Pharisee: "Maybe he was having a bad week [day] when I tuned in? Who can tell.[?]"
Maybe so! :D We all have come short of the glory of God (Ro. 3:23) & like John Mark, etc., may need to get another chance to prove ourselves in God's kingdom. (Acts 12:25, 13:13, 15:37-40, 2 Tim. 4:11).
Be blessed this day & always. :) |
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---Leon on 4/28/08 |
Thank you, Samuel . . . my post down below is wrong > preterition is the Calvinist idea of God passing over those not predestined.
While preterist has to do with believing that prophesied Bible events have already taken place. And a "partial" preterist may believe that prophesied things won't happen *in history*, but are representative of what will happen *spiritually*...for example, believing the Millennial kingdom is spiritual and won't be historical. |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 4/28/08 |
Samuel, okay, thanks. |
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---SusieQ on 4/28/08 |
Not sure? Hank is right on many things except this partial preterist view of scripture. Unfortunately the full preterist is pushing a NON christian view and it is dangerous and cult like. |
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---Pastor_Bill on 4/28/08 |
A preterist is a view of aplolytic scripture. That the events are past and not future. For instance the book of Revelation is not future but refers to persecution by Rome alone and there is no future anitichrist single figure. |
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---Samuel on 4/28/08 |
Leon I'll take your word for it.
I can't say his show is for me, I tried it out in 2002 and told what happened here, and haven't listened since.
Maybe he was having a bad week when I tuned in? Who can tell.
All I know is that I won't trust him or anything he says. |
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---pharisee on 4/28/08 |
Pharisee: You sound like someone who misunderstood or may've bumped heads with Hank on the radio. :)
You say he's proud (arrogant). I certainly don't see that. To the contrary, he's no nonsense in his teaching & defense of biblical truth. Hank's ministry equips Believers to accurately know Bible truth so we can stand against the wiles of the devil...errors of presumptuous (proud) false prophets (workers of iniquity) i.e., cults, word of faith teachers, etc. |
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---Leon on 4/28/08 |
No Leon, not once. |
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---pharisee on 4/27/08 |
Pharisee: Have you ever spoken to Hank? |
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---Leon on 4/27/08 |
I am not quite sure what a preterist is or does. |
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---SusieQ on 4/27/08 |
"you would not be saying what you say about Hank."
I understand that knowledge is not wisdom, I also understand that knowledge and zeal are no replacement.
I can't believe you don't see the "everyone listen to me and no one else" pride thing he's got going on, it drives him to persecute ministries, I'm not saying it's never needed, but the service he provides walks a fine line that he's not very careful to observe. |
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---pharisee on 4/27/08 |
"It would be unthinkable that a God of infinite wisdom and power could create a world without a definite plan for that world"
YES !!!
Why should that Plan not be that men should have free-will? |
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---alan_of_UK on 4/27/08 |
If God has planned ss Mark says, all th evil that men do, and that man does, will be done in accordance with God's will.
The wicked will have done God's will ... so why punish them? |
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---alan_of_UK on 4/27/08 |
I'm certain Mark will expect me to come in here, even though he won't answer me.
So here goes:
The God he describes did not make people ... He made a machine, with person-shaped cogs, most of which were deliberately made faulty. |
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---alan_of_UK on 4/27/08 |
Who cares what Hank Hennegraff wants to become.
I think he's out in left field. Following men's teachings will get you into scriptural trouble. They'll turn you in the wrong direction. Some days I wonder if reading so many false interpretations is safe for anyone. Guilty or on the way to becoming unstable by association. |
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---Mark_V. on 4/27/08 |
#3. and that He cannot be surprised by any unforeseen inconveniences. So before you start knocking down Hank, you should read your Bibles to be approve. You are walking on thin ice for the Ecumenical trend is on the move in many denominations now, all have gone away from the truth and are now teaching a "men centered theology". Revelations 17 have a discussion of this whole movement, "The mystery Babylon the Great, the Mother of harlots and abomination of the earth" |
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---Mark_V. on 4/27/08 |
We are told that Christ was "foreknowon indeed (as a sacrifice for sin) before the foundation of the world" 1 Peter 1:20, which means before anyone or anything was created. The plan of redemption is traced back into eternity, and the plan to permit man to fall into the sin from which he was thus to be redeemed must also extend back into eternity, otherwise there would have been occassion for redemption. Please read your Bibles, but read from God's perspective not man's. |
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---Mark_V. on 4/27/08 |
#2. It would be unthinkable that a God of infinite wisdom and power could create a world without a definite plan for that world. And because God is thus infinite His plan must extend to every detail of the world's existence, for if it does not then He is not sovereign, if not sovereign, not God. If God had not foreordained the course of events but waited until some undetermined condition was or was not fulfilled, His decrees could be neither eternal nor immutable. But we know He is incapable of mistakes, |
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---Mark_V. on 4/27/08 |
If most of you understood anything about the God of the Bible you would not be saying what you say about Hank. This is God's plan, not ours. We are to evangelize because, 1 We are commanded to, 2. We do not know who are the elect, 3. Because salvation comes to all the same way. It's God's plan. Hank is a man of God and if most of you were not stuck in your "men centered theology" you would understand the Word of God for what it is. |
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---Mark_V. on 4/27/08 |
What I like about Mr. Hannegraff is he always ask everyone to check what he says in light of Scripture. How many of us CN bloggers do that? I don't agree with everything Hank says. That's probably because my level of understanding isn't always on par with his. But, I do agree with him on the essentials of Bible salvation in Jesus Christ. Also, Hank has done very well by exposing many false-teachers. I've never know him to be discourteous or rude to any caller. Has anyone here ever called Hank? :) |
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---Leon on 4/26/08 |
Thanks KarenD, that was me.
My errant fingers pressed the send button too soon! |
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---alan_of_UK on 4/25/08 |
If predestination is a fact, why would Jesus need to die? And, I agree with the person who asked Mima why he bothers to got out witnessing if predestination is a fact. |
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---KarenD on 4/25/08 |
Ryan there's a whole other side to the Hannegraff foolishness.
He speaks out against other preachers.
In many cases he may be right, but there's the off chance (and it's a good one) that he's spoken evil against a fellow minister who was indeed operating in the Holy Spirit.
Right- blasphemy of the Holy Ghost.
Somebody called in to refute hank's claim that forgiveness was optional, the man was hung up on after being yelled at.
Hannegraff's pride is only bested by his blindness. |
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---pharisee on 4/25/08 |
a . . . I don't buy "preterist" which means God passes over ones not predestined. But I do believe in predestinaton, and that predestination of a Christian includes doing all I can to lovingly bless ALL people. Paul clearly shares > "For to this end we both labor and suffer reproach, because we trust in the living God, who is the Savior of
all men,
especially of those who believe." (1 Timothy 4:10) So - - we, like our Father, do all we can to love ALL people. |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 4/25/08 |
I am ignorant of all the beliefs of this group. But it is my understanding that Hank, pretty much believes what they believe. I'm now 10 years retired. And I used to hear Hank over 640 Memphis radio every day. I have not heard Hank in 10 years. |
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---Mima on 4/25/08 |
Mima ... if you accept all that group beleives, why do you go out and evangelise? |
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---a on 4/25/08 |
preterist . . . means one who believes God passes over those not destined for salvation? Well, Jesus *prayed*, "Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do", in Luke 23:34...so forgiving people while they were still busy hating and torturing and murdering Jesus. In His heart, Jesus on Calvary desired for us to become forgiven. So, in His heart, He already forgave us, way back then before we sinned (o: So, we follow His example (Ephesians 4:31-5:2). |
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---Bill_bila5659 on 4/24/08 |
Pharisee, I absolutely agree with you. Hank is as holy as the Pharisees and Saudecees. He is a self-promoting liar. |
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---Ryan_Z on 4/24/08 |
You should not listen to this man's show.
He actually told a caller that he didn't need to forgive unless the person who sinned against him repented.
This is a direct quote from a show in 2002, I never tuned in again because it's obvious that the man is not operating in the Spirit of Truth. If it were so he'd not of been led to misinterpret scripture so gravely. |
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---pharisee on 4/24/08 |
I do not know the answer to your question. However, I spent much time listening and studying Hank Hennegraff. If you put this in your search window.
"Pensacola Orthodox Preterist Baptist Assembly "you can easily see what he believes.
I have not found him wrong in any teaching. |
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---Mima on 4/24/08 |
he got from God of course why is this even a question |
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---keyblade on 4/24/08 |
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