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Pastoral Collar In Public

At dinner with my wife yesterday we saw a man with a pastoral collar on. What are the reasons, a pastor would wear his pastoral collar to a public restaurant? Got any ideas?

Moderator - Few changes of outfits ie some Priests or to get special attention or treatment.

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Who puts their faith in a collar? Usually the clerical collar belongs to a Roman Catholic or Episcopal priest. Not a few Catholics and Episcopalians rightly place their faith in Jesus Christ.
I've noticed that even televangelists now sometimes wear a clerical collar...and they usually are not under the authority of ANY church. The clerical collar is not a reliable indicator of anything, these days.
---Donna66 on 10/31/09


There is a big difference between the tee- shirt-wearing layman and the collar-wearing clergyman. The tee shirts usually "advertise" the Gospel. The clerical collar says nothing more than that the wearer is a bona fide "man of the cloth". The tee-shirt-wearer will delight in discussing religion with you. The clergyman, like most people, values his privacy...but if a clergyman is needed for any reason...he is there.
---Donna66 on 10/31/09

What was I thinking.
Jesus and the Apostles wore their phylacteries, and enlarged the borders of their garments,
......
Not. Not before.....not after.

Someone that puts their trust in a collar....does not trust or believe scripture.
Heb 8:10.
---Trav on 10/31/09


I haven't seen you around, Ignatius. Welcome back.

I also agree with Jody and Ignatius both their comments are well said.
---Rod4Him on 10/31/09


There is a big difference between the tee- shirt-wearing layman and the collar-wearing clergyman. The tee shirts usually "advertise" the Gospel. The clerical collar says nothing more than that the wearer is a bona fide "man of the cloth". The tee-shirt-wearer will delight in discussing religion with you. The clergyman, like most people, values his privacy...but if a clergyman is needed for any reason...he is there.
---Donna66 on 10/31/09


"I have also noticed that people who wear JESUS t-shirts, crosses, or with bumper-stickers sometimes act in very unloving ways. They seem to forget what their "signs" represent and could be a stumbling block for the weak. If we wear the t-shirt or "collar", then we better remember to be Christ-Like. "Putting on Christ" is more than a title, collar or other symbol but rather an attitude of LOVE." (Jody)

Amen! It is not what you wear, but HOW you live out the Gospel that matters.

In IC.XC.,
---Ignatius on 10/31/09




I have also noticed that people who wear JESUS t-shirts, crosses, or with bumper-stickers sometimes act in very unloving ways. They seem to forget what their "signs" represent and could be a stumbling block for the weak. If we wear the t-shirt or "collar", then we better remember to be Christ-Like. "Putting on Christ" is more than a title, collar or other symbol but rather an attitude of LOVE.
---jody3965 on 10/30/09


It looks like there is another Rob, I hope people will not confuse myself, who has been on this blog for some time, with the Rob who wears a collar. I do not nor have I ever worn one.
---Rob on 10/30/09


Greetings Rob,

For what it is worth, Trav is right with a great illustration.

The Holy Spirit and the love of Christ is my "collar."

If you are relying on your collar you might think about putting a collar, Christ, on your heart. Although what you say sounds admirable with self effort, Christ should fill your heart.

Your attitude has a bit of self righteousness in it, "every person who sees me." Do we do our good works to be seen of men?

So others who do not wear a collar are not quite as righteous as you?
---Rod4Him on 10/29/09


For me, it's a matter of self-discipline and has deepened my faith and my sense of servanthood to The Kingdom.
---Rob on 10/27/09

Sometimes.....
Matthew 23:5
But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
But then......
Dogs wear collars so their owners can be accountable or returned too...so why not.

Now my dog doesn't run away so I don't have a collar on him. He is obedient (14) years....knows who feeds him/loves him and he reciprocates.....basically just by barking at possums/raccoons/fox.
He will kill a snake though...on command. So he has a lifetime home and benefits....outside the house.
---Trav on 10/28/09


Greetings all!
For what it's worth, I don't wear my collar for anyone other than myself. It's my system of accountability. When I'm wearing my collar I cannot forget my vocation and who I work for. There are many times I'd rather just blend in with the crowd, but the collar holds me accountable to every person who sees me. Just like a Christian can't temporarily suspend their faith, clergy don't have days off (although there are days I don't work) -- serving God is my vocation and my calling and I wear the collar to constantly remind myself of that. For me, it's a matter of self-discipline and has deepened my faith and my sense of servanthood to The Kingdom.
---Rob on 10/27/09




Frances008, what is it with the Jesuits order? I am really asking with concern.
Because, I have seen some jerk Jesuits and some good,godly men. One of them hosts a show on EWTN = EWTN LIVE.
---Nicole on 5/24/08


1.
I used to be a Dominican nun wearing a habit. I only state this so that you understand why I know the answer to why a Priest is wearing his collar in public. When you are a Priest/Nun you are consecrated to God. Their whole purpose of living is only for God. Everyone has to know that they belonging to Him. A Visible Witness. That's why Nuns were the habit. The Vatican never told nuns to take off their habits only to modified the habit. Why? because the public won't be able to tell she is a nun.
---Nicole on 5/24/08


2.
Believe it or not there are hundreds of Priest not wearing the collar in public. The Vatican constantly reminds them to wear the collar so they are a visible witness Priests wearing the collar are obedient. No choice. Most don't because people do bother them. You won't believe the requests people asked. Pick up clothes from cleaners, food arrands, change light bulb,etc. The priest is for the people, but they have more important stuff. In Acts, Deacons took care of social issues/Priest things of God.
---Nicole on 5/24/08


3.
Finally,I tell the reasons of the collar. Accidents occurs often in public.If someone is dying and a priest is walking by, people know to get him to the accident site. The dying person might need Last Rites or confession heard. Someone just need to asked the Priest to hear a urgent confession esp for grave sins.Someone made be suicidal and need consolation.They may be hungry and need something to eat. They feel more comfortable asking a priest indeed of a stranger.
NO WANTING SPECIAL ATTENTION.
---Nicole on 5/24/08


Don't judge by appearances. Anyone can dress the part. Some of them are genuine people. I don't care whether or not anyone wears a collar in public. In a sense they are witnessing to Jesus Christ so I respect that. Jesuits rarely wear their uniform, and that is how they can infiltrate anywhere and never be known as priests.
---frances008 on 5/23/08


Edit. Jesuits would wear their clerical clothes (black) in Italy, especially the Vatican area, but not likely outside, because like the CIA they have to work in cognito or they are not much good, except for the front men, who are probably genuine Christians.
---frances008 on 5/23/08


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Rob these are not 'things of God'. These are human beings who have a choice of what they wear. I won't call them right or wrong, its simply none of my business and I don't care what they wear. If what they wear is 'wrong' let them hash it out with God.
---NVBarbara on 5/23/08


WHO CARES? Apparently Jesus cares since her spoke against things like this.

WHO CARES? This goes all the way back to the Garden of Eden, when Adam and Eve could cares less about what God said, and chose to believe and follow Satan.

We are in the state we are in today, because there are too many people, that when it comes to the things of God, they say WHO CARES?
---Rob on 5/23/08


I agree with the moderator as to why...and Barbara as to "who cares"
---Todd1 on 5/21/08


Hmmm...who really cares?
---NVBarbara on 5/21/08


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Rita H ... We are in agreement.
---alan_of_UK on 5/13/08


Alan, "But why should they mot wear their pastoral garb when they are on duty, if they wish to." I think you are asking the wrong person here Alan, I haven't said that they should not. It is when they are NOT on duty that I feel they shouldn't. I repeat my point that the reason most are on duty all the time is because they remain in uniform all the time, therefore people expect them to be on duty. If they get no time off it's their own fault in those circumstances.
---RitaH on 5/13/08


If anyone knows, can I get an answer to when, where, why, and by whom, this thing of wearing "pastoral collars" came about?

The reason I am asking is because I do not know the answer.
---Rob on 5/13/08


RitaH .. O ourse pastors should ave day off, and holidays, and rhey should not wear thier "uniform" then, nor necessarily at all times when they are on duty.
But why should they mot wear their pastoral garb when they are on duty, if they wish to.
The accusations of wrong motive here are unjustified in most cases.
---alan_of_UK on 5/11/08


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What is it about the collar that bothers you so much, are you jealous?
After all, he could have been attending a pastor's conference, finished conducting a wedding. It's ridiculous to worry about such a trivial thing at a restaurant. Be glad you didn't have to fix the meal and be happy.
---Willow on 5/9/08


Yes Alan, "Most of the time clergy are doing their "job"" but only because many of them never take off their 'uniform'. If they did they wouldn't have to complain that they never get a day off. God took the seventh day off!! They should take at least one in seven for their own health's sake and for their families. How would a congregation cope if their minister had a sudden heart attack, when they have been used to him being available 24/7?
---RitaH on 5/9/08


Most pastors are never off duty.
---alan_of_UK on 5/9/08


I believe the moderator. I can not help but to wonder how God feels about this sort of thing. I want to please God so much.
---catherine on 5/9/08


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I know in the Old Testament, the High Priest would wear special garments once a year when they went into the Holy of Holies, to present a sacrifice to God for the sins of the people. Christ is now the High Priest.

I am still curious about when, where, why, and by whom, this thing about wearing "pastoral collars" began.
---Rob on 5/8/08


There are a number of valid reasons a pastor may wear a patoral collar. One, as a public witness - he will have to conduct himself correctley. Two a person may feel free to apporach him if they have a specific problem they want to discuss and would feel more open with a stranger. Three, his church may require it.
---wivv on 5/8/08


Kumquat, Hesidic Jews don't wear clerical collars, but their clothes do make them look different than others. Ministers are always 'on duty', but they are not required to wear a clerical collar all the time, not even Catholic priests.
---NVBarbara on 5/8/08


"I saw an off duty policeman wearing his uniform with his family" I think you must live somewhere other than U.K. because I am sure that would not be allowed here. I'd also want to know why an off-dury fireman would want to wear his uniform. What a strange idea.
---RitaH on 5/8/08


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Karen, I was with them and they were on a Catholic pilgrimige with me. But you are correct....they may have been requesting special food.. .However the meal looked exactly the same as far as I recall. Also, to the flight crew, they were Catholic priests because it was a package tour.
---frances008 on 5/7/08


I saw an off duty policeman wearing his uniform with his family, an off duty fireman, off duty military recruiter, off duty park ranger, off duty Howdy Doody Man wearing a Big Bird costume, it's no big deal.
Would you like to wear a collar?
---lisa on 5/7/08


I think I saw Pastor Ted (BBC) in a diner one night and he was 3 sheets in the wind. The black suit was dirty, but the collar was glowing.
What's the difference? leave the man alone.
---brother on 5/7/08


It could also be that they were asked to be served last.
---pharisee on 5/7/08


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RitaH ... Most of the time clergy are doing their "job"
---alan_of_UK on 5/7/08


" Frances008...It is very possible that the men were not priests, but Rabbis, and their meals had to be kosher. That would explain their meals being served separate."

Rabbis do not wear clerical collars.
---kumquat on 5/7/08


"
I don't believe pastoral collars or special uniforms for ministers is Biblical."


Obviously, you've not read the detailed descriptions for the priestly vestments given in the Bible.

Revivals and Sunday Schools are not Biblical, either.
---kumquat on 5/7/08


KarenD Then I guess that you dont condone people wearing a cross around their neck or putting bumper stickers on their cars.
---randy on 5/7/08


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Frances008...It is very possible that the men were not priests, but Rabbis, and their meals had to be kosher. That would explain their meals being served separate.
---KarenD on 5/7/08


I don't believe pastoral collars or special uniforms for ministers is Biblical. We are supposed to do good deeds without anyone knowing about them. We aren't supposed to proclaim what we are doing as our rewards should be in heaven and not here on earth.
---KarenD on 5/7/08


1. The collar is not a visual statement of his faith, it is a visual statement of his job. However, it is possible that he was about to go, or had just been, to visit a church member in hospital or to discuss wedding plans with a couple etc. I disagree with clergymen (whatever their denomination) wearing their 'uniform' in public, unless it is linked to something they have just done, or are about to do, in connection with their work.
---RitaH on 5/7/08


2. Contrary to popular belief clergymen are allowed days off - usually 2 a week but these are often hi-jacked by church members. They would be more likely to secure their time off if they made it clear that 'today is MY day off' and wore civvies. They could not be called upon if they were on holiday abroad so why should it be different if they are off duty in the next town (or even their own street)?
---RitaH on 5/7/08


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I don't wear one myself and there is no instruction to in the NT. But in the OT. the Lord ordered those who ministered in the temple to wear special clothing so their authority and responsibilities could be recognized. There is nothing wrong with it even though it may look strange.
---john on 5/6/08


I was on a flight internally in Yugoslavia and next to two priests. The attendants served everyone's meal but left them out. When all the others had finished , these priests (in clerical clothing) meals were brought. I was embarrassed eating my meal before them.
---frances008 on 5/6/08


Rob, I know what you are saying. I kinda agree with you and Mima but where does Scripture say a minister is to wear a two or three piece suit and tie? Of course no where.
Mima did you wear what you wanted to the restaurant?
Let's not get caught up in eating the lamb before the lion gets it. Just protect what we have.
---Elder on 5/6/08


Please note that other denominations wear collars in addition to Priests. Some Priests I have known truly don't have many other outfits or cloths and the collar is their most common clothing.
---Moderator on 5/6/08


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Maybe the Priest had some official duties to attend to right after the meal.

People can wear anything to a public restaurant. As long as their clothing isn't "offensive" in some way, I wouldn't get upset over what other people wear.
---Augie on 5/6/08


Where in the Bible do you find anything that a person is to wear a "pastoral collar"?

Does this come from the traditions and religions created by men which are contrary to scripture?

What did Jesus Himself have to say about things like this? Mathew Chapter 23.
---Rob on 5/6/08


Mima ... Why should the pastor not make a visual statement of his faith?
---a on 5/6/08


I agree wholeheartedly with the moderator. He was seeking attention or special treatment. This is why persons in authority need to stay in prayer and to learn humility so badly. Wearing collars,robes etc...makes one feel more superior to others. It is only an illusion. They are no better than others. Most of the time they are infidels and not even worthy to wear the collars.
---Robyn on 5/6/08


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As one old wise woman said on this matter, how do you know who the policeman or nurse is unless he has on the proper uniform?

And when is a clergyman NOT on duty?
---kumquat on 5/6/08


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