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Pastor Refused Me In Church

Wanted to testify today at church. Pastor refused me in front of large church crowd. Any thoughts?

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Stephanie: The pastor that told you to leave your happy marriage was dead wrong. Leave and never go back. He overstepped his boundaries. He is a pastor not a dictator. There is a big difference. He is to look after your soul not your marriage and household. You should be the one to decide to stay or leave your marriage after seeking God on this.Your pastor ideas and thoughts can be listened to and regarded but the last decision is yours.
---Robyn on 9/19/08

Maybe the Pastor had more things he had to say and time did not allow him to let you give your testimony. Had the Pastor asked for testimonies from the congregation or you just took it upon yourself to stand up and go forward? It is better to wait until the Pastor asks for testimonies or you let him know before the service that you have a testimony to give, that way he will arrange his program with you in mind. And when you give your testimonies go to the point make them short.

---caroa9397 on 9/19/08

Dead programs where people enter the church, refuse to obey the Holy Spirit, and they all leave the same way or worse then when they entered, yuk! There are too many sinners wanting to be in control of God's house, rather than letting God be in control of His own house. And the Lord and I have left a few churches because of this very sin of "quenching the Spirit".
---Eloy on 9/18/08

Elder, sir. You must have seen and heard it all. My uncle(s) both are(were) Reverends and from them I have learned much over 47 years. Blessed am I that Uncle Tom thinks highly of me. He is nearing 75 and I know of his faults. He has had to make many hard decisions protecting his flock. I wonder if folks understand the burden upon a person ordained unless they are a member of his/ her family. This position can be mentally, emotionally, and spiritually difficult. As with not many others occupations being faithful to God is a battle that requires constant attending to. Either the man is a risk or the preacher is. Pray for both. Yes?
---Pamela on 9/16/08

Testify can mean 'tell the congegation, or people you are chatting with how you came to know the Lord' or it can mean 'tell people about what the Lord did for you yesterday or last week etc.' It would be impossible for most people to describe, in 3 minutes, HOW they came to believe in Jesus, although I agree that we should be reasonably brief to give others a chance. But a testimony can mean anything we wish to say about how Jesus is showing us His way and moulding us in our lives or how we have learned from having to be disciplined by Him etc.
---RitaH on 7/23/08

Since only your side of the story is being presented, don't really know why the pastor refused you time to testify. Do know of one case where a pastor allowed a person to testify, and they spoke for 65 minutes, all they did was chide the congregation. He learned from that experience to have some control on testimonies. One of the things I was taught at a Bible College concerning a testimony is you should, stand-up, speak-up and shut up in 3 minutes or shorter. Maybe you should ask the pastor why he didn't let you testify.
---wivv on 7/22/08

"Elder read the statement by Stephanie you can get a better idea of pastors and their treatment of fellow Christians." Mima

I did read the statements made by her. I also know how many members treat Pastors.
Why don't these same people go to their company presidents and demand extra break/lunch times?
What makes anyone think they can stand and speak in a service anytime they want?
If as much time was spent praying about this as was writing against Pastors it would be different.
---Elder on 5/29/08

Robyn, he must have had a reason. Why don't you ask him/her? You'd get the truth, rather than asking us, who have no idea why. God bless you.
---deb on 5/28/08

He may be testing you to see if you have what it takes. That would mean it would be better not to ask him, just trust God. If you feel in your heart that there is some antipathy between you, then you are better off not attending that church, although who knows, if God wants to move him on, He can. Pray about it. Be patient. Forgive.
---frances008 on 5/28/08

Ask your pastor for counselling. Then say what you felt about being told you could not witness and try and find out why he refused you. If he refuses to counsel you, then go to another church and shake the dust off your feet.
---frances008 on 5/28/08

KarenD: Jesus was not exactly a peace maker.I never intentionally cause trouble where ever I go, but if it takes discord to bring peace and improvement.I am all for it.I am not unhappy at my church. The Spirit was moving on me and I wanted to share a testimony with the body of Christ.That day!We move with the Spirit not against it.
---Robyn on 5/28/08

Robyn, I want you to think of this, I don't know the facts and what your intend was, but the pastor has authority over the members. It does not mean he has authority over God, for if God wanted for you to speak for Him it would have happened. Too many times people want to do the work of God. The pastor is not in control of life or who will speak for God and who will not, after all God is in control as to who will be able to hear the gospel and come to Christ and who will not.
---Mark_V. on 5/23/08

#2. I am not saying that many pastors are not good, or that they are bad. But that God knows when and where He will bring His gospel to whom He desires to hear. After all the Spirit brings light to God's Word and gives the ears to hear and the eyes to see at the time He feel's is right. Not giving your testimony effected you, but in no way effects the works of God. You are hurt and if you feel that is not a place for you, you should find a place where you feel that God wants you.
---Mark_V. on 5/23/08

I would have took him aside in private and asked what was up. He has no right on who can testify and who can't. All should be allowed to talk about God and to brag on him at any given time. If your the type of person that when testifies, goes on and on and on, dragging out the service, then yeah I could see where he would not let you. I've heard people testify or talk in church, just to be heard. We don't know the reason as to why he done this. So if you don't ask him why, then you'll never know.
---Rebecca_D on 5/22/08

That doesn't seem right. BUT I dont know all the facts of the situation. The important thing is for you to remember to keep a forgiving and loving heart, and not to bear the pastor any ill will. :-)
---Todd1 on 5/22/08

Many that pretend to know God are wretchedly ignorant of Him. Those that are ignorant of Christ and who He really is, cannot have any right knowledge of God.>>>It is possible for those that are real enemies to God's service to pretend a mighty zeal for it. God's people have suffered the greatest hardships from conscientious persecutors.Those are very ignorant indeed of God and Christ that think it an acceptable piece of service to persecute good people. Good day++
---catherine on 5/22/08

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I agree that One should only testify if they have been asked to, during the time of testimonials...
Otherwise, one little wrong move could possibly stop one from coming to the Lord in the Church setting...And, they could use that as an excuse to not come to the Lord...Even a crying child could possibly cause a person being convicted, to wait for another time, to accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.
---Elisabeth on 5/22/08

Find a new Church to attend...
---Elisabeth on 5/21/08

Too many unctions of self during a service does not draw others, but actually causes others to leave. The pastor knows that, too.
Some of the best times are listening to God, remaining still without anyone doing or saying anything. The Holy Spirit can speak to each person individually and everyone receives - those at the altar and those in their seats.
---lisa on 5/7/08

If the pastor wants silence, order, don't be in oppositional defiance. Even a pastor's wife knows that honoring the position of the pastor is better than disrupting a service. Being sensitive to God's Holy Spirit is a gift, pastors are usually gifted with discernment.
---lisa on 5/7/08

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I don't suggest leaving the church. If it happens here, it will happen elsewhere.
This doesn't really sound like a shepherding church which can be very legalistic.
Maybe a personality conflict, but not a reason to leave. Enjoy all of the good things that keep you there, forgive the pastor and overlook what you think is wrong with his leadership.
---lisa on 5/7/08

I forgive pastors that have a heart for God. If they teach sound doctrine, not a cult, we can always overlook their ways of keeping believers from going astray. Border collies are smart sheepdogs. They nip at your heels, have eagle eyes, herd everyone into the pen. They hold the sheep there until the Master says it's alright for them to rest. When the Master arrives, He's in charge. When the gate is shut for good, you'll be glad you had a good sheepdog to keep you from going astray.
---lisa on 5/7/08

This is not remotely similiar to a Jim Jones outfit/cult.
But this is typical of most every church where members are allowed to share their testimony.
Pastors solve this by allowing testimonies on Sunday or Wednesday evenings. Those that enjoy giving/hearing testimonies attend. Those that do not enjoy them tend to avoid testimony services.
---lisa on 5/7/08

Every church has one or two that like to disrupt the service, week after week. The pastor has to maintain order in the church.
Members know those that use every opportunity to grab the mike, go on until other members start slipping out of the church. I've watched it happen.
If a pastor cannot maintain order, eventually there are some who will go where there is order in the church.
---lisa on 5/7/08

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The Holy Spirit used the pastor to put this altar call in place. The focus should have been completely on those at the altar.
Any distraction from those that have arrived, have salvation, could be enough to take the focus off of those souls in need of their Savior.
I have to agree with the pastor on this one.
---lisa on 5/7/08

When the Holy Spirit is moving, there are those who do take every opportunity and it can disrupt the move of the Holy Spirit.
What some interpret as an unction to do something, give a word of prophecy or testimony can be an unction of self and the need for attention.
The pastor knows that with experience. He knows what's of self and what is a genuine move of the Holy Spirit.
---lisa on 5/7/08

The order of the service is regulated by the pastor. These things should be discussed prior to the service beginning.
---CJ on 5/7/08

Stephanie ... I have never met a pastor who would agree with what your pastor said.

Find another church

But I have to say that a friend of mine, who found she had married a gay, and the marriage was not consumated, was told by a pastor that hse was still bound to him as her husband.
---alan_of_UK on 5/7/08

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Robyn...To interupt an altar call is out of line. Perhaps there was someone in that line who was not a Christian and the pastor needed to pray for that person. Which would be more important your getting to speak or that persons soul? I can't understand why you would remain in a church where you are obviously unhappy. Or are you just there to cause discord?
---KarenD on 5/7/08

It's not the norm (notice I didn't say it wasn't right) for someone to be able to just take the floor now, less tolerant scheduling than 1st century churches. "time is money" not that it should matter, but it does to some.
For a church to just allocate time could be construed as inconsiderate, the schedule of the service has to take president over each person's personal agenda.
Unless the church is in the practice of giving the floor to anyone anytime, you should expect what you received.
---pharisee on 5/7/08

I am confused!
---Stephanie on 5/6/08

Don't be, it's not right to say one bond of marriage is more binding than another.
What's done is done, and even if it was right for you to return (it's not) were given grace in Jesus Christ, set free to be who we are NOW in a blessed union with God.

Salvation? See Romans 10:9-13
Stay away from churches with regulations who add requirements to the grace of our Lord.
---pharisee on 5/7/08

Thanks for the clarification and support, John and Rita. I searched to find scripture that would help but could not locate. Have not been back to church since this incident, which occurred 5 years ago. I live daily with Christ in my heart and hope that when I pray for guidance and forgiveness, He will provide it. I would love to have guidance from people more versed on the subject than myself, but now I feel like they might be objects I am putting between myself and God. I will keep praying...
---Stephanie on 5/7/08

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Elder if you will read the statement made by---Stephanie perhaps you can get a better idea of pastors and their treatment of fellow Christians.
---Mima on 5/7/08

Many different people from all backgrounds, Baptist, Lutherans, Pentecostal, discuss with me what their pastor has said to them. And I find it very hard to offer any support for the pastor's statement in the majority of cases. In fact, I consider most pastors guilty of the deeds of the nicolaitanes. The definition of which is" to lord it over the people".
---Mima on 5/7/08

Stephanie, the bible says exactly the opposite to what your pastor is telling you. If you have been divorced and remarried scripture says you must not return to your former husband. It is only if there has been no marriage inbetween that this is permitted.
---RitaH on 5/7/08


Unfortunately, that kind of argument can work both ways: if something impedes us, it could be God protecting us from doing something he doesn't want, or Satan preventing us from doing something God wants.

If things go smoothly, it could be God blessing our walk along the right path, or it could be Satan greasing the slide.

Except in hindsight, we can't really tell which case is which, so we can't tell the rightness of the path by seeing how rough it is.
---StrongAxe on 5/7/08

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I have been with pastors who I grew to respect less and less, because they seemed to be into image and comparing their church with other Christians, like they were better than other Christians, it could seem > though it says, "nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock." (1 Peter 5:3) But I was there because of my capability to be led by the LORD (o: I needed to become more real in love and humble, myself (o: Now I still do (o: > see part 2 >
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/7/08

(o: part 2 > "For the time has come for judgment to begin at the house of God, and if it begins with us


what will be the end of those who do not obey the gospel of God?" (1 Peter 4:17)

So, the ones who are *right* get judged "first", then ? (o: So, why do I have my way of being so fast to criticize and judge the other person, "first", when I get in a problem with someone ? (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/7/08

Stephanie. To leave your husband now and go back to your first one is not Scriptural advice. Stay put where you are. You are saved if you believe in Jesus.
---john on 5/6/08

Many answers are very supportive of the pastor's actions. Once there was a similar case where the people were very supportive of the pastor's actions. The name of the pastor Jones!!!!!!!
---Mima on 5/6/08
Mima maybe you should complete this "message." The people at Jones Town did not have bibles.
This sounds like you are against supporting the Pastor but for anyone who may stand and disrupt the service.
It clearly shows that you don't have all the details to either story.
---Elder on 5/6/08

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I am new in Christ and I am trying very hard to understand where He wants me to be. I went to a local church to get established with a group of Christians. Second visit, the pastor spoke with me and told me that in order to be saved, I would have to leave my second husband (a happy marriage with children) and go back to my first, or live the rest of my life alone. This is not possible on many levels and I refuse to believe there is no hope for me, as he put it...I am confused!
---Stephanie on 5/6/08

Danelle, is there a reason it has to be the Pastor who prays for you? Isn't it possible to find just one spirit-filled sister in the Lord within that body who can do that? A lot of Pastors keep a measure of distance from female members simply because of the appearance of evil. Some of them have been burned before. I know it was only a phone call but even phone calls can be called into question these days. All it takes is one rumor to totally destroy a minister and the ministry.
---Linda on 5/6/08

I have made phone calls to my pastor, particularly regarding ministry. But prayer requests and any personal issue are taken up with his wife or a trusted sister in the Lord. Just that one little guard can save a great deal of heartache later on. Pastors can also be very busy in the ministry. This really isn't worth being offended over. Surely there is one person who is like-minded with the pastor who can hear you out in confidence and commit to praying for you.
---Linda on 5/6/08

Many answers are very supportive of the pastor's actions. Once there was a similar case where the people were very supportive of the pastor's actions. The name of the pastor Jones!!!!!!!
---Mima on 5/6/08

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I totally agree with Bill. Our approved worth is known by the testing of our faith. Initiated by the Holy Ghost and carried out through those who have rule over you, we fail the test through offense and insubordination. Even if you believe he had missed God terribly, shouldn't you have prayed for him and covered him instead? Love would. Would you have posted this blog if he were sitting next to you while you typed or if you knew he visited this site often?
---Linda on 5/6/08

If not, then that is a relationship problem and possibly the reason you didn't get the opportunity you thought you should have had. We don't obey in their presence only but much more in their absence. Sowing to the flesh reaps corruption and "flesh" can also be defined as the unwillingness to defer to another and humble yourself. In other words, "Pride".
---Linda on 5/6/08

You may be thinking, "What does she know?", but let me tell you, I do know, and that by experience. Spent two years in that place, the Holy Spirit dealing with my attitude, not my Pastor's. I can now be brutally honest about that whole period of time now that godly sorrow has worked repentance without regret. I have also been sensitized to that "spirit" and recongnize it very quickly.
---Linda on 5/6/08

If you are interested in that testimony, I would be more than glad to share it with you. May have been rough during that 2 years but the restoration is incredible. Too bad I had to learn the hard way and if I can say one thing that will keep someone else out of that hell, I will say it. Sin, even in attitude, will take you further than you want to go and keep you longer than you want to stay.
---Linda on 5/6/08

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My thoughts on why I was refused to testify: It was an altar call. Quite a few in line. I normally don't speak in church but wanted to share a personal testimony. While in the line I was filled with the Spirit.I did want prayer ,as well, but reached for the mike to speak,when my turn came. Pastor refused,put me to the side)to speak to someone else).I was told the timing was not right. I thought the time was perfect.When the Holy Ghost is moving ,the time is always right.They continued on with altar call.
---Robyn on 5/6/08

This was not the first time I have had a problem with this church. The pastor is very controlling and selfish. He has to have total control over everything and everybody. I have been there several yrs now. I have mostly overlooked this and continue to come to the church but I know this type behaviour is not of God. We are responsible to God to grow and mature according to the Word of God.We are not to sit under false teachers and preachers and allow them to rule and depress our lives.
---Robyn on 5/6/08

Bloggers please forgive me for too many posts but sometimes the 85 word limit is just not enough.This has been said so many times. This question is one of those times.
This is a serious question that deserves serious and godly answers.
My concern is also this: what if I had been a baby christian? A young lamb? This person would leave the church and probably never go to church again. These so-called leaders need to be responsible for their actions.
---Robyn on 5/6/08

How many know someone in their church, everytime they stand up to give their testimony, it's more dramatic, more tragic every time they share it. Others begin to dread what they will hear this week because it's all about self.

Testimonies should not be a continuing drama or saga about self. A good pastor teaches the sheep that our testimony of Jesus Christ reflects back to Jesus and not a focus only on self.
This is one reason that pastors have to wave a person to sit back down.
---lisa on 5/6/08

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There are serial testifiers that will use any opportunity to stand up and take over a meeting, as with rogue prophets.
Testimonies that continue on for 30 minutes, cutting into the pastor's time to give the Word. The Word that people came to hear. A pastor has to balance and discern what's best for all. A good pastor cannot let someone take the reigns and run over the top of the church. Testimonies are one area that can get out of hand when several people would all like to share at one time.
---lisa on 5/6/08

Just a side story, Last Sunday A Christian friend of mine went to hear a special speaker in a certain church. While there my friend had a conversation with one of the more prominent pastors in this community. Whom my friend said did not impress him . No, I said to my friend you were not impressed because in my opinion, your spirituality is much greater than his. When we have a leadership position, held by a person without any discernment, we have little problems.
---Mima on 5/6/08

Since nothing happens to us that is outside of God's providence, did it ever occur to you that maybe God did NOT want you to give your testimony at that time?
---kumquat on 5/6/08

I dont know why they would refuse your testimony. Maybe timeline? For those who were refused their messages returned, Consider how important it is to your spiritual growth that you get in touch with this person or you can let it shake off like dust or ask someone else with more time and possibly more manners.
---Nicola on 5/6/08

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I consider a real pastor to be one who is in authority to rule me, as one through whom the Lord Jesus the Head of the church will direct me. But, of course > "Test all things, hold fast what is good." (1 Thessalonians 5:21) I must make sure of if the pastor is right (o: I am accountable (o: And Jesus may have a pastor TEST my obedience. He might have been testing how obedient you are (o: How well did you score on the obedience test, Robyn (o: 2 Corinthians 2:9
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/5/08

To the person who said he was very discouraged with his church, allow me to say that I am also. Three times, I have left messages on his phone, and three times, he has refused to return my calls.I know for sure that he has to be home some of the time. I was actually calling for prayer. also for info beause I had a question. I became discouraged and have not returned. I wonder if thishas happened to anyone else who blogs here?
---Danelle on 5/5/08

I would not take it personally. Maybe he just did not have the time. I would be interested in more details. Testimonies can sometimes get out of hand, and certain people may not be capable of giving a testimony that glorifies God. Anyway, humiliation is good for you if you take it with a good attitude and do not bear him any ill will.
---frances08 on 5/5/08

Testimonies are good but the Bible says everything is to be done decently and in order in church services. Perhaps you were out of order. Many churches have one Sunday evening service a month or every few months they take to share testimonies,that works well. The Pastor's sermon is given to him to bring to people and it's no more correct to break into that move of God than when the Gifts of the Spirit are in operation. Think ,if you hadn't ask in front of crowd,wouldn't have been refused in front.
---Darlene_1 on 5/5/08

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Can you show me in the Bible where people stood up to give testimonies in services?
---kumquat on 5/5/08

Robyn . . . you can share what your testimony was HERE . . . so we can read what you were going to share (o: In THIS blog, please.

If you have a Christian relationship with him, you have trust together, and so you could trust him about his choice. But if you don't even have trust together, and you just *expect* him to do what you think he should do . . . this is not being in a personal relationship of love. I'm here to OFFER what I have to pastors, not to force it.
---Bill_bila5659 on 5/5/08

The Pastor is the one who decides what can be permitted during the church service. I've been in several similar church situations and learned from them. You just have to be "flexible". Maybe there was a good reason why you were refused, or a simple mistake, like fogetfulness.

If you have problems with things, approach the Pastor privately and discuss "why" you feel like you do. The problem could well be with yourself or with the church. Communication is the best tool.
---Augie on 5/5/08

We have seen this happen many times in church. It is usually because the person who wants to testify has a history of giving testimonies that are so long and drawn out that it appears the person just wanted people to hear them talk. Rarely does a pastor refuse a testimony from someone he knows is living a truly Christian life. We have seen people who were living in outright sin try to give testimonies. The best testimony is your Christian walk.
---KarenD on 5/5/08

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Pastors are responsible for keeping order in the church.
If you were out of order, it was proper and correct for him to maintain the order.

Testifying, prophesying, or wanting to make an announcement - the Holy Spirit is not rude, disorderly or disruptive.
---lisa on 5/5/08

Pastors are also responsible for not allowing a stranger come into the church and devour the sheep.
Many rogue prophets often make a habit of visiting churches, standing up and prophesying false prophecies over the congregations. The pastor has the responsibility of shutting that person down.
---lisa on 5/5/08

If the pastor led of the Holy Spirit, in charge of the sheep, he knows what should happen next. May not have been appropriate time for testimonies, a song, etc. God may have told the pastor it was time for the Word to come forth.
---lisa on 5/5/08

I have two thoughts.
1. Did you approach him before the service or just "Pop" your desire at him out of the "blue?"
2. Next why are you asking strangers this question? Have you spoke to him?
God put him in charge and now you are challenging his authority and Gods also. I am sure there is more to this than you have told. You feel offended because you weren't allowed to do as you pleased. God was probably not in it. If He was the pastor would have allowed it.
---Elder on 5/5/08

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[I will be Praying for your Pastor! He will have to answer to God for what he did!

Ruby what was wrong with what this pastor did? (Hint: Nothing.)
What makes anyone think that a person can just speak in a service when they want to?
Next, I notice anytime a complaint is made against a Pastor a "Special Group" is ready to stone him. You make it sound like he did something wrong.
Yea... Pastor you did the right thing!! I understand now why you didn't allow her to speak.
---Elder on 5/5/08

I have been called down before BY FALSE PREACHERS. These people do not like strong testimonies. God put me there. Well, it's the truth.>>>Note: preachers, the trues and the [false] for sure, are not God's gift to the ministry. What goes up can come down. If someone wants the floor, if they are called by God to speak, they should speak. Preacher can rest. SIT..And don't quote scripture about order unless you have done some digging on that subject.
---catherine on 5/5/08

Robyn, go to him and tell him what you wanted to testify about. Talk to him ahead of time. You said Pastor refused you. Did he say, "Put your hand down," or "Robyn, I can't take your testimony today." We have to be careful of our words. Maybe he didn't refuse you, maybe he felt there wasn't enough time or that he didn't know what it was about and wanted to find out ahead of time. Go talk to him - tell him what you wanted to talk about. There's always next time at church, amen?
---donna8365 on 5/5/08

For everything there is a time and a season. There may not have been enough time in the service for you to give your testimony and I am sure you will be given another opportunity.
---Heather on 5/5/08

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Was this the church where you are a member or regularly attend? Was the service one where people usually do testify? I find it strange that a pastor would deny a Christian (known to him) the opportunity to testify but there can be valid reasons for doing this if the person is totally unknown or possibly known to attend a church where there are serious differences in belief. Did he give you a reason for denying you this opportunity? You deserve an explanation at the very least.
---RitaH on 5/5/08

I will be Praying for your Pastor! He will have to answer to God for what he did!
---Ruby on 5/5/08

I've done that before without knowing it. A person had their hand up and I didn't see it. They thought I was ignoring them and got offended.
I have done it on purpose at times when I didn't feel like hearing the weather report or how much it cost to fill the gas tank. Some people don't edify the Church and are not called upon because of it. I don't know your situation but if you are offended please talk to the pastor as this would be the Scriptural thing to do.
---john on 5/4/08

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