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Can I date again since I am separated from my hubby? He has committed affairs throughout our marriage, and he knows I am done and divorce is imminent. We live in separate states, and he has a girlfriend. I have remained faithful for two years. I don't know when we will divorce but it'll be soon.

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If a wife is nagging, abusive, etc, many husbands will then go off with someone else. Then there is a divorce. God knows who was the cause of the divorce.
---frances008 on 5/7/08


If a woman acts in a way that her husband suspects her of having affairs, and the same with the husband, for instance looking lustifully at others, and/or continually disappearing for periods when she or he should be at home serving their partner, or just being together, then there is also, in my opinion, and in the Bible, the case for adultery to be argued. Especially after the New Testament when Jesus amplifies the Ten Commandments.
---frances008 on 5/7/08


You might ask how many men who stop loving their wives, or wives who nag their husbands, have committed adultery already in their minds. The behaviour outwardly is just a reflection of an inner disposition against the partner. (Or perhaps they are gay and did not know it before the marriage.)
---frances008 on 5/7/08


A husband may not divorce his wife if she is abusive, nagging, violent, disobedient, lazy or a lousy cook. It doesn't matter what your family tells you, what your pastor tells you, what your friends tell you, what you leaders tell you...NT Scripture is so clear on this point that we need help to miss it. Jesus made it very clear that if a husband puts his wife away for ANY REASON other than her committing whoring and then he marries another, he is committing adultery against her.
---righteouswarriors on 5/7/08


Alan said:
...This means that the text has to be taken in the spirit in which Jesus said it, not strictly literally....

There are no scriptures to support that Jesus spoke spiritually about marriage in this case. How would you explain only women having babies, God was sexist?
---Carla5754 on 5/7/08




We are the clay and God is the potter, believe it or not and if he chooses to use some clay to make a expensive vase and use the same clay to make a chamber Pot, who are we to complain, they are both his and he chooses to do as he wishes, to create, design and to destroy , he never said the vessels had a choice. The earth is the LORDS and the fullness thereof.... I have reached the point where the more I read the more I understand, I don't have to like it!
---Carla5754 on 5/7/08


Hello there, I do believe the bible states that divorce can be granted in the case of adultry, I wouldn't pursue any dating until the divorce is final, just to keep yourself in check because even if you are seperated physically, you are still legally married so wait until the divorce is final. GOD bless kuule3944
---kuulei on 5/7/08


Steve,

If your wife is divorcing you, even if she thinks she is justified, she is in error. Show her what Scripture says and let her decide. If she leaves, let her go, but assuming she is a Believer, you must be willing to take her back as your wife should she return (unless she lays with another man in the interim). Unlike a lot of the cultural "opinions" here, I will provide actual Scriptures for you, should you require them. Pray for God to open her eyes and to preserve your marriage.
---righteouswarriors on 5/7/08


Elder asked, "You reduce women to the property of men no matter how evil the man may be. Do you really treat your wife this way. Is she "your property?""

This isn't about me, this is about God's Word. And no, I don't treat my wife like property. I love her, care for her and cherish her. I would give my life for her if required. I try to love her in the manner which Jesus loves me. She knows my heart and would certainly tell you I'm not at all saying men are superior to women.
---righteouswarriors on 5/7/08


Elder said, "Have you missed the part husbands love your wives as yourself?...stop thinking you can do anything you want to your wife."

You assume because I can speak boldly regarding marital authority that I'm an ogre? Do you think the same of Paul? Of Jesus? Why do you keep trying to bring this back to abuse? There are ample Scriptures that speak of how the husband is to love his wife. That doesn't mean cower to her or relinquish authority to her. You should know the difference.
---righteouswarriors on 5/7/08




Steve asked, "Is going to the strip bars grounds for divorce, is it adultery?"

No to both questions. There are no Biblical grounds for a wife to divorce herself from her husband, under ANY circumstances. Biblical divorce is actually a punishment, a necessary consequence of marital unfaithfulness on the part of the woman. A husband may not divorce his wife for any other reason. If she divorces you, she will end up committing adultery, which ironically is what she accused you of.
---righteouswarriors on 5/7/08


I have been reading all your blogs and felt I needed to jump in. I am in the middle of a divorce and wondered the same questions. My wife thinks I committed adultery some years ago during the time I went to the nude bars. I am guilty of going to the nude bars. Is going to the strip bars grounds for divorce, is it adultery? We both are sinners. I have not heard any of you mention "Repenting your sins" If she repents her sins does that make it ok and allow her to continue with the divorce?
---Steve on 5/7/08


In conclusion, women are the weaker of the two sexes and deserve consideration, but should not be the dominant one in church because they are so prone to falling for the lies of the devil, who can use men. The guilt of divorce lies with the guilty partner, not the innocent one. Remarriage is fine in such cases. Punishment for adultery would go on the guilty partner.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


RW there you go again. "1 Cor. 11:8-9.. For man also was not created for the woman, but woman for the man."" (anyway this is about praying and head covering.)
You reduce women to the property of men no matter how evil the man may be.
Do you really treat your wife this way. Is she "your property?"
Have you missed the part husbands love your wives as yourself?
It is time you looked at more Scripture and stop thinking you can do anything you want to your wife.
---Elder on 5/6/08


frances008, good thoughts.
---Elder on 5/6/08


frances008 said, "you are very much interested in the letter of the law."

No, I am very much interested in the clear, precise and uncompromising words of Jesus in Mt. 5:32 and Mt. 19:9. He said, in NO UNCERTAIN TERMS, that the husband cannot put away his wife except for ONE condition and ONE condition only. This was the very question the Pharisees asked Him. To add to, or remove from, His answer is to deny the inspiration of Scripture and Jesus' very clear words on the matter of divorce.
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


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Matt. 23:
23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have OMITTED(Left Out) the weightier matters of the law, Judgment, Mercy, and Faith: THESE ought YE to have DONE, and NOT to leave the other undone.

I Like Matts. version on this, Because he was Probably standing their when Jesus said this.
Luke came around later when Saul/Paul started his journey, Not to take anything away from Luke though, he's Brother of mine/yours.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/6/08


frances008 said, "If a woman was divorced for reasons other than adultery, perhaps she was a violent, disobedient, or lazy wife, then the punishment of divorce would be deserved"

Mt. 19:3b: "Is it right for a man to put away his wife for every reason?"

Mt. 19:9a: "And I say to you, whoever puts away his wife, EXCEPT ON THE GROUND OF WHORING, and marries another, commits adultery."

Both times, Jesus states there is only ONE cause permitting divorce.
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


Luke 11.42 'Woe to you Pharisees, because you give God a tenth of your mint, rue and all other kinds of garden herbes, but you neglect JUSTICE and the love of God.''
Verse 52 ''Woe to you experts in the law because you have taken away the key to knowledge. You yourselves have not entered and you have hindered those who were entering.''
---frances008 on 5/6/08


If a woman was divorced for reasons other than adultery, perhaps she was a violent, disobedient, or lazy wife, then the punishment of divorce would be deserved. If she committed adultery, again, it would be deserved. If, however, she was completely innocent, then Jesus said 'Anyone who causes any of these little ones to sin, better that a millstone be tied around their neck and they be thrown into a lake.' Clearly, the punishment for sin goes to the sinner, not the innocent party.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


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Mark 9.42 (To all husbands who think that divorce means the wife is the one going to be punished for sinning against God.) ''And if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to be thrown into the sea with a large millstone tied around his neck.'' (Also good verse against smacking kids and making them resentful.)
---frances008 on 5/6/08


Righteouswarriors, you are very much interested in the letter of the law. Jesus was not. He was interested in the spirit of the law. He was interested in what was in the heart. He wanted God's Ten Commandments and the Two Great Commandments to be written on peoples' hearts and minds. Jesus demonstrated his own utter contempt for the hypocrites who used the law for the purpose of oppressing the weak. Mark Chapter 7 verses 6 and 8 (and other verses)
---frances008 on 5/6/08


Paul gives his opinion. Jesus Christ is the final authority. Even at the time a woman was about to be stoned to death for adultery, he said 'Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.' If Paul was laying down legalities, he had no right to. He was not, though. He was saying that a man divorcing his wife for silly reasons, and then her going on to marry someone else, causes both to live in sin, if they both remarry.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


That was because men made all the decisions for both in THOSE days. Even supposing that Paul was talking about a woman who did not have any further contact with men....if he is saying she would be sinning because her husband had divorced her....which is illogical.....the cause of the sin was her husband and he would pay the penalty.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


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EDIT....Sorry, it was Jesus who said it. Nevertheless my points remain there for the record. Jesus would not contradict Himself. We have to use our spiritual eyes to understand his meaning.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


alan_of_UK said, "wrong to claim that all these rules are gender specific"

I'm going to assume that you are simply unaware of what Scripture says about authority between men and women. Here's a few NT examples for you to check. Is the whole Bible wrong?

1 Cor. 11:8-9: "For man is not from woman, but woman from man. For man also was not created for the woman, but woman for the man."

Even before the fall, who was created from and for whom?
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


1 Pet. 3:1: "In the same way, wives, be subject to your own husbands, so that if any are disobedient to the Word, they, without a word, might be won by the behaviour of their wives"

Regarding husbands and wives, who is to be subject to whom?

1 Cor. 11:3: "And I wish you to know that the head of every man is the Messiah, and the head of woman is the man, and the head of Messiah is Elohim."

Regarding man and woman, who is the head of whom?
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


1 Cor. 11:4-5: "Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, brings shame to his Head. And every woman praying or prophesying with her head uncovered brings shame to her head, for that is one and the same as if her head were shaved."

When praying or prophesying, how does one bring shame to their "head"? Is there no difference between men and women here either? Are the terms interchangable?
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


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Eph. 5:22: "Wives, subject yourselves to your own husbands, as to the Master."

Regarding husbands and wives, who is to be subject to whom?

1 Cor. 11:7: "For a man indeed should not cover his head, since he is the likeness and esteem of Elohim, but woman is the esteem of man."

Regarding man and woman, who is the esteem of whom?
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


1 Tim. 2:12: "But I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, rather, to be in silence."

Who is not to teach or have authority over whom?

1 Tim. 2:13: "Because Adam was formed first, then Hawwah."

Who was formed first?

1 Tim. 2:14: "And Adam was not deceived, but the woman, having been deceived, fell into transgression."

Who was deceived?
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


Eph. 5:23: "Because the husband is head of the wife, as also the Messiah is head of the assembly, and He is Saviour of the body."

1 Cor. 14:34-35: "Let your women be silent in the assemblies, for they are not allowed to speak, but let them subject themselves, as the Torah also says. And if they wish to learn whatever, let them ask their own husbands at home, for it is improper for women to speak in an assembly."

Still insist what's good for the goose?
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


1 Tim. 2:11: "Let a woman learn in silence, in all subjection."

Who is to learn in silence and in subjection?

Eph. 5:24: "But as the assembly is subject to Messiah, so also let the wives be to their husbands in every respect."

Either we can explain away all of the NT as a cultural issue or we can believe inspired Scripture. But there's no denying that God's Word teaches there IS a difference between men and women regarding authority!
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


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Paul was a man and not perfect, living in times that were not perfect. If a woman was divorced from her husband and had done no wrong, she would have no income and be forced into prostitution which was legal. Paul states somewhere that it was wrong to go around saying people should refrain from certain foods and NOT MARRY. So he admitted that marriage was better than remaining single. Would he prefer prostitution to remarriage nowadays. We have to use our own brains, in these times.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


alan_of_UK said, "This means that the text has to be taken in the spirit in which Jesus said it, not strictly literally."

Mt. 5:32 can either mean she commits adultery when she remarries, or she commits adultery simply when forced to separate. That's it. It CANNOT mean SHE becomes HE or HE becomes SHE. That isn't interpretation, but pure fabrication. The second half of the passage can imply adultery only upon remarriage, but it CANNOT be used to switch husband and wife around.
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


Mt. 5:32: "But I say to you that whoever puts away his wife, except for the matter of whoring, makes her commit adultery. And whoever marries a woman who has been put away commits adultery."

Option 1: The woman is implied to remarry in the second statement, causing the adultery.

Option 2: The woman commits adultery simply because of the forced separation from her husband.

The first option conforms with established Scripture regarding the definition of adultery.
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


Alanof UK, I have worked under female bosses. They female ones caused me the most agro. They were married and had families, I was single. It came in the end to my losing my job. I gave it up under pressure. The problems of the world cannot be put down to male dominance. The world being in utter chaos now is due to the rise of women's liberation, and associated factors, like freemasonry, the role of celibate priests in dictating world, not religious, affairs. Disobedience to God.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


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Jesus spoke in many forms and about many things. Sometimes literally, sometimes in parables. Sometimes about matters of faith, sometimes about social norms. Paul interpreted in the light of the culture they lived in. When Jesus talks of spiritual matters He cannot be argued with. When Paul talks of social matters he can be argued with, especially in the case where it concerns civil laws, not matters of ceremony or the church. When he talks of Communion, then we have interdenominational differences.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


RighteousWarrriors "I agree that if she remains unmarried and celibate, she would not commit adultery in that case"
I agree, but sadly it is not what the text actually says!
This means that the text has to be taken in the spirit in which Jesus said it, not strictly literally.
And that means that it may be wrong to claim that all these rules are gender specific, whic leads to the wrongs of male dominance and oppression of women.
---alan_of_UK on 5/6/08


alan_of_UK said, "I am pleased to see you have now modified your answer and withdrawn from what would condemn an innocent woman."

Agreed. The remarriage statement in the second half of Mt. 5:32 does make the verse fit better with other Scriptures regarding adultery as a physical act. It makes more sense that she is ASSUMED to lie with another man, which would then cause her to commit adultery. I agree that if she remains unmarried and celibate, she would not commit adultery in that case.
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


frances008 said, "OOH, my head hurts! The words 'except for marital unfaithfulness' seem to be key words."

Let's remove that exemption clause for a moment. We'll come back to that. Can we all agree that without the "except for the matter of whoring" bit in Mt. 5:32 and Mt. 19:9, then under NO CIRCUMSTANCES can a husband or a wife ever divorce and remarry without committing adultery? Does everyone see that adultery is caused because there was an unlawful (unrecognized) divorce?
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


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frances008 said, "Nowadays women can read this and therefore infer that the same applies to them. If the man is unfaithful, then she remarries without sinning."

Except that isn't what the text says. Nowhere does Scripture say the husband is bound to the wife as long as she lives, nor that whoever puts away her husband makes him commit adultery, nor the married man has been bound by Torah to the living wife. A distorted understanding of adultery makes Scripture impossible to grasp.
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


In matters of divorce and remarriage, it is Paul's pattern of writing in 1 Corinthians 7 to apply something to both the wife and the husband if it indeed applies to both. BOTH a wife and a husband are admonished not to divorce (1 Corinthians 7:10-11). BOTH the husband and the wife are commanded not to divorce in the case that they are married to an unbeliever (vs. 12-16). But ONLY THE WIFE is told that she cannot be joined to another as long as her husband lives (vs. 11 and 39). Why?
---righteouswarriors on 5/6/08


RW ... My question to you was .. "So she is committing adultery even if she never takes up with another man?"

And you replied "Precisely"

That is what I challenged.

I am pleased to see you have now modified your answer and withdrawn from what would condemn an innocent woman.
---alan_of_UK on 5/6/08


You are free to divorce for adultery. Dating, not yet. Until that divorce is final you 2 are still married.Use this time to be married to Jesus for awhile and let him shape you.This man has cheated this much, it sounds as if you did not consult God before marrying him in the first place. So you deffinately need to let the Lord heal you of the distrust and pain you have suffered, and also pray for discernment im future friendships and relationships. Be in a close relationship with the Lord for now.
---Tracy on 5/5/08


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OOH, my head hurts! The words 'except for marital unfaithfulness' seem to be key words. This is all written from a male perspective, so it means if HE puts HER away, for no reason, then he causes both of them to commit adultery if she remarries. However, the reason is important. If she is unfaithful, he remains innocent and so does his next partner. The same would apply to females, but in those days only the men had the ability to read and make decisions.
---frances008 on 5/5/08


Nowadays women can read this and therefore infer that the same applies to them. If the man is unfaithful, then she remarries without sinning.

THE END
Except to say that studying the culture of the day it was written in would help to explain the way it is written.
---frances008 on 5/5/08


alan_of_UK said, "if a man "puts away" his wife...and she never talks to another man...You call her an adultress."

Mt. 5:32b: "...whoever puts away his wife, except for the matter of whoring, makes her commit adultery. And whoever marries a woman who has been put away commits adultery."

I can see how this passage could imply that she WOULD remarry, given the second statement. Remarriage most certainly would be adultery. There's no misunderstanding that much.
---righteouswarriors on 5/5/08


alan_of_UK said, "RW ... Are you sure you are being consistent?"

I'm sure. frances008 brought up an excellent point. Mt. 5:32 suggests the woman would remarry by the second statement, so if we assume this is the cause of the adultery (two husbands), then simply being separated from her husband does not make her an adulteress. That would be consistent with other Scriptures regarding adultery. However, this all changes if she lays with another man - that would most certainly be adultery.
---righteouswarriors on 5/5/08


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frances008 said, "this case shows that the marriage was nullified by the man's behaviour, leaving the woman free to go and make a new contract with someone else any time she wanted."

But what Scripture permits her to lawfully leave her husband and then remarry? No verse I can find anywhere in the OT or NT gives her that option, regardless what her husband does. On the contrary, multiple NT verses indicate she remains bound to her husband so long as he lives.
---righteouswarriors on 5/5/08


Nicole said, "Neither are able to date again, until one is decease. Your husband and girlfriend is committing a sin. You can not date ever. Pray for your husband. Civil divorce papers does not cover Spiritual Marriages."

Thank you Nicole! You are speaking direct from Scripture. I'm glad to know at least 3 others on the blog recognize that marriage is permanent and cannot be dissolved outside of the exception clause given in Mt. 5:32 and Mt. 19:9. And all three are Godly women speaking!
---righteouswarriors on 5/5/08


Alan of UK::I was replying to the post in relation to the text on Divorce.The post says "I remained faithful for 2years" which is the length of the separation.The question of her being adulterous therefore did not arise.Adultery may be assumed But That is not the case.
---Emcee on 5/5/08


"Jesus was explaining the seriousness of marriage, and that unjustified divorce results in adultery even without the physical act". ... (RW 3/5)

So, if a man "puts away" his wife just because he fancies someoene else, and she never talks to another man ... You call her an adultress.

Do you really say that Jesus means that even if she never looks at a man again, she is nevertheless guilty of the sin of adultery
---alan_of_UK on 5/5/08


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My question ... "So she is committing adultery even if she never takes up with another man?"
RW's answer "Precisely"

Frances' question "If she did not do anything with anyone of course she would not be an adultress."
RW's answer "That understanding does seem to be consistent with the text of Mt. 19:9"

RW ... Are you sure you are being consistent?
---alan_of_UK on 5/5/08


There are two standards. The women are supposed to be led by the men. What happened in the garden of Eden when it was reversed? - Eve tried to lead Adam. It was disastrous in its results. God created men unequally, and they should be treated unequally. Women should be cherished by the men, and they should be obedient. In this blog, this case shows that the marriage was nullified by the man's behaviour, leaving the woman free to go and make a new contract with someone else any time she wanted.
---frances008 on 5/5/08


alan_of_UK said, "I am trying to burst his bubble of male dominance, and female subjection."

I do not believe in male dominance, nor in female subjection. I believe that in a marriage covenant, the husband is the head and is in authority of his family, and the wife is to be his help meet and should submit to said authority. I understand this isn't how the western world views marriage, but this is how Scripture views marriage and I will not go back to thinking as the feminist world thinks.
---righteouswarriors on 5/5/08


Carla5754 asked, "Jesus said [except] fornication/whoring...does that mean for whoring he can put his wife away?"

Yes, if she had committed whoring (not adultery), the husband then has the option to send her away and neither he nor she will have committed adultery in the event either remarry. (I would hope he would have the wisdom to FORGIVE rather than divorce.) However, in all other cases, the one who remarries would be committing adultery.
---righteouswarriors on 5/5/08


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Carla5754 said, "Jer 3:8...God gave Israel a bill of Divorce and put her away for Adultery."

This is true, as adultery is one particular form of whoring, albeit, one that required a death penalty under the Mosaic Law, so divorce was usually not necessary. However, "non-adultery whoring" would also have qualified as sufficient grounds for the husband to send away his wife, allowing either the husband or the wife to freely remarry without either committing adultery in the process.
---righteouswarriors on 5/5/08


Neither are able to date again, until one is decease. Your husband and girlfriend is committing a sin. You can not date ever. Pray for your husband. Civil divorce papers does not cover Spiritual Marriages.
Notice how your church didn't care about your marriage cert from your State. And your state didn't care if you were married by your Pastor or a Jugde.
So, why when one recieves a civil divorce decree from the State they feel free from the Church? State and Church are seperate.
---Nicole on 5/5/08


frances ... " I think you are being to word conscious" And Emcee too.
No, I am not being too word conscious ... i am just putting down what RighteousWarriors is saying!!
I am trying to burst his bubble of male dominance, and female subjection. But I won't be able to burst it, so I should say I seek to expose it.
---alan_of_UK on 5/5/08


Remember the question:

Mat 19:3
The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?

Jesus said [except] fornication/whoring

does that mean for whoring he can put his wife away?

because that's the only tool he uses as an putting away Clause.
---Carla5754 on 5/5/08


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Jer 3:8
And I saw, when for all the causes whereby backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, but went and played the harlot also.

God gave Israel a bill of Divorce and put her away for Adultery.

Mat 22:8

Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.

will the church not be the bride per se for the moment W/O the jews?
---Carla5754 on 5/5/08


frances008 said, "The verse assumes the woman will go on and remarry and that when she did she would be committing adultery, and so would her partner. If she did not do anything with anyone of course she would not be an adultress."

That understanding does seem to be consistent with the text of Mt. 19:9, especially as the same verse then goes on to mention that any man who marries her commits adultery, reinforcing the context which assumes she would be remarrying. Nice reasoning!
---righteouswarriors on 5/5/08


frances008,

In my previous post, I meant to refer to Mt. 5:32, not Mt. 19:9. I was reading the correct verse but gave the wrong reference.

It is also consistent with Mt. 19:9, in that the man who unlawfully divorces his wife only commits adultery when he marries another, which goes hand in hand with the Mt. 5:32 explanation. Both say adultery results from an unjustified divorce and remarriage.
---righteouswarriors on 5/5/08


Carla5754 said, " Matt 19:9 I am not understanding the [except] Clause."

Mt. 19:9: "And I say to you, whoever puts away his wife, except for the ground of whoring, and marries another, commits adultery. And whoever marries her who has been put away commits adultery."

Unless she had committed whoring, then any husband who puts his wife away and marries another wife will be guilty of adultery. The same is true in Matt. 5:32. Divorce almost always results in adultery.
---righteouswarriors on 5/4/08


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tracey said, "do you see were it says except it be for fornication,that means if a man or a woman commet fornication the outher one is sat free"

Actually, the text says no such thing. The "his" and "her" in Matt. 19:9 and Matt. 5:32 are not interchangable. The term "his wife" means "his wife", not simply "the other spouse". If you think a married man can commit adultery with an unmarried woman, this passage will never make sense to you.
---righteouswarriors on 5/4/08


Because your husband commits fornication does not license you to do likewise. Do it right, either reconcile with your separated husband, or else divorce him: only after divorce should you yoke with another, else you are no better than your husband and you are both become equally guilty in the sin of whoredom.
---Eloy on 5/4/08


Righteous, in this case the equivalent would be God leaving us not us leaving God. It would never happen, unless we fornicated with other gods or ideas or practices.
---frances008 on 5/4/08


Matt 19:9

And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except [it be] for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

I am not understanding the [except] Clause.
---Carla5754 on 5/4/08


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According to the text divorce is permissable especially for continual unfaithfulness. However, you are still bound to your husband which disqualifies you from dating.
---John on 5/3/08


AlanofUk, I think you are being to word conscious. Sometimes words are not written because the context or culture makes it or made it obvious what the meaning was. In those days prostitutes were not stoned. Just women who committed adultery - as far as I know. The verse assumes the woman will go on and remarry and that when she did she would be committing adultery, and so would her partner. If she did not do anything with anyone of course she would not be an adultress.
---frances008 on 5/3/08


M't:19:9: And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

do you see were it says except it be for fornication,that means if a man or a woman commet fornication the outher one is sat free
thay have the right for devoricement.
---tracey on 5/3/08


Alan OF UK::Pardon the intrusion Friend.The only time Divorce is permitted is If its a case of adultery on either Party.Otherwise Divorce is Not permitted.Jesus is talking about divorce Not adultery.If he walks away she is not committing any act of an adulterous nature.Adultery is caused by the spurious act in Viotating the bond of Matrimony 2 in one Flesh.
---Emcee on 5/3/08


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alan_of_UK said, "Matthew 5.32? If taken strictly literally, if the wife is put away, but not for fornicating, her husband thereby makes her an adultress. So she is committing adultery even if she never takes up with another man."

Precisely, it would still be an unjustified divorce. Consider our relationship with God. If we leave Him to follow after another god or simply leave Him but not follow another god, is it not adultery either way? The physical is but a shadow of the spiritual.
---righteouswarriors on 5/3/08


alan_of_UK said, "That means a woman is an adultress if her husband abandons her (puts her away) and she goes straight to a nunnery for the rest of her life, and never even sees a man again."

Since "na'aph" literally means "woman that breaketh wedlock", you tell me. Has she forcibly broken her wedlock vow or not? Jesus was explaining the seriousness of marriage, and that unjustified divorce results in adultery even without the physical act.
---righteouswarriors on 5/3/08


RitaH said, "I should not have said men can NEVER be wrong. You have pointed out that, in some circumstances, men are put to death. I wrote what I wrote in haste, which is a big mistake. I apologise."

No apology needed - you haven't offended me. I appreciate your viewpoint and I hope you understand that just because some men have abused their authority, it doesn't stand to reason that we should disband marital authority. The men in your examples are wrong. Sin is still sin.
---righteouswarriors on 5/3/08


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