust in God & faith of having been saved, and actually be deluded about this, because God has not elected one?
---alan_of_UK on 6/26/08|
Frances, The doctrine of OSAS is a true doctrine. There is no fault in the doctrine. It is base only on the works of God. His promises, His sustaining power, His promise that no matter come hell or high water He will never leave us or foresake us. What is false is the one's who think they are saved and do what they want. To begin with, they have no true faith in Christ since they are doing what they want. Another reason why it is important to believe in OSAS is because we are fully commiting our lives to Christ for every area of our lives, and Scripture commands us to make our salvation sure. Another reason is that when God brings His elect, those chosen from the foundations of the world to a saving faith, He will never lose a one.
---Mark_V. on 6/26/08|
---frances008 the hill you are trying to climb is too high for you. You will never be able to do enough. You wrote,"but they will be told 'Go away from me, you who do evil.' None who are saved will be told this because he also says, depart from me "I NEVER KNEW YOU" so if he never knew those he spoke those words too they were never saved. Surely you agree, he knows who is saved.
---Mima on 6/26/08|
OSAS means that once you were saved in your life you can never lose that salvation. Of course it is false because if it was true nobody who committed heinous acts but had at one point been a Christian, would be punished or would need to repent before going to Heaven. God is not mocked. Death bed confessions do not fool God. Salvation is a daily thing, that is why we need to put our helmet of salvation on each day and walk with the Lord, or we will discover that OSAS was just a doctrine of men and had no power to save us. Jesus says in Matthew 7 that many will come to him saying Lord Lord, but they will be told 'Go away from me, you who do evil.'
---frances008 on 6/25/08|
DDM ... I'm sorry if my comment have given you offence
Your post to which I first responded seemed to me to be saying that there was no reason for us to assume that Hitler and the other modern monsters had not been saved. After all, you seemed to be saying Saul/Paul killed thousands, and he got saved, so why not Hitler
I have no view about what Jesus would calle Saul/Paul ... but it is clear from the Bible that for whatever reason, he was renamed (perhaps by Christian colleagues) at some time, and that is the name that the Bible uses when referring to his actions and his teaching.
I haven't the foggiest idea what your final paragraph is asking! Sorry!
---alan_of_UK on 6/25/08|
I'm sure that they did'nt repent,
and i never intended to imply that they did, if i did?
I was just trying to keep the record straight when it came to Sauls name.
And while i'm on the subject of Saul/Paul,
I would bet, Jesus still calls him Saul.
Have you read where we will be given a new name that the Lord will write on a white stone and give us & some names will be written on the pillars of the New Jerusalem?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/25/08|
Moderator, I don't know what your intend was to include OSAS in your answer but I believe that by putting OSAS you condemn all who trust and believe in the promises of Christ, and His sustaining power. Sure there might be some crazies out there but they are in all area's, whether OSAS or not. Yet you mentioned one that you say was. How is it possible that you know he was? And what was your intend? You don't have to answer if you don't want to.
---Mark_V. on 6/25/08|
OK, DDM, maybe he was still named Saul hen he repented.
But the point is he repented, and led a changed life.
There is no evidence tht Hitler, et al, repented.
Certainly Mugabe has not repented.
---alan_of_UK on 6/24/08|
Alan_Saul didn't change to gentile name until the Jews started trying to kill years later, wasn't it like 15 years before he even met one of the D's?
I'll have to reread that , maybe it was 3 yrs?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/24/08|
Saul put many to death
As Paul, he repented.
There is no evidence that Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, Pol Pot, et al repented.
Nor that Rev Jones did
---alan_of_UK on 6/24/08|
Who in the world would think that these men who killed at least thousands and worse ordered their torture.I'm sure they enjoyed peoples suffering and maybe actively participated.There is absolutely no evidence that they repented of those horrible sins before there deaths!
---shirley on 6/22/08|
Sag .. the UK alone finished the war owing the USA much more than that (It took us years to pay the debt)
Add to that the cost of our own resources, and those of the Commonwelth countries, and all the other allies as well as the US itslf.
And then you ae th cost to the other side ....
500 milion must be a tiny fraction of the whole cost ...
---alan_of_UK on 6/22/08|
I was reading through this blog and noticed my error. World War II cost an estimated half-billion dollars or $500 MILLION. Proof positive that I am not perfect.
---sag on 6/22/08|
Each "Spitfire" fighter aircraft cost 750, (then $3000) so our "Lancaster" bombers must have cost much more ... that's before we count the ships and tanks, and ammunition and fuel.
Then of curse there is the cost of all the American aircraft and vessels.
The $500 figure is ludicrous for the whole war.
---alan_of_UK on 5/18/08|
I think the original poster is severely mistaken if he thinks World War Two cost only five hundred dollars, even in 1940s money.
---StrongAxe on 5/17/08|
If you didn't know, Hitler was in association with Christianity to exterminate all non-believers (Jews, gays, gypsies). So, perhaps, yes, he did go. Alas, THERE IS NO AFTER LIFE.
---Dustin on 5/15/08|
Augie, unless the most believed version of Hitler's death is untrue-I doubt that he died a Christian. He and Ms. Braum had a suicide pact that appeared to have been carried out.
---NVBarbara on 3/31/08|
Hitler, no--atheist, y'know.
Mussolini--depends upon the status of his confession, since he was Catholic (he was, wasn't he?)
Hirohito--I wouldn't expect a non-Christian to go to the Christian Heaven. But I have not heard whether his private life was such that, of itself, warranted Hell.
And I'm not sure basic war activities, by themselves, warrant damnation. (Genocide, atrocities of war, yes. Basic war, no.)
---Nancy on 3/29/08|
I have always wondered about this. I still do today when I read about wars that are being fought over what I think are "spilled milk".
Only GOD knows if people have truely repented, received Jesus Christ, and gone to heaven.
I've heard that Adolf Hitler may have died a Christian, but only GOD knows for sure.
---Augie on 3/29/08|
Moderator, the reason some say that must be because those poeple do not realise that all people entering the priesthood are not necessarily saved people. For example, many men entering the Anglican ministry seem to see it as a career which will give them a certain position/status in society. To answer the question - no, I do not believe that these people will be in heaven UNLESS they truly repented in their final moment on this earth.
---RitaH on 3/29/08|
I do not believe we are saved by our intentions either to enter the priesthood or become the pope or the biggest minister in town. And to this question, I believe all three men are in hell.
---Mima on 3/28/08|
sag, I went to an exhibit of Adolf Hitler's art. According to biographical notes I read there, he had been passionately interested in becoming an artist. But they refused him from art school. And then he got into politics.
To think > we possibly could have avoided the whole Nazi mess if Adolf had been accepted as an art student (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/28/08|
I never heard that either, however I have read that his mother was a Jew. I'll have to read up on that, I didn't realize that he had any RC ties.
---NVBarbara on 3/28/08|
The reason why Germany was called the "3rd Reich" (Kingdom) Was that with the Concordat he signed with Pope Pious 12th was to re-establish the Holy Roman Empire . Mussolini was also Catholic. Altho Hirohito was Shinto it didn't seem to matter! Hitler was never excommunicated from the Catholic Church.
---1st_cliff on 3/28/08|
Hitler's parents were Catholics. Hitler renouced the faith around his 18th birthday. He was an atheist. When the Pope hid thousands of Jews in Italy, and smuggled thousands more out of the country to the US, Hitler responded by killing 3 million Catholics in the Holocaust. Hitler never considered the priesthood.
---greyrider on 3/28/08|
Thanks for your informing me that Hitler was going to enter the priesthood. I've never heard that in the church. Catholic or otherwise.
Maybe there was some surprise, or shock, that a Nazi leader once considered being a religious leader.
---sag on 3/28/08|