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Why are the preachers and teachers not teaching the Word of God in proper context today?

Moderator - Because first there must be the falling away. We are living in the end of the end-times.

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--Trav:*The person that provoked me...provoked me to my own blessing and peace in truth.*

Amen~Trav~Amen

Eliquently stated & Very true! We're to hold faith in the One True Spirit of God, and through hearing in faith seek to exercise ourselves in the spirit.

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.Heb.12:11

And herein do I exercise myself, to have always a conscience void to offence toward God, and toward men.Acts 24:16

Strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil.Heb.5:14
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/3/09


---Trav:

Trav, Amen to your posting of VERSES & witnessing of scriptures! Albeit I'm not certain have you're trying to edify us???

God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/2/09

Shawn thanks for blessing.
Edification could happen if we all seen scripture through the same Gospel.
It would be a sin/curse for me tip toe around totally false or unscriptural doctrines on this site. Blindness is one thing. Ignorance is another. Then we have certain spirits at play here.

The person that provoked me....provoked me to my own blessing and peace in truth. I thought guy was a nut....until scripture...precept upon precept...showed me that GOD put this provocateur in front of me. YAHWEH bless him an his, I pray.
---Trav on 1/2/09


---Trav:

Trav, Amen to your posting of VERSES & witnessing of scriptures! Albeit I'm not certain have you're trying to edify us???

This conversation isn't reguarding so much obedience or disobedience to God's Word, as it's about how His Word is to be shared as we spread it in the earth ~ with His Love in our hearts or with Hate & Violance!

But then again, I guess one could say~If we're not diligently enduring in the Spirit of God's Word(which is His Love) specially when we're sharing & spreading the 'Good News' in all the earth, then we're not being obedient in & to His Word!!!!

God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/2/09


Shaun, you remind me of the false prophets who the true prophets described as people who kept saying 'Peace, peace,...The aim is to cause us to sin. We have a duty to oppose it.
---frances008 on 12/26/08

Amen. Witnessed in all scripture.

But if thou shalt indeed obey his voice, and do all that I speak, then I will be an enemy unto thine enemies, and an adversary unto thine adversaries.
Exodus 23:21-23

By this I know that thou favourest me, because mine enemy doth not triumph over me.
Psalm 41:10-12

Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.
Luke 22:35-37
---Trav on 12/29/08


--Frances008:

Frances, I proclaim 'Love' because the Lord didn't come to send peace on earth(as false prophets claimed): but a sword(Matt.10:24)which is His Loving Word that we're to spread & share with a loving heart,soul & mind....unlike youself & 'Judas Iscariot', who falsely believe this sword to be for literal use in the hands of hateful & violent men.

A Loving heart preaches love to & for the brotheren and adides in the light, but the preachings of hate & violence comes from a heart whose hate will go out to the brotheren and only provide an occasion to stumble into the darkness and betray our Lord.

1John2:10 He that loveth his brother abideth in the light,and there is none occasion of stumbling in him.
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/28/08




Shaun, you remind me of the false prophets who the true prophets described as people who kept saying 'Peace, peace,' when there is no peace. Once we identify offenders it is our duty to confront them and get them to stop harming humanity, particularly in their use of methods which take away the freedom of the individual. EG. Their huge lies about what muslims are supposed to have done. The aim is to cause us to sin. We have a duty to oppose it.
---frances008 on 12/26/08


---Frances008:***IF someone is so brainwashed and IS ABOUT TO set out on a killing rampage, the soft approach will end in disaster for many. You MAY HAVE TO use physical violence in some cases to knock out the brainwashed one. I hate Calvinism,I hate the Jesuits.****

The drawing of the Lord's Love doesn't utilize 'Violence' (physically or verbally) to save souls! These strong words of hate & violence are the pit falls that lead to backsiding.

Your worrisome forethoughts of tomorrow will keep you out of the Love of the Lord's salvation against the evils of today.

Matt.6:34 Take therefore no thought for the morrow: for the morrow shall take thought for the things of itself. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof.
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/24/08


During the Korean War we discovered that Communists could brainwash soldiers very well. They could become Manchurian Candidates, who would be assimilated into the population and inactive until they received a phonecall which by use of a word, they would become active and lose all control of what they were doing. If truth is written it is banned, so fiction writers use fiction to tell the truth. If someone is so brainwashed and is about to set out on a killing rampage (or is spreading false doctrines) the soft approach will end in disaster for many. You may have to use physical violence in some cases to knock out the brainwashed one. Shaun, I know what you are about, I hate your Calvinism, as I hate the Jesuits, because they destroy souls.
---frances008 on 12/22/08


--Frances008:*It is not my loving...that will get them out of their deception**

Psalm 86:17 Shew me a token for good, that they which hate me may see it, and be ashamed

Frances, the shame of ungodly ways is revealed to the ungodly through them observing the good tokens upon our souls of the Love of the Lord in our lives, not through strong words of hate.

Romans 8:17,20-21 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him, if he thirst, give him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head. Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.

I pray sister that you aren't consummed & overcomed by these strong words that you've chosen to pick up!

God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/21/08


Shaun, you can write whatever you wish, but you will only show yourself up if you oppose the Word of God revealed through the power of the Holy Spirit and studied by someone who was indeed brainwashed by the RCC, but got herself out of the brainwashing by her own effort. If you wish to remain brainwashed by one of the children of the Whore of Babylon, it is your own choice. I recommend that you begin to think for yourself after much Bible study.
---frances008 on 12/19/08




Shaun, I am warning you off psychological operations against me. That is what I mean by having my writing 'mind controlled'. Yes, love is a command of God and if we do not love we sin. By looking at the bombs dropped by the mind controlled American air force you can see that these (many of them Christians) are following false Christs. That is not love. They have completely forsaken God and Love in favour of obeying man and being deceived by devils. It is not my loving and admiring and respecting them and their leaders that will get them out of their deception, but strong words saying that they are heading for hell and they are hated by God and God-loving Christians if they continue in their activities.
---frances008 on 12/19/08


To Whosoever has an ear to hear?

God's Perfect Love isn't in us if we're holding hate for anything or the fear that come with hate. This love referred to on 12/17/08, "Fear of something bad happening to someone else is LOVE", isn't the 'Perfect Love of God'. There's NO FEAR nor HATE, associated with Perfect Love.

1John4:16 God is love, and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

17Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

18There is no fear in love, but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

I pray this is edifying to all. God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/19/08


Frances~ How true that true love warns people away from eternal wrath and the Lake of Fire. Sometimes I think people forget what 'Salvation' really means...it means we're 'Saved from hell' if we turn from our abominable sins.

It's really something how the 'angel of light'/Satan has made love seem like something 'wishy-washy', and not as something powerful that can even move 'mountains.' 'Mountains' as seemingly unsurmountable as deeply ingrained false indoctrinations and false religions.
---Anne on 12/18/08


--Frances008:

FYI~FEAR of the Lord, isn't the same fear that is associated with 'HATE'. Fear in hate causes torment, anxiety & worry, leaving you wanting to run away from God's Love. While FEAR of the Lord is God's Love, leading us toward Him for our eternal survival!

I'm not here to analyze writing minds. Everytime I post, I'm in hopes of edifying and being edified by the discerning process of the 'Good News'. I've given you the things of the spirit, yet you still feel that the Lord's Good News is twisting the way your mind writes. Maybe it's an indication that your mind isn't straght with the Lord.

If you don't want your 'WRITING MIND' corrected, then by all means STOP posting it, and start posting the Word of God.
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/18/08


--Frances008:**Its's wishy washy, sissy Christians that have said 'Love, love, love'***. We had better fear God, hate sin, and run from it**

If you feel, Loving God with all my heart, soul and mind (having no room for HATE)means that I'm a 'wishy washy, sissy' then I guess TO YOU "I'M A WISHY WASHY, SISSY"

BTW~You really CAN'T believe that this Love weakens the power of God's Word~Christ?

You're right though to fear God. But the Lord said Resist the devil, and he will flee from you(James 4:7).

Frances, STOP trying to out-run sin! NO ONE CAN RUN THAT FAST!!! If you submit to the Lord's command to just RESIST (NOT HATE) the temptations of the devil, the devil and the evil sin he insues will flee from YOU!
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/17/08


Its's wishy washy, sissy Christians that have said 'Love, love, love' and taken all the power out of Christianity. We had better fear God, hate sin, and run from it, if we know what is good for us. Fear has a positive role in human survival. It tells us when to run away. Lack of courage is different, cowardly behaviour will be written into the book of things we have done and will not be looked on with favour because it goes against the law of love which would seek to protect others at all costs. Fear of something bad happening to someone else is LOVE. Love warns people away from eternal wrath and the Lake of Fire. I won't have my writing mind controlled by psychologists who twist words and analyze them to death.
---frances008 on 12/17/08


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Shaun, and others with seeker friendly, exclusive resort-like clubs, I mean churches....it is by refusing to call a spade a spade, that you have taken the church into apostasy. Well, it don't bother me because I don't attend any of your clubs. No, it's too dangerous for real Christians to go to church any more. They might be persuaded of one of the zillion fraudulent gospels doing the rounds to delight and entertain those who aspire to climbing the ladder of success at their church.
---frances008 on 12/17/08


--Frances008:**He wants us to hate the sin so much that we actually do not do it again.**

Think love Love LOVE!!!!

Frances, What the Lord want for us, is for us to desire to be made perfect in His LOVE. I substain from sin not because I hate it, but because 'I Love God'!!

The word 'HATE' is strongly associated with 'FEAR' and for many reason, I avoid them both like the plague! The main reason, in response to your above statement, is that 'The Perfect Love of God casteth out Fear' because fear has torment and he that feareth is not made perfect in love(1John4:18).

It's the Love of God & neighbor which enables us to adhear to all the law and the prophets, and keeps us from fulfilling the lustful sins of the flesh.
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/16/08


---Frances008:**Shaun, I'm sorry but I think God wants more than for us to ask him to forgive us. He wants us to hate the sin so much that we actually do not do it again. Only when you reach that point are you at true repentance.***

Frances, True repentance doesn't come from the hate of a fearful heart.
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/17/08


Shaun, I'm sorry but I think God wants more than for us to ask him to forgive us. He wants us to hate the sin so much that we actually do not do it again. Only when you reach that point are you at true repentance. We need to see ourselves the way God sees us. A holy, holy, pure God. It's so fashionable to say that we ought not to judge one another. In fact, it is up to the saints to declare the day of repentance and lead people to God, and we cannot do that without pointing out their sins after having got rid of our own sins. When we have reached a point in which we are determined not to wilfully sin ever again.
---frances008 on 12/16/08


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---Frank:***Now I see its not the law of sin. They are forgiven.
But the law of this word is to keep the law of sin, do you see this!---Frank on 11/20/08***

Frank, Although the Lord has forgiven our sins, the law of sin which is finished in Christ still exist.If you're still looking to the 'law of sin' for refuge, then you'll need to keep the WHOLE law to receive forgiven, which can't be done by men.

If you're not abiding in the Law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus through faith, then you haven't received the forgiveness of the Lord for your sin and no one receives His forgiveness until they ask(repent unto)the Lord.

Read Romans 8:2, to understand that through faith we're no longer under the law of sin & death!
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/15/08


Catherine, don't be deceived. Any man claiming to be a true preacher but preaches the scriptures incorrectly, CANNOT BE A TRUE PREACHER -- he is a FALSE PREACHER.

"And how shall they preach, except they be sent?.."(Rom.10:15)

A preacher is one whom God sent. No man can claim he's a preacher if he wasn't sent by God. How do we know the true preacher that was sent by God?

"He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh His glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him." (Jhn.7:18)

A true preacher seeks the glory of God who sent him.. AND there is no unrighteousness in his words because what he preaches is not his own but God's words.
---manny on 11/28/08


catherine: "Some false preachers seems to do better at preaching scriptures than the trues. The thing is, the false do not have the living God in them, nor the power of the living God upon them."

Some? Try all. And most Christians, if not all, are following them blindly.

"I realize that this revelation is most strange, nontheless it is one."

Strange? Not at all. For it's written that a delusion will ecompass the entire world where even the elect could be fooled into believing it. If the elect can be fooled, how much more will the Christian be fooled.
---Steveng on 11/26/08


Test me and you'll see who's son I am,
I claim the Most High and creator of ALL things that are made as My Father, the God of Abraham, Issac & Jacob...

The God who's voice came from Heaven and said"This IS my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased"(Jesus), That IS my Father & his Son Jesus IS my Brother...

The wedding day is being prepared, Come, let us ready ourselves for the Groom's(Jesus)
coming, trim your wicks and fill you lamps so they burn brightly, Lift up your hands unto him, your redemption draws nearer & nearer everyday!
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/26/08


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Well, here is my chance Jesus in what I think I have come up with lately from you.>>> There are some true preachers of God that are not preaching scriptures correctly. Some are more anointed than others. How to tell the trues from the false preachers, prophets, is getting to be a nightmare for all of us. God help us, please. Note: Some false preachers seems to do better at preaching scriptures than the trues. The thing is, the false do not have the living God in them, nor the power of the living God upon them. I realize that this revelation is most strange, nontheless it is one. Good day.
---catherine on 11/25/08


Elisabeth, the answer to your original question is quite long, but some of the verses which would explain the answer are:

2Pet3:16 "..some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest..."

Dan.12:10 "...none of the wicked shall understand..."

Prov.8:9 "...they are plain to him that understandeth, and right to them that find knowledge."

Rom.10:15 "...how shall they preach, except they be sent?..."
---manny on 11/25/08


Trav: "Two men of understanding above. Very well written.
60 years old this generation is. The average life is......
Amen...it can be soon."

The glory goes to God. I'm just a messenger.
---Steveng on 11/24/08


"this generation" is the generation that the prophesies in Matthew 24 was talking about - our generation today. May 14, 1948 is when the fig tree started sprouting. This date is the beginning of sorrows. Compare the world in 1948 to the present world and you'll discover that the world has change more during the past sixty years than all the history before that time. And may I add, to the worst.
---Steveng on 11/21/08

Amen steveng!
That Generation(48')is old and has almost passed!
SO,
WE know it's SOON!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/23/08

Two men of understanding above. Very well written.
60 years old this generation is. The average life is......
Amen...it can be soon.
---Trav on 11/24/08


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Have you not understood the parable of the fig tree? The "falling away" shouldn't be the focus (or as you wrote "especially"), but of Israel, more specifically, Jerusalem. "this generation" is the generation that the prophesies in Matthew 24 was talking about - our generation today. May 14, 1948 is when the fig tree started sprouting. This date is the beginning of sorrows. Compare the world in 1948 to the present world and you'll discover that the world has change more during the past sixty years than all the history before that time. And may I add, to the worst.
---Steveng on 11/21/08

Amen steveng!
That Generation(48')is old and has almost passed!
SO,
WE know it's SOON!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/23/08


Steveng~ well I was born in 1967, and was not around in 1948, but I trust what you say about the world's condition changing for the worse since that time. Yes, the world is in rebellion against God, and we are ruled by preachers/priests who are 'blind leading the blind.' God has turned this world over to be ruled by Satan since we do not fear God's holy word any longer. If you have any more insights on this topic please expand.
---Anne on 11/22/08


The answer to this question is though they claim to be of and sent by God, in actuality they are Servant of Satan masqurading as people of God, 2 Corinthians 11:13-15, Romans 1:18-32, and 2 Peter Chapter Two.

But people do not know these things because they do not follow the command which is found in 2 Timothy 2:15-19, and they do not follow the example which is found in Acts 17:11.
---Rob on 11/22/08


Stevan:-Jack"when does the kingdome come?"
WHEN THE SAINTS COME MARCHING 'HOME"THE SPRITE IN ME SPARKLES -AT TIMES.I just could not resist -Mod be kind and patient PL.
---Mic on 11/22/08


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Someone here said women should not teach, and they are not living it!
They are making them selves a liar!
If you dont see this! You are in the dark.
---Frank on 11/19/08
If you'll look under the door you'll see a crack with light showing. Open the door.

If you're referring to me above...thank you.

Women should teach. Just not Men. Men should be men. Leaders. Masculine. Not effeminate. Adam first, Eve.

There are many women heroes, women it's noted were blessed in scripture. Christ was born of woman, women first to find him gone.
God set the order. One's that change this....well...this is not livin it.

Won't be the Ms. Apostlets judging them in Rev. Will be Apostles as men of Israel.
---Trav on 11/22/08


jack: "When does the Kingdom come?"

We don't know, only the Father knows, but we do know because He has given us signs like when Israel, in one day, became a nation.

"Did it already come at the time of Jesus..."

No. The gospel that was preached by Jesus and the apostles was the Kingdom of God and how to get there. When Jesus said that the kingdom is within us, he meant that Christians are no longer inhabitants of the world, but inhabitants of the literal Kingdom yet to come. Think about an immigrant before coming to America saying in his heart, "I'm going to become an American."
---Steveng on 11/21/08


Anne: "...the prophecy of the Bible is being more and more fulfilled... Especially in the area of the 'falling away'..."

Have you not understood the parable of the fig tree? The "falling away" shouldn't be the focus (or as you wrote "especially"), but of Israel, more specifically, Jerusalem. "this generation" is the generation that the prophesies in Matthew 24 was talking about - our generation today. May 14, 1948 is when the fig tree started sprouting. This date is the beginning of sorrows. Compare the world in 1948 to the present world and you'll discover that the world has change more during the past sixty years than all the history before that time. And may I add, to the worst.
---Steveng on 11/21/08


People say they believe in the word of GOD but Yet speculate and try to ascertain.Like the parable of the foolish bridesmaids. But the message is Clear Mark13:32-37Luke17:26-27,34-35Be watchful at all times Be Prepared.It is not when it will happen but are you prepared to meet the Happening.
---Mic on 11/21/08


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Jack~ I think, but am not sure, that the moderator thinks this is the end of the end times because the prophecy of the Bible is being more and more fulfilled that refers to the end. Especially in the area of the 'falling away'...it is very clear to see that preachers and teachers are not carefully teaching the full word of God, but are more focused on traditions and pleasing men.
---Anne on 11/21/08


Steveng,
Let me get this straight. When does the Kingdom come? Did it already come at the time of Jesus and is it here all around us or does it come after the end times? Or are there two different Kingdoms? A Kingdom coming seems to be the emphasis on why there would be an end-times but I may be wrong.
---jack on 11/21/08


Moderator
I agree wholeheartedly. With every wind of doctrine and philosophy of man,people who have no knowlege of God sway with the direction of the breeze. I believe most are simply ignorant of the God revealed in scripture. Unregenerated church-goers have itching ears. They don't want to know God. They want to feel good about themselves and be told they can have anything they want. I'm speaking as someone who was raised in a prosperity church. If the preacher does preach the gospel, everyone zones out. If he preaches health and wealth everyone gets happy, jumps, screams and runs up and down the aisle. God has given them exactly what they wanted!
---Kai on 11/20/08


jack: "Christians have thought they were living in the end times since the beginning of Christianity because of the way Jesus worded the events -this generation will not pass away-."

Allow me to explain. "This gerneration" refers to the generation they were talking about at that time.

"...even to the point of selling everything they had and living in a group to wait for the Lord to come. Since you know we are in the end-times, would your faith allow you to do the same?"

Ezekiel had the same thoughts and turned to God. God's reply was to continue what he was doing. In other words, don't change your lifestyle. Christians are to go out into the world, not hide from it.
---Steveng on 11/20/08


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Now I see its not the law of sin. They are forgiven.
But the law of this word is to keep the law of sin, do you see this!
So long as we keep looking at one another, in sin. We are keeping are sin.

My lord said all sins will be forgiven, but we say, no you must believe in him! First!
This can not be, he did or he did not! So, to me he did. I believe its done!

God forgive me, but I will stop here! I can not tell you what I see, you will not believe me. You will fight me. It is better you believe it all by yourself.
God keep you in his heart
God bless you.
---Frank on 11/20/08


I am sure everyone here loves God. I do not doubt this. I am making it real to myself.
Hold up am I nuts, I am making it real, not god?

Everyone here believe they must follow the law of God or at least try to. Am I, right?
Well this is why Im lost to the world! I dont!
Not that I am aloud to break the law of God. For it is the law.
But one who know, I do break the law, in this, I break all the law. All laws!
Now, knowing this, can I go to you and said you are a sinner? What give me that right?
Not God, he told you, I will judge, I alone!

More coming!
---Frank on 11/20/08


Whatever you understand when you read the bible, is what you are going to believe.
Right or wrong! If you are with someone and they see it, they will believe it.
As it is written!

Everyone on earth believes they have the truth in front of them.
Not understanding it is not the truth, it is your perception of the truth.
As you see it!

Can I ask you something?
The Holy Bible The holy Word of God the most high!
Is it about the law of God, or is it all the truth there is?
Because, if it all the truth there is, there is no need for the Spirit of Truth?

This is why, the truth is not in the law!
Good Luck!
---frank on 11/20/08


Whatever you understand when you read the bible, is what you are going to believe.
Right or wrong! If you are with someone and they see it, they will believe it.
As it is written!

Everyone on earth believes they have the truth in front of them.
Not understanding it is not the truth, it is your perception of the truth.
As you see it!

Can I ask you something?
The Holy Bible The holy Word of God the most high!
Is it about the law of God, or is it all the truth there is?
Because, if it all the truth there is, there is no need for the Spirit of Truth?

This is why, the truth is not in the law!
Good Luck!
---Frank on 11/20/08


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I agree with the moderator,
It is prophecied that this will happen.
2 Peter Chapter 2
1 John Chapter 2:18-27
1 Timothy 4

These are scripture that says what is going on is the truth and is part of the great falling away.
God bless
---miche3754 on 11/20/08


Moderator,
Christians have thought they were living in the end times since the beginning of Christianity because of the way Jesus worded the events -this generation will not pass away-. Paul and the apostles thought the end was imminent 2,000 years ago, even to the point of selling everything they had and living in a group to wait for the Lord to come. Since you know we are in the end-times, would your faith allow you to do the same?
---jack on 11/20/08


If you believe anything in the bible, you are to live your life that way! Is this not true?
And if you dont, you are a liar! Now and in that day your words will lie.

Here we go again!
The truth is not in the law, the law is in the truth! Find the truth!
I know you feel, as I feel time is running out!

Someone here said women should not teach, and they are not living it!
They are making them selves a liar!
If you dont see this! You are in the dark.

Gal 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
---Frank on 11/19/08


Satan is the father of confusion. And what better way to confuse people than to create denominational "churches." It's the greatest delusion in history. Each church has their own traditions,ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible. Christians bicker among each other about whose church is better. Members of the same denomination bicker among themsleves. A newly born Christian then asks, "What church should I belong?" Then he chooses a church that satisfies his itching ear.

There is no harmony among today's so-called Christians.

Besides, the word "church" is the people, the Christians. Jesus is returning to join with (marry) His people, not a building, non-profit corporation, or a denomination.
---Steveng on 11/19/08


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So, how do you escape the denominational church trap?

The names of the "churches" in the Bible are nothing more than locations of groups of Christians for identification purposes.

The way to escape is to form your own little group of five or six devouted Christians and meet in each other's home daily. Do an online Bible search for "one another" and "each other" as a starting point about what to do. If your group becomes too big, split it so you don't lose the intimacy abomg the members. The leader of the first group should always stay in contact with the second group leader like they did in the bible.

Why daily? Living a Christian life is a daily battle, not a once a week battle.
---Steveng on 11/19/08


--Rob:**why FALSE TEACHERS tell people they will be healed if they send money**

It's because they love money....and this was not part of your original question!!


**if they have the power to heal.**

Rob, All healing power, no matter what from it appears in, is from God.


**why FALSE TEACHERS go to doctors and cannot heal themselves**

Is it wrong to go to a doctor? Do you believe when we go to a doctors we're exhibiting a lack of our faith in God.

The Word of the Lord's has warned us of the wrongs of the world. What more is there to think of? I believe it's best if we spend our time discerning and walking-in the TRUTH of God's Word, than just setting around thinking about false-hoods!!
---Shawn_M.T. on 11/19/08


Frank, What can you say?

If you are trying to get a point across, say it in a way that makes sense and can clearly be understood by people regaless of their level of education.
---Rob on 11/19/08


--Frank:**now if you are one that lies, how can anyone believe you?**

Our beliefs are in the Spirit not one another. We're to seek discernment of what is before us, and the TRUTH shall be revealed to us who believe by faith.

--Frank:**You can still speak, they will listen, but your words will die.***

The Spirit doesn't need us to have faith, for Him to speak through us and the words He speaks, is the Word of the Lord and His Word like Him is not DEAD. Look at the High Priest Caiaphas who's faith was dead, but still the Spirit prophesied through him about Christ in John 11:49-51. If your faith is dead, like Caiaphas, then your EARS are dead and the Word will APPEAR dead TO YOU but not to us who belive by faith.
---Shawn_M.T. on 11/19/08


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--Frank:***So, if you believe this, you are to live it. Is this not true! (Nice and slow)***

This is true!! Living the Word is the works that keeps our faith alive.


--Frank:**Now, if you believe this thing and you do not live it. Does this make you one that lies? Yes it does!***

No it doesn't and this is NOT TRUE!! By not doing the works of living the Word, doesn't make us or the Word we speak a lie, it just makes our faith dead.
---Shawn_M.T. on 11/19/08


Shawn M.T. that does not answer the question why FALSE TEACHERS tell people they will be healed if they send money.

It also does not answer the question why FALSE TEACHERS go to doctors and cannot heal themselves if they have the power to heal.

Shawn M.T. have you ever thought about how many people have died because they sent their money to these FALSE TEACHERS, instead of using their money to see a Doctor?
---Rob on 11/18/08


What can I, a man, say?

I know you can only understand what God allows you to.
I now hope, you are not offended, this is not a game with me!
Rob, look to your heart, do you really think you can in anyway offend me.
Brother, you do not know me. But know, as I know! We know nothing!
As we should!

So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses. (I hope, you see and live this)

Why I am, the way I am, I dont know. Should I now blame God!
I see what is in front of me, not what is behind me.

Forgive everyone is brother!
---Frank on 11/18/08


Rob~ that reply made me laugh, and to be honest, what he said made no sense to me either.
---Anne on 11/17/08


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Rob~ that reply made me laugh, and to be honest, what he said made no sense to me either.
---Anne on 11/17/08


--Rob: **I have asked many people and no one has ever been able to give an answer is this, IF THESE FALSE TEACHERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO HEAL PEOPLE AS THEY CLAIM, WHY CAN'T THEY HEAL THEMSESLVES, WHY TO THEY HAVE DOCTORS, AND WHY DO THEY WEAR GLASSES**

The answer you seek is in 2Cor.12:4-10!!

Paul asked this same question to God. Paul felt that if the Lord would just remove his thorn of infirmities, "HE COULD DO SO MUCH MORE" for the Lord.

The Lord told Paul, My Grace is suffient because it is His grace alone that heals all things. His strength is made perfect in the weakness of our thorns of infirmities that plague us. For when we are weak in this way before the Lord, is when we are strong with the Lord.
---Shawn_M.T. on 11/17/08


Frank, I have the desire to share a few things with you with the hope of not causing you to become offended.

I have read over and over the things you have written trying to undertstand them.

To be honest, they make no sense.
---Rob on 11/17/08


Rob~ I appreciate the fact that you and a few others on this site who are here speaking boldly, directly, and accurately, yet with patience and kindness as well. I also enjoyed what you just said about false teachers needing doctors. Hope you continue to share God's truths faithfully and boldly, yet with patience and love.
---Anne on 11/17/08


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Rob~ I appreciate the fact that you and a few others on this site who are here speaking boldly, directly, and accurately, yet with patience and kindness as well. I also enjoyed what you just said about false teachers needing doctors. Hope you continue to share God's truths faithfully and boldly, yet with patience and love.
---Anne on 11/17/08


Wow this is so true today. I guess all one has to do is read. I see some here
(say they believe) speak (as if they know) the lord word (the bible.)

So, if you believe this, you are to live it.
Is this not true! (Nice and slow)

Now, if you believe this thing and you do not live it.
Does this make you one that lies?
Yes it does!

So now if you are one that lies, how can anyone believe you?
You can still speak, they will still listen, but your words will die.
I said this, in the light! So some wont say, he speaks in the dark!
As some do!

Call no one a liar! Let them declare it themselves.
---Frank on 11/17/08


Josh, FALSE TEACHERS are easy to spot if people open their eyes and open their Bibles.

FALSE TEACHERS tell people over and over again if they want a financial blessing, if they want to receive a miracle, or be healed, to send them money.

A question I have asked many people over and over again, and no one has ever been able to give an answer is this, IF THESE FALSE TEACHERS HAVE THE ABILITY TO HEAL PEOPLE AS THEY CLAIM, WHY CAN'T THEY HEAL THEMSESLVES, WHY TO THEY HAVE DOCTORS, AND WHY DO THEY WEAR GLASSES?.
---Rob on 11/17/08


And let me tell you and believe me pick your words. The every word you say will come back to you. You are judging yourself by your words. Every time you kill, I know you can say I never kill anyone. Think again, I know what I am telling you. Listen to me please for the love of God! It is not your sins, he told you, I will forgive. So they are forgiven. I know we will all sin again an again, know you are a sinner. Feel bad, you should, but for me a sin to tell you, you must not sin again or he will turn from you. You are killing the faith of Christ. God help me here!
Try to understand!
---Frank on 11/16/08


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i think that the false preachers will be rather hard to spot the bible basically says that he tells us what we want to hear, than aren't things like T.V. and video games false preachers? they show terrible unspeakable things every day. do we really want to see that?
---josh on 11/16/08


Now if you know you have the love of god in you.
Now pickup the bible and read it, word by word, line by line, page by page and see. Yes see if it read the same. It will not read the same now you understand it, have the mine of Christ! Now you are not reading it, you are thinking it. Now his word will make you cry! Every time you read it. Every time you hear it. Yes and every time you think of it! Every time! You can not stop it. You tell yourself your nuts, and yes you are, for no one, no one will believe you. But you are not alone now, now you dont care what anyone think.
---Frank on 11/16/08


Thank You Anne.

It is my desire for people to know GOD'S TRUTHS, John 8:31-32.

It is so sad and really grieves my heart that so many people are being held captive and in bondage by Satan and his servants. This is because so many people do not know GOD'S TRUTHS, 2 Timothy 2:22-26, and Romans 5:1

These FALSE TEACHERS claim to be spreading the Gospel around the world, but they do not want people to know the Gospel they are spreading is not the Gospel of Christ, Galatians 1:6-10.
---Rob on 11/16/08


Anne

Im sorry but Rhonda and a lot of you have some ways of looking at the lord. Making him some kind of unknown, god! To teach him you must know him! You can not learn him from a book. He must call you, reveal himself to you, just to start. Do you think if you see him you will believe? Yes, for the moment you will. But, once he is gone you will full away. Now the fight begin, not your fight his. If you can understand this, you have seen him! Yes seen the lord! And you are left with a love you can not understand!
It is this love that you must fight to keep! This blesses love! The love of God!
---Frank on 11/16/08


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Rhonda

Hello again, let me start by saying in the name of the lord.
Rhonda, you are not following the way you see his word, I am a man. Rhonda a man!
I believe, you told me not to listen to you. But, here again you are wrong! I will tell you even those who believe just on his name will be saved. Sad to know you do not believe him, over yourself and your teachers. Rhonda! Just so you know me better, I have no teacher, I follow no man. I believe only in one teacher, the one the lord gives me.
The Holy Spirit!

But first you must say a woman can teach and why or this will come to an end!
---Frank on 11/16/08


Rob and Rhonda~ Those are some true and wise thoughts.
---Anne on 11/16/08


Satan is subtle and Satan uses people.

There are so many places which call thenselves churches which are packed, yet the teaching in these places are so far from being truth.

People fall for false teaching because they fail to follow the command which is found in 2 Timothy 2:14-19 or follow the example found in Acts 17:11.

Also there are manny people who are haters of God and haters of His Truths.
---Rob on 11/16/08


There are so many subtle signs that are right in front of people which expose FALSE TEACHERS for who they are.

But so many people are ignorant of these signs and do not see these signs because the a blind to God's Truths.,
---Rob on 11/16/08


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****
For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(Anyone who call on him will be saved)
Anyone at anytime anywhere!
****

NOT true by taking one verse and building a FALSE DOCTRINE around this verse you have called God a liar in dozens of other verses

easy to do when you listen to false ministers who TELL you what to believe

True Christians know that one must REPENT be baptized in the name of Christ to receive the Holy Spirit (Acts 2:38, 5:32)

professing Christians do not have Gods Spirit ...and they are none of Christs (Matt 15:7-9, Rom 8:9)
---Rhonda on 11/16/08


Birds of a feather flock together, Romans 1:32.

I consider the top Servants of Satan who are masquuerading as people of God to be Mike Murdock, Benny Hinn, and Kenneth Copeland.

They all tell you that if you want to receive a blessing from God, you need to sow a seed (send money) to their ministry.

They will not tell you that sowing seed has nothing to do with money but is sharing God's Truths, Mark 4:13-20.

They also will not tell you that God cannot be bought Acts 8:20-24.

This is because they fall in the catagory of what is written in Romans 1:18:32, and 2 Peter Chapter Two.

They have decieved people into doing what we are instructed not to do in Matthew 6:19-21.
---Rob on 11/16/08


Frank~please read the book of IJohn, which gives some very specific truths concerning the difference between those who are saved, and those who are not. We all know that the Bible says much more about salvation than merely repeating words such as "Lord I receive you in my heart." Some people do say those words with true conviction, but most others are merely repeating the words like a robot as evidenced by the fact that their lives never grow any closer to the Lord.
---Anne on 11/16/08


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