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Reproduce A Big Bang

Shortly underground in Europe scientists will attempt to reproduce in tiny form, what happened in the first microseconds of the Big Bang that they say created to Universe. Whether you are 144-hour Creatonist, Evolutionist, or Intelligent Design, does this experiment frighten you?

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Atheist you have commented upon evil committed by what you call 'christians,' who are not Christians at all as they act in direct contradiction of Christ's commands.

Consider Stalins comments: Reading Darwin had an enormous impact on me. It corroborated my defiance of God and inspired me to systematically break all the Ten Commandments, which I now realized were only chains. Though I had stolen and lied before, I now stole and lied with a higher purpose-freedom of self. And the effects on my political philosophy were equally lasting. Historians of the future may even conclude that Darwinism + Leninism = Stalinism.
Richard Lourie, 1999. The autobiography of Joseph Stalin.

Just one of the consistent atheistic butchers.
---Warwick on 11/9/09


...God used Moses to speak to His people. If Moses used God to control the poeple,controlled they would have been.
God uses His Word.
Whosoever...is an open invitation.
---char on 11/5/09


Alan,

Without religion the power seekers would find other justification.

But most in the position of power got it and were able to hold it because of religion. "The divine right of kings."

Further, think of the power Moses gained by claiming the ten commandments came from god and not himself. He was just god's messenger, and if people didn't behave, not only could they be killed but they have to worry about burning in hell forever. Moses got people to stop stealing, lieing, and murdering each other because of the fear of god. Societies work better when such things are not going on. Moses used "god" to control his people and hold power. Its a trick that worked in many and almost all cultures.
---atheist on 9/30/08


Atheist ... "I might think it a dangerous activity, depending on what god and scriptural references were used for the focus of worship"

No .. I don't think you can blame gods, & certainly not our Christian God.

If there was no religion, the power seekers would find other justification.
---alan_of_UK on 9/27/08


Atheist ... Yes ... worship of the wrong god can be dangerous.

If for example the "god" allowed child abuse that would be dangerous.

But that does not mean that all gods are evil

The fact even that so-called Christian cults have allowed child sexual abuse does not mean that Christianity is dangerous in itself

YOu argument is not fair
---alan_of_UK on 9/26/08




Actually I might think it a dangerous activity, depending on what god and scriptural references were used for the focus of worship.

Muslims blow themselves up and Christians burned alive "heretics" and "witches".

Religious differences still are at the root of many of today's wars and atrocities.

But I would consider focusing on scriptures such as the Beatitudes a very wrothwhile activity.
---atheist on 9/25/08


"But Christians would say that worshipping things other than God is a sin, but Atheist would see it as a harmless activity."

He might even think this is a pointless activity since he doesn't believe in any other gods either.
---liam on 9/25/08


To answer the original question, there is nothing to worry about at the LHC. The things you read in the news about "reproducing the big bang" or "creating black holes" is all made-up by journalists trying to get people's attention with flashy headlines. This is the standard relationship between journalism and science: The scientists come up with something new and usually very boring and complicated and the journalist thinks "how can we make that simpler and more interesting for our audience?!"

Which are you going to read? "Scientists collide a couple iron nuclei at high speeds" or "Scientists create black holes in the lab and we might all die!!!!!!!11"
---liam on 9/25/08


Frances ... I think for the atheist, the word "sin" has no meaning, for it refers to a wrong done to God, or contravening God's instructions. Since Atheist does not accept there is a God, he can't confirm or deny that he sins!

But he would probably tak about wrongs, or bad acts, and if honest would hope to avoid these ... but that may just be in relation as to how it affects others.

Stealing for example is a wrong in society, because others are adversely affected by it... Similarly, adultery.

But Christians would say that worshipping things other than God is a sin, but Atheist would see it as a harmless activity.
---alan_of_UK on 9/25/08


frances008 what you have to understand is that Atheist thinks there is no God. If there is no God there is no sin. So if there is no sin it is OK to call him a liar.
Now this seems to disturb Atheist so maybe he does believe (and I know he does) that there is a God.
The main problem here is not that Atheist refuses to believe or accept. The main problem is why does he/she elect to accept this view?
---Elder on 9/24/08




I am sorry if I lied about you, atheist, though I am not sure where it was. Perhaps you could remind me. Either you are saying you are sinless, or you are not saying that. The former would be a misunderstanding on your part, and the latter would show that you admit you do sin.
---frances008 on 9/24/08


Frances,

You did not upset me. You have lied about me.
---atheist on 9/24/08


"" Satan, oh how I hate you, oh how I hate you, He's always looking for ways to discredit God. I know my Saviour lives.>>>For believers, if you want to hold on to your faith, you must stay in prayer. Eyes on God.""

Unlike some people, I don't want to be on speaking terms with Satan.
---katavasia on 9/23/08


Nana, you read into my words what is not written and so you misrepresent me. But I don't mind, as long as you don't do it to the gospel. By the way, are you one of the non-sinners who are not saved because you do not need it? Perhaps you were saved and know for sure that you are now perfect. I personally do not know which sins I do that offend God the most, but I know that I do sin because I know I am not perfect. My benchmarkk if Jesus, and I do not match up to Him. It is not only what I do but what I am - a sinner in need of a savior.
---frances008 on 9/23/08


So I upset atheist, by saying he had some sin he loves. Most atheists would admit that they did not live up to the perfection of God, but this atheist seems to be saying I am wrong to assume he sins. I am prideful. Notice, I am prideful, though I admit I sin, and he/she is not prideful, though he/she won't admit anything. One of my sins is I envy some people, and I know this is evil because envy is wrong, and we know that many who are having a great time in this life, are going to damnation. Yet I still tend to envy those who seem to have everything in abundance.
---frances008 on 9/23/08


"Then I realize it is better to not sin all the time, and so not feel guilty."
---frances008 on 9/22/08
What, you sin on special occassions only? A a treat?
---Nana on 9/23/08


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Frances,

You do not notice the subtle.

My point was you must be very prideful to sit in judgment of me and make assumptions about what I do and what I believe if I haven't stated it. You stereotype those you disagree with, and have especially done so with me.

But to answer your question,---I just can't stop beating my mother, I know its wrong, and its is certainly disrespectful, and it the Bible says I should do it, but I can't help myself.

Your question was the classic,"When did you stop beating your mother?" question, and so I have answered accordingly.

Was that too subtle?

Oh, you will assume that because I am an atheist, I always lie, so now you can go on about how I do beat my mother...
---atheist on 9/22/08


No, atheist, I am similar to all Christians, in that I sin but I hate the sin I do, and so I repent as soon as I do it. Then I realize it is better to not sin all the time, and so not feel guilty. You did not answer my question.
---frances008 on 9/22/08


Frances: "You are, sadly, deceived. The only reason an atheist is an atheist is a sad fact, that is that there is some sin that they particularly enjoy, and it is against the Bible, so they are sold out to disproving God. What is the sin you enjoy, atheist?"

You must be very proud of yourself to have come up with that one.
---atheist on 9/22/08


Atheist, I see science as the ongoing search for truth. You obviously see science as blind faith in mathematicians of dubious character. Or you think that if they are on the telly they must be 'experts'. If they are 'experts' they must 'know everything'. You are, sadly, deceived. The only reason an atheist is an atheist is a sad fact, that is that there is some sin that they particularly enjoy, and it is against the Bible, so they are sold out to disproving God. What is the sin you enjoy, atheist?
---frances008 on 9/21/08


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I'm sorry to have dominated the posts to this question that I posed.

What I reaaly meant by it though was "Are you frightened by what might hapen when they switch the machine on, or increase the power of what they are doing"

It was not intended at all to be a theolgical question (which is being handled on another blog) but just the physical danger of operating the thing.

A pity no-one actually understood the question, and I forgot what I meant by it!!
---alan_of_UK on 9/21/08


Jerry: "The following words were written by God Himself with His own finger in stone:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth"

Where is that stone? Do you have any links with pictures of it? How about the radiometric date tests? How did they come out?
---atheist on 9/21/08


Jerry,

Sounds like you've just given up on cherry picking true science to support you view of creation and bad or false science to blame for the false theories of "evolutionism".

If it contradicts the Bible as you read it, then its just a lie.

Simple.

Now you can just argue with others who kinda sorta believe as you do. You can now straighten them all out on the correct reading of the Bible.

Opps...Just read that last phrase in you post: "scientifically sound Word of God."

Now that's an oxymoron....
---atheist on 9/21/08


Alan: "But if there was a Bog Bang, caused by God ... I see know way in whih that would make God a liar."

The following words were written by God Himself with His own finger in stone:

Exo 20:11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth

If a Big Bang or any other hypothetical construct did indeed take billions of years to produce heaven and earth, then God is a liar!

Why do you find it necessary to cling to the childish musings of men while rejecting the scientifically sound Word of God?
---jerry6593 on 9/21/08


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A-men Alan. "Who is this King of glory? YHWH of hosts, he the King of glory. Exalt. The voice of YHWH upon the waters: the God of glory thunders: YHWH upon many waters. Who can this be that even the wind and sea obey him? And he comes to them, walking upon the sea, and says to them, Take courage: I am, be not afraid. His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. Jesus says, I am the Alpha and the Omega, Beginning and Ending, says the Lord, which from being, and which to being, and which coming, The Almighty. And the Lamb will overcome them, for He is Lord of lords, and King of kings." Psalm 24:16+ 29:3+ Mark 4:41+ 6:48,50+ Isaiah 9:6+ Revelation 1:8+ 17:14.
---Eloy on 9/21/08


No this experiment shouldn't frighten us.
Why would it? we are in God's hands, we should investigate every thing concerning His creation, some things are not good ideas though, like making atom bombs and hurling them at each other. but the atom is awesome.
I wasn't alive prior to Genesis 1:1, and I have no idea as to how old the creation is, out side of the Bible what God has revealed, God hasn't told us every thing, one scientist said this. God said let there be .... and BANG it happened. Thats my big bang theory.
---Jim on 9/20/08


Why not?
There's about to be another BIG-BANG!
The Bibles says there will be a Great noise(BigBANG?) and that the Heaven's & Earth will shake like no other time in it's history....
Who's to say that when he said let there be light, there was'nt a BIG BANG!

Who knows maybe it was a little-bang!

IF there was a BANG, GOD caused it!!!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/20/08


The bible is very general on creation. This new experiment has to do with the 11th dimension. I find it amazing how detailed God is down to just what we think we know in quarks. The bible talks about God not having time so instead of arguing how Science goes against the bible, in my opinion we should at least understand it so we can share true wisdom from the Lord. And it was so, could be many things. If we are close minded to the possible ways God created our universe then so will non believers when we as Christians explain that how God created the world is interesting but giving your life to Christ will give you wisdom of a world you live in but never knew and only through him will you see it.
---chris on 9/20/08


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Eloy & Jerry
Perhaps I should have said "a" Gig Bang. I don't think any of the scientists have any clue as to why their suggested Big Bang occured.

But if there was a Bog Bang, caused by God ... I see know way in whih that would make God a liar.

Eloy ... Yes I agree about Majesty.

However I was talking about the way royalty is addressed, and "His Majesty" is the way it is done for a country's monarch. I for one do not confuse it with God's Majesty as our Heavenly and our Life's KING.
---alan_of_UK on 9/20/08


Alan: "I see no reason why Christians should not allow that Gd may have made the Big Bang."

I do! Since, like evolutionism, the Big Bang theory contradicts the plain teachings of God's Word, we are left with the decision to chose either the admittedly unreliable doctrines of men and admit that we worship a lying god, or take God at his Word and distrust the pseudoscientists who attempt to dethrone Him. I for one choose to believe God. He's never lied to me, but men have!
---jerry6593 on 9/20/08


.alanOfUk, the big bang is nothing but the imagination from nonChristianed lost souls. As for majesty, Jesus is my only majesty, and the only Most High God. Do not the English also entertain the dukes and earls: my earthly father was named Earl, however he was far from being called "your eminence"...I jest.
---Eloy on 9/20/08


Eloy
First, the Big Bang as postulated by those who deny God is UNTRUE.

If there was a Big Bang (or call it something else if we want) then it was God who created it. If there was not, it was still God who created the Universe.

Non-Christians beleive that aircraft can fly, but so can Christians. So too with the Big Bang. If atheists use the Big Bang to say God was not involved, then they are wrong, but I see no reason why Christians should not allow that Gd may have made the Big Bang.

No it is the Americans who have the funny words! :-)

Yes there is someone higher than "Your Highness" ... It is "Your Royal Highness" and still higher is, "Your Majesty"
---alan_of_UK on 9/19/08


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the English do have some funny words, like "your highness": so how high is your highness? and is that the highest? or can one be higher than the highness?
---Eloy on 9/19/08


.alanOfUk, na ah, you are misapplying definitions, remember my instruction of applying the right definition according to the context the word is in? The term "big bang" nonChristians use to mean just as I said, a loud noise, and explosion in space. I will not quote the person who first instituted this false phrase to fabricate a nonBiblical Genesis, for let it suffice to say, there was no big bang at creation, but only exists in the the imaginations of unlearned and unregenerate man.
---Eloy on 9/19/08


Eloy ... after all, in the UK we call the trunk of a car the boot, and the hood the bonnet.
Does that make one of us wrong?
And who was the Lion 0f Judah? Did he have 4 legs and a mane?
And was the Lamb of God really a young sheep?

Why are you so worried that other people might use certain words in a different way?

What would you say a "Big Bash" was? Over here it has a real meaning, which is nothing to do with fighting, although in some cultures our meaning would sound nonsense.
---alan_of_UK on 9/18/08


Eloy ... You are of course right ... but why should we argue about what words are used, rather tnan accept what we know the other person means by those words

You sometimes use words in a way that others may not understand, and you have stated you yourself have created your own words and meanings

You should not be so touchy.
---alan_of_UK on 9/18/08


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Alan, A "big bang" is commonly described as a "loud noise", and a "big happening" is commonly described as a "large occurence". Therefore I do not see a connection between a nonexistent big "bang", and the existent big "happening".
---Eloy on 9/17/08


Eloy ... As I said the "BigBang" is just a title given for what they say might have happened.

hey don't claim there was any noise at all!!

That's why I called it a Big Happening.
---alan_of_UK on 9/17/08


.alanOfUk, do you not understand the word NO, as in "N" "O" big bang, NO big bang? Jesus' voice is no big bang.
---Eloy on 9/16/08


So Eloy ... we don't really disagree!

The Big Bang is merely a name for a suggested happening ... it did not necessarily sound loud.

But the "sound of many waters" could have been loud.

All that vou say is not in conflict with the possibility that God used something like the Big Happening when creating the ubniverse

---alan_of_UK on 9/16/08


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.alan, you have asked of me many questions.
1) Yes, I answered your question.
2 and 3) "the worlds were created by word of God, so that not from things visible the seen have come into being." Hebrews 11:3.
4) No big bang, instead his voice like the sound of many waters.
5) The universe was created by the Spirit of God, which is the breath of Jesus. "By the word of YHWH were the heavens made, and all the host of them by the breath of his mouth." Psalm 33:6.
---Eloy on 9/15/08


Eloy ... were you answering my questions?

How did God "create the heaven and the earth"?

What does the Bible say?

Could He not have made the Big Bang?

I would have thought that when He spoke it all into existence, it would have been pretty noisy.... Big Bang

Did God create the universe from nothing? ... I think most Christians believe so, and this is what the BB idea says too.
---alan_of_UK on 9/15/08


No, there was no big bang, and children who play to make big bangs are not a fear.
---Eloy on 9/15/08


Eloy ... How did God "create the heaven and the earth"?

What does the Bible say?

Could He not have made the Big Bang?

I would have throught that when He spoke it all into existence, it would have been pretty noisy.... Big Bang

Did God create the universe from nothing? ... I think most Christians beleive so, and this is what the BB idea says too.
---alan_of_UK on 9/14/08


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there was no delusional and nonsensical big bang fabricated by the petty thoughts of the foolish and condemned clay.
---Eloy on 9/14/08


The collider is supposed to be able to create energy states that are similar to those in the big bang (so they can example particle interactions in that state), however, on a MUCH smaller scale - a few particles at a time, not recreating a whole new universe.
---StrongAxe on 9/12/08


I have read that it can take approximately four years for any adverse effects from this experiment to show. This is truly frightening. I have no doubt that we are in the end times.
---Kelly on 9/10/08


Frances: Yes, the collider in Europe is real. But then again, so were our moon shots - but you don't believe that either. I told you where you would end up if you don't escape the conspiracy theory cult. Do you hear the approaching steps of the men in white coats?
---jerry6593 on 4/26/08


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Alan, unless I was part of the conspiracy, or experiement, how could I possibly know if it was a true event or a lie? I don't know. Probably a lie.
---frances008 on 4/20/08


It is only scary if it works, wow a micro universe? I still would like to see someone reproduce life in the lab.
---dan on 4/20/08


Frances ... OK ... Look on the Web. Google "Massive Particle Accelerator Revving Up"
This contains the following statment ... "This fall, physicists plan to throw the switch on what is arguably the largest and most complex science experiment ever conducted"
Are you saying this report is a lie?
---alan_of_UK on 4/19/08


The last newspaper I bought was some weeks ago and full of propaganda supporting all their lies. If a good article was in a newspaper, I would miss it. The truth is on the internet already though, so I would not really miss a lot.
---frances008 on 4/19/08


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Frances ... Do you really thik this attempt is not being made?
That the billions of dollars and pound being put into it have not been spent?
That the 1000s of scientists are not working there?
I don't pretend to understand the thing they are building ... but I do beleive it is being built, and was asking you what yuo thought about it.
---alan_of_UK on 4/19/08


Alan of UK said 'But I am not a scientist. I just reported what I saw in the paper, and hoped for peoples' considered opinions.'
My considered opinion is that the newspapers lie to us to continually try to disprove the Word of God and you are too much influenced by them.
'it did puzzle me how.....I think ....it was more of a vacuum....'
You sound confused, Alan. Let me help you. If you start with nothing, you cannot create something, not unless you are God.
---frances008 on 4/18/08


My considered opinion is that the most intelligent people on the planet are those who use newspapers to keep themselves warm in winter. And when they recycle newspapers they recycle the same worn out old lies, which are far older than the printing press.
---frances008 on 4/18/08


Satan, oh how I hate you, oh how I hate you, He's always looking for ways to discredit God. I know my Saviour lives.>>>For believers, if you want to hold on to your faith, you must stay in prayer. Eyes on God.
---catherine on 4/18/08


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Complete order out of chaos, just like magic, without God. That is a delusion for those who put too much store by 'experts' who have agendas. And the Big Bang, makes everything out of nothing. That is absolutely amazing. I would like to have witnessed that. In fact it is not even logical, let alone credible. But 'order out of chaos' is a freemasonic idea. Create chaos and then order it the way you would like it.
---frances008 on 4/18/08


Notlaw ... You will find out more about the LHC if you Google for Particle Accelerator,Daily Telegraph, or CERN.
---alan_of_UK on 4/2/08


Alan_of_UK, about the only thing I could find on the Internet was a April 2007 New Article about the computations being wrong and messing up all the magnets in the particle accelerator. Every thing else was was Computer mathematical models. Has there been more recent activity in the media since April 2007? It is hard to imagine how to use a particle accelerator in a Big Bang experiment when you need so much mass and gravity to do any thing.
---notlaw99 on 4/1/08


Bill ... That is why I asked about Intelleligent Design believers, who presumably say that whatever happened, whether4 Big Bang or something else, or Creation precisely as described in Genesis, or some other time sacale or order, it happened as a result of God doing it.
So however it was done, or when, it was done how and when God chose.
---alan_of_UK on 3/31/08


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Jerry ... I think I was wrong about calling it an absolute vacuum ... it was more of a vacuum even than space.
As for these particles whizzing around in opposite direction until they collided, at 99.9999% of light speed, it did puzzle me how it could replicate the BB, the particles are obviously SOMETHING, whereas the BB is supposed to be NOTHING BigBanging into something.

But I am not a scientist.
I just reported what I saw in the paper, and hoped for peoples' considered opinions.
---alan_of_UK on 3/31/08


Notlaw ... the experiment is real and physical. There is an underground facility on the French Swiiss border, abd the circumference of the ring-tube is a few miles.
---alan_of_UK on 3/31/08


Alan: There is no such thing as an "absolute" vacuum. A high energy particle collider experiment is far cry from a "Big Bang" experiment. To be a Big Bang experiment, "nothing" must organize itself into an ultra-dense point of singularity and then self-explode. It ain't gonna happen!
---jerry6593 on 3/31/08


I heard this lie: that they can blow the earth into two pieces if they want. I don't believe it. Such disinformation 'Truth' sites are playing on people who get a bit of the truth and seek more. They are deliberately trying to scare people. On the other hand the evil ones are doing things with vaccinations, and 'cures' that should cause people to be wary. This is how clever they are. Denying the real conspiracies and promoting belief in supposed abilities that they do not have.
---frances008 on 3/30/08


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Shawn ... What frightens me is the amount of my money that they are piling into this experiment!
---alan_of_UK on 3/31/08


Since there are not enough resources on earth to do a physical experiment of this nature. I would tend to believe that is is referring to a computerized mathematical model simulation. So no one need to worry about it.
---notlaw99 on 3/30/08


If they can demonstrate physical principles which would have caused a big bang, I'd ask how come those predictable scientifically verifiable principles "chose" to bang THEN, and not at some *earlier* point in all past eternity (o: Or, why not later?

I'd say God made the choice when to start the universe. Before the fall of Adam and Eve, I can see the earth was of a more spiritual quality, of different "principles" not physical...considering Romans 8:20-21 (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 3/30/08


alan_of_UK
If the belief structure of a persons faith is strong, why should they be frightened?

Alan of UK are you concerned? If so, lets put those concerns to rest.
---Shawn.M.T on 3/29/08


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Nope!

I'm not saying that the Big Bang couldn't have happened. Try filling a room with hydrogen gas and throw a flaming match in there. The hydrogen gas will explode with a loud BANG. There will be water, which forms when hydrogen combines with oxygen, and extra hydrogen. Nothing else. I learned all of this in my school's science class.

If anything, this experient will only show that the Big Bang couldn't possibly have created the universe. Only GOD could have done that.
---Augie on 3/29/08


Genesis 1:1 and the Big Bang theory say the same basic thing: there was Nothing and then there was Something.

My own personal opinion is that the BB is irreproducible, except by God.
---Jack on 3/29/08


it freightens me not even a little,I believe the witness of and the gospel of jesus christ,and that there is was and always will be god, the son ,and holy spirit.pondering scientific questioning of pur physical surroundings may bring some knowledge to man ,but realizing there is but one truth is more important to me than how.
---tom2 on 3/29/08


this is sorta like a firecracker,to a hydrogen bomb comparison,isn,t it?or more like a sun going super nova as the firecracker.which make any experiment more or less RIDICULOUS.
---tom2 on 3/29/08


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They will be accellerating in an absolute vacuum and temperature colder than space, particles (forget the name, but the smallest there are) to just below the speed of light (about 99.9999%) and then colliding them.
Somehow supposed to resemble what they think the Big Bang was.
---alan_of_UK on 3/29/08


Regardless of how you think God may have created the Universe (and may He have used the Big Bang?) or if you think there is no God & it was all chance, it does seem a dangerous experiment.
If theBig Bang did happen and created a Universe, could we not be starting another universe when we make our own Big Bang?
Seems as if we are playing God.
---alan_of_UK on 3/29/08


No, this experiment does not frighten me at all.
---a_good_friend on 3/29/08


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