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Are You Part Of God's Remnant

How does one know they are part of the remnant that God is calling out and showing signs and wonders too? If you haven't heard, there are ministries who are walking in the Glory of God. So how do we know we're part of God's end time remnant?

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Romans 1:5: "By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:"
---Nana on 3/4/09


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Christ IS OUR LIFE..the Mystery is CHRIST IN YOU. Jesus Christ is NOT a set of rules of do's and don'ts.
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then you must have a case of blindness when you overlook all the passages that tell TRUE Christians OBEY Christ

to obey someone there are RULES

...the wind, sea, ministers of Satan, Satan, and all of creation OBEY Christ EXCEPT those who believe they are better not needing to obey

self professing christians who choose to ignore Christ doing as they please while they profess Christ on their lips

Christ tells these self professing christians they are FAR from Him and he will ignore them Matt 7:23
---Rhonda on 9/13/08


If we believe in God and Jesus for Salvation, we are part of the remnant. There are others who also belong to the remnant, who do not understand this simple fact, but it doesn't mean they are lost (IMO). In the End Times I think you will find in Matthew 24/25 that the Signs and Wonders are lying ones that are done by the antichrist and his followers. We are given instructions there as to how to behave - head for the hills, don't go home to collect anything etc. Please read these important Chapters as I may have the order of events wrong.
---frances008 on 9/12/08


I believe each and every Christian living today is part of the remnant.For I firmly believe we're in the end times.
---shirley on 9/10/08


Gina7,
Do a Google search for these keywords between quotes "pbministries,org/books/pink/Hebrews/hebrews". You should find a work by A.W. Pink tittled "An Exposition of Hebrews" were he goes at lenght on the subject of Apostacy. Your stance and his are in agreement. I had made a comment on Hebrews 12:14_17 which was ridiculed as:

"Did you check the story of Hebrews? No truth in it." _____ on 9/13/07

Yet the writter agrees with my say and not with whom called it untrue.
Do at least check out Chapter 52 Apostacy, Hebrews 10:25_27 and Chapter 96 A Warning Against Apostacy, Hebrews 12:16,17 and let me know what you think.
---Nana on 8/18/08




Ye shall know them, by the fruit they produce.
---Gayla on 8/17/08


Gina, True saving faith comes from God. Faith itself everyone has, but that faith is not on Christ when a person is lost. Your interpretation of Hebrews 10:26 is also wrong. You assume that those who had received the knowledge of the truth were saved to begin with. No one is saved by receiving the knowledge of the Truth. You can see that in every Church. The Pharisees had the knowledge also and were not saved. This passages are a warning concerning apostasy. It deals with the sin of apostasy, an intentional falling away, or defection. Apostates are those who move towards Christ, hear and understand His gospel and are on the verse of saving belief, but then rebel and turn away. Their punishment is worse then those who never hear the Word of God.
---Mark_V. on 8/17/08


Are we Jews part of G-d's remnant? Do we have to become Christians to be right with G-d?
---bernie_cohen on 8/16/08


What you are saying is that "never" does not mean never, and his laws in your heart really only stay in our hearts temporary, and the love of Christ is really not love.
---Mark_V. 8/12/08

No, not at all. God does not take away our power of choice. Backsliders are real, and they do exist. Even after experiencing the Love of Christ! I know, it should not happen. But look at Adam and Eve. They walked with God in the Garden of Eden, spoke to Christ face to face, and yet they backslid and sinned! Was the love of God not written in their hearts? I think it was, but they disobeyed God by choice, coveted the forbidden fruit, put another God before Christ...and broke the 1st/10th commandment. Sin is the problem
---Gina7 on 8/15/08


Then you say, "after that we received the knowledge of the Truth". receiving the knowledge of the truth does not save anyone. The Pharisees had it, and had no salvation.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/08

I did not say this, the Bible says this. Hebrews 10:26,27. Was the writer of Hebrews speaking to the Pharisees? Or was he speaking to the newly converted Christians the letter of Hebrews was addressing? You know the answer, the newly converted Christians, and he was addressing a problem of backsliding and being lost. If it was not a possibility, he would not have warned them against it.
---Gina7 on 8/15/08




"Faith has become merely an intellectual exercise. Instead of calling men and women to surrender to Christ, modern evangelism asks them only to accept some basic facts about Him. A person can believe without obeying. Thus faith is robbed of any moral significance, and righteousness becomes optional."
By John MacArthur in Getting The Gospel Right.
---Nana on 8/15/08


You will know them by their fruits. Revelation 3:5 states HE will blot you out of the Book of Life if you do not endureth to the end...this means repent and stop this foolish folly of permanently saved born again rubbish speak. Love and Repentance are the Keys to the Kingdom of Heaven.

Listen to what the Spirit has to say!
---Friend_OF_God on 8/14/08


Lee, maybe this will help our friends here.


Acts 17:27-29

27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:

28For in him we live, and move, and have our being, as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

29Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/08


Kathr - Totally agree and we may add that Christ Jesus has become OUR righteousness.

1 Cor. 1:30 He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom and our righteousness and sanctification and redemption.

So on our behalf in fulfilling the law entirely, He became our righteousness. This is the doctrine of imputed righteousness that our Roman Catholic & Sabbaterians friends have so many problems with.
---Lee1538 on 8/14/08


****This has been a major problem with Sabbaterians in that they sort through the OT and then cherry pick certain laws to the church, failing to realize that the church is not under the Old Covenant laws but only under the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21, Gal. 6:2).*****

AMEN Lee,

Christ IS OUR LIFE..the Mystery is CHRIST IN YOU. Jesus Christ is NOT a set of rules of do's and don'ts.

We live by the Faith of Christ...and Galatians 2:20 & 21 state...no longer I but Christ in me...it doesn't say...no longer I but a set of rules in me.

There was no LAW new/old stating we identify in death and resurrection Life with Christ, the Fellowship of HIS SUFFERING or that We press on to the High Calling of God in Christ.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/08


*Christ will never turn away anyone who comes to Him, and He will write His law upon our hearts so that we obey out of love for Him,"

As there are over 600+ laws in the OT, I would love to hear from Gina as to what laws God has written on the hearts of believers and what constitute the criteria of selection.

This has been a major problem with Sabbaterians in that they sort through the OT and then cherry pick certain laws to the church, failing to realize that the church is not under the Old Covenant laws but only under the law of Christ (1 Cor. 9:21, Gal. 6:2).
---Lee1538 on 8/13/08


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Gina7, You said, "Christ will never turn away anyone who comes to Him, and He will write His law upon our hearts so that we obey out of love for Him," "how is it possible for us to turn away from Christ? First you come to Him, then he never turns away, He then write His laws in our hearts so that we can obey out of love, how can they turn away? What you are saying is that "never" does not mean never, and his laws in your heart really only stay in our hearts temporary, and the love of Christ is really not love.
Then you say, "after that we received the knowledge of the Truth". receiving the knowledge of the truth does not save anyone. The Pharisees had it, and had no salvation.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/08


The person who is a legalist say, "I have achieved it, and God was happy with what I achieved" We say, "God did it in me, and I am grateful that He overruled my falleness to do it.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/08
But I do say God did it in me, including the ability the keep the Sabbath. God wrote His law in my heart (Hebrews 8:10), put a love for the Sabbath in my heart, and "I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me" Philippians 4:13. All things is all things, all 10 commandments. God gets all the glory and praise, because it is through His power that I overcome sin.
"To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne.." Rev 3:21
---Gina7 on 8/9/08


"God be mercyful to me a sinner" Salvation is not mine because I did anything worthy to get it, it's mine if God has mercy on me. And He said, that He will not cast out anyone who comes to Him.
--Mark_V. 8/5/08
What you say is very true and I agree. Christ will never turn away anyone who comes to Him, and He will write His law upon our hearts so that we obey out of Love for Him. However, if we then walk away from Christ, and sin, and do not repent and ask for forgiveness, then that person has cast their own selves out. "If we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation.." Hebrews 10:26,27
---Gina7 on 8/9/08


jaock - it is sad that you do not understand that the church is under the New Covenant and not the old Sinaitic covenant and that you stand in judgment of the saints of His church.

And there is virtually no command anywhere in the New Testament to observe the OT Sabbath.

If, however, you wish to observe the OT Sabbath, then go ahead as Romans 14:5-6 tells us that we may esteem one day over others or none at all.
---Lee1538 on 8/7/08


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there is no competitiveness when it comes to the Word of God..All you need to do is FOLLOW EXACTLY WOT IT SAYS..and thats wot commandment followers are doing..the Bible says: IF YOU LOVE ME, OBEY MY COMMANDS..and wot is wrong with that? Can you tell Christ to scrap His statement Lee?????all too often some humans twist things around to suit their liking instead of God's..follow Him..not man
---jaock on 8/7/08


Jesse_james - *Lee, get in behind satan..you so deceive faithful followers by your false teachings

I have been getting in beind Satan and kicking the daylights out of his followers.

Precisly what false teachings do I follow? The teaching that Jesus is the way, and the truth, and the life, that whomsoever believes in Him will have eternal life.

Or is it that you simply identify anyone that disagrees with you and has studied the Scripture in more detail, as a false teacher?
---Lee1538 on 8/6/08


Gina7, the difference between us is "Attitude" That's the difference between Catholics, SDA's who believe in works of the law and us who believe in salvation by the works of Christ on the Cross. It is a big difference.
We both know that we are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ. But Phil. 12,13 says, " Work out your salvation with fear and trembling," "For it is God who is at work in you." We say, God is working through us, and it's us working it out. The person who is a legalist say, "I have achieved it, and God was happy with what I achieved" We say, "God did it in me, and I am grateful that He overruled my falleness to do it.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/08


Gina7,
The attitude we display when we come before God is what is important. I know in my life I have to mortify sin, I have to work out my salvation, work what's on the inside on the outside in my conduct. And yet when its all done, He gets all the glory. The legalist takes the glory and offers it to God and expects God to be happy with his achievements. Just as the the rich man, or the pharisee who came to Christ. Just as the offers of Cain compared to Able. Christ purchased our liberty. We come before God as the publican, "God be mercyful to me a sinner" Salvation is not mine because I did anything worthy to get it, it's mine if God has mercy on me. And He said, that He will not cast out anyone who comes to Him.
---Mark_V. on 8/5/08


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This remnant belief reflects the competitiveness of some denominations.

Those that say we are the remnant of God because it is only we that observe the commandments, is much like those in the athletic arena that thinks their team is really the best around.

Frankly, I believe such people suffer from acute spiritual myopia.

In any case, they are very hard-pressed to justify their position from a scriptural standpoint.
---Lee1538 on 8/3/08


Gina ... There is a huge difference between "believe" and "having faith"
"Having faith" is "beleiving and trusting"

The devils may beleive in Jesus, but don't have faith in Him.

---alan_of_UK on 7/31/08

I agree. The 2nd chapter of James seems to get this point across, but it does use the word faith and states faith without works is dead then compares the devils who believe in Christ but who do not have corresponding works of obedience as being the same as those who claim to have faith but who fail to obey God. Those who do not keep the 10 commandments have the same belief as the devils... it is dead. "Faith without works is dead"
---Gina7 on 8/2/08


Nana, I said you said it because you quoted A. Pink, I even said that Arthur Pink was correct. And that that is what I felt I said. My head is not swollen as you say. As I said before I don't care to argue with you. I don't have time for your mind games, or praises as you call them. I have not witness one yet, 7/30 praise must have disappeared from the face of the earth, or, unless "you are Gina7" I do not need praises for it is God who deserves any credit for what He has taught me. I am not here to get glory for anything. You want to discuss Scripture then go for it.
---Mark_V. on 8/1/08


Gina7, without the Spirit to guide us and correct us, we are unable to do God's Work. In my answers the Holy Spirit gets credited for anything that is even good in us. Of ourselves we are as Lee said, "there is none righteous, no not one" and also said, "if we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us" We are doers only because of Christ. We abide only because of Christ. We are saved only because of Christ. We have faith only because of God. We deserve nothing. Not in our own works since to the believer the works are accomplish through the Spirit directing, teaching and convicting the believer. Without the Spirit we would be unable to do any good whatsoever in the name of the Lord.
---Mark_V. on 8/1/08


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MarkV,
I am not trying hard to discredit you, you are doing a fine job at that yourself. How do you read? "But when their "faith" be examined and tested, what is it worth?" are not my words. Apparently what a quote is just goes over yer head? It was Pink who said that, not me. I quoted that on account of what you said to Gina7, that perhaps you were not familiar with those quotes. Even I praised your blog of 7/30/08. Be it praise or reprove, nothing satisfies you. How do you move about with a brain so swelled? Do you wheel your head about in a grocery cart?
---Nana on 8/1/08


I believe I am a remnant of God's church..yes I am not righteous but made right by Christ..Yes I obey His commands..yes, I fall at times like all humans..just obey the word of God..not of man's and you will never go wrong..Lee, get in behind satan..you so deceive faithful followers by your false teachings
---jessie_james on 7/31/08


kathr = *All we can do is pray the Lord will open their eyes and take the veil away.

And I can see that the Lord is using the Internet and forums like this one to not only to expose these things but to help open their eyes to what the problems with their positions are.
---Lee1538 on 7/31/08


******Are Christians living today part of God's remnant? Any good student of the Bible can only find 3 references to the remnant in the Bible - Acts 15:17, Romans 9:27, & 11:5 and in all of those verse, the remnant refers to the Jews or their descendants. ****

Absolutely Lee, the Church is not a remnant. The Church is not leftovers of Israel in any way. However those who believe in replacement Theology, or in someway believe they re still under the Law of Moses believe themselves to be a remnant.

All we can do is pray the Lord will open their eyes and take the veil away. But it's only taken away IN CHRIST.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/08


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Gina ... There is a huge difference between "believe" and "having faith"
"Having faith" is "beleiving and trusting"

The devils may beleive in Jesus, but don't have faith in Him.

I believe (and I know it is true because I have seen the footage of it) that it is possible to float 30,000 feet in the air in a deck chair suspended on halogen-filled party balloons. But I would not trust such a contraption. I would not have faith in it.
---alan_of_UK on 7/31/08


Nana, you are trying hard to discredit me but in your attempts you allow more truth to come out and God allows those attempts by others to bring out His Word. You said, "But when their "faith" be examine and tested what is it worth?" I said the same thing. Faith without works is not saving faith. For true faith gives evidence by its works. What Arthur Pink said is very true. When it is tested and examined by human standards.

Our faith is not tested by God, He already knows who belongs to Him and who doesn't. The evidence is only to those who see the person and see what he does in his life. But it is not for God, for He is the one who gives that saving faith to those who are born again.
---Mark_V. on 7/31/08


MarkV,
"Alas, how many there are today who imagine that if they have "faith ,"it is sure to be well with them at the end, even though they are not holy. Under the pretense of honouring faith, Satan, as an angel of light, has deceived, and is still deceiving, multitudes of souls. But when their "faith" be examined and tested, what is it worth? Nothing at all so far as insuring an entrance into Heaven is concerned: it is a power-less, lifeless, and fruitless thing, it is nothing better than that faith which the demons have (James 2:19)".
A.W. Pink, The Doctrine of Sanctification
Gina7 I find said the "right" thing and so did you in your entry of 7/30/08.
---Nana on 7/31/08


Are Christians living today part of God's remnant? Any good student of the Bible can only find 3 references to the remnant in the Bible - Acts 15:17, Romans 9:27, & 11:5 and in all of those verse, the remnant refers to the Jews or their descendants.


Those that believe they are the remnant because they observe the law (even the 10 commandments) have been deceived by those who know neither the Scripture nor its Author.

Romans 3:10 As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

and

1Jo 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
---Lee1538 on 7/30/08


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Gena7, the passages in James should make it clear that just believing in something is not true saving faith. That when someone has true faith he will give evidence of that saving faith by his works. James 1:25 says, "But he who looks into the perfect law of liberty and continues in it, and is not forgetful hearer but a doer of the work, these one will be blessed in what he does." In both the O.T. and N.T. God's revealed, inerrant, sufficient, and comprehensive Word is called "law" Ps. 19:7. "Liberty" is genuine freedom from sin. As the Holy Spirit applies the principals of Scripture to believer's hearts, they are freed from sin's bondage and enabled to obey God (John 8:34-36). Those are doers.
---Mark_V. on 7/30/08


i don't remember anywhere in Scripture God giving the devil faith.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/08

Hi Mark,

My name is spelled Gina, not Gena.

The devil believes in Christ, but does not have any corresponding acts of obedience. This is what the Bible in James chapter 2 is stating. If belief is to the end of salvation, it will not be what the devil has, belief without obedience. Christians, we will have belief that results in obedience to God, and that is saving faith. Belief that does not result in obedience is dead. James chapter 2 of the Bible.. this is where I read it!
---Gina7 on 7/30/08


I don't believe we do know! I never think about it. I am just so very happy and amazed that God chosed me to live with Him throughout eternity. Did you know, the Saints who is in heaven will have no recolletion of their life down here. I am not too surprise. It's just that I read that, or came across it the other day. And good day to you.++
---catherine on 7/29/08


Gena7, you say the devils have faith in Christ? Are you serious? That means they believe and trust in Christ for their life's. How is that possible? Where in the world did you learn that from? It has to be from a cult religion. You better get youself a good Bible and read it again and ask the Holy Spirit for enlightment. You do believe the Holy Spirit is God right? The devil believes there is a Christ Gena, because he tempted Christ, but he didn't have faith in Christ. Saving faith comes from God when a person is reborn by the Spirit. And i don't remember anywhere in Scripture God giving the devil faith.
---Mark_V. on 7/28/08


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They just don't want to except that Grace through faith alone saves them.
---Mark_V. on 5/29/08
They probably don't accept it because of what the Bible says in James 2:

"Even so faith, if it hath not works, is DEAD, being alone" verse 17 Re-read that again: Faith alone is dead and worthless and will not save us. And why? Because the devils have faith as well, but they are not saved because they are not obedient to God and His Law

"Thou believest that there is 1 God, thou doest well, the devils also believe and tremble. But wilt thou know, O Vain Man, that faith without works is dead?" vs 19,20

"By works a man is justified, and not by faith only" vs 24
---Gina7 on 7/26/08


"Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not, whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him" 1 John 3:6

Sin is the transgression of the 10 commandments "Whoseover committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law" 1 John 3:4

One cannot call those who keep the 10 commandments legalistic and not trying to be saved by "faith" alone because the Bible does not teach that. Only the obedient are saved. Faith alone is debunked in James 2:17-26 as being dead and worthless because the devils also have faith, but they are not obedient to God. You have to be obedient and faithful to be saved.

Those obedient to all 10 commandments are a part of the remnant of God.
---Gina7 on 7/26/08


francis008, I am confused with your statement. Do you mean to say that when you are sinful the Holy Spirit does NOT really come into you? I am atempting to "Seek ye first the KOH AND His righteousness". Is there anything wrong with this?
---james on 6/5/08


James - *Are you telling me that we can go to heaven without being righteous or perfect? That the Holy Spirit dwells with people who keep sinning?

What does the scripture say?

1Ti 1:15 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I (the Apostle Paul)am the foremost.

If you depend upon your own sense of righteousness, then you do not need the Savior called Jesus.
---Lee1538 on 6/3/08


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The Holy Spirit comes on people who are sinners and realize their sinfulness and have a heart full of repentance. After the Holy Spirit REALLY comes on you, you no longer are the same person ever again. You might sin occasionally, or often, but you always repent immediately, are convicted immediately and ask forgiveness immediately in your heart. You realize your need for a Savior, which the self righteous do not.
---frances008 on 6/3/08


Yes, Todd1, you are right.

That's why the RCC teaches infant Baptism. Born again by water and Spirit John 3:5. The Grace of God comes to us first, and then we have the Graces to fight sin and choose God.

Salvation Starts with God and Ends with God. Only He can call us to Himself.

He is the Alpha and the Omega!
---Nicole on 6/3/08


I am trying to digest what you guys said. Here is what I have come up with. Are you telling me that we can go to heaven without being righteous or perfect? That the Holy Spirit dwells with people who keep sinning? That no one can be righteous/perfect w/o Christ? Or do you mean w/o doing what Christ said? If so, then what about this thing called "Sanctification"?
---james on 6/3/08


james, anyone who thinks we need to be righteous before we're saved hasn't read their Bible very well. Humans will never be righteous without the blood of Christ cleansing us and the Holy Spirit dwelling within. :-)
---Todd1 on 6/2/08


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Emcee, no one is perfect. Just because God commands us to do something does not mean we are, or can be perfect. Just because He commands us to not sin, does not mean we become people without sin in this life. Glorification is after death. We have the sin nature that is still in our flesh. All come short of the glory of God, if we could be perfect then God is wrong in His Word and there is many who not fall short of the glory of God. The Bible is not wrong, you are wrong.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/08


James, one can only be Righteous IN CHRIST....we are partakers of HIS Holiness.

Through faith we have imputed righteousness...not imparted righteousness. There is a big difference.

We are being changed from Glory to Glory by the Spirit of the Lord .......can't do that ourselves no matter how hard we try.

2 Corinthians 3 shows the difference between those two groups you just mentioned.
---kathr4453 on 6/2/08


1)Rev.7 is Israel. Elect=Israel
2)The Godhead is made up three distinct persons, 3 individuals operating as one. This is reflected in the marriage when the man and the woman "become one flesh". Are they now one individual?
3)What did Christ fulfill in the Law? The fact that without the sheading of blood there is no remission of sin. With His children "Picking up His cross, becoming dead to sin", we have fulfilled the Law ourselves and now "it is written on our hearts".
---bill on 6/2/08


Glory in us--2 Corinthians 3
Nevertheless when one turns to the Lord, the veil is taken away. 17 Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty. 18 But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as by the Spirit of the Lord.
---lisa on 6/2/08


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I enjoy reading the replys for this blog but one thing I see is a chasem between those who say we are saved by faith through grace and those who say we need to be righteous first before you can be saved. Which is right? Or, perhaps there are 2 ways, one for Jews and one for Gentiles?
---james on 6/2/08


The Church is Isarel.

Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world:
Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, ..
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens with the saints, and of the household of God,
---Samuel on 6/2/08


Rhonda, you are right that He gives glory, in respect to God giving it, but it is God who receives glory for His Work. If God shared the glory men has with someone other then God that person would share the glory with others and not with God. God giving men glory and men giving glory are two different things. So He doesn't share any of the glory that men has been given with anyone.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/08


#2. Rhonda: It was not a matter of been rude but clarifying the intend of the passage in Romans 17. As the RCC has done in other passages, like Rev. 5:8 a future event that has not taken place yet, they use it to justify that saints are reading our prayers and taking them to God in every age even now. When the event has not happen yet. I try to pay attention to the whole context to make sure what I have read does not contradict other passages.
---Mark_V. on 6/2/08


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MarkV::God made us to his image and likeness Geni:1:26 so that we would share In his glory IF we prove worthy.Kathrn is rightJn14:1-7 why else does he command us to be Perfect.Nothing defiled enters heaven.
---Emcee on 6/1/08


Mark V....no where are Gentiles called a remnant, as ALL scripture referring to the Remnant are talking about Jews. This is the problem with SDA's, along with those who believe in replacement theology...they think THEY are the remnant, having a different, and dangerous understanding of end times, and how the CHURCH does and doesn't fit into these prophecies.
---kathr4453 on 6/1/08


MarkV, I'm sorry I have to correct you, but the RCC has never said God shares His Glory.
This is what Protestants have said so long and so much that you now think the RCC states this. Trinity is Three Persons in One Being.
Just because you say the RCC teaches shared Glory, it doesn't mean it is true.
No where will you find anything written by the RCC that states your opinion. Remember, WRITTEN BY THE RCC.
---Nicole on 5/31/08


Are the 144,000 part of the endtime Remnant?

If they are, they can only be of the nation of Israel as Scripture very plainly mentions the 12 tribes they will be from.

If their mission is to convert others to Christ, then we can surmise that some non-Israelites will become part of the remnant. So MarkV may be correct.
---Lee1538 on 5/31/08


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Kathryn: You are correct to point out that a remnant is the remainder (as in the last scrap in a bolt of cloth). As such it is IDENTICAL to the first part. The true Christian Church today is IDENTICAL to that created at Eden. It worships the same God, and thus is the same religion. Remember the Lamb slain from the foundation of the earth? That lamb IS Jesus Christ! Jesus created the world, led the Israelites in the wilderness, wrote the Ten Commandments with His own finger, and died for our sins.
---jerry6593 on 5/31/08


Mark V...last but not least...


Colossians 3
1If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

God Bless!
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


Kathr, the newness was in the arrival of the Way, Christianity. Behold old things have passed away, all things are new. Then, as time passed and that became the persecuted church of old, new deceptions arrived, new adverseries arrived. The only thing new now is that change in the life of the person receiving Christ. Anyone remaining faithful will be of the remnant. Jesus wondered if anyone would remain faithful to greet Him when He comes again.
---frances008 on 5/30/08


Mark V

2 Thess 1:10
When He shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

1st John 3 We don't know what we will be but we know we will be like Him...phil 3 ..He will change our lowely body's and fashion them like His.

Paul wants us to know the Hope of Our Calling. The Mystery KEPT SECRET but now revealed.

Was a redeemer kept secret? NO
Salvation? NO
The Church? YES
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


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John 17:10
And all mine are thine, and thine are mine, and I am glorified in them.

If Christ is IN YOU, and He says I am Glorified in them....not over them or around them...then I see this as Christ sharing HIS Glory with His Body...Bride. He is the Head, and we are His Body...can these be detached?
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


Mark V, I am going by this verse in John 17.

Also , those He has Justified, them He also Glorified....Romans

Many More....We will be Glorified together with Christ. We are His Bride, His Body...bone of His Bone flesh of His Flesh...the Church yes will be Gloriied together WITH Christ.

John 17:22
And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them, that they may be one, even as we are one:
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


Mark V .

Romans 8:17
And if children,then heirs, heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ,if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Yes, the Church has a special calling out.

Those saved after the translation of the Church during the Great Tribulation are going into the 1000 year Kingdom reign on earth. They will SEE the Glory of the Lord...but will not be Glorified together WITH Christ. We however will be. We are going to reign and rule with Him.
---kathr4453 on 5/30/08


#2. Kathr: Scripture defines the Remnant as "A minority of humnity that has remained faithful to the Lord in every age since the fall of Adam" In Elijah's day, the remnant consisted of only 7,000 out of all of Israel who had not been corrupted by Baal worship. (1 Kings 19:18, Romans 11:1-5). In Isaiah's day it was "very small" (again they were Israelites) Isa. 1:9. Today it is composed of members of the True Church (Romans 11:4,5).
---Mark_V. on 5/30/08


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#3. Kathr: In the Tribulation it will be the 144,000 Israelites (Rev.7:3-8) and a great number of Gentiles (Rev. 7:9). A Remnant will enter the kingdom age (Zech. 12:13,9). Here is Romans 11: "But what does the divine Response say to him? I have reserved for Myself seven Thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal. Even so then, at this present time there is a Remnant according to the election of Grace,
---Mark_V. on 5/30/08


#4. Kathr: "And if by grace, then it is no longer of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace." The Church today consist now of all individuals who have put their faith in Christ who by Grace they have been saved through faith. In the case of the Israelites who didn't trust God, God blinded them so that later He could have mercy on them.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/08


Kathr, I'm sorry I have to correct you, God doesn't share his glory with anyone. That is the problem with the RCC. They have everyone sharing the glory with Christ by their idolatry. You are right, Israel is mentioned in Rev. but also wrong that the Remnant only consist of Israelites in all of God's Word. Many passages speak of them, but only refers to Israelites if the context of the passage allows it. The Remnant is not a piece of some object or leftovers.
---Mark_V. on 5/30/08


The Remnant in Rev 12 is Israel, not the Church. The Church is a NEW CREATION, not something left over from the old. Remnant means something that is part of or the end piece of something. We, His Body are not the end piece of anything, but something completely NEW.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/08


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Brother Lee, I have been reading your comments for a long time with great interest. Thank you so much for bringing forward the Truth. And remember you will always be questioned because the workers of the law for salvation are many, not only in the SDA's but in many denominations. They just don't want to except that Grace through faith alone saves them. That "transformation" (regeneration) is a one time deal forever. That faith is a gift given to us by God as believers to abide in Christ.
---Mark_V. on 5/29/08


#2. Lee: That the whole process of salvation is all of God. They say they are saved by Grace through faith, but later incorporate doctrines because since they are doing the abiding, they take claim to some and many times to all of the salvation process. When it was the faith that God gave them as a gift to make it possible for them to abide. I believe every true born again believer who is a new creation will know in his heart that he can do nothing without Christ,
---Mark_V. on 5/29/08


#3 Lee: And will also know that all of the salvation process is of God. Without the grace of God they would never abide, believe, or give the glory to God. And you call that pride.
---Mark_V. on 5/29/08


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