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What Is A True Christian

One of the Moderators of this site said: We will find out that there are truly few true Christians versus those that call themselves Christians. What makes one a TRUE Christian? Is it praying alot? Obedience to His Word? Winning Souls to Jesus?

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A true Christian's love for Christ,defines their love for The Father.
With the eyes of Christ given, sees the pure heart in their brother.

A true Christian humbles...listens....follows...and preforms what ever is told by the Father.
A true Christian understands reconciliation...the Oneness they have IN-Christ with the Father to thier brother.
A love so profound it's strenght eases forgiveness.
A love so pure, love lives and sin dies...
A love so true...
it covers...
it changes...
it pertects.
---char on 8/19/08


Just as the Father and Son are real, so is the Holy Spirit. And, what does Jesus say? Only those baptised in the Holy Spirit.
---Kenny on 8/18/08


a true Christian is born from Christ, and Christ lives in us bearing fruits from Christ: And the mark of God is that a true Christian is treated like Christ was treated.
---Eloy on 8/18/08


Jesus gave the standard,when he said,
"If you love me, you will obey my commandments." We will be judged according to his word. It is not enough, just to hear it, we must also obey it.
---gayla on 8/17/08


Mark 10:17-27 tells about the man who "had great possessions" and came to kneel before Jesus and ask Jesus what the man needed to do that he may "inherit eternal life". Jesus asked him if he had kept the commandments. OH YES, he said. But I'll bet Jesus full well knew the guy had NOT been loving his poor neighbor as himself, and so he wasn't playing with a full deck. But even though Jesus knew this man's heart to be false, here is how He related with him >

"Then Jesus, looking at him,

loved him,

and said to him...."

So, Jesus *loved first*, t-h-e-n spoke, even with someone I'd say was not being on the level with Him.
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/21/08




well donna,love seems to be a word that people today bandy about after their ,oh say 2nd or 3rd divorce.oh iam looking for love again.so do people really love God?really OBEY God?for you shall love God with ALL YOUR HEART,MIND ,AND STRENGTH,AND LOVE YOUR NEIGNBOR AS YOURSELF.are people doing this?
---tom2 on 7/20/08


Well, a new Christian needs to grow. I notice how the disciples fought among themselves, even while right with Jesus. "Do all things without complaining and disputing," (Philippians 2:14)

"be content with such things as you have" (in Hebrews 13:5)

I'd say a real Christian will obviously minister to improve you in how you know the Bible, get better at loving all people, and even personally relate with God. Any child of God is His partner to help improve us.

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body, and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/20/08


A true Christian doesn't just talk about it.He/she doesn't just talk but they do what the Bible commands.They are kind,considerate as much like Jesus every day as possible and yes they do read the word and follow it and pray.
---shirley on 7/20/08


Paul gave a concise definition:

Philippians 3:3, "For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh."

Worship God in the spirit - not dependant on specific forms or places of worship. (John 4:20-24)

rejoice in Christ Jesus - the only source of salvation Habakkuk 3:18, "I will joy in the God of my salvation."

no confidence in the flesh - nothing we can do can will save us or ad to our salvation. Ephesians 2:8-9, "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast." (cf Romans 4:1-8)
---BRUCE5656 on 7/20/08


More Ex way, you do a great job when answering Scripture, that's why I find your answer very remarkable here.

I just answered a response you put down about the churches. "ongoing giving to the Church" You judged all Churches as corrupt and pastors as money hungry. Even those who had good intentions as not knowing nothing about Scripture. Were you in this response answering about your judgment because somehow you were convicted by the Spirit? Or were you condemning those others who judge but not yourself? Don't you see how this comes back?
---Mark_V. on 7/20/08




A true Christian is someone with the love for Jesus in his heart. That wants to be like him,so...they follow his teachings, repent, has a relationship with Christ,etc... You can go through all the steps, do the Christian dance and trick the ones around you but you can't fool God. He can see into our hearts and know our true desires.
---dayce on 7/20/08


If you want to set yourself up as JUDGE and always JUDGE people, then the logical thing to do is become a 'great decider' and always look for evidence and proof, but if you'd rather not JUDGE (be judgemental) or be a puffed up and condescending control freak, then you can learn genuine humility and leave all the judgement to the one true judge (your own choice).
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/08


Thank you Duane, I just wanted to clear that point out about evidence that we see coming from others.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/08


There is no way to tell who is a true Christian. Words and deeds can always be deceptive and false.
---old_guy on 7/17/08


Mark,
I understand that. I would say, our lack of good works show lack of faith but works in themselves show nothing without knowing the heart.
---duane on 7/17/08


Duane, the evidence I am talking about is evidence to other people. Those that see you in life. It is not evidence to God. God already knows who He had mercy on. This is important to believers because many churches in Scripture were allowing people in their churches who were doing terrible things and they claimed to be save. In order for the leaders of the church to keep order they had to get rid of many or else the whole church went down the gutter. There was clear evidence of the terrible things and no one was doing anything. So the evidence of a true Christain is important to us in those cases. One doesn't have to be legalistic about someone else. But some fruits should show from another. Not perfect fruits but some fruits.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/08


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Young Christians who are still being trained (2 Timothy 3:16) in the word of truth may find instruction helpful, but in your spiritual growth, you will find no better teacher than The Lord Himself (1 John 2:27).

When you have a peaceful and just spirit, your goodness will be of your own freewill (conscience, Philemon verse 14)) and you will make a clear division (as with a sword) between right and wrong so that there will be no middle ground between the two ("no shadow or variation", James 1:17) and the change from good to evil will be clear and abrupt.

Be transformed into a new creation by...
"the renewal of your MIND", Romans 12:2).

All verses are from the RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 7/16/08


It is very important for a Christian to have a good understanding of spiritual love (God is LOVE, 1 Corinthians chapter 13 is the LOVE chapter).


Agape, philos, eros, and storge are different love RELATIONSHIPS, not TYPES of love ("God is ONE", Galatians 3:20).

The institutional teachings/explanations about Christianity are WRONG, they are built on MAMMON. God says "MY sheep HEAR my voice" (John 10:27). He does not say 'My sheep are good readers'. There are many people in the world that don't know how to read at all.
---more_excellent_way on 7/17/08


A true Christian will learn the introductory doctrine of Jesus (Hebrews 6:1, "word of truth", 2 Timothy 2:15, Ephesians 1:13, John 14:6) and move on to a more mature relationship with Jesus (God all inclusive, Colossians 2:9) and have the guarantee (2 Corinthians 1:22, 5:5, Ephesians 1:14, everyone on earth has salvation available to them, Luke 3:6).

We are warned against "self abasement" (Colossians 2:18) so we can develop a good sense of who we are (and a conscience) for 'self' discipline in repentance and we can also have our conscience cleansed (Hebrews 9:14),...but the most important reason is that we can truly relate to and identify with "I am who I am", Exodus 3:14, the Father's FOREVER name).
---more_excellent_way on 7/16/08


A TRUE Christian is a TRUE worshipper (John 4:23)
"But the hour is coming, and now is, when the TRUE worshipers will worship the Father in SPIRIT and TRUTH, for such the Father seeks to worship him".

Many people will resent others for using the term "TRUE" Christian because their own devotion is based on mere TEXT and they 'walk by faith' (we're supposed to "walk by the SPIRIT", Galatians 5:16 and 25).

A true Christian is a 'Godlover' and has received "living WATER" baptism of the spirit, not H2O baptism...Acts 1:5.
---more_excellent_way on 7/16/08


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A true Christian will have a "more excellent" (1 Corinthians 12:31) devotion/relationship based on LOVE, not mere faith (our faith should be borne out of love for God and the people).

We should abide by (live) faith, hope, and love, but the GREATEST is LOVE (1 Corinthians 13:13).

There are 2 messages in scripture (you'll find whichever you look for), one for the carnal mind, and one for the spiritual mind of those who LOVE God and always seek a deeper relationship with Him ("draw near" to Him out of LOVE, Hebrews 11:6).

A true Christian lives according to the PERFECT law (James 1:25, 2:12, Ephesians 2:15) and trusts that they've already been justified in Christ (1 Corinthians 6:11, Galatians 2:16).
---more_excellent_way on 7/16/08


All this talk about works...We should rest in HIM and trust HIM. If we work, we only do it because of our faith, we enjoy work because we love HIM. We have a purpose, to bring glory to God. Only our faith can produce good works acceptable to God. If you have living faith, you will always,always have good works flowing through you.
---duane on 7/15/08


Nicole the Chapter of Matthew begins with do not judge and then goes on to say we should be very discerning indeed, so that we can judge, that you can spot a good person or a bad person by their fruits (not works). God does all the work, and the fruits are godly in a good person. However, as you left out some of the quote, some will say 'Lord Lord did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons, etc, and Jesus will say Get away from me I never knew you, you who do evil.' So the people who do the works were not good trees and in fact, as described in Ch 7 were wolves in sheeps' clothing. Go to 2.
---frances008 on 7/15/08


Matthew 7:19-23"Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire..'Lord,Lord,will enter the Kingdom of God but only the one who does the will of my Father in Heaven..Have we not propheised in your name?.."I never knew you,Out of my sight, you evildoers!"

These people had faith, but no works. It is called work because it takes work to be a Christian day and night.
Don't say, "it's all done of Jesus' Grace." Jesus said in Matt 26:41 Be on guard, and pray that you may not undergo the test. The Spirit is willing but nature is weak."
Spirit is able,but you have to work as well.

What do you think Be on guard means? It's not relaxing, and the opposite of relaxing is working.
---Nicole on 7/15/08


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John in I John points out that if you say you believe in JESUS but walk in hatred and evil then you are lying. Works do not earn salvation on that I agree. But when we do not work for the LORD and hate others we are showing we have no faith and when there is no faith in JESUS then a person is not saved.

JESUS saves us by Grace and we must be Born again to a new creature who walks with GOD. To be like JESUS is our goal.
---Samuel on 7/15/08


Francis008,Great answer, works have nothing to do with salvation. The good works we do, can be called, SOME evidence of faith, but only God will be the judge of our works if they be of faith.
---duane on 7/15/08


It cannot be denied that they do sometimes some of the people in the RCC, freemasons, or Un. do good. But the real agendas are disastrous - as found out by an in depth study of history. Nobody suspects the said groups because they purport (speak) as if they are concerned about the dignity of humanity, but look at the actual results of all their political dealings, etc. At the top levels they are working to destroy humanity. A guy on TV (white in colour) said ''Rape, fear and something else is proving the best way of committing genocide.'' At face value and at a deeper level, he approves of it, though all the sheeple would assume he disapproves of it. Open your eyes and ears and see the reality.
---frances008 on 7/14/08


Duane, the evidence of Salvation is faith, not works. Works is the evidence of Faith. How do we know when someone is saved, because they believe in God. Believing in God they will be transformed, they may even stop doing good works. They will be guided by the Spirit of God who may tell them to evangelize which is a better work than good works. Of course one does not cancel out the other. You may evangelize whilst doing your good works. But good works has nothing to do with salvation. Hebrews 10 makes it clear that Jesus did it all, he finished the process of salvation for the ones who are made perfect. This is the salvation we have to work out in fear and trembling.....that is, we have to rely entirely on Jesus.
---frances008 on 7/14/08


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Mark V and Duane D.
I dont understand the reasoning of the statement: The evidence of salvation is works....Doing good works dont really show salvation. Please explain...
---duane on 7/14/08


Why do you all play with words?

This why there is so much confusion.

What makes one a True Christian?

The word 'Christian' has the word Christ.

If you believe in Jesus Christ as the True God and you worship Him, you are a Christian.

This business of praying and obedience is only stating if the person is a Bad Christian,
a Pius Christian,
or disobedient Christian.

Either you are Saved or you are not.

Jesus doesn't play games.

He said "Whoever BELIEVES and is BAPTIZED will be SAVED." Mark 16:16
---Nicole on 7/14/08


The Bible has this defintion of a true Christian.

1Jo 2:3 Now by this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments.
1Jo 2:4 He who says, "I know Him," and does not keep His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jo 2:5 But whoever keeps His word, truly the love of God is perfected in him. By this we know that we are in Him.
1Jo 2:6 He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked.
---Samuel on 7/14/08


None of the above. A true Christian is one who has the living God living in them, my friend. A Christian is one who trust Jesus Christ to guide their decisions, actions, and attitudes. [Sometimes I am amazed at God's ways]. I will leave it there. In modern times the name Christian has been somewhat emptied of its true meaning as a follower of Christ. I believe it's because everyone claims to be. We are justified not by works but by faith in Jesus Christ. His death, burial, and resurrection, makes it so. Note: Christianity is more than a creed, more than a religion, it is a way of life.
---catherine on 7/14/08


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Mark V_In this "TYPE" of forum(PC) words can be misunderstood very easily.
I too have done it, Now i try to read most of their replies on the ?,
so that i can try and see where their coming from 1st.

Your more than forgiven Brother,
my thoughts, prayers, love & forgiveness
never stops for a person.
Especially children of God!
(I still love & pray for frances008 & others)
that should speak volumes. he he he

EVERYONE, What Mark has said here today,
IS Brotherly LOVE and has set a Good example on how our Father would want us to act towards one another.

I can't wait until were all together!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/25/08


Duane D. Thank you very much for your answer. I am so glad that I was wrong. You don't know how good that makes me feel to know you really don't believe in works. I was wrong and I totally admit it. I was under the impression that one of your answers stated that believers could lose salvation. I don't know why I thought that, since many of your answers are great and for God's glory. I even said on one, what's up with that? Again please forgive me brother. Praise God we can agree on many things. Thanks for clearing that up.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/08


Mark V_ works is evidence of my salvation, not the cause if it.
Just as I told Alan, I don't believe as you say, after been bought child of God,
"you will do nothing" The evidence of my salvation will be my good works. All believers show fruit. Some more then others.

Wondering because,
I BELIEVE your reply and by puting the " " marks on part of my words you have changed what i was saying, Can you see that?

I know Works don't SAVE a person and that our Faith brings forth Works(fruit)that is exceptable by God.
That WAS MY Point, I THOUGHT?
How could you have gotten any other thing out of what my reply was?
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/24/08


I think the only true Christian was Jesus. Unlike all other professing Christians, he didn't care at all what other people thought of him.
---John1944 on 6/24/08


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I don't see how Nana's response could be called sinful or anything else. I just FLAT did not understand it.
---catherine on 6/24/08


Hello Duane D. You are losing it. "If I don't understand what you are saying, there is no way I can understand what God is saying" I have to understand you in order to understand God's Word? You got to be kidding. Maybe you didn't mean that at all.
Believers will work for Christ, some more then others. But there will be fruit. You said, "If the Lord has given you, you had better had some interest for Him when He shows us" Are you saying some true Christians don't have interest for Him? Maybe I am reading this wrong, am I? I am sure all true believers have every interest for God. Those that don't cannot possibly be saved. I believed your comments were in support of works, that is why I answered you.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/08


Nana, your reply is sinful. "Ladies" Warrick is correct, many do works of the law, they still don't understand the Sovereignty of God, others do it to pull the true believer from trusting in the works of Christ and trusting in the works of the individual. Our works didn't get us anywhere when we were lost. Now it is a new beginning by faith. "the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth" is what its all about. 1 Cor. 5:8-13, Paul never intended himself or the church to be judges of unbelievers outside the church, but to judge those inside (1 Peter 4:17). Those on the outside are for God to judge and believers to evangelize. Those who sin on the inside, the church is to put out, verse 13.
---Mark_V. on 6/24/08


Mark V_I must be losing it,
"IF you think" you can become a Blood bought child of God "AND THEN" just kick back and DO nothing OR CONtinue to willfully sin,
YOU are in for a Rude awakening!

Your as bad with what i write as you are sometimes with Gods words Brother,
and if you cant even understand what I'm saying, there's no way you understand what Gods saying...

"after been bought child of God, you will do nothing"

"Do nothing and continue to willfully sin,"

This is what you do to Gods word too, MISQUOTE IT!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/24/08


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None of the above. "Many are called few are chosen". Don't give in to Satan, you may be chosen soon.++
---catherine on 6/24/08


You "ladies" remind me of them spoken in 1 Timothy 5:12_13. You rather that all men confess themselves to you that perchance you may accept and approve them. So you speak. Not even Scripture approves of all Christians, yet you pretend to extend a blanket certification to all of them, as if shooting arrows in the dark. Have you not read 1 Corinthians 5:9_13? Exodus 22:21: "Thou shalt neither vex a stranger, nor oppress him: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt." Remember Joseph? Lets see how Paul speaks of a good woman, 1 Tomothy 5:10. Have you "diligently followed every good work", Warwick? No, your words betray any such understanding!
---Nana on 6/24/08


Duane D. M, we do work for Christ, we are servants, (worker as you say) and my works is evidence of my salvation, not the cause if it. Just as I told Alan, I don't believe as you say, " after been bought child of God, you will do nothing" The evidence of my salvation will be my good works. All believers show fruit. Some more then others.
Then you say, "Do nothing and continue to willfully sin," Every sin is willfully. Unless someone has a gun to your head. It is your will to commit that sin. You might not want to and know you should not, but you willfully do anyway. Works will count for all believers, they are for our rewards. There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 6/23/08


If you think you can become a Blood bought child of God and then just kick back and DO nothing OR CONtinue to willfully sin,
YOU are in for a Rude awakening!

As I've said before, Works that were done before you became a Child of God Acomplished nothing for your SOUL, BUT works "after" has done Much!
Many of you have brought people to the Lord with your words of God,
IS that not a Laborer(WORKER)for the things of God?

If the Lord has given to you, You had better have some INTREST for him when he shows up,
For whom much has been given, MUCH will be Required.
And I don't mean MONEY, either!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/23/08


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MarkV I think many believe in a works-based salvation because they have been indoctrinated into their denominations beliefs. They haven't personally thought the issues and the Scriptures through.

I think others gravitate towards works for the reason you gave, that they want to be in control, whereas you and I know we have submitted our lives gladly into His control.

Yes we do have some Olympic standard Scripture twisters here. Gold medals at least!
---Warwick on 6/23/08


A true Christian is the one who has been born again. That is the way that God sees it. Men look at things different and are not near as gracious as our Lord. There are different degrees of faithfulness in Christians, but that doesn't make them any less a Christian.
---Debbie_Jo on 6/23/08


Warrick,
I totally agree with your answer. Oh, I seen many twist passage's to their liking. If Christ say's, I will sustain you, they say, how can He if I don't let Him?" Or if God says. whomsoever believeth in Me has eternal life" they say he doesn't because it is up to them to have eternal life, not up to God? The same answers as Nana. They make what is possible for God impossible by adding the works of the law as the means by which God can only Work, otherwise He is restrained from doing anything, some ruler He is I suppose. Their own works as the only way anything God says can come true. God, the Ruler of the Universe under the restrain of men. My Lord is Ruler of my life. In their case, they rule.
---Mark_V. on 6/23/08


Nana Scripture disagrees with you, telling us that a Christian is one who has admitted their sin and asked for and received His gift of forgiveness and salvation.

Nowhere in Scripture does it say our personal goodness saves us, making us Christian.

In fact Scripture says all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God.
---Warwick on 6/23/08


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Warwick,
I do not agree with yer take,
1 John 4:20: "If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?" How far from the kingdom of God is man who is loving, kind, honest,considerate? I say closer than a "Christian" who is not. A man enters into life with those traits (Matthew 19:17_19) and so important is the reationship amogst ourselves that Jesus said, Matthew 5:24: "Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way, first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift."
---Nana on 6/23/08


A true Chrstain is the one who keeps his/her eyes on Jesus and his finished work rather than his/her performances.
---Hagere on 6/22/08


I believe Dan has said it well in describing what a Christian is, in that he correctly says firstly that:

'I believe a true Christian is one who is:
1. Saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ.'

A person is not a Christian because they have, love, joy, peace, patience etc as these are fruit of the Spirit, that which should follow salvation.

I have met many non believers who are loving, kind, honest,considerate people but sadly they are not Christian because they have not accepted God's free gift of salvation through faith in the finished work of Jesus upon the cross.

Their 'goodness' will not save them.


---Warwick on 6/22/08


A true christian is someone who understands.and doesn't abandon you.
---Deborah on 6/21/08


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tom2,
The abundant life of the apostles was not a worldly abundance, but in Christ.
---Ken on 6/4/08


Greg,
Jesus never abolished the law. In fact, he gave us an eleventh commandment. Do you know what it is?
---Ken on 6/4/08


Identification in the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Paul preached in Galatians...I am Cricified with Christ...no longer I but Christ IN ME. He also said in Galatians any other Gospel is accursed. The Mystery of Christ IN YOU and You In Christ, comes only through this identification...Our history in Adam 1 ended at calvary..we are a New creation In Him.
---kathr4453 on 6/3/08


John the Baptist put it this way: "my time has ended for I baptize with water." He (Jesus) will baptize with fire and The Holy Spirit." Pauls letters to the churches confirms that without baptism of The Holy Spirit entry into Gods Kingdom is impossible. One must open their heart to recieve it. Jesus said, "No one shall enter my Fathers kingdom except through me"
---Ken on 5/29/08


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Genuine Christians are in close, caring, and loving relationships with other believers, and these Christians also are functioning as a unified Body led, taught, and filled by ONE Spirit. Moreover, these believers have ONE Hope of their calling, ONE Lord, ONE Faith, ONE Baptism, and ONE Father who is God (Ephesians 4:4-6). That's why people find God's Gospel message to be credible when they can observe that message in the lives of Christians who are walking (living) what they talk about or write.
---Nadine on 5/29/08


dan - and you may add that the Christian who is led by the Spirit is one who exhibits the fruits of the Spirit - love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, selfcontrol,... Gal. 5:22
---Lee on 5/28/08


I believe a true Christian is one who is:
1. Saved by the grace of God through Jesus Christ.
2. Is led by the spirit of God.
3. Is loving, compassionate, non-judgemental, empathetic.
4. Puts God number one in their lives.

The bible says the greatest of all commandments is to Love God with all your heart, with all your might, and to love your fellow man. These two commandments are what all the other commandments are based on.
---dan on 5/28/08


Is born-again,spirit-filled, baptized in the Holy Ghost, has accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior..Who acknowledges and confesses with their mouth that Jesus is Lord and in their heart believe, adhere to, trust in,and rely on the truth that God raised Him from the dead...Is one who believes and receives the Word of God on a daily basis...and makes every effort to Love God with all of their heart, mind, soul and strength and Loves others, as themselves...and will be known by their fruit...
---Elisabeth on 5/21/08


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Since Jesus abolished the 'sin laws' (Ephesians 2:15), we are to live under the PERFECT law (James 1:25 and 2:12).

Many people don't like truth, it's too restrictive (it doesn't allow for creativity and self-effort). The true message of God is that eternal life is a GIFT, not a 'REWARD' (live with it).

God is GRACIOUS, He loves us very much.

TRUE Christianity is not a FAITH, it is a LOVE.
---greg on 5/5/08


In Mark 12:30, The Lord tells us to love Him with ALL our heart, mind,soul and strength, leaving no room for fear. But humanity has decided to rationalize that they should also FEAR (completely DISOBEYING God in order to be "Masters Of The Intellect"). Humanity is it's own folly (which is why humanity/Christianity has always had the "strong delusion"). Ezekiel 14:4-8 tells us about 'doctrines of the heart' (stumblingblock of his own iniquity).
---greg on 5/5/08


If it were not for this "rationalization" that mankind insists on, there would be no trouble understanding the TRUE message of scripture ("DEPTHS OF GOD", 1 Corinthians 2:10).

God did not put His true message out in the open so that just anybody who knows how to read (worships Him with their lips and mere FAITH) could find it, His truth can only be found by those who LOVE Him (BEYOND all wisdom and knowledge).

"WALK BY THE SPIRIT" (Galatians 5:16 and 25).
---greg on 5/5/08


No matter what you understand, don't understand, or think you understand, YOU MUST LOVE Him FIRST, and not simply pray TO Him, but LISTEN to what His spirit says TO YOU in your life (conversation).

The real word of God is "THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT" (Ephesians 6:17). Many people don't want to accept this truth (because "they refused to love the truth"). They want to rationalize it to mean something else (and be a "Master of Intellect").
---greg on 5/5/08


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All throughout history, mankind has replaced the three gracious gifts of God...
1) creation (Father)
2) salvation (son)
3) Godliness teaching (Holy spirit)

with it's own teachings (teachings of the sixth day creation) and efforts.

Being renewed in the spirit (having the spirit of God in us) is the GUARANTEE of eternal life (2 Corinthians 1:22 and 5:5, Ephesians 1:14).

In the last days, The Lord said He will "pour out my spirit" (Acts 2:17).
---greg on 5/5/08


Matthew 7:23 "I never knew you" refers to people that never TRULY knew AND LOVED The Lord (God all inclusive) because they...
1) separate Him into 3.
2) don't know the true meaning/way of LOVE.
3) don't 'live' LOVE/truth (the SPIRIT).

If it makes sense to you that God can be loved AND feared at the same time, then you can't TRULY love God (1 John 4:18, John 14:6).

Colossians 2:9 "the WHOLE fulness of God...".
---greg on 5/5/08


That is right. If God does not know that you are saved then you are not saved. I have been bought and payed for by the Blood of Jesus. I have given my testimony on here countless times. Who are you to be calling me the anti-christ? You do not know what one is.
---catherine on 5/5/08


catherine: "There is only one major problem, God doesn't know it."

That just sealed yourself as an anti-Christ, Catherine. God knows every molecule that he created in the universe. He knows the number as the numbers of hair on your head. He can manipulate molecules to created solar systems, suns, stars, planets, animals, plants and man. He has the power to create and destroy. He knows every man's thought.
---Steveng on 5/4/08


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remember jesus also told pilate his kingdom was not of this world.whats a treasure?what is an abundant life,surely the lives of the apostles by the worlds standards was not even close too resembling an abundant life.but they lived the truth,and were rich beyond anything we could understand.for jesus also said,for what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world ,but looses his soul?
---tom2 on 5/3/08


jesus also said not to placwe your light where it cant be seen.we are too let our light shine.but how many christians do?
---tom2 on 5/3/08


God had Pilate say "What is truth?" (referring to the irrelevance of objective truth to humanity). It was a strange question (Pilate was not a philosopher). The question was never answered...UNTIL John 14:6.

Who really wants to know that the bible is not the word of God? It was inspired by God, but what pastor would apologize for saying that it is the word that we should live by? Humanity does not like objective truth, it is too restrictive, confining, non-negotiable.
---greg on 5/2/08


Well, there are true Christians and there are unbelieving Christians. If you ask most people if they are a Christian they will say yes. There is only one major problem, God doesn't know it. If you claim to be a Christian you never been bought by the Blood of Jesus Christ, you need to tell God, because He doesn't know it, and if God doesn't know it then you are lost and damned.
---catherine on 5/2/08


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dteve,those aren,t the fruits there are 7 I believe love,kindness,goodness self control,faithfullness,peace,joy.
---tom2 on 5/2/08


steve ,no thers 9 . I forgot gentleness and kindness.
---tom2 on 5/2/08


Everybody who CALLS themself "Christian" does not behave GODLY, because they think of "truth" SUBJECTIVELY (with the bias of 'convenience'). That is why the Strong delusion" has always CONFUSED "Christianity" (because it is human nature to reject OBJECTIVE truth). Scripture was planned by God to include a 'DEEP wisdom' about the human soul.
---greg on 5/2/08


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