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Democrats are for Abortion, why do Christians still vote for Democrats?

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Where do people get the idea that all sins are equal? It should be pbvious that the unforgivable sin, whatever it means, must be worse than a forgivable sin. Jesus said there were weightier and lesser matters of the law, and how it was especially bad to neglect the weightier ones although the lesser ones should not be neglected either. 1 John 5:16 clearly says that some sins are worse than others since some lead to death. Certainly, any sin is worthy of judgment, but Jesus said that there were different degrees of punishment: that some will be punished as if by many stripes, and others by few (Luke 12:47-48).
---Ktisophilos on 11/25/08


All sin is sin.Democrtats,Republicans,Libertarians etc...all sin and have fallen short of the glory of God. Abortion is only one among millions of sin before God. We are not to willfully sin, at anytime. But we as Christians sin,everyday.Whether we think so or not. Read I John in the bible.Every chapter. If you think you do not sin you are already lost and very deluded.And are calling God a liar on top of that.
I do not agree with abortion,period. But who is to say abortion is not needed in certain,life threatening cases.
The death penalty is a horrible penalty but it is a necessary evil.The bible is filled with all type of terrible incidents and horrible things. It is a scary book. But it is truth.Abortion is truth.
---Robyn on 10/30/08


Sevans- If you had watched the last debate you'd know that while Obama may support choice in the very earliest stages of pregnancy-He is personally against abortion, and wants an immediate ban on all late term, or partial-birth, abortions (unless the mother's life is in danger).

>>You believe everything he says? A voting record does not change...and he voted 3 times to deny health care to babies that "survived" botched abortions. That is out of the womb survived! That record doesn't change, but words can. His words and his record do not match!
---kenrank on 10/29/08


You are sadly misinformed. If you had watched the last debate you'd know that while Obama may support choice in the very earliest stages of pregnancy-He is personally against abortion, and wants an immediate ban on all late term, or partial-birth, abortions (unless the mother's life is in danger). John Mccain, on the other hand, may "claim" to be pro-life to garner votes, but in 1999 he voted against overturning Roe V Wade-"in favor of abortion"! He is also an adulterer,,liar, slanderer, wealthy opportunist-who you think to be a Christian-but refused to be baptized, and because of it has never been a "legal/full" member of his own nominally attended Baptist church-Look it up (the truth & not rhetoric).
---Sevans on 10/27/08


Where do you get a blanket statement like Democrats are (all) "for" abortion?

>> I can answer this....if you are against early abortion, or partial birth abortion...or if you are against giving health care to babies who have "survived" botched abortions...all three Obama supports by the way......yet you support this kind of person with your time, money, or vote, you align yourself to their position. You give them power, through your vote, time or money...without which, these positions could not grow within society.

Believers are to avoid the "appearance of evil." Is it evil to kill that which God said he KNEW >>before<< it was in the womb? Yes, so we should avoid that.
Peace.
---kenrank on 10/27/08




But McCain supports abortion in the case of rape, incest or danger to the mother..

McCain supports fetal cell research...

How is THIS pro-life..

McCain is a hypocrite....
---NurseRobert on 10/6/08


The Democratic Party platform is officially pro-life. How can any professed pro-lifer beyond to such an abortion extremist party? How can any true Christian support them.

The Republican Party is merely disappointing. McCain and especially Palin are pro-life, Obama is pro-infanticide.
---Ktisophilos on 10/6/08


Where do you get a blanket statement like Democrats are (all) "for" abortion? I have met several at church that are strongly pro-life. There were recently two or three elected to congress that are also pro-life. Republicans that give lip service to pro-life by saying "let the states decide" as just as useless as a Democrat since they default to pro-choice. The Constitution Party is the only one left with a truely pro-life position to end all abortions.
---obewan on 10/3/08


Planned Parenthood the agency that advocated for contraceptions was begun by a Lady who hated blacks and was fearful over the 'alarming birth rate' among them. Wow didn't that backfire.
---Martin_nz on 10/1/08


Good response Donna. I don't support the murder of innocent children either. Rather than our tax dollars being given to agencies like Planned Parenthood, I would like them to support agencies dedicated towards preserving hueman life. It's my belief persons who practice abortion, even if the law of the land doesn't punish them, will have to face the horrible consequences of their actions when they stand before God in judgment.
---Leon on 7/28/08




Duane_Dudley_Martin:you stated:"Now that we have a Repub. Pres. the Senate & House belong to the Dems. and they wont bring it to the Floor to be passed.
Believe me BUSH would sign it into law."
Are you sure he would sign it it is big business an he is for big business and he is pro choice he has exceptions and that is NOT pro life.
---Johannes on 7/27/08


How simple it would be if we could choose our political party on the basis of a single issue.

If I had to agree with everything my political party claims to subscribe to, I probably wouldn't vote. And not voting,I believe, would be shirking my responsibility.

Even as a Christian,I believe that there are many issues as important, or perhaps more important, than abortion. I don't believe in abortion, but I'm uncertain if it should be punishable according to the law of the land.

I would like to see Christians more broadly informed about subjects such as economics, foreign policy, the Constitution,and the workings of all 3 branches of US Government.
---Donna on 7/27/08


Republicans are for abortion. They ran the country for the past 7 years, and look how well abortion thrives. Look how well planned parenthood took your tax dollars and used it to kill children in the womb.
so stop twisting the facts and state the truth for what it is.
Its not a dem or Reb thing it's an evil thing.
---Paul on 7/27/08


"---Which vote is the lesser of the evils, Barak Obama, John McCain, or not voting?---"

Tim: You left out the libertarian and constitution parties. I have heard that people should always vote their conscience even if their candidate will lose. Doing so will eventually shape the policy of the other parties. Look at what is happening with the democrats (after the Bush elections) on faith issues? At least now they give some lip service to spiritual values rather than being the unspoken party for atheists.
---obewan on 7/25/08


Which vote is the lesser of the evils, Barak Obama, John McCain, or not voting? Because let's face it brothers and sisters, all we are doing in this election is choosing the best of the worst.
---TIMOTHY on 7/24/08


Mark ... Things are exactly the same here.

Political corectness means that if someone is an offender, it is society (i.e. the law abiding rest of us) which is to blame.

The human rights of the criminal are more important than the victim's right to live, or to be unraped.

We here are free of the natural disasters & don't have the feraful forest fires you have and which are reported on or TVs.

But our people are as compassionate as US folk to the suffering of those in the 3rd world which is where most of these caatrophes hit.

---alan_of_UK on 7/17/08


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Alan, we are very bless that many can get away from fires, but it is the earthquakes that no one can get away from since we don't know where they will hit or when they will come. Smoke was bad before the fires, its now worse. Some days you cannot see the Sun.
I just saw a special from Europe on the immigration problems they are having. Sweden was the worse. We have those problems too, in our case it is the illigals coming in, not the ones that are legally coming in. The Democrats speak on their behalf and the Conservatives don't make enough noice since they will hurt someones feelings. Political correctness is the order of business, be careful what you say or else it will come out on all the papers how terrible you are.
---Mark_V. on 7/17/08


I can't recall any Republican politician promising that they can bring an end to abortions if elected. If people are voting for Republicans based on this premise, it is only due to wishful thinking on the part of the voter and not because of a basis in reality.

It is not possible to end all abortion even if it were made illegal. Some would be stopped but not all. Murder has always been illegal, stealing is illegal, drugs are illegal yet people continue to do all of the above. Laws serve the purpose of defining a society. They also spell out the consequences of certain behavior.

The heart and conscience of an individual determines what they do, not a law. We need leaders to reinforce that abortion is wrong, not a Right.
---ralph7477 on 7/17/08


Mark ... I have seen the fires on the TV ... it is terrible, as are the floods and famines elsewhere.

We are perhaps not so insular in the UK as you may imagine.
---alan_of_UK on 7/17/08


Kate,
if you haven't noticed, people are killing people all over the world. Every nation has murderers and killers. God is not happy, but He permits it to go on. Sin is around only by God allowing it or by permission of God. He could stop it if He so wanted. He will do away with sin, when He is good and ready. If there was one thing that could come to pass without God allowing it or God permitting it, that one thing would be more powerful then God. It doesn't really matter who is in and who is out when it comes to God.
It matters to us, to our conscience. Our moral values, to our new relationship with Christ. What we do as children of God. But what we do think are say, God already knows.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/08


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Alan, what you need is to get away from home and come to California, you will smell the smoke and see the fires.
Concerning the Sovereignty of God "For He workth all things after the counsel of His own will: Eph. 1:11. What was it that moved Him to predestine His elect to the praise of the glory of His grace? It was, as Eph. 1:5 says "according to the good pleasure of His will" How about, "When ye shall have done all those things which are commanded, You say, We are unprofitable servants" Luke 17:10. Our obedience has profited God nothing. ".. as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end," It takes faith to believe that.
---Mark_V. on 7/16/08


I used this idea when I voted for George Bush and look what happened - abortion is still legal and running well, and now we're killing people in Iraq. wonderful. just wonderful.
---kate on 7/16/08


Mark V If you read the posts you will see I did respond about DDM.
You know I don't rely on works, but that I don't regard Saying please & thank you to a free & undeserved offer as being works.
I am not sure about OSAS, which is why I asked the question, which so far you have not answered.
Nothing terrible is happening in my life to make me get angry, but I suppose I am not particularly happy when you say that I don't accept the sovereignty of God immediately after I have said that He is Sovereign.
---alan_of_UK on 7/16/08


Alan, first I said Duane D. was not saying what you thought. Then you answered back without with no mention of what Duane said. Then I answered you and wow, you sure got mad quick. Why don't you make yourself clear. Do you believe that you came to Christ out of your own free will? By your actions? yes or no? Second, do you believe once a person is born again, (saved), he can lose his salvation? Yes or no? This way you can correct me. I don't mind correction.
I tried very hard never to answer you. One time you said it was disrespectful. I didn't answer you for a while so you would not get mad. Now again. Is there something terrible happening in your life that is causing you to get angry? If there is, I am truely sorry. I wish I could help.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/08


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Mark ... I had already referred to your "unjustified accusations about what other people beleive, irrespective of what they themselves say (such as your statement that I rely on works)"

And you repeat that false statement about what I beleive, and go into greater detail about it.

When Mark, is saying "Thank you, and yes please" for something you have not earned a work?

You know I do not beleive: "if you don't do the deeds and sin you lose what you gain, your salvation" So why do you say it?

Maybe you don't mean to bear false witness, but you do seem to be prone to doing it accidently
---alan_of_UK on 7/15/08


>>---To say that you vote Democrat because of the "good" things and that you are really not supporting their pro abortion philosophy is ridiculous.---<<

To say that you vote Republican because they can bring an end to abortions is just as ridiculous. Recent history has shown the Rebubs only give lip service to the conservative Christian agenda, and that they take us for granted.

Since compromise is always part of the political system, perhaps a better vote would be Libertarian so that we can put an end to tax funded abortions. At least that way I would feel like my part in participating in murder is over.
---obewan on 7/15/08


Alan, if I state a fact how is it that it is condemning you? Did I say you were lost, were evil, going to hell? I did not say any of those things. So how is it condemning? Tell me. You and I have been through this already before. Yet you keep asking me questions. When I give you an answer you get angry. Do you rely on works? Yes. How do I know? because of your answers. You believe a person earns his way into heaven by using his own free will. It was not God that brought you to Him. Your own actions did. And after been saved by your actions (free will) doing all the deeds of a good person eternal life is there, if you don't do the deeds and sin you lose what you gain, your salvation. That is why Obewan corrected me. I saw my error.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/08


Ralph, you are so right. Yet many who are democrats don't vote for abortion. As you say, they don't realize it is voting for the whole party. The same with Republicans.
I have always been against abortion, but one day I saw a show on TV about Partial Birth Abortion. They sucked the brains out of a child with a vacumn. I thought, how could anyone vote for that? Especially a True Christian. If we have the love of God in us who guides us through our live's, how is it possible for us to vote that way? The abortionist figure if they give one part of the abortion issue, they give it all up later. They compromise the live's of so many, so cruel, because they don't want to lose what they have already.
---Mark_V. on 7/15/08


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Thats truth Ralph, AMEN Brother!

Oh what a wicked web we weave when we practice to deceive!

Oh what a wicked web we've woven,
because of the men/women we have chosen!

Don't think for one minute that my Father's not watching you/us...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/15/08


To say that you vote Democrat because of the "good" things and that you are really not supporting their pro abortion philosophy is ridiculous. It's all part of the package.

It's like being a member of a church that sponsors dog fights every Thursday in the basement. Your stance is that you don't attend those events so you look the other way because the church does so many other good things for the community and the pastor is a nice guy and you have lots of friends there.

Democrats don't accept half a vote or 80% of your vote. They consider a vote for them as a vote for the whole party platform which includes seeing to it that abortions continue unabated.
---ralph7477 on 7/15/08


Obewan, I stand corrected. You are right. I should have stated it different. I would think anyone who is truely born again would never think of killing the unborn child. But many Christians make many mistakes. I suppose those who vote shouldn't but still do vote for abortion. Don't really know why, other then they must not be born again because of the evidence of their fruits since they are not the one's aborting but making a choice for reasons other then for God. We all judge, you judge me and I judge them. I know you are right also in that just because they sinned does not mean they lost salvation. I know not all Democrats vote for abortion, that is also a fact, I didn't say they all did. Thanks for correcting me.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/08


Mark,
On the other blog, I see no facts from you, just as Jerry says, rather self-contradictory opinion, and unjustified accusations about what other people beleive, irrespective of what they themselves say (such as your statement that I rely on works)

On this blog, you said "The majority speaks and votes, but the judges in power make it legal or not. You don't know this because you don't live here""

I reported the facts, not opinion, of the situation in the UK. to agree with yuo and to show we have the same issues about abortion, and how liberalism erodes the rights of law abiding members of society to the benefit of criminals.

I am sorry that you are not interested in this
---alan_of_UK on 7/14/08


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I beg to differ,
If you KNOW what a person in powers agenda is and you vote for them still, their will be a problem...(how bad of one is up to God)

Thats like saying, I voted for A. Hitler because of his agenda and just closed my eyes of the outcome because i voted for him for a differant reason...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/14/08


---Mark V "if they were born again they would never vote for the death of an unborn"---

Be careful about judging the salvation of Christians who might vote democratic. Just because someone votes for a democrat does not mean they would vote for abortion or NOT be born again. Jimmy Carter is a case in point. He is even famous for the book titled Born Again, and I dont doubt that he IS born again. He is famous for teaching Sunday school even.

The Bible gives stern warnings against those who would judge others, and that is exactly what we do when WE play God and say who is and is not saved. Even if someone IS for abortion, they could STILL be saved, and the SIN of not voting correctly would not remove their salvation.
---obewan on 7/14/08


MarkV: The statistics given by DDM are flawed. I found differing stats on the percentage of Americans who oppose abortion.

Voting Democratic does not mean that I am voting for abortion. It means I have other things on my agenda than just the pro-life/pro-choice issue.
---Trish9863 on 7/14/08


Alan, you finally said something that made some sense. You dicussed something without accusing any of us of anything. Duane D. in my opinion didn't say they were bad or stupid. And I didn't condemn you when I answered your other blog, all I did was state a fact, not a condemnation.

While I am not very interested in the politics of the U.K. I cannot discuss anything with you concerning them. I have no business since I know little of what they do there. Your opinion might be completely different then some other guy from there. If I was interested in knowing I would began studying it myself. But right now I have other things more important to study. Defending the faith, and defending the One True God of Scripture.
---Mark_V. on 7/14/08


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Mark V "for if they were born again they would never vote for the death of an unborn child"
Yes I think you are right.
And I see DDM's point about the Republicans never being both President and controlling Congress & Senate & the Judges.

But I doubt if they would stop abortion even if they did, because there aren't enough Christians there.

Here in the UK we have liberals & socialists ("It's the woman's body to do what she wants with) and the Conservatives (who like Republicans are for freedom & capitalism, which would include the right to make money out of abortions)
---alan_of_UK on 7/14/08


mark V We have exactly the same thing here about judges making decisions which are totally contrary to what the people want.

Latest is that it is agaisnt the human rights of murderers and gang leaders if there are anonymous witness at their trial

We will probably now have murderes and vicious gang leaders released because their conviction is unfair because witnesses (all verified by police) testified anonymously, because they were terrified that the gangs and friends would carry out reprisals.

And the pursuit of many such evil men is slowing because witnesses now think they cannot be safely anonymous.

Criminals rights are more important that those of the public they seek to harm
---alan_of_UK on 7/14/08


Alan, "either stupid or bad" whats up with that? Maybe I read it wrong, maybe I was not looking for some fault in his answer. I do not agree with his 98% of blacks vote demo. (not this year), and on his 96% of people who come from commie nations. Republicans have been in office but the judges who are in position make abortion legal. The 79% of American doesn't want abortion, yet it continues is clear to me that not all Americans are born again, and not all who call themselves Christians are born again Christian, a big difference, for if they were born again they would never vote for the death of an unborn child. The majority speaks and votes, but the judges in power make it legal or not. You don't know this because you don't live here.
---Mark_V. on 7/13/08


"But there have been periods when Republicans have been in power ... as recently. And nothing was done to curb abortion."-Alan of UK.

In the USA, the majority Party does not easily have the power to proclaim its will as the law of the land. There is a branch of Government called the Supreme Court. Many years ago, a liberal leaning Supreme Court declared that the Constitution contains a Right to Privacy. This is of course nonsense, as there is no such Constitutional right, but that decision has insured that abortion can't be outlawed.

G.W. Bush has done his part to appoint Justices who are most likely to interpret the Constitution as written and not conjure up imaginary "rights" in order to fit an agenda.
---ralph7477 on 7/13/08


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JERRY_OOHRAH!!!

Alan of UK_1st let me say that i have Hispanic nephews & nieces, and black nephews & nieces that i love with all my heart...

2nd a President CAN'T get ANYTHING done without the Senate & House of Representatives.

When we had a Dem Pres. not to long ago, the Senate & House belonged to the Repubs. and they tried to get it stopped, But he would'nt sign it into law.
Now that we have a Repub. Pres. the Senate & House belong to the Dems. and they wont bring it to the Floor to be passed.
Believe me BUSH would sign it into law.

One day ALL will see the OBSTRUCTION thats been going on, ALL things will be brought to LIGHT!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/13/08


Mark ... the implication seemed to be that those who were listed as predominantly voting democrat were either stupid or bad. They must have been listed to make some sort of point about how voting democrat was wrong, and for certaintypes of people.

But there have been periods when Republicans have been in power ... as recently. And nothing was done to curb abortion.

It seems to me (admittedly an outsider) that whether yo have a Rep or Dem president, the evil of abortion will continue.

So the two should be judged on other issues
---alan_of_UK on 7/13/08


The problem with right to choose is we have free birth control in this country at the same clinics that supply free or low cost abortions. Also with this free choice why are some women, who can get birth control, still having more than one abortion? Then ask yourself this, when you go before God and He ask you about abortion what will you say to Him? It is a right of choice? What will He say?
---Kay on 7/12/08


DDM: Semper Fi! Thanks for your service to our country.
---jerry6593 on 7/12/08


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I had to correct my Cardiolgist recently when he said that Cardiovascular disease was the number one cause of death in America. Abortion, not heart disease, not cancer, not diabetes, not disasters, not accidents, not even war dead - but ABORTION - is the greatest single cause of death in America. Over 1.2 Million innocent people are murdered in our country every year in the name of "a woman's right to choose." I'm glad my Mom chose LIFE for me. How about you?

In America, 22% of all pregnancies end in infanticide. If we were to suffer a nuclear terrorist attack, and 22% of us were wiped out, that might wake us up. But 1.2 Million babies - No problem. Go ahead - vote Dem - Unless you have a conscience.
---jerry6593 on 7/12/08


Well said Nicole, as hispanic myself I admit the majority are not educated, and so many are illigally in this country. Most of them vote democrat because it serves their own purposes and they have been brain washed that only white people vote Replublican. So they, themselves poor join the democrats since they get so many things free, which causes a strain in our country because they out-number all other illigal immigrants at least 300-1 coming in. That is why the difference in voting is so big as DDM stated, while the percentages are changing as more get educated, it is far off from equal.

Alan, he didn't state hispanics were bad, but that the percentage of people who speak one way, does another.
---Mark_V. on 7/12/08


Nicole_I love a person that can unload both barrels at once, Good Job!
When i was in the USMC i don't remember ANYONE being a Dems.(That was a BAD word in the Corps!
They dwindle us down to almost nothing, and shoot from the hip/NO AIM!

I'm sure their was a couple in the footlocker(Closet), If you know what i mean.
Don't ask, because i'm not telling! he he he
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/12/08


can someone please explain to me how "holy" the Republicans party is, after the 4000+ deaths of American soldiers, countless deaths in Iraq---Mary

Because only Republican are trying to stop the 4000 DEATH OF BABIES A DAY BY ABORTION IN AMERICA.

Democrats want to continue and kill even more babies a day.

Plus, the people who joined the Army, knew why they were issued a gun, played war games and learned how to jump from planes.
Not for teaparties.

My dad was drafted from Puerto Rico, of all places. But, he made a career out of it.
My brother is in the Army now.

We don't put soldiers in uniforms just to look cute.

Also, did you know that the majority of the US ARM FORCES are Republican?
---Nicole on 7/11/08


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DDM: Where do you get your statistics?
---Trish9863 on 7/10/08


Mary you are correct that the republicans are not any holier than the democrates. Independents may be, however,a bit more holier. But I doubt it. It's just that one, is more for the poor, and the other-one is more for the rich. I believe in voting for the person, not the party of which they represent. Always use your "God" permission, to judge the candidates. "Do they love the Lord thy God, creator of heaven and earth"??
---catherine on 7/10/08


Hi, I know I've said this before but I'll say it again: can someone please explain to me how "holy" the Republican party is, after the 4000+ deaths of American soldiers, countless deaths in Iraq because of fighting partly due to our unwanted presence there, and our freely trading commerce in Iran? Oh, and don't even get me started on all the pain that's been caused in Afghanistan by the Republican administration. Ugh!
---Mary on 7/10/08


96% of Gays vote Dem.
89% of Blacks vote Dem.(not this year though)
79% of Hispanic's vote Dem.
38% of White's vote Dem.
94% of Hollywood vote Dem.

If you can name more than 3 Repubs. Sen or House reps. that are Pro=Choice, Please tell me?

96% of the people that come from commie nations vote Repub.
62% of Whites vote Repub.
79% of America does'nt want Abortion, Yet, it continues.

Just like off-shore drilling & refineries, ect. ect.
ALL stopped by Dems!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/9/08

Excellent point.
All I can say is Amen, Amen.
---Nicole on 7/10/08


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DDM ... You seem to be saying that Gays, blacks, hispanics and hollywood are all bad?
---alan_of_UK on 7/10/08


96% of Gays vote Dem.
89% of Blacks vote Dem.(not this year though)
79% of Hispanic's vote Dem.
38% of White's vote Dem.
94% of Hollywood vote Dem.

If you can name more than 3 Repubs. Sen or House reps. that are Pro=Choice, Please tell me?

96% of the people that come from commie nations vote Repub.
62% of Whites vote Repub.
79% of America does'nt want Abortion, Yet, it continues.

Just like off-shore drilling & refineries, ect. ect.
ALL stopped by Dems!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/9/08


I've voted AGAINST a lot of people - in every election, but I haven't voted FOR anyone since Reagan.
---jerry6593 on 7/9/08


"Rebublicans are for abortion, why do Christians still vote for Republicans?" The truth is pro- or anti- abortion has zero to do with Republican and Democrat, because both partizans have pro-abortion members as well as anti-abortion members.
---Eloy on 7/7/08

Yes, both parties do have pro-life and Pro-abortion.

But, it is only Republican Presidents who appointed Pro-life Justice. THIS HAS 100% TO DO WITH REPUBLICANS.

Why do you thing Pro-choice people vote Democrat?
Why Planned Parenthood only donates to Democrat candiates?

Even they know which Party is on their side and who isn't.

Should you not know as well?
---Nicole on 7/7/08


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"Rebublicans are for abortion, why do Christians still vote for Republicans?" The truth is pro- or anti- abortion has zero to do with Republican and Democrat, because both partizans have pro-abortion members as well as anti-abortion members.
---Eloy on 7/7/08


obewan: "Jerry: What you failed to mention is that at the end of the story, Chicken Little was right. You have your head in the sand ..." Obe, you're confused. Chicken little had an acorn drop on her head which she mistakenly interpreted as the sky falling! You see, her climatic thermodynamic algorithms included an invalid presupposition that led to erroneous conclusions. We've got the same problem with all these Global Warming alarmists (led by some nutcase who thinks he invented the internet and has a personal carbon footprint larger than a suburban block). The false presupposition is that man-made CO2 causes global warming. The actual data refutes this assertion.
---jerry6593 on 7/5/08


Trish, if you read the verses prior to and after Ezekiel 16, 49 you will also see God is calling them whores and harlets, He goes on and on about their abominations. Also see Leviticus 20 and read the chapter, Exodus 34, 12-16, II Corintians 9, 6-7 (deals with giving to the poor), Galations 2, 15-21, and Galations 5, 17-26. You will see he is definately not a Liberal. He is clear how he feels about sin and justification of them.
---Kay on 7/5/08


If you read on you will see it was not just not caring for the poor but also for their sins were greater as in verse 51 Nither hath Samara commited half of thy sins, but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast JUSTIFIED thy sisters in all these abominations which thou hast done. Then read on and you will see it is not just the poor but all the sins and justifing them.
---Kay on 7/4/08


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Then you need to read Genesis chapter 19, if you are wanting to bring Sodom and Gomorrah into it. You will see that it was not just the poor but the cities were filled with sins. They were evil and filled with lust for all sins. We as a nation have taken care of our poor with housing, foodstamps, and energy assistance, medical and daycare. Are we to give them everything? Why do they not do as I did and work two jobs? When is it enough? How much do you give?
---Kay on 7/4/08


Kay: Ezekial 16:49 " 'Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned, they did not help the poor and needy." That does not sound like the liberal agenda but the conservative agenda to me.
---Trish9863 on 7/4/08


I am not saying anyone is democratic or republican I am simply pointing out the polocies of democrats and I'm sorry but God is not a liberal, He does not change, and will never change,He does not compromise, He destroyed great cities for their sins. God is and always will be the same. The Alfa and the Omega, so should His children be. We should not be liberals if we are a child Gods'. We should not compromise.
---Kay on 7/3/08


Did you not watch the news? Iraq is buying from the U.S. as much as we are spending over there so it is countered. Is it fair that the very people we are fighting over there kill as many babies because the parents are not of their faith? If we stop just this one country from this we will have saved more babies than the U.S. kills with abortions in a day.
---Kay on 7/3/08


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You gotta love a person that uses both barrels at once, Amen Kay!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/2/08


>>How is sticking a rod threw an infants brain when they are half way delivered a good thing?

Also note that congress also passes bills with pork attached. 2008 was 17 billion, 2009 so far over 17 billion and rising. So why is this country in debt?<<

Kay, I never said I was a democrat, and yes, Al Gore has a huge SUV. It was the democrats who changed the fuel economy standards to usher in the SUV era, and it was the republicans who blocked raising the standard recently.

As for dead babies, how can burning an Iraqi baby in a US air strike be a good thing?

As for budgets, 17 billion is small compared to the 1 trillion dollars (or more) in debt the Iraq war will bring.
---obewan on 7/2/08


Have any of you read the powers of congress and the powers of the president? Congress makes and passes the laws, bills and they spend billions in pork, the president submits a budget but sense 1974 congress has taken over rewriting it and they pass it, the president can veto but congress can over ride his veto, so all the laws and all the problems we are enduring is from congress not the president. go to Bens' Guide to U.S. Government and study. Also note that congress aslo passes bills with pork attached. 2008 was 17 billion, 2009 so far over 17 billion and rising. So why is this country in debt?
---Kay on 7/1/08


So it is good to support nations that kill christians rather than drill for our own oil? It is good to go green and buy smaller cars and Hybreds to concerve energy as the democrats claim so why are they not doing this? Why do they not drive Hybreds? Why do they want us to do what they do not? And how do you justify partial birth abortion? How do you say God wants a man to run our country that blocked a bill that stopped doctors from throwing living infants in the trash to die? How is sticking a rod threw an infants brain when they are half way delivered a good thing? Where is God in all this?
---Kay on 7/1/08


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Ha, sheeple, I like that Jerry.

Obewan, buddy ole pal, as I said previously on this blog McCain is nowhere near the type of guy I want for president and I will not vote for him. I recently read that James Dobson will also not be voting for him for reasons very similar to mine.

Anyway, enough of this angst for awhile. It's a beautiful day and I'm heading to the golf course to enjoy the Lord's blessings.

Peace, boys.
---ralph7477 on 7/1/08


">>You are soooo right on! I call this the "Chicken Little" mentality<<"

Jerry: What you failed to mention is that at the end of the story, Chicken Little was right. You have your head in the sand if you think we do not face a very REAL current crisis with gas topping $4 a gallon. Wait till the world has to pay $10 or $15 a gallon. Peak Oil is a REAL phenomenon, not to be ignored. I have seen this coming for at least 10 years now, and the peak oil experts predicted our current crisis with great timeliness - within 1 or 2 years.
---obewan on 7/1/08


">>20 years left before global warming wipes out everything, plenty of oil until then.<<"

Ralph: And your McCain supports the global warming agenda with proposed carbon tax penalties, whereas the "liberal" Obama supports coal to liquid fuel technology development (not GW friendly). In a world where oil is ALREADY in SHORT supply, as an independent, I am inclined to support the candidate that has his focus on priority one. As for the 1970s, Hubert invented the peak oil curve, and applied to the US oil supply, it predicted depletion of most of the TX wells within a small error margin. The same curve applied to world supply has predicted the peak we currently face. Supply is close to 1/2 gone now.
---obewan on 7/1/08


Ralph: You are soooo right on! I call this the "Chicken Little" mentality (after the children's story where CL went about yelling "the sky is falling, the sky is falling"). There is no political ploy so sucessful as a convincing gloom and doom panic followed by Big Government to the rescue. Do you remember the "hole in the ozone layer" panic several years ago? We all gave up chlorofluorocarbons in our spray cans and R12 refrigerant in our cars ($10,000 penalty for letting any loose in the atmosphere) to fix the problem. The hole is still there, but nobody cares now, Except DuPont, whose R12 patent had run out at that time. How naive we sheeple are!
---jerry6593 on 7/1/08


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Doom, gloom, anarchy and carnage! Haven't we heard all this before? I seem to remember that the "experts" in the 1970's warned that there was only a 25-30 year supply of oil remaining.

I seem to also remember that there were geniuses who said that the planet could not support 4 billion people.

We have only about 20 years left anyway before global warming wipes out everything, so there should be plenty of oil until then. Of course they made that 20 year prediction 10 years ago, but somehow it is still 20 years now. Oh wait a minute, maybe that was the looming ice age that was supposed to wipe us all out in 30 years. It's tough to keep up with all these scientists, but after all we're not as smart as they are.
---ralph7477 on 6/30/08


jerry6593:

Speaking of "big government", look at the federal government over the past 8 years - increased military, a new Department of Homeland Security, more secret courts, etc.

This includes wiretapping civilian phones (and of course hiring all the people to keep track of all that) - currently a subject of several class-action lawsuits, unless the senate caves in to the President who said he would veto any telecom bill that doesn't provide immunity from such lawsuits.

Just look at the federal deficit during the past several administrations (large under Bush 1, largely reduced under Clinton, and much larger again under Bush 2) and you can see just WHO is making the government larger and spending more tax dollars.
---StrongAxe on 6/30/08


">>bread lines the society of choice for the left-wing liberal.<<"

Jerry: You have distorted my comment out of context. The bread line I speak of is the one that will form for PAID bread in 35-50 years during the end of oil disaster. Only the richest of rich will be able to afford food and they will probably fight and bicker in long lines over that. You know the song? "A bag of bread will buy a piece of gold?" What is "left wing" about being concerned about the end of oil? We currently have only a 3% shortage, and look at the carnage that has already ensued. Forget abortion. 9 billion people starving trumps that issue. Obama is the only candidate that has supported coal to liquid fuel technology btw!
---obewan on 6/30/08


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