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Church Accountablility

GOD holds each of us "accountable". Romans 14:12 What should be done to ensure that there is adequate "accountability" within the church?

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we are the church,and we are accountable first to God and his commands,then to live under those commands,and a life lead by following the teachings of our lord jesus.second we are to love one another, and third obey the laws of our country as long as they are not in conflict with Gods word.
---tom2 on 5/1/08


Rom.14:10-12 why dost thou judge thy brother?...For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ... say the Lord, every knee shall bow, and every tongue shall confess to God. So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God.

From believing that everything we do in essence, because God sees all, is a confession to God, stirs us to seek to be accountable. This instills RESPONSIBILITY for our actions and keeps us from blaming others & hopefully from judging others.
---Shawn.M.T on 5/1/08


Pharisee:

Thanks for your input. It looks like the Accountability that I was thinking about is the realm, and responsibility, of the Government.

Your explanation of things is more along the lines of Grace. I agree, that is what the Bible teaches and what we should follow. Accountability to GOD. Thanks again.
---Augie on 5/1/08


Augie
1) Problems happen but they can only be resolved by the grace of God not man, take for instance the story of Job. His three friends came to help him but Job only became more distressed & resentful toward his friends.
---Shawn.M.T on 5/1/08


2) Some times things are not heard when uninvited people come to us specifically to help us in our problems or to tell us we have a problem. This makes us feel we are being judged and flares up the ego, which disables us from hearing what the Lord is saying through them.

But when that ego is not present, we are able to earnestly give account of ourselves to the Lord and gain some hope in once again residing in His peace.
---Shawn.M.T on 5/1/08




Augie, I agree with you, but at the same time I see wisdom in God's way.

The cause is simple: if you start making ordinances within the church designed to promote accountability you make hoops for people to jump through in order to be accepted by the church. That's not Grace.

We know a God that sets all things in order at the end, he's promised us that and we either trust in that provision or we implement legalism and become a cult Lording over the flock.
---pharisee on 5/1/08


Accountability is built into every born again heart. Do people fall- absolutely.

Am I saying it has no place between brethren? You couldn't spend ten minutes with me and think I believe that.

I'm not a busy body (that I know of) but I forget not everyone is like me, even among those we call the sheep there'll be those who hide their goatish behavior even from themselves.
"self deception is the cruelest deception of all." G.Twardy
---pharisee on 5/1/08


Augie
** Romans 14:12 So then every one of us shall give account of himself to God. **

We are to make ourselves accountable to God not man. We are to give to man that which belongs to man (Luke 20:25). But we are to want nothing from man but to love him. No love will be found in policing one another but it will be found in edifying one another.
---Shawn.M.T on 4/30/08


Shawn M.T.

I've witnessed many problems within churches. Many churches seem to operate on a "buddy" system between: pastors, boards, deacons, members, missionaries, visitors, etc.

Most of the time such a system works fine. Until there is a problem. Then even more problems follow. Time for a little more Accountability ???
---Augie on 4/30/08


Augie
As long as YOU believe that God holds each of us accountable, then your faith should be assurance enough that there is adequate "accountability" within the church.
---Shawn.M.T on 4/30/08




Mark 6:7

"And he called unto him the twelve, and
began to send them forth by two and two,
and gave them power over unclean spirits"

I believe the Jesus did just this so that none of the Apostles would fall into trouble on the road. No sexual trysts, crime, etc.

If Jesus used a system to foster Accountability among his disciples, then I believe that Jesus' Church should too.
---Augie on 4/30/08


I believe that the reason why we're seeing a lot of problems in Churches, such as: sexual abuse of children, fleecing of congregations, Pastors falling into sin, etc. is a lack of Accountability.

Like laws, rules, and policies, Accountability isn't mean to be a "bad" thing. The purpose is to help and protect us. There might be things that need to be ironed out if problems are discovered. Most things do require some refining as times goes on.
---Augie on 4/30/08


Examples of Accountability:

(1) USA Constitution:

Executive Branch (President), Legislative Branch (Congress), Judicial Branch (Supreme Court). ALL three branches are Accountable to the others.

(2) USA Corporations:

Chief Executive is Accountable to Corporate Board, which is Accountable to Stockholders, which are Accountable to the Government.

Churches, and other Non-Profits in the USA, try to follow the latter example.
---Augie on 4/30/08


All churches should at a minimum have an annual meeting with an annual report showing full financial disclosure of all assets and expenses consistant with AICPA standards. If the church can not afford an outside audit the books should be examined by at least three compitent members of the church with financial backgrounds not serving on current church boards or related to any member of the church staff.
---notlaw99 on 4/30/08


Accountability,1
What is the Golden Rule? It is a two part rule, of God
and of our fellow man. Failure to fulfill the second part
will ultimately holds us accountable to God for non
compliance.
---Nana on 4/30/08


Accountability,2
For what reason or account the Lord pronounced as in
Matthew 24:50_51? Because abuse against our brother,
our "fellowservant" and derelection of duties as in
Matthew 24:48_49.
How important is to have a clean and clear accounting
between us? As important as the fact that God would
have us get that straight before presenting ourselves
to him, Matthew 5:24.
---Nana on 4/30/08


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Accountability,3
Matthew 18:10_35. When we go to our brother, we are
holding him accountable. What goes around comes around
and we too must be held accountable and if wrong, we must
also accept our wrong and correct it.
---Nana on 4/30/08


if you have a problem take it to the lord.we are and will be held accountable PERSONALLY and INDIVIDUALLY,by jesus, at the judgement seat of christ.there will be no witnesses just you and him and the truth.so my suggestion would be accountable to the one who will judge you.
---tom2 on 4/29/08


I think the Church needs to focus on teaching members to Love one another and to value serving GOD during this lifetime:) We do not need to start policing one another. These are critical times and policing would be one more giant step backwards towards greater apostacy. We need to bear fruit and walk after the manner that Jesus did. Many blessings:)
---jody on 4/29/08


Lisa:

I am refering to how Christians, and/or Church members, hold each other "in check". Examples where "Accountability" can be important:

* Crime control. Minimal or no abuse.
* Proper use of church funds or money.
* Safety. More people helping is better.
* Burnout. More people means less of this.
* Refining. Ideas can use another opinion.
* Other things?
---Augie on 4/29/08


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Are you talking about mentoring and/or shepherding movement?
I don't believe in either of those.
We're accountable to God, not a man or pastor. Heard a recent program about the amount of people that have burned badly from mentoring and shepherding. It caused a great many people to leave church altogether because of the spiritual abuse.
---lisa on 4/29/08


These programs can be set up like multi-level marketing programs. "Because I am the pastor, you need to wash my car, mow my lawn or run errands for me". Because I am the pastor, you are my subjects and I am the king. It can get way out of hand and be no different than an FLDS compound. Same abusive practices - accountable to the prophet, shepherd or pastor.
---lisa on 4/29/08


When I hear about church accountability, I see a red flag. There's the potential for mentoring/shepherding abuse.
Many of these churches demand 10% tithes from the people also. Not giving but tithing.
---lisa on 4/29/08


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