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Is A Saved Sinner Possible

Could this scripture, explain how we can be both sinners, and the same time saved? Romans 8:10,"And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness" think about it.

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If you believe in God, Yes!
---Frank on 11/5/08


Daniel, you should not take letters out of context. If you read all the three of John's letters you will see that John is writing to people who were not helping their brethren, not being hospitable to them, and telling others not to help them, and that there were false teachers teaching that Jesus was not risen in the flesh, and possibly that due to grace we could keep on sinning. John writes to correct their errors, he still makes it clear in Chapter 3v20 and thereabouts, as well as many other places, that it is through faith we are saved, if we love the Lord. Obviously the demons believe in God but are not saved. John is clarifying the way things are, not telling them they could lose their salvation. Just urging them to higher standards.
---frances008 on 9/15/08


Daniel, obviously those who become Christians because they see it is a green light to sin and not be punished, have not been saved. Those ones go to hell unless they repent. I don't know any such Christians, do you? But obviously there were some in those days.
---frances008 on 9/15/08


Frances, how can you say that we must repent of what we are and not of what we did? Blasphemy is not the only sin, if it were we would not be struggling with everything else. 1 John 1:8-9 NLT says, "If we claim we have no sin, we are only fooling ourselves and not living in the truth. But if we confess our sins to him, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all wickedness." This scripture is to the saints, not the sinners. Sinners are not "living in the truth." This again lets us know that we must still confess and repent of any sins we commit.
---Daniel on 9/15/08


Nicole, those who have pride don't know they are sinning so they are not going to repent. They may be Christians, and they would then be saved. Different people have different spiritual sight, and some are blind as bats. They may be worthless to an extent, but because they believe that Christ thinks them worth dying for, that is their salvation. You still think we need to be good enough to get salvation. First we see we are sinners, then we repent of what we ARE, not of what we DID (though sometimes we will include what we did in the being part.) The only true sin in these days, for the Christian, is unbelief. Blasphemy is not something a Christian would ever do. Even blasphemy (by unbelievers) would be forgiven if they accepted Christ.
---frances008 on 9/9/08




Eloy, "how can you be surprise that a none-christian came to the Lord?" Aren't the only one's coming to Christ none-Christian? Who else is coming to Christ? Can you help us learn more about the gospel you teach?
---Mark_V. on 9/8/08


Mic, I believe that passage you gave was a good one but maybe one that was better suited was Matth. 23: 25,26. Though I disagree with many of your own doctrines, I agree with your statement here. Here is the passage more suited for your answer, "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you cleanse the outside of the cup and dish, but inside they are full of extortion and self-indulgence. Blind Pharisee, first cleanse the inside of the cup and dish, that the outside of them may be clean also"
Who would want to drink from a cup that was washed on the outside but was still filthy inside?
---Mark_V. on 9/6/08


Kathr,
You are so right....
---duane on 9/5/08


Justified by His BLOOD
Sanctified by His BLOOD
Redeemed by His BLOOD
Made peace through the BLOOD of the Cross.

Christ is our Wisdom,
Christ is our Righteousness,
Christ is our Sanctification,
Christ is our Redemption.
Christ IS Our LIFE.

The 10 Commandments is not the sanctifier, Christ is our Sanctification.

The 10 Commandments is not our Redemption. Jesus Christ hung on the Cross, not the 10 Commandments.

The 10 Commandments is not our Wisdom, Christ is our wisdom.

The 10 Commandments is not our Righteousness, Christ is our righteousness.


I believe Jesus Christ has ALL the bases Covered, and even sent the Holy Spirit to teach and remind, and KEEP us in these truths.
---kathr4453 on 9/5/08


Why would so many Christians miss the point of Calvary and "WHY jesus came and died for our sin? Because Christianity is more than one point, rather it is many points that make a whole. Who "reduce the sacrifice of Jesus Christ to nothing more then that of a bull or goat...just some temporary covering with no power."? Those who say that Jesus paid for mankind's sins past, present and future, who reduce him from the Lord that he is, to some sort of 'super bull' or goat. Who miss altogether his years of daily teaching on Justice, Mercy and Faith, who see no lessons in those years, and who miss the teachings of the Holy Ghost throughout the last 2000 years.
---Nana on 9/4/08




*****In HIM we HAVE the forgiveness of sin. We are now dead to sin. This is what the grace of God has given to us as Christians, so we may remain justified before God. There is no such thing as an unforgiven saint. Sin has no power over us. We are saints, not sinners.****

Duane, it would seem many really do not understand what happened at Calvary, or even WHY jesus came and died for our sin. They simply MISS the whole point ALTOGETHER!

The blood of Bulls and Goats could never take away SIN.....Yet they reduce the sacrifice of Jesus Christ to nothing more then that of a bull or goat...just some temporary covering with no power.
---kathr4453 on 9/4/08


Rebecca_D, very well put. We must understand: those who have accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior are saved and become Christians. Now, the word lets us know in many places, that although we are Christians, we can and still do sin. Remember, Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to, "Go and sin no more" John 8:11. At times, the bible notes what some of the people did after Jesus touched their lives, but in this case, there is no more mention of her or what happened afterward. No one knows if she sinned again or not. Scripture is there to encourage us so we will sin less not be sinless. Sin will continue to be around us until Jesus comes.
---Daniel on 9/3/08


In HIM we HAVE the forgiveness of sin. We are now dead to sin. This is what the grace of God has given to us as Christians, so we may remain justified before God. There is no such thing as an unforgiven saint. Sin has no power over us. We are saints, not sinners.
---duane on 9/2/08


Let's consider the fact that "all sin and fall short of the glory." Do we need any more explanation than that. Saved Christians sin. The Pharisees followed the law to the letter and that is what cost them their souls...God is looking at hearts. If you are willfully sinning against God proclaiming Jesus as Lord, you are a liar and will perish. If you are trying, yet stumbling, but getting back up, saying you're sorry, and repenting (turning away from sin) you are ok.
---Pam on 9/2/08


.mic, you blaspheme against the sanctified and obedient of God, for you not only dis the holy body of Christ but also disobey his Commandment to: Do his same works and make diciples of all nations, just as every born-again Christian from Christ is actively Doing, but you are not, for you are not of my body but instead separate and the enemy of the cross. Your own blasphemy becomes your own judgment upon you.
---Eloy on 8/30/08


In order for a person to be forgiven by God for the sins they committed, they must repent and ask God to forgive them, if they don't God won't forgive them. Just like Judas, although he confess of what he done, he confess to the wrong people and not to Christ. He didn't ask Jesus to forgive him, instead he committed another sin, suicide. Nobody is forgiven by God if they don't ask. When Jesus said on the cross, Lord forgive them for they know not what they do. He was talking about the one that crucified him, the one that spit on him and said he lied about being the Father's son. They didn't know who Jesus was. But we do, that is why we need to seek forgiveness.
---Rebecca_D on 8/29/08


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Mima,Yes, I said what I did to make Christians think. Who do we have faith in? Ourselves?Or in Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sin. We as Christians turn from sinful ways as best we can, BECAUSE we are saved, NOT to get saved. Its our lifestyle because we love HIM. If the repenting of sin was required for salvation, not one human would ever be saved or stay saved because flesh and blood WILL do its sinful deeds. A reason for the Cross of Christ and a new life(born again)
True repentance= turn to Christ..
---duane on 8/29/08


I am more than dangerous because souls get saved and become christians because of me"REFLECTION for Eloy:-I think Jesus has a word to say about this in Matt23:12
---MIC on 8/28/08


.nicole, you continue to err, for I do not think that souls become Christian because I my life, instead I know and others also publicly know because it is documented that sinners have become saved through my ministering to them. Some get saved right away, and others later, I even was surprised to see a nonChristian whom I prayed with on the streets whom later I witnessed was completely converted and in church and in the Spirit praising God.
---Eloy on 8/29/08


Many christians believe they must repent of a sin to get forgiven. Wrong...
Have we forgotten the Cross? How were we saved? By grace through faith.
---duane on 8/28/08

Only those who forget about the Cross, refuse to repent of any new sin.

When you mediate on what suffering you caused Jesus to go through to release us from damnation, you will always repent for any new sin committed.

If you have fellowship with Him, and sin against Him, you can only say sorry to Him to continue your fellowship.

You can't continue friendship with someone, and refuse to say sorry at the same time.

Too prideful to say sorry?
Then don't sin anymore. Which is impossible.
So, stop with the pride, and say sorry.
---Nicole on 8/28/08


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nicole, I am more than dangerous, because souls actually get saved and become Christian because of me, and you may also.
---Eloy on 8/28/08


Okay, as long as you know thy self.

If you think people are getting saved because of you, more power to you.

It matters little to me who believes who is in charge.

Because I know who is truly in Charge.

God, Almighty.
---Nicole on 8/28/08


Those who squeal with delight "I believe I have faith, I AM SAVED"Take heed YES the race is only finished when your chest hits that tape and you have CROSSED that Finished line with God as your Judge.Those who take refuge in the OSAS theology are in for a rude awakening.Remember Jesus's words "Did I not proclaim in your name Lord?and Jesus says "I know you not"Jesus came to SHOW us the way to heaven and said "FOLLOW ME".Do we follow HIS WAY His church ALL HIS TEACHINGS those who read let him/her be advised.
---MIC on 8/28/08


"So, Its either faith in our continued, unending repenting of sin, or faith in Jesus Christ our sin bearer."
---duane on 8/28/08
This question at the end of---duane's post is very penetrating, penetrating into your deep thoughts of your own self-worth. Are you going to keep repenting of Sins endlessly when the Lord Jesus Christ has taken your sins away, as far as the east is from the west. Let us understand this question and then truthfully answer this question with the crux of the matter being are we depending on Jesus Christ or our own selfs as of the sin bearier? If Jesus has not bore our sins and set us free then we are still weighted down with sin and in an unsaved(going to hell) condition.
---mima on 8/28/08


***"There is no condemnation..." , absolutely! But are we always in Christ Jesus? ***


Nana, YES those who have been baptized into His death, and raided up together with Him are ALWAYS in Jesus..a New Creation. That NEW Creation CANNOT DIE EVER. We don't just pop in and outof Christ. Once you are Baptized into His Body you are SEALED by the Holy Spirit until the Day of Redemption...Remember Redeemed by His Blood....Bought with a Price....His Blood.

When you have been purchased by His Blood...you belong to HIM forever....you are no longer your own.
---kathr4453 on 8/28/08


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Nana, the point is, that God always makes a way of escape. Always. That we sin is for sure, but eventually we will escape that sin. It will never fail. We don't always walk in the Spirit.

Nicole you are right in your answer to Eloy, but wrong that Judas was saved. Eloy is just about always wrong. He say's "I am more then dangerous, because souls actually get saved and become Christian because of me"
Answer, he is dangerous, for no person is saved because of Eloy. Eloy cannot save anyone or save himself. Only God saves. The Spirit is the giver of life. If he is refering that he is a god, then I understand why he said what he said, but he is still wrong. Let me awaken him, Eloy, you are not God.
---Mark_V. on 8/28/08


Many christians believe they must repent of a sin to get forgiven. Wrong...
Have we forgotten the Cross? How were we saved? By grace through faith. We stay saved by grace through faith. We dont lose fellowship with HIM because of sin. Why?
Because HE took sin upon Himself long ago for you and set you FREE. We must continually trust in the finished work of the Cross for our continued forgiveness of sin. So, Its either faith in our continued, unending repenting of sin, or faith in Jesus Christ our sin bearer.
---duane on 8/28/08


.nicole, I am more than dangerous, because souls actually get saved and become Christian because of me, and you may also.
---Eloy on 8/28/08


"There is no mention that maybe sometimes or only to certain temptations."
---Mark_V. on 8/27/08
God always provides a "way of escape", do you always take it, do I? By your own admission you sin and so do I. "There is no condemnation..." , absolutely! But are we always in Christ Jesus? No, we are not. That is the reason Paul exclaims, "O wretched man that I am!" Our Lord and our Father do not rejoice nor approve, rather condemn us in our sins. The Christian man should condemn himself daily, exclaiming like the Apostle "O wretched man that I am!". We are not justified unto sin but unto righteousness and only in Christ , not in our iniquities.
---Nana on 8/27/08


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once a blogger posted the profound truth on here, saying, "We are not saved IN sin, but rather we are saved FROM sin."...the saint is not the sinner, and the sinner is not the saint.--Eloy

You are dangerous. You are suggesting that Saved people can not sin.

"We are not saved in sin, but rather we are saved from sin."

It isn't 'in' or 'from'.

It is 'of the'

We are Saved of the sin we have committed.

Jesus said Repent!
Matthew 4:17
Peter and Judas were Saved
Both Sinned.
Why is one is in Hell and the other in Heaven?

Peter repented of his sin.

Stop leading others to hell.
After Salvation, you still can sin and WILL SIN.
All that is needed is repentance.
---Nicole on 8/27/08


**Could this scripture, explain how we can be both sinners, and the same time saved? Romans 8:10,"And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness" think about it.**

This scripture means that the only way Christ can be in you is when you have been buried with Him and baptized into His death..and only then are we baptized into His Body..and raised up together with Him a New creation. We are saved by His RISEN LIFE,raised up with Him a New Creation. It means Adam 1's history ENDED at Calvary. If Adam 1 died with Christ..then WE are no longer sinners..

ALL else is belly button lint...just clinging to the outside, in hopes to hitch a free ride to heaven. No can do!!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/27/08


Nana, if you keep control I will answer you. You said what next? and give all those words you have to give. What do you feel is next? Do you want to just sit on your lazy-boy? What you do will give evidence of who you are. I have seen that evidence before from you to me.

Paul was talking about the inner man and the flesh. He responds to the flesh, and gives the reasons why. He finds that another law, the one which works in him (the law of sin) operates in the members of his body. The law of the mind, is equivalent to the new inner self which longs to obey the law of God (2 Cor. 5:17). Paul does state that with the tempation, God will make a way of escape. There is no mention that maybe sometimes or only to certain temptations.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/08


B. Nana, Romans 8:1 introduces the results of Pauls teachings in the first 7 chapters that justification is by faith alone on the basis of God's overwheming grace. For he say's, "There is no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from (the law of sin) and death" Even though the law of sin was in his body, the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ has set him free from the law of sin. No sin a believer can commit, past, present and future can be held against him, since the penalty was paid by Christ and His righteousness was imputed to the believer. This is God's Word to be believed.
---Mark_V. on 8/27/08


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Mark_V,
That is an undeniable and excellent exegesis of Mark 14:38. Even the statement concerning Rom 7:15-23 is a very true fact in the lives of Christians. What next? Do we just sit on our lazy-boy and pretend we have an infallible spiritual fortitude, a one which we excercise not, and that our bodies are just nuts and out of any human control? What next, that is what concerns me. In Rom 7:15-23 Paul is simply describing the inner workings of temptation. Temptation is only warded off by not letting our "self-confidence lull" US "to sleep spiritually". Paul said that God "with the temptation also make a way to escape" Why does the "way to escape" elude us, when it does? Later
---Nana on 8/27/08


Colossians2:11 you are circumcised with the circumcision of God of Heaven and Earth made without your own hands. Putting off the body of the sins of the flesh(the world) by the circumsion of Jesus Christ.
Galatians5:16--17 This I say, Walk in the Holy Ghost and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh. for the flesh lust against the Holy Ghost and the Holy Ghost against the flesh and these are contrary one to another.
God of Heaven and Earth has made a way for His people to be redeemed and reconciled to Him follow His instructions repent, name your sins in the Name of His Son, our Lord, Savior and Redeemer Jesus Christ and then be baptized in the Father the Son and the Holy Ghost and then you shall know the truth.
---shalla on 8/26/08


Nana,
Just as Duane stated, do not take the scripture out of context. Let's look at it from the NLT again and include verse 16, "This is a trustworthy saying, and everyone should accept it: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners and I am the worst of them all. But God had mercy on me so that Christ Jesus could use me as a prime example of his great patience with even the worst sinners. Then others will realize that they, too, can believe in him and receive eternal life." Paul doesnt speak in past tense because he points out what he was. Being a sinner is talking about the lifestyle, the whole. Continued
---Daniel on 8/26/08


Pt2: Jesus says in Luke 5:31-32, Jesus answered them, Healthy people dont need a doctorsick people do. I have come to call not those who think they are righteous, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent. Notice Jesus says in verse 32, but those who know they are sinners and need to repent. Use the same analogy, if you are not sick, you are well. If you are sick, you need help to heal. You are either well or sick, not both at the same time. You are either married or single, not both at the same time. You are a Christian or a sinner, not both at the same time. Continued
---Daniel on 8/26/08


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Pt4: We are saints, and we have been freed from the power of sin. Let us not forget Romans 8:1-3, "So now there is no condemnation for those who belong to Christ Jesus. And because you belong to him, the power of the life-giving Spirit has freed you from the power of sin that leads to death. The Law of Moses was unable to save us because of the weakness of our sinful nature. So God did what the law could not do. He sent his own Son in a body like the bodies we sinners have. And in that body God declared an end to sins control over us by giving his Son as a sacrifice for our sins."
---Daniel on 8/26/08


Mark 14:38, The context: And Jesus said to Peter, "Simon, are you sleeping?" which Jesus found him asleep. "Could you not watch one hour? This suggest that Jesus had spend one hour praying. "Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak" Watch, the greek means "to keep alert" Jesus was encouraging Peter, James, and John to discern when they were under spiritual attack. They were not to let their self-confidence lull them to sleep spiritually. "the flesh is weak" Because willing spirits are still attached to unredeemed flesh, believers are not always able to practice the righteousness they desire to do (Rom. 7:15-23).
---Mark_V. on 8/26/08


I remember once a blogger posted the profound truth on here, saying, "We are not saved IN sin, but rather we are saved FROM sin." O' how true it is: the saint is not the sinner, and the sinner is not the saint. Each soul chooses which life and destination they desire: if you sin you will go to hell, but when you right you will go to heaven.
---Eloy on 8/25/08


"Of whom I am chief...Chief in greek is proton which means first or former.
We must be careful what we read and put in proper context."
---duane on 8/25/08
"Proton", neutron or electron and of reading in "proper context"... Can a man die more than once, even daily? Paul declared it so, and Jesus say "Watch ye and pray, lest ye enter into temptation. The spirit truly is ready, but the flesh is weak." (Mark 14:38). Ignoring those Scriptures and their like, and to teach others to do the same is nothing more than playing with the things of God. "Does anyone still believe this?" How about integrity, character, honesty and humility, does anyone still believe in those?
---Nana on 8/25/08


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Of whom I am chief...Chief in greek is proton which means first or former.
We must be careful what we read and put in proper context.
---duane on 8/25/08


"For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit, the thing of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace." Although the believer is no longer in bondage to the moral law's condemnation and penalty (7:6) the law still reflects the moral character of God and His will for His creatures, But what the external written code was unable to accomplish, the Spirit is able to do by writing the law on our hearts (Jer. 31:33,34). "All those who...in the flesh" are all unbelievers (v.4) This Gr. verb refers to a basic orientation of the mindset that includes one's affection, mental processes.
---Mark_V. on 8/25/08


The context does not mean one sin takes you to hell. "Carnally minded" the Gr. 'minded' is a noun form of the verb in v.5. Carnally means of flesh. The person with the mind set on the flesh is spiritually dead (1 Cor. 2:14, Eph. 2:1). "Spiritually minded' describes every Christian. The person with a mind set on the things of the Spirit is spiritually alive and at peace with God, v. 5:1. In 8:7 "enmity against God" has to do with the unbelievers problem which is deeper than acts of disobedience, which are merely outward manifestations of inner flesh compulsions. His basic inclination are towards gratifying himself, however outwaredly religious or moral he may appear, he is directly hostile to God.
---Mark_V. on 8/25/08


The Apostle, Paul also wrote as a Christian that he's the "Chiefest of sinners"
---Paul on 8/24/08


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"Sweaty Saint Bernard" is a popular 'christian' cologne, "just put it on and you're good to go" is its slogan...
---Nana on 8/23/08


I believe we are now called SAINTS...not sinners.
---kathr4453 on 8/22/08


Consider yourself DEAD to sin and alive to God. If a man is dead to pain does he still feel pain or have pain?..NOT.. The same with sin.
Your either a sinner through Adam, or made righteous through Christ. Christ came to put sin away. Does anyone still believe this?
---duane on 8/22/08


Daniel,
You said, "Yes we are Christians (no longer sinners), but we are still capable of sinning." Cool take, but a sinner is one who sins period. 1 Tim 1:15: "This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am chief." Note how Paul says ,"of whom I am chief. He does not say, 'of whom I WAS chief'. There is healing in owning up to that, but not if just lip service... We should also own up to, God at times had just about wiped off the face of the Earth mankind, Moses decreed that an unbehaving youth after much correction if not straightened should be stoned. God ultimately decides, but we have plenty warnings, like Romans 11:20,21.
---Nana on 8/22/08


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The New Living Translation puts it like this, "And Christ lives within you, so even though your body will die because of sin, the Spirit gives you life because you have been made right with God." We were sinners (because we didn't receive God's gift of salvation) and were made righteous by grace through faith in Christ Jesus (when you accept God's gift Romans 10:9-10). The key is that we do not continue sinning. Yes we are Christians (no longer sinners), but we are still capable of sinning. And because we may fall to sin, we do not become sinners again. The perfect example is our children. If your son or daughter makes a mistake, are they no longer your child?
---Daniel on 8/19/08


Amen Catherine...
---duane on 8/18/08


The scripture is saying, "you are not in the flesh, but you are in the spirit". All should understand, the holy spirit of God is the "decisive factor" in salvation. Paul clearly teaches, as we all should teach, that no one can receive Christ's atonement for salvation unless the spirit of God dwells within him. Ofcourse, Salvation automately includes the baptism of the holy spirit. At salvation either we have ALL OF THE SPIRIT OF GOD or we have NONE of HIM. Take a note: The sinner listens to THE FLESH as to what to do. The saints listens to God as to what to do.. Right there is the difference in who is the saints and who is the sinners. God versus the flesh. Praise God... hallelujah
---catherine on 8/18/08


You can't wallow in the mud and still claim to be clean, claiming such things makes one a liar & a deceiver, so add that to the stinch of your sins!
REMEMBER, NO LIARS will enter the Kingdom of Heaven!
Liars will be left without, where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth...

If God saved not the Angels of Heaven for their sins & spared not the world for theirs, but overthrew it with a flood and only saved 8 people, HOW shall you stand in your sins on that day? YOU WON'T!!!

My Brothers blood ISN'T a meal ticket to CONtinue in your SINS!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 8/18/08


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We WERE sinners and are now saved by grace.
Why deny we have been made righteous through Christ? To say a Christian is a sinner, is to reject what Christ did for you.
---duane on 8/18/08


Absolutely... There is not one of us without sin, if there should be, he should cast the first stone. WE are a work in progress. WE come to God in faith, we continue in faith, we finish by faith. We are all sinners, saved by grace, if we have accepted Jesus Christ as Lord.
---gayla on 8/17/08


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---duane on 8/11/08


I dont think you can remain is the sin you repented from and be saved. Christ died once for us and not for us to continue in the sin we repented from when we were saved. How can we be saved if we do not change.
---michelle on 8/10/08


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I think some of you folks need to check out the meaning of the word [remission], as in remission of sin. In Christ\Ian
---Ian_8763 on 5/27/08


The Cross took sin away so we can have salvation. To say your a sinner and say your saved is just plain wrong. The wages of sin is death, not salvation. It must be terrible to be doubleminded. Will anyone still believe in the work of the Cross when HE returns?
---calhoon on 5/15/08


Part two>>Saints and sinners>>Truly, the mouth of the Lord has spoken [Isa. 1:18-20].==When a sinner is saved, born-again, he has a new position. He is now placed in Christ. [1] The believer and the law of sin and death-he is set free from it through Christ. [2] The believer and the law of Moses- He can fulfill the righteousness of it, through Christ. Paul does not say there is no fault, or sin, or imperfection, but no condemnation he says.>>More>
---catherine on 5/15/08


The conclusion of sinners and Saints>>Now we true Christians are indwelled by the Holy Spirit. Note: It would be impossible to be saved and not believe in the Trinity. I can explain that on another blog. Look for it. And have a Great day AS unto the Lord.++
---catherine on 5/15/08


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We are now adopted by the Father [God never adopts any other than His own]. The Father must began the action leading to adoption.>>>"Come now, and let us reason together, says the Lord, though your sins are as scarlet, they will be as white as snow, "though they are red like crimson, they will be like wool." "If you consent and obey, you will eat the best of the land, "but if you refused and rebel, you will be devoured by the sword. MORE>
---catherine on 5/15/08


One thing I know for sure,
A person can't come to God W/a Sorrowful Heart for the things they've DONE And then be washed(covered)W/the Blood of Jesus,
And then Just say "I'm Washed NOW, I can do what i want too", IF you Continue to Sin, JESUS is NOT in YOU.
God CANNOT DWELL W/DARKNESS, AND thats what Sin Causes...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/15/08


Duane ... Then why do you say your flesh is sinful? You did say that, didn't you?
I asked three questions ... you answered only one.
As I said before, you seem to be at the dangerous end of OSAS .. Because you DO have a flesh, and if this sins, you will deny any responsibility for this, and preseumably no need to repent.
---alan_of_UK on 5/15/08


Nana, I must agree with you on the whole body, spirit and sin issue..you make a very good point.
---mary on 5/14/08


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I am a sinner saved by the grace of the Almighty, by the blood of Christ, and washed by the Holy Spirit.

The Apostle Paul said "I am the chief of sinners" -1Tim 1:15. He did not say "I was"

The Apostle John said if we say that we sin not we are a liar - 1 John 1:8.

Our physical bodies sin. When we are washed by the Holy Spirit our spirit ceases from sin. This creates within us a spiritual warfare. That's why Paul says we are to reign over over bodies.
---trey on 5/14/08


Alan,
The answer is NO...
Dont you know, I have been born again. The old man has died. How can the dead man still sin? Im dead to sin and alive to God.
---duane on 5/14/08


The flesh is sinful, in that the flesh is weak and needs to be fed. It has needs of pleasure, is quick to anger. The flesh is weak, the spirit is strong. Have you been born again of the Spirit?
The flesh is weak and will die because of the sin of Adam.
Tell me everyone on this blog, What did Christ do for you? Are you a sinner or Did Christ set you free from sin???
---duane on 5/14/08


Duane ... You have said your flesh is sinful.
Presumably that means yuor flesh sins?
Please say yes of no to that question!
If your flesh does not sin, how can it be sinful?
If yuor flesh does sin, Perhaps yuo claim that your flesh is not part of you?
---alan_of_UK on 5/14/08


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Alan_DDM ... Since Duane will not explain how he can make these two contradictory statements, perhaps you can?

"Do I still sin? NO WAY"
"My flesh may do SINFUL deeds at times"
---alan_of_UK on 5/6/08


No, i can't help you, That's totally contradictory!
A man can't continue to Sin AND be Sinless!

frances_NO I Don't even Lust over pretty women.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 5/14/08


Alan,Read again all that I have written on this blog. Your answers are there.
---duane on 5/13/08


Part 2

In Rom 8:10 the body/nature (flesh) is dead because of the original sin of Adam and therefore our inherited sin. When you are born again, you receive a new divine nature (2 Pet 1:4, 2 Cor 5:17, Gal 6:15).
---Angela on 5/12/08


Part 3

... which is incorruptible (1 Pet 1:23) regardless of the housing our new recreated spirt dwells in. That 'inner man' is the one God deals with because He is Spirit (John 4:24)
You need to differentiate between the three parts of each of us, the body, soul and spirit : 1 Thess 5:23. This will help you understand.
Love and blessings,
Angie
---Angela on 5/12/08


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Just would like to add a few things.

Part 1:

To be 'in the flesh' means to be carnally minded. This means to regard what your senses tell you, instead of what one should do (which is walk by faith). So rom 8:8 means 'they that function only by their physical senses cannot please God' Why? Because they are not functioning in faith.
---Angela on 5/12/08


Duane ... As I said before, I am glad you do not sin. And I am glad of your perfect human behaviour.

But now you say "IN HIM, we HAVE the forgiveness of sin." Why on earth do you need that forgiveness, since you do not sin?

It might help my understanding of what you say if you can tell me what you mean by "sinful flesh", which you say you still have.
---alan_of_UK on 5/12/08


Alan,
Your still denying, Christ came to do away with sin. HE bears our sin now. HE died so you could be set free from sin. Do you still think you can set yourself free from sin? There is no hope unless Christ sets you free. Your efforts are useless.
IN HIM, we HAVE the forgiveness of sin.
The battle has been won. We are Saints, not sinners.
Remember, No sin shall enter....How shall u save yourself?
---duane on 5/12/08


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