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Called To Witness In Bars

I've had relatives and friends die because of smoking and/or alcohol. A church friend told me that these folks are really hurtin' for the Lord and that bars are a good harvest place. I don't like going to bars. Does GOD require me to go bars and witness to the people there?

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First and foremost you are not talking to rational people,and a bar is not a place to preach.....I know a few people who tried that and most of them got flipped out the back door.......your putting yourself in a bad situation...plus GOD says in His Word."Use the Wisdom I have given you" because ALL Wisdom come from Him and not the world.
We are Fishers of men.Or maybe leave some Christain tracks and get out
Plus ask God what He would want you to do
Gabby8758
---Gabby on 7/8/08


We're called to witness whereever opportunity arises. I find the attitude to those in bars, sad,as though drinking is a special kind of EVIL!

I have a policeman friend who witnesses to drug dealers, addicts, prostitutes and murderers. I've accompanied him and found many of these more receptive than 'good' people who imagine their 'goodness' saves them.

If we have to mix with these dreadful drinking people I am convinced it's worth it. And SHOCK AND HORROR I have shared the odd drink!
---Warwick on 6/11/08


"In fact, I don't think a Christian's shadow should darken the door of the devil's playground. Really, how do you witness to drunk people.
I'd rather talk to the sober.
---lisa on 6/9/08
Convinces me that your idea what makes a witness is totally different than mine.
For an example, are you aware that many casinos in Las Vegas give special preference and treatment to those witness in the casinos?
---Mima on 6/11/08


lisa: "I wouldn't witness outside of a bar, God hasn't called me to be there."

Christians should witness everywhere they go. They don't need permission to spread the gospel. If you think you need permission from God, we have already been commanded to go out into the world.

On the other hand, if God DOES ask you to do something, you had better well do it or you'll end up like Jonah - in the belly of a fish.
---Steveng on 6/10/08


Lisa: You are taking that verse out of context. Meaning it doesn't apply to this situation. Being unequally yoked means a Christian shouldn't marry a unbeliever. If you use that verse to this situation, then you shouldn't go to the grocery store, movies, gas stations, etc. Because there are unbelievers everywhere you go. And you wouldn't be sinning if you talk to them.
---Rebecca_D on 6/9/08




I wouldn't witness outside of a bar, God hasn't called me to be there.
In fact, I don't think a Christian's shadow should darken the door of the devil's playground. Really, how do you witness to drunk people.
I'd rather talk to the sober.
---lisa on 6/9/08


I to have witnessed in bars and have made some good friends. many people in the pits are looking for friends like you. God bless You!
---mike on 6/8/08


Forget about being called.

Just do it. We should witness and preach the coming gospel of the Kingdom of God and how to get there without being asked. Everyday in everyway. Whether it's in your neighborhood or half way around the world.

But, of course, if God does want you to do something, then do it or you'll find youself in the belly of a fish.
---Steveng on 6/8/08


I used to be a hardcore cluber, I know the enviorment, but now I'm a beleiver in Jesus Christ. I personally dont feel conferdable in that enviorment anymore, but if Jesus calls me I will go.
---Jeremy on 6/8/08


Well, you don't want to be a *court* case witness in a bar (o: At least, we got *that* straight.

But the disciples went into churches where people were drunk with the stupidity of Satan, and witnessed there. I have attended an activity where pastors would shut me up, one said the Bible says to "sin boldy". They're gone, now we have an actual Christian minister...in this *Episcopal* church. Pray and obey. Obedience gets God's results > Genesis 18:22, Romans 5:19-20.
---Bill_bila5659 on 6/7/08




2 Corinthians 6:14
Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

So I would witness outside the bar..but I would not go there alone. I would bring good Christian fellowship to help. I would not set foot into a place where demons enjoy company.
---lisa on 6/7/08


All we have around where I live is bars/taverns. We do have restaurants that serve alcohol. Like Pizza Hut. I have no idea what that is. So Alan of UK, I am sorry for questioning you. I shouldn't have done that. I was thinking of bars/taverns that have pool tables, bar fights and that sort of thing. I do go into restaurants that serve alcohol but I do not order them. But that is my choice. If a person should order such drinks, it isn't for me to decide if they are in the right or in the wrong.
---Rebecca_D on 6/7/08


Debra, right on! I witnessed once in a bar because I believe God led me to go in there. You see, the person who brought me to Christ asked if I would like to go witness ( my first time) on the corner in our town. There was a bar there. I went in, saw a woman that I have not seen since high school. We talked, I hade a coke and she listned to my testimony. I planted seeds! It was great and I knew God got through to her. WE must go to them. Jesus did.
---John on 6/6/08


I can only confess that I was a sinner. As such I wonder how much sooner I would've come to the Lord if some spirit filled person of faith had been bold enough to find me in the place I was at rather than me having to find them? Don't live in the church, BE THE CHURCH!!!
---Debra on 6/5/08


He is not calling you "specifically" to serve
Him in bars, especially if your not comfortable doing so BUT HE IS TELLING US to
GO ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD TO PREACH and to BAPTIZE IN HIS NAME. I BELIEVE that those who feel called to do their witnessing in bars will know if whenthe opportunity arises.
will "know it" when the portunity arises.PR.
---Pierr5358 on 6/5/08


It seems to me that Christians should not put themselves in tempting situations on purpose. If we say that "if we dont go preach in that bar those people might not be saved" we are doubting God's power. I wouldn't assume that God couldn't save someone unless I went into a bar. There is no Biblical validation for going into the devil's campground. "...and lead me not into temptation..." You dont see prophets goig into the temples of Baal to preach.
---Todd on 5/21/08


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Warwick,
No problem. If I do the same and you see it, please do tell me too.
---Nana on 5/1/08


If you feel an aptitude for going to a bar and sharing some aspect of your Christianity, try it. Certainly there is Biblical precedent. One can be a good listener there, providing empathy and compassion, two wonderfully Christ-like traits.
---Jenny on 4/30/08


Thanks for that Nana, you are right I sure messed that one up.

I will try harder.
---Warwick on 4/30/08


Only you can answer that Augie. Do you feel strongly that you should go into bars? God CAN call anyone to go anywhere and you said "these people are really hurtin". Not everyone has a heart for "bar" people. Do you? If you are not justifying an alcohol problem or pervesion it is possible to be called into a bar as a believer. Jesus associated with "wine bibbers" and sinners so why wouldn't you? We are to be like Him. Prayerfully seek God about it. Blessings
---jody on 4/29/08


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Rebecca ... I di ntmean to address you as "ebecca"
I have a new wireless keyboard with the configuration of the keys quite different
It is difficult to ensure that upper-case interntion actually carries through.
and a small "r" at the beginning of a post never gets through
---alan_of_UK on 4/28/08


rebecca ... I think theat rhondda has found the xplanaton for our disagreement on the blog "Are you a sinner?"
I have never been in an American bar, and you have probably never been in an English pub.
I suggest the two have a fundamental difference.
You go it a bar to drink alcohol
You go into a pub to be with your friends
---alan_of_UK on 4/28/08


Augie stands on a stool and says: "We need to repent to be saved" All the guys cheer loudly: "YEAH - Let' drink to that" :))
---Caring on 4/28/08


"Nana like some others you seem to equate having a drink
with a drunken lifestyle."
---Warwick on 4/26/08
You did not read what I said, but what Rebecca said that
I quoted.
---Nana on 4/28/08


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Sounds like a great project, Alan of UK. I bet you are a fit man (despite the occasional beer). Actually I am not against alcohol per se. It would be great if we drank like the Europeans do, with meals. That is far more civilized I reckon. It helps the digestion, so I heard.
---frances008 on 4/26/08


Frances ... Our "Project" is walking the South West Coast Path which goes from Minehead in Somerset, all the way round the south west tip of England and finishes in Poole in Dorset. The total length is 630 miles.
We go about 10 or 11 miles a day, which is quite tough sometimes because it is very up & down
---alan_of_UK on 4/26/08


Rebecca ... # 1 "The night that God saved me and forgave me of my sins, I no longer had a desire to do the things I used to do"
So eight years ago you stopped making love to your husband, cooking meals, shopping, enjoying the countryside ... et al?
Maybe your desire for alcohol was proving to be a sin, or causing you problems, & so it was right to stop.
But it does not cause me a problem, nor lead to sin.
---alan_of_UK on 4/26/08


Rebecca ... # .. "When in a bar/pub a unsaved person will look at you and say to themselves, well if he can be go into bars and say he's going to heaven then I guess I'm going too"
Who says that? You!! & Why should that be?
Alcohol is not a sin, so its consumption is not!
Now that man in the pub (i wish you would not call them bars) has as good a chance of meeting with Jesus, and going to heaven, as he does if he sits at home with the TV,
---alan_of_UK on 4/26/08


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Rebecca ... My replies of 4/24 on the "Are you a Sinner?" blog may show you just how much of a reprobate I was & am.
---alan_of_UK on 4/26/08


Oh, I see now you are doing the South coast. My short sightedness.
---frances008 on 4/26/08


One lady asked if the place in England I was from was near Iceland. Well, when the Falklands war started I thought Scotland had been invaded, so I can't criticize. Another person once asked what language they spoke in England !!!
---frances008 on 4/26/08


Sounds like fun, AlanofUK. Also, I bet you live a long healthy life. There are millions of envious Japanese people over here. So when they visit England be nice to them!! People here ask me if I come from near 'Peter Rabbit' - there knowledge of England is limited to documentaries on Television, which are actually very good.
---frances008 on 4/26/08


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What was the overall project Alan? I mean how long and where? You say you have only 250 miles to go. Maybe I missed your post.
---frances008 on 4/26/08


Alan of UK: It has been 8 years since I had an alcoholic drink. The night that God saved me and forgave me of my sins, I no longer had a desire to do the things I used to do. Paul said it best, When I was a child I spake as a child I understood as a child I thought as a child but when I became a man (adult) I put away childish things. When in a bar/pub a unsaved person will look at you and say to themselves, well if he can be go into bars and say he's going to heaven then I guess I'm going too.
---Rebecca_D on 4/26/08


Frances ... I have wlked the South West CoastalPath from Minehead all the way round Somerset, Devon, Cornwall & DEvon again... We have reached Salcombe a couple of weeks ago.
We do it three days at a time & two or three sessions a year, so we manage about 100 miles ayear.
A long term project! About 250 miles to go now!.
---alan_of_UK on 4/26/08


Nana like some others you seem to equate having a drink with a drunken lifestyle.

I have separated myself from some simply because they drink to get drunk, and become disgusting. Conversely almost all of my Christian friends enjoy a drink, but don't get drunk. They are entitled to do so.

If we are to reach the unsaved we need to go where they are. If that is in bars then so be it. We can have a drink with them but know when to stop, showing discipline. This in itself is a witness.
---Warwick on 4/26/08


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I know a guy who went to a bar and asked for a Tall glass of Milk.They were celebrating a birthday.Did he care about appearances Apparantly Not.was he a sinner ?Jesus also ate and drank with tax collectors.
---Emcee on 4/25/08


Alan, I am sure the spies everywhere know it, so I will tell you I am from the UK. I walked in Wales, the Lakes, Yorkshire, and North Devon. Sometimes Youth Hostelling in my youth. Sometimes with parties that were package tours.
---frances008 on 4/25/08


Rebecca,1
"If you choose to drink in your own home, that is your business
but when you go into a bar that is where you are letting your
good be spoken evil of. Yes I realize that the unsaved are
everywhere. But we are told to be apart from them, but by you
going into bars you are not being apart from them, you are just
like them."
---Rebecca_D on 4/24/08
---Nana on 4/25/08


Rebecca,2
Rebecca, you have to do better than that.
Sound like a Christianity that is just into "Saving Face" intead
of "Saving Faith". By your logic I am being "apart" if I beat my
wife at home but not before unbelievers? Alan strikes me as
a kind gentleman and if you were to say something like, "I am
sorry Alan, I overstepped my liberty over yours..." He surely
will certainly say, "It is ok Rebecca, I love you none the less"
---Nana on 4/25/08


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Frances ... So you have been walking over here! Where did you walk?
I am engaged on the 630 mile South West Coastal Path, which is beautiful. Our group is mainly Christian. We usually eat our sandwiches out in the open, because often there is little shelter available.
At the end of the day, often the only place to eat is in a pub.
You were fortunate to find that church open, most are locked nowadays becasue of vandalism
---alan_of_UK on 4/25/08


Frances ... So you have been walking over here! Where did you walk?
I am engaged on the 630 mile South West Coastal Path, which is beautiful. Our group is mainly Christian. We usually eat our sandwiches out in the open, because often there is little shelter available.
At the end of the day, often the only place to eat is in a pub.
You were fortunate to find that church open, most are locked nowadays becasue of vandalism
---alan_of_UK on 4/25/08


Frances ... We always stop at every tea shop we come across! But on some srtretches there are none, and we rely on our water flasks.
On one occasion, the pub was the only place with any sort of liquid, But they could only make a small cup at a time in a machine. The idea of a kettle and a teapot did not seem to occur to them!
---alan_of_UK on 4/25/08


This question of drinking in
bars is being over scantimonious.what are bars for,to have a drink/ one can get sloshed quite easily at home as at a bar.The point to remember You must know when to call it quits and you dont have to reach the point of inebreation to do this.Does this make me seem bad? maybe but I was sick to my stomach once at age 19 and never again.was I drunk? NO, but disgusted with myself Yes.Once in a lifetime.is an experience not to be repeated.
---Emcee on 4/24/08


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When we were walking in the countryside in the Uk, our group was caught in the rain at lunchtime. We had sandwiches so we went into a chapel in the middle of the countryside. I ate my sandwiches at the back of the church. It was a Protestant chapel. One guy could not bring himself to eat there. I am reminded that Jesus said that it was okay to eat anything even the ritual foods when the people of Israel were hungry. Hope this helps.
---frances008 on 4/24/08


Alan some here are blinded believing alcohol is in itself evil so anyone who drinks any is evil.

Scripture contradicts them-Matt. 11:18,19-Jesus 'came eating and drinking'-they called him 'glutton and a drunkard.' No one could call him a glutton if he never ate nor drunkard if he never drank alcohol.

I don't suggest anyone should drink against their conscience. However Scripture doesn't forbid food or drink in moderation and I suggest they leave us to follow Scripture and our conscience.
---Warwick on 4/24/08


Frances ... You accuse me:"If all you do aside from that is drink in bars and enjoy life, you will be ill prepared to counter the lies of the devil
I tell yuo, I do not go to bars, and I suppose my drinking in pubs averages about maybe ten times a year, the totaltime being perhaps 30 hours ... usually with my Christian friends as we find somewhere to eat after a day's walking in God's countryside.
I suppose you could say we say we should have starved, but it was a long time before breakfast.
---alan_of_UK on 4/24/08


Rebecca ... "Doing as they do, and if your not careful you'll be acting just like them"
Thanks ... your experience?
I've told you before I have been a Christian for 50+ years.
I first went into a pub about 45 years ago.
I have never been tempted to drink to excess, nor have I seen many drinking to excess.
What do you mean "just like them" ... Oh how much better than them, and me, you make yourself soind.
---alan_of_UK on 4/24/08


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Obviously, all the drinking that is done in bars, and all the discussions, merely makes sure that you are not looking for the truth and studying God's Word. Sometimes it is necessary to read books and watch films put out by the devil, in order to warn others of the lies in them. If all you do aside from that is drink in bars and enjoy life, you will be ill prepared to counter the lies of the devil.
---frances008 on 4/24/08


Rebecca ... Going inot a bar and drinking along with the unsaved is no worse than going to a cinema and watching the film along with the unsaved. (After all, you do agree that neither drinking a beer (but in fact it is usually an orange juice) nor watching the film is sinful)
I think you must be speaking from your own experiences, from the past you needed to break from, from the fear of a return of your past excessive drinking habits, and the effect of those on your behaviour and maybe morals.
---alan_of_UK on 4/24/08


Rebecca ... "Do you brag on him on what all he has done for you and how thankful you are that you are born again?" when you are in a supermarket queue, or in the tobacconist, or the cinema, or on the beach?
If you don't like pubs, that's OK for you, but it does not entitle yuo to condmen anyone who goes into a pub for a quiet small drink. (Incidently do yuo even know what a pub is? ... your interpretation of it as a meeting place of the unsaved suggests not)
---alan_of_UK on 4/24/08


#1. Alan of UK: No Alan going into bars and drinking along with the unsaved is a poor witness. If you choose to drink in your own home, that is your business but when you go into a bar that is where you are letting your good be spoken evil of. Yes I realize that the unsaved are everywhere. But we are told to be apart from them, but by you going into bars you are not being apart from them, you are just like them. Doing as they do, and if your not careful you'll be acting just like them.
---Rebecca_D on 4/24/08


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#2. Alan of UK: I don't know how else to be any plainer to better explain to you. How do you witness about the Lord when your in a bar, with a beer in hand? Do you brag on him on what all he has done for you and how thankful you are that you are born again? They can't take you serious. How can God take you serious when you won't let go of your past? You are still clinging to the old man, still wanting to dip in sin by going into bars, thinking it is okay. but yet it is a poor witness of Christ.
---Rebecca_D on 4/24/08


#3. Alan of UK: I feel as though I am not getting through to you, or the truth rather. So it is pointless to keep going on and on and sound like a broken record. I said what the bible says about "being separate from the unsaved". And you refuse to listen to the truth from God's word. If you refuse to listen to the truth, then God help you.
---Rebecca_D on 4/24/08


Rebecca "A child of God will abstain from all evil appearances"
So do you buy your cigarettes in secret, to avoid letting others know you are destroying the body God gave you?
---alan_of_UK on 4/24/08


Rebecca ...#1 The unsaved are everywhere.
They are in the shopping mall, the cinema or theatre, the gym club, on the beach, in the nature reserves or the city parks when you go there to see God's beautiful world, in the old folks homes and hospitals, at every private party that you attend, at the zoo, on the train, bus or tram.
Do you separate yourself from the unsaved by not going to these places?
---alan_of_UK on 4/24/08


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Rebecca .. #2 "Do they laugh at you and will they take a man preaching at them with a beer in hand serious?"
I don't know what your definition of prweach is, but here it means give a sermon.
And that is usually donwe art a recognised gathering.
If drinking a pint of beer is a not a sin, why is being in a quiet pub giving the appearance of evil?
---alan_of_UK on 4/24/08


Rebecca .. #3 A lot of lust can be geenerated in a cinema, people can be tempted into shop-lifting in a mall, can go to a beach to lust after the women, or men there, to an theatre to listen for the inuendos. At a football game many will be shouting obsecenties.
Appearance of evil.
Rebecca ... do you avoid all these places?
---alan_of_UK on 4/24/08


Rebecca: Can you honestly speak to Alan the way you are speaking to him while you are a smoker? I could never listen to a believer who talked about the Lord with a cigarette in her hand. How could a person claim to love the Lord while polluting her lungs and mine at the same time? Please, get off your high horse, and see your hypocrisy for what it is.
---Trish9863 on 4/23/08


Rebecca restaurants (especially the smorgasbord style)are places where many gluttons congregate. Gluttony is a sin and a massive economic cost both in the amount of food wasted and the obesity specific diseases which follow.

By your reasoning we should not go there mixing with the unGodly gluttons.
---Warwick on 4/23/08


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Rebecca_D:

Once again, your answer pre-supposes that "drinking beer" is, on its own face, "the appearance of evil".

If drinking alcoholic beverages moderatly, without becoming intoxicated, offends you, then by all means, you shouldn't do it. But that doesn't mean it's wrong for everyone else. The Bible, doesn't condemn it (it DOES constantly condemn drunkeness).
---StrongAxe on 4/23/08


#2. Alan of UK: By you going into bars you are joining in with the unsaved. You are not separating yourself from them. Yes you can talk to them, but do you stop there? Or do you start to do as they do? Talk like the unsaved do? Or do you speak your mind and say I'd rather you not speak that way? If you do speak up for Christ in a bar. Do they laugh at you and will they take a man preaching at them with a beer in hand serious? I know I wouldn't. A child of God will abstain from all evil appearances.
---Rebecca_D on 4/23/08


Melan drunks and gluttons have little control over their appetites. When we show that we eat healthy food, and drink in moderation, we can be an inspiration to them.

I've counselled many to control their drinking with few getting angry. Conversely when I have commented to Christians about the large amounts they eat-much of it very unhealthy- I have been spoken harshly to.
---Warwick on 4/23/08


Alan of UK-To me drinking is a sin. One that I was freed from 14 years ago. I am saying that whatever we(Christians) do in moderation, can cause another to do in excess. Don't do it if it causes your brother to stumble. Who says you can't witness in a bar without drinking, then they'll know for sure what you are saying comes from a sober mind. However, I understand your culture is different from the U.S. and drinking ale or wine is like drinking water to us. In other words, normal not sin.
---melann on 4/23/08


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Rebecca ... I read an authoratitive article the other day, which showed that smoking can lead to blindness in later life.
Sin or not, PLEASE do yourself some good, and get yuor lungs clean.
---alan_of_UK on 4/23/08


That, Melann, must be because you think that drinking alcohol is a sin.
Well, it isn't except when yuo do it to excess.
---alan_of_UK on 4/23/08


Yes , Mima, that was an astounding statement, and quite contrary to Jesus teaching * command
---alan_of_UK on 4/23/08


Rita: No smoking to me isn't a sin. God hasn't convicted me from smoking. It is a choice that I and only I can make. I need to quite for (future) health reasons. My family wants me to quite so I am trying. No I haven't developed a sickness caused by smoking. No it isn't easy to quite, because I am told by 2 doctors that my bladder is sagging due to my hysterectomy I had in September.
---Rebecca_D on 4/23/08


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This statement"Confrontational evangelism is the folly of fools it just puts Christians into disrepute." By---notlaw99
is just astounding, in light of the following Scripture. Luke 14:23,"And the lord said unto the servant, Go out into the highways and hedges, and compel them to come in, that my house may be filled."
---Mima on 4/23/08


all i know is that i wish someone would of witness to me when i was selling meth, crack, when i was selling my my soul to satan but thanks to the holy spirit he reached down to pick me up when i cryed out to God(jesus) all i say is that we need to go and share christ where people are lost in sin clubs, bars, and so on but be lead by the power of the holy spirit
---jaime on 4/23/08


alan of UK-Yes, I am aware that the attitude overseas is different about bars than the U.S. Maybe in your country you could be an effective witness in a bar. Over their its a family place. However, I believe we(U.S.) have watered down the gospel that some people use it as a crutch(excuse)to continue in sin. God wants His people to be set apart. In this country, I don't think that's possible to be a "witness" in bars while drinking.
---melann on 4/23/08


StrongAxe, Restaurants, shopping mall and schools are also foolish places for evangelism.

Confrontational evangelism is the folly of fools it just puts Christians into disrepute.

You plan quality events, publicize them and invite people to attend them and spread the word of Christ in that manor. You don't antagonize people and make an ass of yourself in the process, that just turns people off to what ever message you are trying to present.
---notlaw99 on 4/22/08


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if you are called to do so yes, if you are not, you will know it. if God calls you he will enable you to do it. Jesus ate with sinners...are you called?
---la on 4/22/08


frances008:

Exactly! EVERYWHERE we go is appropriate. So why should we single certain places out as inappropriate?
---Strongaxe on 4/22/08


Frances "in cars if you are sharing cars, parks, on trains, outside churches, in churches, covertly and overtly"
You can't get a cooked meal in a car. in parks it is ysually raining or snowing, outsides churches the youths lurk, and the churches are locked because of the youths.
But why do it covertly? We might get ridiculaed for being Christians, but in my country at least we are not persecuted.
---a on 4/22/08


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