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Fate Of The Backslidden

If a person falls away from God for quite some time and lives a life of sin after they have been saved, does that mean they were never saved to begin with?

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In the parable of the prodigal son, was the son not a son before he took his inheritance and considered his father as good as dead? Any son or daughter of God can fall down just like anyone elses child can. We're learning how to walk in the grace that the angels fell from. A man falls down seven times, but the man of God gets up 8. We were saved. We're being saved. And we shall be saved. It is the regeneration of the Holy Spirit. Jesus takes us from faith to faith. From strength to strength. From glory to glory. Yes, you can be saved and backslide. It is actually the process of being broken and remolded as clay!
---Bryan on 1/29/09

Unless a person themselves have been in a state of backslidden they will never fully understand or have compassion maybe even mercy on the one that is or was. God has told us that we go through trials and tribulations so we can be more sensitive to those around us that are going through the same or like ordeal. Those in the church body who place condemnation on those that are backslidden should be careful of judgement on themselves. God has a long line, so to speak on the his children. He will let us go for awhile and then bring us back. Our Father who will, "never leave you nor forsake you". Pray and be kind and let God work the miracle of redemption. He cannot disown his own and his mercy endures forever!!!!
---Debbee on 1/16/09

Proverbs 14:14,
"The BACKSLIDER in heart shall be filled with his own ways: and a good man shall be satisfied.
---mima on 1/15/09

What is a backslidder? Cant find it in the Gospels
---calhoon on 1/15/09

The backslider is afraid of suffering. He dreams of a nicer, smoother, road to travel. I find in Proverbs 14: 11-14, that God is not at all pleased with backsliders. That they have their reward. Even when they laugh there is no inner peace or joy, for such a fool. [no lasting satisfaction] Their mirth leads them only to the madness of despondency. A universal truth>>>[1] salvation is for all who knows God and [2] judgment is for all who are unbelievers in heart.
---catherine on 1/14/09

Since it is impossible to obtain salvation from any other that the Holy Spirit. It seems very obvious that the backslider must return again to the one who sacrificed for him the Lord Jesus Christ. Our righteousness consists in Lord Jesus Christ whether or not we are a 50 year Christian or a 50 minute Christian or any time Christian in between or a backslidden Christian.
---mima on 1/14/09

There is only one salvation, "For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened and hav tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame"
It is impossible to be saved again and again. Only one sacrifice. Anything else is false interpretation.
---MarkV. on 1/12/09

Here you see a brother becoming a sinner again and becoming converted again, and is saved from death again. Poof Texts: James 5:19,20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him, Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his, way, shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins
---TRU-DOG on 1/10/09

This is to the Brethren of the Faith... Poof Texts: James 5:19,20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him, Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his, way, shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 1:14.15 But ever man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed, Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
---TRU-DOG on 1/10/09

Samuel, you said it was a false accusation that I made. your answer on what Calvin and Arminian theology say about salvation is wrong. Maybe you have not studied this teachings. Many make a lot of comments about things they know little about. They don't study about the topic or taken classes and yet speak as if they have the studies down perfect.
I believe before a person says this is wrong and that is wrong, they should first know what they are talking about. How can it be fair to the subject at hand or to the person you tell he has given a false accusation? Can you give me one writing from the 5 points of Arminian or Calvinistic points where it says what you said?
---MarkV. on 12/28/08

Mark V.~ It is fine for you to disagree, don't worry, you are always gracious and humble.

You know, before you mentioned that word "Arminianism", I was not even familiar with the word, so I copied off several things from the computer so I could study up on it a bit. So obviously I am no expert on the subject. 90 plus percent of the time, I study the Bible on these issues. I found quite a few different belief patterns concernings "Arminianism", and the "Wesley Arminianism" (founder of Methodist Church) is the view that made the most sense to me according to the Bible.

I'll have to study what you wrote later since I have to be going. Have a good day!
---Anne on 12/27/08

Mark V. ~ which of those 5 points you listed do you agree with, and which ones do you disagree with?
---Anne on 12/27/08

Many believers committed gross sin. David committed murder and adultery and allowed sin to go unconfessed for at least a year. Yes, examples like him and Lot, and many others. "David did what was right in the sight of the Lord, and had not turned aside from anything that He commanded him all the days of his life, except in the case of Uriah the Hittite"
If a person is not been chasten by God and continues in his sins, his an illegitimate child of God, not born again. "What son is there whom his father does not discipline? But if you are without discipline, of which all have become partakers, Then you are illegitimate children and not sons" Heb. 12:7-8.
---MarkV. on 12/27/08


If you search the word of God, you will find what a backslidder really is.

When Israel backslid,****

Donna the problem here is the Church is not Backslidden Israel a NATION. Unless you want to accuse the WHOLE CHURCH of being backslidden? Israel was under LAW, and no one could keep the law...not even today. So today the only thing an INDIVIDUAL can do is fall from grace...Paul states in Galatians....falling from Grace is that of going back under LAW for your sanctification!

The term backslidden is not used in the NT Church. One can fall from Grace, but you can't fall from or backslide from Justification. It's so important to understand justification before you can understand sanctification.
---kathr4453 on 12/27/08

Anne, I am sorry to disagree with your assumption about Arminianism. Here is what they believe:
1. God elects or reproves on the basis of foreseen faith or unbelief.
2. Christ died for all men and for every man, although only believers are saved.
3. Man is so depraved that divine grace is necessary unto faith or any good deed.
4. This grace may be resisted.
5. Whether all who are truly regenerate will certainly persevere in teh faith is a point which needs further investigation. The last article was later altered so as to definitely teach the possibility of the truly regenerate believer's losing his faith ad thus losing his salvation. Many other Arminian's believe the opposite on the last one point. OSAS.
---MarkV. on 12/26/08

Samuel~ Yes, Arminianism is nothing like Catholicism.

Arminianism holds to the following:

- Humans are unable to make any effort towards salvation.
-Salvation is possible only by God's grace, which cannot be merited.
-No works of human effort can cause or contribute to salvation.

The only major difference between Calvinism and Arminianism is Calvinism believes God forces election to a select few. While Arminianism believes God allows men to choose to accept or deny His grace. Also God's grace is not limited to a select few, but rather Christ's atonement was made on behalf of all people.
---Anne on 12/23/08

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Donna ~ I like what you said, but I believe God does give all people who backslide a chance and hope if they sincerely return to the Lord with all their heart and mind.

God gave Israel many chances to return because of His longsuffering and mercy. He usually had to lead them through dire circumstances to get them to 'wake-up' and want to return to God since they were so stubborn in their rebelliousness.

Hopefully God will lead America and the world to the point where we need to 'wake-up' and realize we need God more than anything, and we had better learn to obey Him.
---Anne on 12/19/08

If you search the word of God, you will find what a backslidder really is.

When Israel backslid, they turned their heart completely away from Jehovah God and they worshipped false gods.

If you are in sin, yet your heart still loves the Lord, you're not backslidden, you're in sin. And the wages of sin is death. Repent quickly and you will be restored.

There was no hope for Israel once they backslid which was when they went and worshipped false gods. That's why God did what He did to them and then the Gentiles had a chance of salvation.

Study this in the Old Testament, start with Deuteronomy, Numbers, 1st & 2nd Chronicles, Isaiah, Jeremiah, etc.,
---donna8365 on 12/19/08

If I joined one, I would be right back to the RCC theology, and I had come out of there because of their Armimian believes.
Their works and deeds for salvation. Many teach the same principles in many churches though they call themselves Protestant. They can talk about how bad the RCC is but in reality they believe in the same believes but differences in other things.

This is a false accusation. Armenians believe in Salvation by Grace. Both Calvins and Arminans believe that the saved will live like they are saved. The difference those who follow Calvin believe Christians are forced to. Arminans believe they choose to.
---Samuel on 12/19/08

Anne, I understand very well your concern. It is very hard to find a good teaching church. When I moved I had to go to about twenty or so before I found one that was not Armimian in theology. If I joined one, I would be right back to the RCC theology, and I had come out of there because of their Armimian believes.
Their works and deeds for salvation. Many teach the same principles in many churches though they call themselves Protestant. Some Baptist have turn around, and its has been happening for a long time now in every denomination. People go because they are happy there not because it is biblical. They can talk about how bad the RCC is but in reality they believe in the same believes but differences in other things.
---MarkV. on 12/19/08

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JH~ Backsliding means to fall back into wrongdoing or a bad habit after once walking in a better way. It is like going astray (going away from the right path into an evil or undesirable course of life.)
---Anne on 12/18/08

What would be a few definitions of backsliding?
---JH on 12/18/08

Mark V.~ Yes you're absolutely right, the more we learn about God, the more we get convicted of our sins, and to walk even more humbly and pure. But you get what my concern is about churches right?.. and that often people are not getting convicted of sin in churches which can often lead to many going astray. It is tough to find faithful churches now.
---Anne on 12/16/08

Mark V.~We have churches out there where the blind are leading the blind and I find this to be very very unsettling to say the least. These churches are not teaching and preaching sound doctrine. How do people GET convicted if almost NO one is preaching these warnings or even at least strongly telling us to Read the Bible and obey it.

Churches are leading people on the path to destruction with false securities and cowardly leadership.

This is what I have been sharing because churches are usually to blame for why people fall away/backslide/go astray. I'm not ignorant of the Bible by a long shot so I know this falling away is meant to happen, but I'm going to do all in my power to make it clear.
---Anne on 12/16/08

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Duane~ Yes, faith is the answer, as long as we're building our faith on the truths of God's word and not on the very common deceits of man. (Especially now in the last days when God warns us of very perilous times as I've mentioned about in a fair amount of detail below.)
---Anne on 12/16/08

Anne, of course God warns us all the time. That is what the whole of the New Testament is about. Let me explain Anne. When you come to Christ, you don't know much about conduct moral issues. God, through His word, speaks against certain things, which then convict us when we read it, and we now know not to do them. The more we read the more we know, the more the Spirit convicts us. As we are been sanctified, we are continuing to learn more and more and we are changing more. God uses those warnings and teachings to change us through the power of the Holy Spirit continually convicting us of our wrongs. Yet never will we be sinless. As a matter of fact we will know more of what sin is and recognize it the longer we live a Christian life.
---MarkV. on 12/16/08

Anne,Let me ask as Jesus was asked. What are the works we must do? Also, how do we produce perfect obedience? Yes, we (Christians) are all very safe if we live through faith in HIM. To say we are not safe is to show lack of faith and love. I have no doubt Im safe because I believe and love HIM. I truely REST in HIM. Now my LORD can do HIS work through me because I gave my life to HIM.Dont boast of YOUR works, better to surrender your life.(trust HIM/love HIM)
---duane on 12/16/08

II Tim 4:2- "Preach the Word!' Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers,and they will turn their ears away from truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be Watchful in All things, Endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry."

To be perfectly honest, I do not know any such diligent, passionate, zealous, no-nonsense preachers. We are not heaping up preachers like this, but people who are telling us smooth deceptions and making us believe we are all 'safe' with God.
---Anne on 12/15/08

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Duane~ Yes of course we are saved by grace through faith...but how do we attain that faith?...It does not come from hearing the smooth deceptive words of men who try to make us feel like we're safe with God, rather faith comes from hearing the Word of God and living in Obedience to it. 'Faith comes by Hearing the Word of God,'

The problem is few are living in obedience to God's word. They don't want preachers who tell us to obey God's word, they want preachers who tell us 'don't worry child, you are safe with God.' I don't trust men's deceptions, I trust God's word alone. That is what I put my faith in, and that is how I know I'm walking as a true child of God.
---Anne on 12/15/08

But I guess we should not be surprised by the preachers of our day for as it says in II Corinthians11:13-15-
"For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works."

(Angel of light
I see you glow in the night,
But you only bring darkness to my soul...
Angel of light
You're telling me wrong is right,
But I won't let your evil take control.)
---Anne on 12/15/08

.markv, people divorce God all the time, right now even as I right this there are hundreds of thousands of souls which have accepted the marriage supper of Christ, and a couple of dozen have left him, and hundreds of souls have returned to him, and a very few have not returned but they have died eternally separated from Christ. And these marriages to and divorces from Christ are happening every day.
---Eloy on 12/15/08

You poor faithless people!! Salvation is of the LORD. ITS THROUGH FAITH we are saved and through faith we remain saved. We are made righteous. What could a man do to lose his salvation if he remains trusting in the LORD? NOTHING, ABSOLUTLY NOTHING, for sin has no power over us.
---duane on 12/15/08

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Mark V. (continued)~ I simply don't hear preachers warning us, I only hear them saying 'smooth' deceptive words. I never hear these words in churches...

Gal6:8 'He who sows to the flesh sows corruption..'
Phil.3:19 'Whose end is destruction who set their mind on earthly things..'
ITim5:15 'Keep busy for some have already turned aside to Satan.'
Heb.12:28-29 'Serve God with reverence and godly fear for our God is a consuming fire.'
IPet.5:8'Be sober and vigilant for the devil seeks whom he may devour.'
IIPet1:10 'Be diligent to make your calling and election sure.'
IJohn3:8 'He who sins is of the devil.'

I could give countless more verses...but it seems we are mostly dull-minded, and love smooth words in churches.
---Anne on 12/15/08

Nana~ Your words were very kind and gave me a good smile. I guess it's pretty normal for Christians to feel rather upset though now and then when we see a lot of the things happening in the world. Jesus became passionately upset with the Pharisees etc.

I think what upsets me the most is when people seem to take God's grace for granted, and just naturally assume that we are all 'safe and cozy' with God. Even in IICorinthians it says "Examine yourselves as to whether you are in the faith. Prove yourselves. Do you not know yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you?-unless indeed you are disqualified."

Thanks again for your nice words.
---Anne on 12/15/08

Mark V.~ Yes absolutely, God is in complete control...He is even in control right now as Satan is ruling over this wicked world. I have total faith that God is in absolute control of this world or else it would have most likely destroyed itself by now. I believe God is restraining a great deal of sin, despite all the sin that is still so rampant.

But God does not want us to take His grace for granted, and vehemently warns us against all the wiles, enticements, and cunning deceptions of evil. Instead of preachers forever only telling us..."We're safe with God."...Preachers should be warning us of the deceptions of Satan and not to fall prey.
---Anne on 12/15/08

Gordon~ You're so right, the doctrine of 'once saved, always saved' is costing many Saints, ex-Saints their souls. It is probably one of the most dangerous, if not THE most dangerous doctrine being taught because it gives people a false sense of security. They start to not have a holy fear of God, and before they know it their sins get deeper and they get further from God. Their sins/unholy walk separates them from God.

Satan has so very many wicked tricks, and this doctrine is one of his most wicked, vile, and anti-Biblical. Does anyone see the 'falling-away' getting worse and worse?

I John 1:15- "Whoever KEEPS His THIS we know we are in Him."
---Anne on 12/13/08

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.markv, I correct you again. Since I am a born-again Christian, I am not able to receive your blasphemy, but if you repent then I would be able to hear you. John 10:4,5.
---Eloy on 12/13/08

True believers are preserved in Jesus Christ. They do not fall away and get lost from the hands of God. "Jude, a bondservant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James." To those who are called, sanctified by God the Father, and presevered in Jesus Christ." Jude 1:1.
"To an inheritance incorruptable and undefiled and that does not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, who are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation ready to be revealed in the last time." 1 Peter 1:4,5.
If you believe you can fall away from God then you really don't have true faith. You are holding on to an illusion.
---MarkV. on 12/13/08

I want to say the same as Paul said to the Philipians because I believe if you are truely saved you too should have that faith. If that faith is not found in Jesus Christ then you are not one of His, " I thank God upon every rememberance of you, always in every prayer of mine making request for you all with joy. for your fellowship in the gospel from the first day until now, being confident of this very thing, that He who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ. Just as it is right for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart," I feel bad that many of you don't have this faith, because it is the only one that can save you.
---MarkV. on 12/13/08

Frances~ on 5/22 you wrote that you thought you could lose your salvation if you sin knowingly after we are saved. But on 12/11 you seem to have changed your mind.

I just thought it was a rather interesting thing to note.
---Anne on 12/12/08

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You have brought cheer and gladness to many here, me included. Keep your Spirit up and do not get upset. Many brothers will someday come to terms and resolve, even eliminate their differences, some others will not.
---Nana on 12/12/08

Anne, there's no question people backslide once they are saved. You might be away from Him but, He is always close to you. You might not feel Him but He is always there.
God was married to Israel and even though Israel rejected God they will come to Christ when God say's they will and nothing will stop that.
But to think that God marry's a believer, and then the believer leaves God and loses his salvation is so false because, even if in your mind you have left Him, He will never leave you, that is the promise Christ made to all who believe. "So that you are not lacking in any spiritual gifts, as you wait for the revealing of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will sustain you to the end, guiltless in the Day of our Lord Jesus Christ,
---MarkV. on 12/12/08

This god that most of you have is losing sheep left and right. He cannot hold on to them. He saves them and they go right ahead and leave Him, in Eloys case he left Him twice. That god is not the God of the Bible. Why would you want a god you could not count on? Why would anyone want a god who desires to do things but man won't let Him? It goes even further, He even waits to see if you will be kind enough to pick Him as your Savior. A god dependent upon you. You still want to be in charge.
When you were lost wasn't your life dependent upon you? And look what happened it failed. Now that God has come and taken you out of the gutter and given you life, you still want to say you had something to do with your salvation. You are still not happy.
---MarkV. on 12/12/08

I know from personal experience a person can backslide, because it happened to me. So I get upset when people assume you can't turn your heart against the Holy Spirit and refuse to obey it.

I seriously don't know how you can read the Bible and not read about backsliding/going astray over and over and over....and how God vehemently warns us over and over and over to beware of sin and bad influences for they will turn our hearts from God. Look at Solomon for the best example ever in I Kings 11.

As David says...How desperately we need to keep our eyes on the Lord- Psalm 141:8 'My eyes are you oh Lord..keep me from the snares they have laid up for me.'
---Anne on 12/12/08

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God was 'married' to Israel, but they turned their back on Him. Yet God was always merciful and longsuffering, and patiently called for them to return to him with all their hearts and minds.

I know from my own personal experience & now I praise God so much more now for His amazing mercy, patience and longsuffering.

Keep your eyes steadfast on the Lord always as David did, despite the evil world around us that spews out wickedness like a flood, and you will know great joy, & peace in the Lord. Fight the good fight to the end and endure to the END!
---Anne on 12/12/08

No, because the Book of Hebrews and other Scriptural References makes it clear that a Saint CAN backslide, and turn away from the Faith. There are those Saints who remain faithful to GOD and FOLLOW Him obediently, THEY are those who will not be blotted out of the Lamb's Book of Life. The Apostle Paul buffeted his body, as it were, so that he would not be counted as a "castaway". The teaching of "never losing one's Salvation" is a false doctrine which is costing many Saints, ex-Saints, their souls. This is Tough Love.
---Gordon on 12/12/08

Eloy, another one of your false statements. There is no devorce with God. God is in control of all things and makes sure this relationship never fails. He is not One to be taken by surprise of anyone. He already knows the future, why would He marry you if He already knew you would leave? That is the most rediculous assumption anyone has made of God. You need to study who God is first and know that He is in control of His creation. Not you, or anything or anyone.
If something happened outside Him knowing, He would not be Sovereign, and if not soverign He would not be God.
---MarkV. on 12/12/08

Eloy 2, sometimes when you are making a point that you believe is true, you demean God's Omniscience, Omnipotence, Omnipresence by suggesting certain things you believe to be true. I believe it is because you just don't stop to think about what you are going to say about God first or you just don't know, and in doing so you then get angry at others for answering you the way they do.
Your theology strips God of His attributes and nature many times and I answer the way I do because it is your habit to do that. People then began to doubt if God is really Omniscience after all. That maybe sometimes He is not. He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
---MarkV. on 12/12/08

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According to Hebrew 6:4-6 we are enlightened as to the fate of those who believe there is multiple rebirths. V4 Iti s impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, v5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of te coming age, v6 if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to their loss they are crucifyig the Son of God all over again and subjecting Him to public disgrace.
So if salvation is not assured there is no salvation because Christ is the one who finished the job on the cross not us. He is not going to be crucified again for anyone who believes they can lose the gift that was given them.
---Dawn on 12/11/08

MIC - You are WRONG. Read your Bible, don't just go with the world, which you are doing. Jesus said we MUST REPENT, Paul said we MUST REPENT. Jesus said that if you do not confess and repent of your sins, you will NOT be forgiven, and WILL go to Hell. Matthew 4:17, Luke 13:3,5, Acts 2:38, Acts 3:19, Acts 17:30, 2 Peter 3:9, 1 John 1:8-10. I pray that you will repent, and turn to God, before it's too late, and you end up in Hell.
---Leslie on 12/11/08

Eloy, if the saved could leave their salvation, then they were not saved. I don't think you understand what saved means, which is understandable since there are so many false ideas doing the rounds these days. If someone has truly repented and changed and will never go back to their vomit, then that person is a sheep, and has been transported from the group of unsaved to the group of saved. If they return too their vomit they were dogs who were just trotting along with the sheep, but were never sheep at any point. That is why we ought to beware of those in sheep's clothing, they can do a lot of damage.
---frances008 on 12/11/08

Calhoon, you are misapplying the use of the words of the Bible. (If indeed you are quoting any verse at all). The fact is that sin is still in the world and that is why there is so much suffering and injustice. Clearly, Jesus did not take away sin from the face of the earth. Nor did he say that from now on what was called sin is no longer called sin. The Ten Commandments still apply. Unfortunately because of doctrines of devils, some who call themselves Christians are in the front lines of those breaking the Ten Commandments.
---frances008 on 12/11/08

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It's good to hear you've found peace with the Lord again Eloy. It's horrible to be separated from the Lord, and I'm so glad God opened your eyes to the fact that you can return to Him, and He'll continue to love and care for you. Peace.
---Anne on 12/11/08

The saved can leave their salvation, just as a one can divorce. And I can also attest that the separated one can also be reborn again, for I myself have be born-again twice: I suffered unspeakable violence and succumbed to destruction and thereby thought perfect God was the cause, rather than the enemy being at fault. It hurt me to tell the Lord to leave me, because life was hard enough and that he was making it harder. I was upon my death bed when the Holy Spirit led me into what I must do. So as I told the Lord to leave me many years before, I had to ask him to come back into my life, so I prayed the Sinner's Prayer, and the Lord himself came into my apartment and back into my life. Hallelujah Jesus! Thank you Jesus! My Lord and my God!
---Eloy on 12/11/08

Jesus came to take away sin.(Good news)"
Yes? you are WRONG!-b/c this means Jesus gives us the licence to sin!!!!Man you are in the out field!Then you go on to say REPENT so I ask why repent when you state we have a licence to sin!!Please think of what you say on these posts as it is false and anyone willing to listen YOU will be Accountable by your Loose cannon Remark.Sorry.
---MIC on 12/11/08

Anyone whom God has truly chosen to live with Him throughout eternity, God will keep. And safe. Slipping back into sin is not being kept or safe.
---catherine on 12/11/08

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Mic~ thank you for the kind answer, however I was not asking the question of 'How do you get assurance of salvation...' because I was seeking an answer to that question, I asked it merely to make a point concerning the subject matter. Sorry for the confusion.
---Anne on 12/11/08

Your all WRONG,
Jesus came to take sin away. (The good news)
The only requirement is to believe on Him.
There is no backslidden Christian, for Christians are saved through faith in Him.
You either believe/faith in Jesus or you dont. By grace through faith. Jesus made it easy, why does man make the sacrifice for sin, non-effect.
---calhoon on 12/11/08

Hebrews 10. 26 following. ''For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?'

If you sin wilfully after being repentant, then you need to repent again, more sincerely.
---frances008 on 12/10/08

Leslie~ If our heart is right with God, God knows we are truly sorry for all our sins, but if we persistently and willfully turn our back on the Holy Spirit,then we are backsliding and are not right with God. We need to sincerely repent and get back on the narrow path. I would be very fearful of dying in a backslidden condition, this is why we need preachers to warn us of the dangers of sin...however they are few and far between.
---Anne on 12/10/08

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Anne:-I do believe You are a good lady earnest in desire,but the ASSURANCE you seek is not available, for the reasons you mention 'human Frailty' .However having noticed the need of your desire,the answer is simple which is HOPE and TRUST,this is available through HIS WAY,'Your CONTROL of Your shortcomings'. it takes practice like an athlete striving for perfection this is what Jesus says and it is His way which says Follow me. Practice does make Perfect,which is what GOD IS Perfect
---MIC on 12/10/08

Leslie listen to your Fantasy, which you do believe,where will you get Gods Blood?Repenting your sins on a daily Basis shows NO CONTRITION REAL contrition is obtained by striving,using your control over your actions which causes you to be pure without sin.Just to ask for forgiveness is not enough forgiveness comes with a price which your own REAL personal contrition not to reoffend. This is accomplished by YOUR CONTROL and Mastery by your works and endeavour.
---MIC on 12/10/08

Duane & MIC - Yes, Jesus died to break the power of sin, and we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. However, our temples are made of flesh and blood, and sin on a daily basis, because of this. God is holy, and can NOT allow sin near Him and Heaven. Everyone (including Christians) who have unconfessed and unrepented of sin in them when they die (or Jesus comes back) WILL go to Hell. This is why we MUST confess and repent of ALL of our sins on a daily basis (and have them covered in Christ's blood). ONLY this WILL make you clean. It is also important to live each day as if it were our last (and that Christ could come back any second). John 9:41, 1 John 1:8-10.
---Leslie on 12/10/08

How do you get ABSOLUTE ASSURANCE you are TRULY a saved born-again believer? The Bible says faith comes by HEARING the word of God. So...if we're truly born-again, we will seek God's word with all our heart and soul, and live it with all our heart and soul. A true child of God has a brand new mission and purpose in life.

Can a true child of God sin? Unfortuneately yes. Will this one hate sin? Absolutely! Can a born-again believer backslide? Yes, because he can get careless, take God for granted, get deeper into sin, and eventually turn his back and heart on God. Bottom line: sin separates us from God. Yet God is merciful and longsuffering and let's the sincerely repentant RETURN to Him!
(We are in desperate need of bold preachers.)
---Anne on 12/10/08

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TREY:-Ever heard the saying "your body is a temple of the HOLY SPIRIT "now answer the question does the temple have sin?then speak the truth does man sin?Romans 3:23 says you are wrong.and Frances is right God dwells in those who HE KNOWS are w/out sin.not in every TDH.
---MIC on 12/10/08

Sin has NO power over a Christian. What did Jesus come to this world to do? The answer will set you free.
---duane on 12/10/08

Frances:-is RIGHT.
Sin drives away God who is the HOLY SPIRIT.Graces are bestowed for being in union with GOD.
It is not a probality, it is a certainity.
Sin of any kind needs repentance even False propaganda is a SIN.when in doubt silence is golden.Seek and you will find.
---MIC on 12/10/08

Hi Mima, You are correct. Francis please note what Christ said:

John14:16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever,

John14:17 Even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him, for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

Here's another:

Heb13:5 Let your conversation be without covetousness, and be content with such things as ye have: for he hath said, I will never leave thee, nor forsake thee.
Heb13:6 So that we may boldly say, The Lord is my helper, and I will not fear what man shall do unto me.

Lord bless you both.
---trey on 12/10/08

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Frances008's statement
"The Holy Spirit will not remain in you if you sin. That is why David said in his psalm 'Take not your holy spirit from me."

Totally discounts the dispensation of grace.
And being a "born again" child of God.
Notice closely David's exact words," Take not your holy spirit from me." The spirit accompanied David(was with him but not in him) from the moment of his anointing by Samuel.

Now the spirit never was in David but today the Holy Spirit indwells(lives with in).
every believer.

There is a vast difference in the meaning of words. From is not synonymous with in!!!!
---mima on 12/10/08

I agree with the moderator on this one.

But I've never liked the term "backslidden"
It indicates that someone had slid back from somewhere but we can never be sure from where.

And how long a "slide" does one have to make to be called "backslidden"? To one person it may be missing church without an acceptable another it may mean living a wanton life-style, in flagrant sin. I appreciate more specific terms....especially when an individual's eternal salvation is in question.
---Donna66 on 12/10/08

Nicely said Frances~ I think the Bible teaches that our hearts turn from God, if we get to the point of going astray/backsliding too deeply. Therefore our sin separates us from God.
---Anne on 12/9/08

Nicely said Frances~ I think the Bible teaches that our hearts turn from God, if we get to the point of going astray/backsliding too deeply. Therefore our sin separates us from God.
---Anne on 12/9/08

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The Holy Spirit will not remain in you if you sin. That is why David said in his psalm 'Take not your holy spirit from me.' He knew that sin and the Holy Spirit cannot compete in one body. Either you serve God completely, or you are completely controlled by Satan. It is up to you to choose. Backsliders can always do a U turn and return to God.
---frances008 on 12/9/08

Solomon backslid and ended up dying in a miserable condition, yet the Lord stated that he loved Solomon. The Lord being the same yesterday, today and forever, if he ever once loved one he will always love them.

Also once the Holy Ghost takes up residence in one, he never leaves that one nor forsakes them no matter the sins they commit. However, this is not a license to sin. To this line of thinking the Apostle Paul says "God forbid!".
---trey on 12/9/08

The backslidden must forsake man's teachings and let God be your only spiritual teacher. When the time is right, He will explain to you what the anointing hasn't made clear.

1 John 2:27
"abides in you, and you have no need that any one should teach you, as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true,...".

You will have to live under the law of liberty (James 1:25, 2:12) and let the "works" that God did be sufficient for you (John 6:28, 9:3). When the inner temple had a gate, for six "work"ing days, it remained closed, but now Jesus provides access and is our sabbath rest (Ezekiel 46:1 and Luke 6:5).
---more_excellent_way on 12/9/08

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