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If The Rapture Is Fictitious

If the rapture is fictitious, exactly what is that happened to Christians during the tribulation. Will they all be killed? Or will they take the mark of the beast and thereby doom themselves to an eternity of hell?

Moderator - I believe we will find out that there are truly few true Christians versus those that call themselves Christians and at the same time live the opposite lifestyle. Very few debate a rapture. It's the timing of the rapture that is the disagreement for most ie beginning of the seven years, mid or post with Jesus Second Coming.

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People who really prey on other people do truly pray to GOD but rather to themseleves.

Darby needed the Lawyer Scofield to truly make the pretrib secret rapture popular.
---Samuel on 7/16/08


Pray pray prey!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/16/08


DDM, Sarkozy is nothing more than an NWO-Vatican Illuminati puppet. Listen to him on youtube. He is a 'Catholic' who divorced his wife and got remarried within days/weeks. Please do the research on him. He is very bad news for Christians. Why is it that the 'uneducated' Ainu indiginous people of Japan can see all this and DDM with all your technology cannot. Even those who worship false gods can see the truth, but not you. At the G-8 summit Ainu leader Ken Kawamura prayed ''The G-8 are coming to our land to do whatever they please. Please protect us.'' DDM, are you a government shill?
---frances008 on 7/15/08


Very True Old Guy.

It was futurism started by the Jesuits not the secret coming part. By the way most Protestants do not accept the Pope as the antichrist any more. Many now think and applaud him. They forget the millions of Christians the past popes murdered.

The whole world is starting to think Highly of the Papacy and respect it. Just like prophecy predicted.
---Samuel on 7/15/08


The pretrib rapture is a relatively recent doctrine, last hundred years or so. It appeals to people who fear persecution. It is very American.
---old_guy on 7/14/08




It is true Nicole that the RCC has not adopt the Dispensationalism of Darby and the secret rapture.

But the RCC did have a hand in the rapture theory. The RCC adopted futurism a belief that the Antichrist was yet future and a single person. That theory is part of the rapture theory.
---Samuel on 7/14/08


Nicole,

The rapture theory that Christians don't go through tribulation was started by Jesuit Priests to turn the tide of Catholics that were becoming Protestants due to the abuses of the Catholic Church. Darby in the 1830s picked up this doctrine from the Catholic Church. After the Protestants picked up the doctrine, they started saying the Pope was the anti-christ that Christians would be raptured from in the tribulation. The Jesuit doctrine backfired on the Catholic Church and then they denounced the theory.
---Moderator on 7/14/08


How true..by not understanding all of Gods Word INCLUDING lessons from OT..relying on fantasies of men duped by false rapture started by rcc later adopted by protestants in 1800's..all lessons given to us in OT are ignored by rapture theorists--Rhonda

Rhonda, this is the first time I ever heard that the RCC started the rapture!

You are just making things up!

Protestants are the ones who made up this false sense of the escape.

Quit making statements with no footnotes to confirm your crazy lies.

EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE RCC DOES NOT BELIEVE IN THE RAPTURE!

This is a Protestants belief which other Protestants debated against each other for centuries.

The RCC has never defended this confusion.
---Nicole on 7/14/08


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There is a rapture. It will come in the twinkling of an eye.
1 Corinthians 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet
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Key Phrase: at the LAST TRUMPET ...trumpet will be heard across entire earth ...signifies Christ return to establish his Kingdom NOT beginning of tribulation ...tribulation has ENDED at the LAST TRUMP not begun

To understand 1 Corin 15:52 look to 1Thess 4:16, Rev 11:15 signifies Christs GLORIOUS RETURN to earth to RULE at the LAST TRUMPET ..."rapture" just a man made term referring to an antichrist doctrine ...the RESURRECTION happens at the LAST TRUMP

remember the LAST TRUMPET occurs AFTER the FIRST 6 which bring total destruction upon the EARTH
---Rhonda on 7/12/08


There is a rapture. It will come in the twinkling of an eye.
1 Corinthians 15:52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
Isaiah 27:12-13 talks about the coming of the Lord and gathering up one by one.
We who truly are God's children will be saved and the tribulation will begin on those who are left.
---dayce on 7/12/08




There is no rapture, God is no respecter of persons, christains are hopeing to be taken out before the tribulation, but look at all of the first christains who gave there lives because of the romans. God didnt save them, revelation says the beast shall be given power to overcome the saints, well if God didnt save the christains in rome, why would he save them in the time of the antichrist. Another way christains of today try to get an easy salvation. The rapture wasnt preached until the late 1800s and it was a theory. Christ said be faithful unto death and I will give you a crown of life.
---wayne on 7/11/08


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...our knowledge of Scripture is "dumbed-down".
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How true ...by not understanding all of Gods Word INCLUDING lessons from OT ...relying on fantasies of men duped by false rapture started by rcc later adopted by protestants in 1800's ...all lessons given to us in OT are ignored by rapture theorists ...these show how God PROTECTED ancient Israel ...He didn't vacuum them up to heaven while he corrected rest of mankind

Luke 21:36 where Christ warns Christians to watch pray be counted worthy to ESCAPE ...the word escape requires action ...escape doesnt imply one will be plucked off of earth to never never land
---Rhonda on 7/11/08


If the rapture does exist, it is only at the 2nd coming of Jesus.

Jesus didn't say He was returning like a drive thru in the sky picking up Saved people and then a 2nd time. He only stated He was coming a 2nd time. Either you are ready or not.

No one is left behind like that fiction movies series made about some left behind.

Jesus only said He was returning once and that's at the end of the world as we know it today. That is Scripture. No other time besides his 2nd coming.

A drive thru is made up by some Christains that isn't Scripture.
No one will be left for 7 years.
---Nicole on 7/11/08


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1.
I saw the souls of them that were BEHEADED for the witness of Jesus. Paul was!!!

The NT Saints have the Witness of JESUS!!! Christ in You!!

2. and for the word of God, ...that would be All Saints throughout history..

3. and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, .....Yes...those now going through the Great Tribulation

and they ***LIVED and ***REIGNED with Christ a 1000 years.



---kathr4453 on 7/11/08


I agree with moderator and like to add a few comments. Sadly, Christianity today lacks the Jewish background of the Scriptures. Subsequently, our knowledge of Scripture is "dumbed-down". I can list many examples, but not now. Pre-trib, mid-trib, and post-trib issues are cleared up by sound understanding of the Feast Days which are all prophetic. The order of the Feast Days on God's calendar, the Feast of Trumpets, fullfilled by the rapture, happens before the "10 awesome days" leading to Yom Kippor and Feast of Tabernacles. Separation of "goats and sheep" answers the question about who the true believers are during the tribulation. Read "The Footsteps of the Messiah" by Dr. Arnold Fruchtenbaum.
---Ron on 7/3/08


President Nicolas Sarkozy was in combative mood Monday as France assumed leadership of the European Union, criticizing the bloc's trade chief and warning Europe's central bank against raising interest rates.

Some analysts have questioned whether Sarkozy's sometimes brash and often direct style will be suited to the task of building consensus among the EU's 27 member nations as France holds the rotating presidency for the next six months.

The EU is facing formidable problems in high oil prices, the threat to overseas sales from the euro's strength against the U.S. dollar and uncertainty about the bloc's future after Ireland's voters rejected a reform treaty this month.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/30/08


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Therewill be a millinial reign, humans in the new earth,the Kingdom in the New Jerusalem and humanity will have a thousand yrs of peace with Christ. Most of humanity will be saved .
---Danelle on 5/2/08

Here's what John says:
Rev. 20
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were BEHEADED for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands, and THEY LIVED and REIGNED with Christ a 1000 years.


You need to reread the Whole chapter & understand!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/28/08


Everyone_Luke21:
36 WATCH YE therefore, and PRAY always, that YE may BE accounted WORTHY to ESCAPE ALL these things that shall come TO PASS, and to stand before the Son of man.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/20/08

I don't care what "WORD"(Rapture,ect.) people Give IT.
"ESCAPE" in ANY language, means GETTING out of Something.
IN this instance, IT'S the Wrath That's Coming!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/3/08


"Rapture" is found in the Holy Bible in I Thessalonians 4:17, in Greek it is "harpagisometha", translated into English as "caught up". Please Read- I Thessalonians 4:15-18. We the redeemed of God are the born-again Christians, the firstfruits of Christ Jesus. And as in Noah's day, members of the Christ body will be taken, and the members of the other body left behind. Please Read- Daniel 12:1-3+ Matthew 24:36-44+ II Peter 3:10-14+ Revelation 20:6 thru Revelation 21:1.
---Eloy on 5/3/08


You will not find the rapture mentioned anywhere in the Bible. There will be no taking up of a few and leaving the rest to suffer. He will send His angels to gather His ELECT from the four winds of the earth to meet Him in the air (Saints) Therewill be a millinial reign, humans in the new earth,the Kingdom in the New Jerusalem and humanity will have a thousand yrs of peace with Christ. Most of humanity will be saved .
---Danelle on 5/2/08


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Moderator:Some one on this site mentioned that all they had to do was read the moderators views,[ usually correct], and they could avoid all the rest of the drivel. I agree with you wholeheartedly. Thank you. In Christ\Ian
---Ian_8763 on 5/1/08


In 1948 3 belonged Brussels, Belgium & Luxemburg, 1990's 7 more joined =ing 10,
The 2 legs of Iron(east & west)became one & the Feet of Iron Mixed W/Clay and in that Gov. 10 toes(nations)would rise then the 11th(little horn) then 12 & 13, Then the World.
WERE up to 28 Nations, What in the World is so hard to See? Unbelievable!

If the 10 toes happened as you say, What happened to The AC's 7 yr. rule & 7 yr. trib. & the End Times?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/26/08


In 1948 3 belonged Brussels, Belgium & Luxemburg, 1990's 7 more joined =ing 10,
The 2 legs of Iron(east & west)became one & the Feet of Iron Mixed W/Clay and in that Gov. 10 toes(nations)would rise then the 11th(little horn) then 12 & 13, Then the World.
WERE up to 28 Nations, What in the World is so hard to See? Unbelievable!

If the 10 toes happened as you say, What happened to The AC's 7 yr. rule & 7 yr. trib. & the End Times?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/26/08


Those are VERY compelling facts seal.

I was aware of them previously, along with more information leading to the end of the Papacy showing itself as Anti-Christ.

However, to be convinced and zealous without full proof is a fool's errand. The time will come when such things will be revealed beyond the shadow of speculation we are dealing in now. In other words when I see it, I'll believe it.
---pharisee on 4/24/08


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Dudley: 10 Kingdoms were established by 476 AD. A "Little Horn Came up Among them" and ruled for 1260 days (years). Please note that the Vatican is a "little horn" It rose to full power in 538 AD after the "three horns were plucked up" (Vandals, Heruli, Ostrogoths). 538 + 1260 = 1798AD. In 1798 the Vatican "recieved a deadly wound" by Napoleons forces shutting it down."Wound was healed" when in 1929 Mousolini reinstated the "City on 7 Hills"
---SeventhSeal on 4/23/08


SS_ they broke into two in 467 AD. Leo of the Eastern Prov. & Libius Severus of the Western prov. In the east Zeno was restored, but in the west the Germanic mercenary Odoacer seized power.Odoacer chose not to be Augustus himself, nor to serve another western Augustus, but to be the viceroy of one Roman emperor in Constantinople.
The western Roman empire had ceased to be.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/22/08


Lisa,

I believe Jesus second coming and the Rapture will be around the same time. I don't believe the rapture is at the beginning of a seven year tribulation. I believe Christians will be here during the tribulation. The Pre-tribuation rapture theory has a bad history starting with Jesuit priests that made it up, to Darby who spread the theory, and Scofield's bible that further spread the theory. Historically, Christians never believed in a pre-trib rapture until the 1830s.
---Moderator on 4/22/08


This usually peaks the Curiosity of people into looking at Scripture for themselves.
Unfortunately, Most People now days are so "Desensitised" to The Love Story(Gospel-Milk)or the Fire Breathers(Gods Wrath-Meat) that proclaim "the word" of God with Authority, They'll just dismiss the Word of God Altogether.
Back to the ? at hand,
When The AC stands up, The people here will have a choice, Take the Mark or Don't take the Mark, The choice is yours!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/22/08


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Dudley: You are close...Rome fell apart into the loose association of 10 nation states known as the "Holy Roman Empire" Among which another "little Horn" arose among "the seven hills upon which the harlot sitteth"
---SeventhSeal on 4/22/08


Moderator, what is your opinion about the rapture?
---lisa on 4/22/08


W.History, Encyclopedia & Daniel's bk.
1st show them in the H.B & the Enc.,Rulers from Babylon to the Romans, Show them how Israel is right in the Middle of ALL this & Destroyed by Titus in 70 AD.
Open Daniels Book and show them how the Head of Gold was Bab., the Br. & Arms the Medes & Persians, Belly & Thys the Greeks, Legs of IRON The Romans, The Feet of IRON & Clay W/10 toes,Which I believe to be the E.U. The countries that belong, Use to be part of Rome!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/22/08


I truly enjoy this stuff. Please tell me what your opinion of the meaning of tribulation is and what conclusions do you draw about a "mark of the beast", "doom", and "eternity of hell"? I believe it is safe to assume that you are only speaking to a religious community that holds to those values, but what about those who understand nothing but abusive language from religious "preachers". How do you explain this to a non-religious community. Thanks.
---Cheryl on 4/21/08


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Luke21:
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted WORTHY to ESCAPE all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/20/08


"who is taken at the end of the tribulation?" No one.

If you are asking who will be resurrected and changed "He that believes (relies on, adheres to, trust in and depends upon) Him (Jesus, The Christ) is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name (authority and character) of the only begotten Son of God." Who are these? Only the Father knows for sure, for only He knows the heart.
---josef on 4/17/08


Steveng, I am in total agreement with you on that. I reject anything Scofield wrote in his dispentational scheme.
---amicusdei on 4/17/08


amicusdei: "The Scofield Reference Bible teaches the Rapture in no uncertain terms, and millions use that Bible. So who's to argue with that?"

I shall argue with that. The Scofield Reference Bible is one man's interpretation of the Bible.
---Steveng on 4/17/08


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josef: "along with everyone who's name is not found written in the lamb's book of life."

The book of life will be opened at the end of the thousand year rein of Christ. So, the question is, "who is taken at the end of the tribulation?"
---Steveng on 4/17/08


The Scofield Reference Bible teaches the Rapture in no uncertain terms, and millions use that Bible. So who's to argue with that?
---amicusdei on 4/17/08


Robin,
Rev. 13:15-17
Does'nt say anything about "The Faithful"
That Ch. & verse Are those that have been left here.
The Bride Who has Readied itself for That Day is taken(raptured), Not those who are Faithful to God, Like Christians and others that have A FORM of Godliness, But DENY the Power thereof.

I'd Rather get on the Boat(Rapture),
Then, have to swim UNTIL thrown a lifejacket(Head cut off).
I'm ready for Either though, BECAUSE he won't let me/us DROWN!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/17/08


What's the significance of a rapture?
None of us may live to see it even if it happens.

Plus if Christians had to go thru the tribulation why should we fear it when we know Psalms 23 teaches us that our Father is with us in the Valley of the shadow of death?

Besides all that, there are Christians around the world who are living through hell on earth "tribulations" today. Just ask any foreign missionary.
---AG on 4/17/08


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I have a general admonition to the "Pre-Tribbers" and it is this...READ IT AS IT WAS WRITTEN!
In all the events in Matt.24, WHEN is Christ's return mentioned,
Not until verse 30!
Look at 2nd Thess.2:1-5.
Let no one decieve you...That day will not come UNLESS
1) The Apostasy comes first, and...
2) The man of sin is revealed
What's more, no church mentioned in Rev. 4:1, The "absence" of the church is at best, an argument of silence.
---timoth8496 on 4/17/08


After all that Job endured, Job remained faithful to God, but it was not simple faith that kept Job true to God, it was Job's LOVE.

So,you see, there are two meanings of faith in scripture (simple TRUST, and LOVE TRUST, Romans 1:17 "faith for faith").

The book of Job was not about faith, it was about LOVE. The tribulation has nothing to do with those who LOVE God the way we should.
---greg on 4/17/08


People who have no love in their hearts can have faith (I have faith in the laws of physics, but I don't LOVE them).

People that claim to have faith in their hearts (impossible, only love can be in a person's heart IF it is also in their MIND) are not ready for The Lord's kingdom.

IF you are going to LOVE God, then your relationship must not be based on faith, it must be based on LOVE. It is true that God chose us, but your relationship must be based on the fact that you also CHOSE HIM.
---greg on 4/17/08


If those faithful to God are taken away before the tribulation, then how do you explain Rev. 13:15-17 Which says that the faithful will not be able to buy or sell and will be killed (who don't worship the beast).
---robin8683 on 4/17/08


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During this year thousands of people who are Christians will be murdered for following JESUS. See Voice of the Martyrs. Why do people in the U.S. think that they will get a free pass?

Mat 5:11 Blessed are ye, when [men] shall revile you, and persecute [you], and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake.
---Samuel on 4/17/08


1). "exactly what is that happened to Christians during the tribulation" "Then shall they deliver you up to councils to be afflicted, and in the synagogues you shall be beaten, you shall be brought before rulers and kings for My sake, as a testimony against them. You will be hated of all nations for My names sake." "Will they all be killed?" "Some of you shall they cause to be put to death. But there shall not an hair of your head perish." Cont.
---josef on 4/17/08


2). "will they take the mark of the beast" The deceived, yes, along with everyone who's name is not found written in the lamb's book of life. Will they "thereby doom themselves to an eternity of hell? No. However They will experience the tremendous regret and embarrassment of having bowed themselves to the deception of the counterfeit christ. "Blessed is he that watches and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame."
---josef on 4/17/08


Jack.Do you have a reply?
Did not Enoch,Elijah and Moses ascend?
I would like to know why you state 'Wrong' in my post.
---earl on 4/16/08


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True Christians will flee to a place of safety ...just like ancient Israel ...God will protect true Christians here on earth during tribulation

Noah wasn't supernaturally whisked away when God destroyed earth ...just like in Noahs time when He WARNED people to get in ark and they laughed ...many today laugh ignoring Gods Word instructing them to watch and pray ...action will be needed to flee ...they laugh sincerely beleiving in the antichrist doctrine that they will be whisked away
---Rhonda on 4/16/08


Counted worthy to escape (Luke 21:36) escape where? flee into the mountains (Matt 24:16)

...the women (Gods Church) flees to the mountains nourished for 3 1/2 years(Rev. 12) ...as Christ described in (Matt 24:16-20) ...when Christ returns He will resurrect the dead in Christ first, then His protected Church (the ones who remain) at the LAST TRUMP(Corin 15:50-53) ...to rule on earth (Rev 5:10)
---Rhonda on 4/16/08


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In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says that the dead in Christ shall rise first then the ones remaining will meet Jesus in the air
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Christ only returns ONCE ...when HE does as explained in this verse it is at THE LAST trump ...there is no place in scripture to support Christ returning "secretly" to collect true Christians BEFORE the tribulation
---Rhonda on 4/16/08


** Jack.Did not Enoch,Elijah and Moses ascend?**

See my posting below.
---Jack on 4/16/08


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I agree with Jack's answer to this question.
---Mima on 4/16/08


Jack.Did not Enoch,Elijah and Moses ascend?
If not, how do you make your conclusion?
Your statement of,"Jesus ascended to heaven under his own power"must be your reference to another's statement,not mine.
What does your reply of Wrong descriptive of?
---earl on 4/16/08


**As far as a rapture ,there is what is called special resurections where,Enoch, Moses and Elijah ascended.**

=== * W * R* O * N * G * ===

Jesus ascended into heaven by His own power as God.

Enoch (and possibly Moses) were ASSUMED into heaven by a direct act of God.
---Jack on 4/16/08


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I suggest reading a phrase dictionary telling the many ways to say that a person kicked the bucket, bit the dust, he flew on the wings of the wind to the happy hunting ground, etc
**

Steveng ...that last phrase is the funniest never heard that one before

although we are in major disagreement over on the 911 blog I must say a big Amen here ...perfect post using scripture
---Rhonda on 4/16/08


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Moses won't be one of the witnesses. It will be Enoch and Elijah. Because they have not seen death. In Matthew 24:1-51 was a parable from Jesus Christ. The true Christians will not face the great tribulation, only the unsaved. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 says that the dead in Christ shall rise first then the ones remaining will meet Jesus in the air. Then the great tribulation there will be some saved. Those are the ones that came out of the tribulation. Revelation 7:13-17.
---Rebecca_D on 4/15/08


Steveng, Very Good! However, read Rev. 11:1,2 and you will see a judgment for the innercourt people (KOH) first. This is when the splitting of the ten virgins happens and it is before the time of trouble. The 144,000 are first, the KOH second and then the mass multitude standing before the throne. As for no one ascending into heaven-that is not quite right either. Jesus said no one has ascended AND come back down (yet), but the Son of Man. But overall, you are close.
---Dr.Rich on 4/15/08


Stevenq,Have you read where John saw those ascenders that did not take the mark of the beast?
Did you also read where Paul spoke of the ascenders who followed Jesus after the resurection-the multitude of "captives."In the KJV we read "he led captivity captive".
Is this not a resurection?
As far as a rapture ,there is what is called special resurections where,Enoch, Moses and Elijah ascended.
---earl on 4/15/08


This is a frivolous debate. But if you must, let's reason this out.

First, There is only One Judgement Day, not two. If people are raptured at the beginning, judgement has been pronounced, because the Christians were taken and the evil people left on Earth. But it is written that both the tares and the wheat will be harvested at the same time.
---Steveng on 4/15/08


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Second, there is nothing new under the sun. No one in history was ever raptured. Jesus himself said no one has ascended into heaven. Neither Moses or Elijah will be the witnesses. God even says that he buried Moses in a valley. I suggest reading a phrase dictionary telling the many ways to say that a person kicked the bucket, bit the dust, he flew on the wings of the wind to the happy hunting ground, etc.
---Steveng on 4/15/08


Third, Every time there was a catastrophe, Godly men and women were not raptured, but were protected by God while still on earth. Noah and his family, David and his friends, the Israelites during the plagues, etc. The Christians during the tribulation period will be protected the same way by the mark of God. All humanity is in the same boat and will experience the same thing, but Christians are protected.
---Steveng on 4/15/08


Forth, There are only two resurrections, not three. If there was a pre-trib rapture, there would be three resurrections - one at the beginning of the tribulation period, one at the end of the tribulation (to bring up the Christians and converted ones), and one at the end of the thousand year period. It's written that blessed are those who rise during the first resurrection. The second resurrection is at the end of the thousand year period.
---Steveng on 4/15/08


Fifth, Why have a tribulation if the Christians were taken up and the evil left on earth? Many Christians believe that they would rise before the tribulation to escape Gods wrath. But why would the dead be taken? Can the dead feel the wrath of God on Earth if theyre dead?
---Steveng on 4/15/08


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Sixth, how can you Christians be so vain to think you are more special than the Christians and Godly people who died in all of history. Don't be afraid about what is about to happen during these end times for God promised to protect you from his wrath. Persecution, on the other hand, is what we will face. Are you willing to die for Jesus like all the other Godly people and Christians in the past? Now is the time to strengthen your relationship with God.
---Steveng on 4/15/08


Seventh, the verses that most Christians believe that pertain to the rapture can be easily plugged into the beginning, the middle or the end of the so-called tribulation period. Christians will be going through the tribulation much like all the other people who gone through tribulation in the past like the Israelites in Egypt during the plagues, Noah and his family, and all the remnants. Dont worry though if your faith in God is strong, He will protect you.
---Steveng on 4/15/08


Eight, why would Jesus command the Christians to flee if they are going to be raptured without harm?
---Steveng on 4/15/08


Last, but not least, we will be warned about it before it happens.

So, forget about this rapture thing, about the age of the universe, about knowing how the Earth began, or when it will end, about dinosaurs, about "Whos on first, What's on second and I-don't-knows on third." Teach the Gospel that Jesus taught - the Gospel of the soon to come Kingdom of God and how to get there. Go out into the world and spread the Gospel. For the harvest is plenty, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 4/15/08


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There is NO such thing as a 'rapture'. Rev. 7 gives us the true picture. Here we see God's servants, the 144,000 who have been sealed before the tribulation and then we see another group who became sanctified from the testimony of the 144k AND the 5 wise bridesmaids during the time of trouble. They all go thru it, but it is not a test for the 144k. (Rev.3:10)
---Dr.Rich on 4/15/08


This Rapture theory sounds a bit like false security to me. We will have to go through the Tribulation if we are alive at the time. I do not believe in the pre-Trib Rapture. What is going to happen in that scenario? Will 'UFOs' come down and collect the Chosen People? Don't be fooled into getting on board. Don't be deceived. Remember the Antichrist will claim to be God. More likely it is NASA doing a psychological black operation.
---frances008 on 4/15/08


I believe that these three things will happen before the rapture
1. Every human on earth will have had the chance to accept or reject the True Christ, Son of God.
2. The whole world will be brought under the Pope at Rome, via whatever world religion(s) are needed.
3. The temple will be rebuilt on Solomon's Mount and the Pope will be installed there.
4. The Mark of the Beast will be begged for by all non-Christians, because it will be the only means of buying and selling.
---frances008 on 4/15/08


I wonder if the christians while locked
up just before the Romans fed them to the
lions said,"The lord will rapture us and
never let his church go through this".
Even the two witnesses in revelaton are
killed at one point,and their bodies lie
in the street. The belief that the lord
won't let his church go through tribulation
just don't seem to hold water, even though
a rapture would be nice.
---Michael on 4/15/08


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Millions will lose their heads the last half of the 7 yrs.
IF their was no Rapture of the Bride,
MILLIONS more will lose their Heads!
In fact it's NO big deal, I'm ready one way or the Other!
When i was 12(1974) I told God i was willing to stay behind & be used by Him to help the lost & that i would stand in the face of the AC for HIM, as David did Goliath.
My family would tell you I Fear Nothing, BUT
the Wrath of God!
My Father is a Consuming Fire!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/15/08


Jesus made it abundantly clear that the Church would go through the Tribulation.

Some Christians will be killed, some won't. Some will take the Mark of the BEast, some won't.

But those Christians who think they are going to be raptured before the Tribulation will be among the first to fall down and worship Antichrist.
---Jack on 4/15/08


By "Rapture", we mean "the resurrection" of which Paul speaks in 2 Timothy 2:18 > "who have strayed concerning the truth, saying that

the resurrection

is already past, and they overthrow the faith of some." The Rapture is the resurrection from the dead of those who sleep in Christ, AND the resurrection of the saints still alive, mima. So, if it is post-trib., not all will have died.
---Bill_bila5659 on 4/15/08


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