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Brain Washed Hellbound

What happens to people, adults or children, who are "brain washed", in the religion of Islam, or whatever, and end up killing themselves? Like suicide bombers who claim that they are giving their lives for Allah.

Moderator - They die and go to hell.

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Frances says "I myself was given some drug for stress and depression, and that was like the devil getting into my brain saying 'Your life is useless, you cannot change, you have no future, people would be better off without you, why not just end it now and put yourself out of your misery?'

My own experience with depression was different.

As I fell deeper into depression, it was like the devil getting into my brain saying 'Your life is useless, you cannot change, you have no future, people would be better off without you, why not just end it now and put yourself out of your misery?'

It was the medication prescribed by a God-taught doctor which lifted me out of that state and brought me back to normality
---alan_of_UK on 7/28/08


If someone committed suicide because of medication side effects, they might become a 'repentant captive' if they recieve Jesus in prison...

Ephesians 4:8
"Therefore it is said, "When he ascended on high he led a host of captives, and he gave gifts to men."
---more_excellent_way on 7/25/08


any religion, including christianity, can brainwash people in the name of obedience. there are people who continue to send money believing that it is the ticket to prosperity or health. the bible can be exploited & perverted using guilt, shame, fear & blame. that is another way you call brainwashing. the worst part is you are told 'not to question the word of god' for if you do, you lack faith, disobedient & arrogant.
---mike on 7/25/08


frances008:

One reson people judge is that they like closure. They like things to be in black and white. They also like security. Knowing the good are rewarded and the evil are punished gives them that kind of security. And finally, they like the feeling of power they get from making decisions.

However, leaving judgment to someobody else (like God in the case of sin or separating wheat from tares, or civil authorities in the case of criminal matters) means they have to trust those authorities to make the right decisions, even if those decisions disagree with their own. And also to trust those decisions even it takes many years for judgment to be rendered. Most people don't have that sense of security, nor that sense of patience.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/08


Why don't we admit that God is the judge and stop judging. Suicide is not an option for a Christian and is a bad idea for anyone else since it means you cut yourself off from being evangelized to. However, some children were given drugs for Attention Deficit Disorder and the side effect was that they were suicidal and committed suicide. I myself was given some drug for stress and depression, and that was like the devil getting into my brain saying 'Your life is useless, you cannot change, you have no future, people would be better off without you, why not just end it now and put yourself out of your misery?' All day, this voices were telling me what to do. Please don't judge suicided people. You do not know their situation.
---frances008 on 7/22/08




How awful if someone is said to have committed suicide and so the family just assume that that person is in hell, what a heartbreaking situation. How many people will bother to pray for that soul? Yes, perhaps God listens to prayer for loved ones in some holding cell before Judgement. After all the Bible says two interesting things, 1 Cor 3.11-15 suggests that there is a purifying fire in the next life, and Matthew 12.32 says that there is an unforgivable sin, being blaspheming the Holy Spirit, which will not be forgiven even in the next life, hinting that sins can be forgiven after dying.
Please, Mods, put this one up this time.
---frances008 on 7/22/08


Rebecca ... I don't follow you!"

"if you believe a lie, you'll be damned". ... "If they don't know the things they've been taught are lies, they won't be held accountable for it" ... Those two statements appear to be self-contradictory

"if they still believe in lies after knowing the truth, then they will be held accountable" Surely it's not possible to believe the lie once you know it is a lie!!
---alan_of_UK on 7/22/08


While I totally agree with the moderator,
"Moderator - They die and go to hell." I think it would be good to point out that they are going to hell, whether or not they commit suicide if they believe in Islam.
---Mima on 7/22/08


If a child has been taught a certain way and that is all they know, God won't hold that against them but the parents. Unless they come to the knowledge to the truth when older and choose to ignore it, then God will hold them responsible. In our eyes we believe that if one doesn't have Christianity but another religion, then they are in the wrong. But if that is how they were taught since birth, they wouldn't know any better.
---Rebecca_D on 5/22/08


Suicide - self-murder.

Prohibited by God. Satan tempted Jesus Christ to commit suicide - Luke 4:9.

Suicide - attempted but prevented in Acts 16:27,28.
---Ulrika on 5/3/08




Suicide is prohibited.

1 Cor 6:19, Ex 20:13, 2 Tim 4:6-8, 18.
Rev 9:6

Brought on by hopelessness and sin.
Job 3:20-23, Eccl 2:17, Jonah 4:3, 8, 9
Judg 16:29, 30, 1 Kin 16:18, 19
2 Sam 17:23, Matt 27:3-5
---Ulrika on 5/3/08


Do you have any scriptural proof that those who commit suicide, regardless of the excuse or the way the question was asked up above that those who commit suicide go to heaven?

Suicide - attempted but prevented by God in Acts 16:27, 28.

God prevents and prohibits suicide for a very good reason. Let's tell the truth no matter how much it hurts.
---Ulrika on 5/3/08


Humor doesn't prevent suicide, but God can.

He steps in all of the time to prevent attempted suicides, brought on by hopelessness, weariness, anger, disappointments and sin.

God forbids or prohibits suicide. Regardless of the excuse - religious honor or severe depression, suicide is self-murder.
---Ulrika on 5/3/08


The bible says if you believe a lie, you'll be damned. Alot of people are believing lies, but to them it is the truth. If they don't know the things they've been taught are lies, they won't be held accountable for it. Until they come to the knowledge of the truth, if they still believe in lies after knowing the truth, then they will be held accountable.
---Rebecca_D on 5/3/08


The Moderator reiterated the question clearly.

Suicide is suicide. Adding all of the additional excuses, drug cartels, depression meds, I can't stand my parents,
kids at school make fun and bully me so I'll get even and show them,
my boss is so mean I can't take it anymore,

The excuses are endless but suicide is suicide. It's murder of self.
---Ulrika on 5/3/08


There have been so many debates about mental illness, all forms of it.
Demon possession, chemical imbalance or brain abnormalities.

God stops the mentally ill from suicide as well as those who want to get even with their parents. Those who follow through did not listen, were unable to listen or were already turned over to a reprobate mind.
Columbine comes to mind.

Suicide is suicide.
---Ulrika on 5/3/08


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A suicide in a family can attach itself to the rest of the family, it is spiritual.
If you look at family's with a history of suicide, it is a spirit.

If the spirit of suicide remains in a family, you will find the survivors becoming obsessed with death. They try to contact the dead, they visit with the dead, and in the extreme, they want to be dead, too.
Suicide is deadly to a family.
---Ulrika on 5/3/08


I know a family with two members that have committed suicide. They are busy praying for the dead, and the surviving members are extremely depressed and obsessed with death.

Suicide is suicide. The results are the same regardless of the excuse.
---Ulrika on 5/3/08


Everyone who commits suicide does it due to "external forces" beyond their control - that's what all of the survivors tell themselves so they can handle it.
The truth is difficult for survivors to handle.

But let's tell the truth. Suicide is suicide.
Whether it be because of the bully at school or work, a religion that demands honor dying, depression meds or chemical imbalance, suicide is suicide.
---Ulrika on 5/3/08


You know a tree by it's friuts...

Please listen to, or read your own words

Who are we as(humans)to say, "I will let Jesus into my Heart. NO ONE can birth them selfs into the Kingdom of GOD John 3:1-7
Sorry it cant be done!Luke 13:24..Heb.12:17
Jesus said to "Repent","Deny self","Daily Cross" HE didnt say accept me or give me your heart.. your false teaching pastor said that. Sorry if it hurts,take note of how many times your pastor tell you to repent.
---joe on 5/3/08


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The moderator over simplified the question. Are you asking about death by suicide in general, or suicide for a cause, or unknowingly committing suicide due to external forces, ie drugs etc?
---dan on 5/2/08


They die as the Moderator has said. And three kinds of people who go to hell: the wicked by nature who never heard the gospel, the person who heard the gospel, but rejected it, and the backslider who never repented or returned to the Lord.
---Eloy on 5/2/08


In today's news, they believe the D.C. Madam committed suicide. She was found dead with suicide notes.
I find that incredibly tragic. Regardless of what she did or who she was, suicide is a tragedy. If suicide was the same as dying, we would not have that feeling of incredible loss and sadness for anyone who takes their own life.
---Ulrika on 5/1/08


She was on trial, facing longterm jail sentence. Those kind of pressures move people to take their own life. They reach a breaking point. Some cry out to God for help and He helps them. Some let the devastation overwhelm them, the devil tells them that there is no other way out. It's horrible and only God can rip you out of the devil's grip, stronghold.
---Ulrika on 5/1/08


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When I heard the news, I was reminded of Jesus telling the woman caught in adultery - where are your accusers.
If only the DC Madam had turned to Jesus Christ in her moment of crisis, I believe Jesus would have saved her from death. She had a book with 100's of names. Jesus could have helped her attorneys point the finger back at her accusers and set her free, if she had only turned to Jesus Christ instead.
---Ulrika on 5/1/08


Call upon the Name of the Lord and He will save you. For anyone out there, who would even entertain such a thought, do not do it.

Do not take your own life. God listens to every person who cries out to Him for help.
Do not ever think by taking your own life that you will be in heaven and your troubles will all be over. That's not true.
---Ulrika on 5/1/08


Whatever excuse you use, a breaking point, doing it for a cult or false prophet, too many drugs, the Mod's answer is direct but truthful.
---Ulrika on 5/1/08


We do not really understand much about God, now do we? Why He even bothers to save some when most are going to go to hell.
---catherine on 5/1/08


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Do you have any scripture to support those claims?
Why do we hear so many testimonies of people who were ready to commit suicide and God intervened in remarkable ways. People who were stoned out of their heads, overdose of pills, gun to their head, car running in the garage - and God intervened in a dramatic way to stop them before they pulled the trigger.
---Ulrika on 4/30/08


If it was alright with God to kill yourself - He wouldn't step in and stop all of these people. He would welcome you home sooner if suicide was alright.
The bible doesn't say that.
Did you know that judgment comes sooner for those that commit suicide?
---Ulrika on 4/30/08


I'm sorry if someone you know has committed suicide, but it's risky Christianity to make excuses for suicide - however it takes place, with a myriad of excuses and circumstances.

If God permitted suicide, He wouldn't bother stepping in and stopping so many from going through with it.
It's risky to make excuses for people and say they're in heaven. There's no biblical proof of that claim.
---Ulrika on 4/30/08


It's risky to tell anyone that suicide is permissible, and that those who have are in heaven.
I know this is a touchy subject. Many of us know someone who has committed suicide, and we would all like to believe that they made it to heaven.
I do not have any scripture that says that they do make it, do you have any proof?
---Ulrika on 4/30/08


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Suicide is murder of self. You cannot repent of it after you're dead.

If God was OK with suicide, He wouldn't stop people, time and time again, before they followed through.
There's a very good reason for why He does that, and I know that it's hard to accept the outcome for those who didn't listen to Him.
---Ulrika on 4/30/08


So when you talk of 'suicides', Ulrika, you do not know 100 per cent in every case that it was a real suicide, done voluntarily. God is merciful, too. But not to those who deliberately or negligently cause others to commit suicide. Eg. Parents neglecting drug addict children.
---frances008 on 4/30/08


I believe not the victim but those who cause the stress will go to hell in cases of many suicides. That is not in the Bible, however I believe it. God is all-knowing, and we clearly are not. I don't assume to know everything, all I do is point out that there is a lot going on in the world that is hidden.
---frances008 on 4/30/08


IF you buy a car, And drive it OFF a Cliff to commit Suicide,
IS it The car Dealers Fault?
NO NO NO Frances!

Your responsible for YOUR own Action!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/30/08


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If I had committed suicide due to the drugs I was given by a doctor, would I go to Hell? No, of course not. There are many many people whose death is written down as suicide when the police either knowingly or unknowingly are covering a murder case. It is a 'cop out' for them to write suicide. Sometimes it benefits the grieving family, because the workplace can offer compensation if they were the outside cause of stress that led to the suicide.
---frances008 on 4/30/08


I read yesterday in John, I think, that Jesus said 'My Father's house has many rooms'.

Anyway, I am not of the club who believe that if a word of idea is not spelt out in the Bible then it does not exist. A lot of doctrine is not in the Bible. We are all victims of systems imposed on us from above. It is impossible to follow the Bible 100 per cent. That is why I am so grateful Jesus came to cover our sins.
---frances008 on 4/30/08


Lastly, All of you that think you let GOD,CHRIST,or the HOLY GHOST do something in your life, are at the wide gate...

You need to explain this one Joe, because I am at a loss as to what you mean by it. What are you trying to say? Trying is the operative word here because if you did try you didn't put much effort into it. Isn't that a form of godliness that denies the power thereof?

If you really want to discuss things don't put scripture verses in and run away, that's indifference not love.
---pharisee on 4/30/08


Amen Kumquat!
For those whom have been given Much, Much will be required.
He not talking about money either, people!
Hes talking about Knowledge of God,


Ans. 2 ? above.
No, 70 virgins, Wings & Halo,Hewll's Fire.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 4/30/08


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pharisee, that a fitting name...

Huh?
Joe I don't mind that you have an opinion of me, I am upset that you'd call me a pharisee and not really explain why.

Verse 18, yes, sorry I really intended to include that (it was the whole point) but got confused. Maybe that doesn't happen to you?

Galatians 6:1 Joe?
---pharisee on 4/30/08


you don't have that kind of power!
---joe on 4/29/08

Joe Jesus said plainly what he's going to do, I haven't decided anything for him.

You might make note of this- You'll catch more flies with honey than vinegar.
---pharisee on 4/30/08


Was the prophet Mohammad a type of antichrist? If you think about it, his teachings have led to the destruction of many like other antichrists throughout time.
Could it be.
---Emcee on 4/30/08


Joe, what do YOU really know about ANYONE who blogs here.

You've come here and said we have a form of godliness and deny the power of God, that we do not endure sound doctrine, and that we set out purposely to deceive. Those are HEAVY charges!

Your claims prove the love of God is not in you. Not by what you said but how you said it, no attempt at restoration, no accountability. Whatever holy potion you drank you should share the formula so we can all play God too.
---pharisee on 4/30/08


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Jesus did say that there are degrees of punishment. Those who did not know God's will are punished less severely than those who did.

Luke 12:47-48
---kumquat on 4/30/08


It comes down to reliability not infallibility. I trust the Mod's answers over most of the answers. So I appreciate them and sail right on by the ones that I do not find reliable or credible.
---Ulrika on 4/30/08


Well, I wouldn't want to tell people that as long as you have a legitimate excuse for committing suicide, God's alright with it.
That may not be the case and waiting until we get to heaven to find out if those who have committed suicide are there is risky Christianity.
---Ulrika on 4/30/08


These people feel they are doing something honorable with a totally legitimate excuse.
The end result is the same.

So how can you say that people who commit suicide are in heaven? Do you have any scriptural proof of that?
---Ulrika on 4/30/08


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Seances and ouija boards, or contacting the dead are not proof that someone is in heaven.
No proof whatsoever. Neither do photos of ghosts prove that someone is in heaven.

Suicide, murder of self. Do you have scriptural proof that they go to heaven?
---Ulrika on 4/30/08


Lastly, All of you that think you let GOD,CHRIST,or the HOLY GHOST do something in your life, are at the wide gate, because you 2Tim.3:5, and also 2Tim.4:3,4 and even Eph.4:14, please Repent before HIS return, In Closing I would like all of you to read Eph.1:11 & 2:10 God is Sovereign! Isa.45:7 & 46:10
---joe on 4/29/08


Those who suicide themselves because life is not worth living, have an excuse. It might not save them but it is an excuse. Those who murder because they are deceived by a false 'Christianity' that is based on lies about Muslims being the terrorists on 911, they are wilfully disobeying the commandments.
---frances008 on 4/29/08


3)pharisee, that a fitting name, You quote John 3:16-17 but does not 18 fit here as well the key word is "already" for whosoever that beleives not, Can't "accept Christ" by their own will somewhere down the road of life, Christ tells us that in v18.So bring real New Testament doctrines to the blogs please. you or any one else are not going to "let" Christ or "decide" what Christ will do, you don't have that kind of power!
---joe on 4/29/08


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Joe, I am not very learned. Did I say something to offend you? If I did I sincerely apologize.
---SusieQ on 4/29/08


I looked in my concordance under hell and to my surprise it is not mentioned in any of Paul's or John's epistles or in the Gospel of John. Does anyone have any thoughts on that?
---SusieQ on 4/29/08


Based on alot of the anwsers given here,in his blog.many of you have indeed received and have been deceieved by "another Jesus" 2Cor.11:4. But read on,because many of you will stop there. You had better find out what "transformed" means(in Greek)in verses 14 & 15. 1.Auqie stop praying for the dead God's will has been done Isa.46:10
2.susieQ Are you totally unlearned?"brained washed"I beg you to read acts 4:24-28 it was fortold Isa.53 it's only 12 verses read all of them.
---joe on 4/29/08


(!) The mind is a strange thing. It is separate from the soul. It is possible to brainwash Christians and so they become deceived and believe false doctrines and murder fellow Christians. Obviously some do not do the murders. I believe that the goodness of God, the Holy Spirit is available to all, and he instructs us as to how to act. If we of our own will decide to murder, etc, because we have voluntarily brainwashed ourselves, that is one thing.
---frances008 on 4/29/08


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(2) If however, we have been drugged, hypnotized etc, without our consent and then go on to murder, that is entirely different. God is the judge. What about kids who commit suicide due to being put on faulty medications???
---frances008 on 4/29/08


Kumquat, it depends on many things, like culture, ability to read, access to libraries. I believe God knows that some people in their hearts love God (good), and some in their hearts hate Him . Many will say 'Lord, Lord, we did so much for you, casting out devils, preaching in your name, of course we believed in you'. .. but they are going to be rejected. Likewise God will accept those who DID what he commands, even if they did not know Him. The Moderators are not infallible. Neither am I.
---frances008 on 4/29/08


I always like the Mod's answers. They cut right to the chase. Then I don't have to bother slogging through all of the others.
---Ulrika on 4/29/08


They die and go to hell. It's the truth, my friends.
---catherine on 4/29/08


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It is very possible that many of those who killed Jesus became Christians after HIS death and resurrection. No one knows who is truly saved and who is not. Many preaching in pulpits today may not make it to Heaven. Only God knows for sure.
---KarenD on 4/29/08


There is no age of consent in the scriptures, the closet thing is the circumcision of Ishmael at age thirteen (Gen 17:25)
"Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.
And ye shall teach them your children, speaking of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, when thou liest down, and when thou risest up." Deuteronomy 11:18-19
---pharisee on 4/29/08


"Who on these blogs has the authority to determine who is really saved and who is not?"

Most on here don't merely decide others aren't saved, we get specific instruction in scripture as to what is needed for salvation.

The words of Christ hold final authority and we subject ourselves to that word. The ultimate message of the gospel is what will you do with Jesus of Nazareth either you believe his words and receive salvation or you don't and receive condemnation. John 3:16-17
---pharisee on 4/29/08


Kumquat, yes, I too do not try to decide who really loves Jesus and who does not. I hope I can treat everyone with love and kindness. We are all made in the image and likeness of God, and whatever we do to others we do to Jesus.
---SusieQ on 4/29/08


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"Anyone who does not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, is not saved."

I've been meaning to ask this question.

Who on these blogs has the authority to determine who is really saved and who is not?

Who really believes in Jesus and who does not?

Who has "wrapped himself in Jesus alone" and who has not?
---kumquat on 4/29/08


Anyone who does not believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, is not saved. The unsaved will perish and be sentenced to Hell by the Lord on Judgement day:) It does not matter what false religion they followed they are simply unbelievers who are hellbound.:)
---jody on 4/29/08


They go to hell!!! Sincerity, a good heart, best of intentions, good behavior, are not qualifications to enter the kingdom of heaven. The ticket to heaven was paid for by Jesus Christ on across the Calvary. Therefore to be assured of heaven, we need to wrap ourselves up, in Jesus and Jesus alone!!
---Mima on 4/29/08


frances008: "Also, children are less than the age of consent and not responsible for their choices."

Please tell us exactly what the "age of consent" for children is according to the Bible, giving the appropriate reference.
---kumquat on 4/29/08


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I believe that people who are brainwashed are judged accordingly. It is like an illness. It is not their own fault. Also, children are less than the age of consent and not responsible for their choices. I believe God has a place in Heaven for them. God sees the heart. Many Christians (so called) are not going to Heaven.
---frances008 on 4/29/08


Perhaps the same thing will happen to brainwashed people who kill as happened the people who killed Jesus. Jesus prayed on the cross, Forgive them, Father, for they know not what they do.
---SusieQ on 4/28/08


Augie...Praying for someone's soul after their death is worthless. Pray for the living that they might find Jesus.
---KarenD on 4/29/08


Unfortunately Augie, the Mod is right.

The fact that they believe the teachings of Muhammad wholesale is damnable because they include severe blasphemies against Jesus Christ.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:
John 5:23 That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father which hath sent him.
---pharisee on 4/28/08


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I pray for their souls. How cruel for their leaders to deceive them into killing themselves!
---Augie on 4/28/08


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