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Are Televangelists Christians

Are televangelists like Benny Hinn, TD Jakes, Kenneth Copeland, and Joel Osteen doing Jesus work, or their own?

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A VERY BIG AMEN to you Faith.
---Rob on 10/26/08


(Isaiah 8:20) To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

It is so important for each Christain to study the word of God for themselves. Let God guide you. Don't look for a preacher that is going to tell you what you want to here. Ask God to help you to understand His Word the way he means it to be understood. And ask Him to help you to accept His truths even if it's not what you want to hear. Sometimes the truth hurts but the truth will set you free. Blessings to you.
---Faith on 10/25/08


I caught the end of Robert Tilton's show today. He was pushing his new "book," "How To Be Rich & Have Everything You Ever Wanted."

Still pushing prosperity gospel. Someone is making money and doing it well.
---NurseRobert on 9/12/08


A Television Network is having what they call their fall share-a-thon. They tell people to send money so they can spread the Gospel around the world. They won't tell you the Gospel they are spreading is not the Gospel of Christ, Galatians 1:6-10.

They tell people if they want to receive a blessing from God, they need to send in their money. They will not tell you this goes against what is written in Acts 8:20-23.

They tell people to sow a seed of faith. They will not tell you that sowing seed has nothing to do with money. Sowing seed is sharing the Word of God, Mark 4:13-20.

Many people on this network say a person cannot reach God, unless a person goes through them. This goes against what is written in John 14:6.
---Rob on 9/12/08


It is my belief that the only credible source of teaching is the word of God.We must look at the televangelist in the view that Gods word describes true teachers and false teachers.This criteria is found in 2Tim.Chapter 2.If the teaching or their way of life doesn't line up with what God says on this issue then we must put them off as false teachers and treat them as such.The Holy Spirit was given to us to help us discern false from true,we just have to yeild to the prompting of the Holy Spirit.
---ron on 9/2/08




I think it's more beneficial for us to focus on the Truths of God, instead of the false teachings of men.

The best way to shield yourself against false teachings is to be firmly grounded in the truth (Acts 17:11, 2 Tim 2:15). We shouldn't spend so much time studying deceptions, because by beholding we become changed.
"I will set no wicked thing before my eyes...I will not know wickedness" (Ps. 101:3,4)
---Todd1 on 6/15/08


Google with confidence on CN, emergent church, purpose driven church, seeker friendly church - you'll find everything you need to know.
But I don't think you're really that interested, I think you would like to tangle over it and I'm not interested in doing that with you.

The intent is to write enough heated words that the blogs will be wiped away. It's a technique that's been used here often.
---Marcia on 6/14/08


Marcia:

That is the very point. I am NOT interested in running all over creation chasing down unsubstantiated accusations made by various people (I told the same thing to frances008 earlier in another blog). If you have an accusation to make, it is YOUR responsibility to give US a REASON to spend our time investigating it, rather than just taking it on your say-so.
---StrongAxe on 6/13/08


If you're interested, research it, do your homework.

I'm not entangling myself with someone here who takes it very personal whenever the emergent church doctrines are brought out.

The Moderator gave a word of wisdom about the recent emergent revival. He said, fast and pray before you even take a look. I wonder how many really paid attention.
---Marcia on 6/12/08


Moderator admonished, be very careful before you view the podcasts, all of the material.

There's a risk, a risk of opening yourself up to demonic influence and oppression.
I discussed with the Moderator, that if you're in a place where people are in the process of becoming a barnyard animal - you are in the wrong place.
---Marcia on 6/12/08




Moderator then said, the devil likes nothing better than to humiliate believers, turning them into serpents that slither along the ground, bark like a dog, crow like a rooster, and wallow around on the floor like a barnyard pig.
---Marcia on 6/12/08


There's the risk of becoming possessed when you open yourself up to any demonic influence.
That's why he said, I'm concerned for those that have become involved with it.
---Marcia on 6/12/08


If you're really interested in the Emerging Manifesto, emergent manifesto manual that is promoted in all emergent churches and other false material they use, do you homework. It's all available for you take a look at and make a decision about.

But when I mention it, and I'm met with a strong opposition, basically called a "witch", I know that I'm hitting on some deeply felt principles that someone here is promoting.
---Marcia on 6/12/08


Emergent doctrines make the ones up above look very tame by comparison.

I remember years ago, that even Benny Hinn who witnessed the last barnyard revival say, that roaring lions, barking seals and barking dogs were not of God.
---Marcia on 6/12/08


Marcia:

How could I be part of such a church? I had never even heard of any of them before your recent posts.

(Perhaps there's something about "I had never even heard of the term until I saw your post about it a week or two ago" that is not clear?)

If the information is so easy for anyone to find, surely it can't be that difficult for you to mention one single specific example.
---StrongAxe on 6/12/08


Marcia:

I am an iconclast. I LOVE to tear down false beliefs and doctrines and expose them to the light of the truth, and to expose the shaky foundations of shaky doctrines. But (as I have told frances008 on many occasions), how can I know if a doctrine is true or false if I don't even know what it is? I didn't see anything on those sites that seemed improper - please enlighten me!
---StrongAxe on 6/12/08


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I checked, there are pages and pages about it on the web. Google with confidence, if you're interested.
Whenever it's been discussed here, it's usually met with a great deal of resistance.
Those blogs usually have to be shut off, because someone here does not want to discuss it. However, in all fairness, if we're going to take everything apart, this one should be discussed as well.
---Marcia on 6/11/08


I didn't THINK I lived in the 'backwoods' but I'd never heard of the 'mosaic emergent church' until I saw it here. Maybe its because I don't watch TV preachers? Charles Stanley on occasion, he seems ok to me.
---NVBarbara on 6/11/08


I don't need to remind you, but that blog was almost word for word what MikeM used to say on the blogs.

You see, every church and denomination has been taken apart, part and parcel on these blogs. Every single one, down to micro minutia, except the mosaic emergent church.
I think you might belong to that church and therefore, you know plenty about it.
---Marcia on 6/11/08


Ah do not let Satan put his foot in your door,we have power over him in Jesus Name.What did Jesus say in MARK 13:?? Let No Man Deceive you,I have forwarned you of ALL things,many will come in my Name.Be very careful with who you listen to, most take a scripture and twist it ,well did not Satan do the same thing??. 2 Timothy 2:15 STUDY to shew thyself approved of God.........Gabby8758
---Gabby on 6/11/08


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Marcia:

As I already said: I did a Google search, and looked around their web site, found nothing alarming. Surely you must have SOME strong idea about at least one erroneous doctrine that they preach. It should be easy to name at least one.

Accusations without specifics are like crying "witch!" - adequate in 1600s Salem, but not in America ("innocent until proven guilty"), nor in Christianity (need 2-3 witnesses: Dt 17:6, 19:15, Mt 18:16, 2 Co 13:1, 1 Ti 5:19, Heb 10:28)
---StrongAxe on 6/10/08


You need not look far, but I don't think you want to. No, not really.
If you are currently attending one of these false churches, you could end up following new age doctrine and not even know it.
So google with confidence, pages and pages of info for you to read on the net.
---Marcia on 6/9/08


Marcia:

No, I'm not (as I said, I had never even heard of the term until I saw your post about it a week or two ago). I searched for it on the web, but nothing I found triggered any alarm bells.

If they are, as you say, a "false church", then surely you could easily point out some doctrine or practice that they are involved in that would illustrate that, and makes you feel that way?
---StrongAxe on 6/9/08


Marcia:

As far as there being "much on these blogs" about them, I haven't yet seen anything except your posts here (and the subsequent replies) in recent weeks. While I don't read all of the blogs here, I think that I look at about 1/4-1/2 of them when I see them on the main list, and maybe a dozen on a regular basis at any given time.

If they are so full of posts about these churches, perhaps you could just mention the names of some of those blogs so I could have a look?
---StrongAxe on 6/9/08


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Everyone does not have a TV.Not all Nations heard of Jesus. You are right about our own responsbility. But,some Muslims ladies can't watch TV as they choose. Some know little of Jesus and the wrong message can be harmful.

Did anyone hear about the new tribe they just discovered in the Amazon? Flying over them, they noticed their gear and makeup had not been documented.
The men on the ground were frighten when they saw the plane. They were trying to shoot it down with their bows and arrows.
---Nicole on 6/9/08


#4. they believe "there is nothing impossible for men" instead of "there is nothing impossible for God" God has declared all through His Word He is Almighty God, Ruler of His creation, He is never wrong, alway righteous, immutable, Omnipresent, Omniscience, Omnipotent. He never stops been God, and never because of men. "O man, who are you to reply against God? will the thing formed say to Him who formed it, 'why have you made me like this?"
---Mark_V. on 6/8/08


#5. "Does not the Potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make a vessel for honor another for dishonor"? God's sovereignty is displayed but many don't want to believe it. The televangelist go further and many will never turn back. Their minds are made up, and the Spirits discernment has no effect on them. They just don't need God. God is still in control even if they don't believe. He allows them as He blinded Israel for the purpose to display His mercy.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/08


Jonathan, there is not much difference in what televangelist teach and what many answering many blogs believe. Of course not everyone. The difference is that televangelist go further. Their answers arrive from a men-centered theology. The same as many that answer. They also believe they have the power over God. They can make Him Ruler if they so desire. Televangelist manipulate that theology to the point that men is able to move God at his own command, because of the power he has.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/08


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#2. A person said, God cannot do anything without His permission. He has to submit to God in order for God to be Ruler of his life. Ok, now that He is Ruler of his life, he insist that he can come and go into the kingdom of God because of that power he has. Does that sound to you like God is Ruler of his life? And if he can do what he wants because of that power, all others can do the same, that supposes that God is Ruler of no one. Wow, they say He is Ruler, but in their hearts they are Rulers.
---Mark_V. on 6/8/08


#3. Not a sovereign God but one who is defeated by men. Athiest, in the Eve blog, gave a great example of fallen men. He knows because he is one of them. He admits it. Yet, he will never be able to change his own heart. God has to bring him to the light of Christ. He will remain the same until that happens. With no power. He has freedom of choice but it will never be for God. Many televangelist have taken that theology and gone further to the point that
---Mark_V. on 6/8/08


Whether they done Right or Wrong,
One thing for sure "they" have spread the Name of Jesus TO every Nation in the World!
It's up to the Individual to SEEK God after that, NOT The preachers on T.V. or ANYONE elses RESPONSIBILITY, BUT YOURS!
What are you going to tell God?
I'm Sorry, I only Listened to others and DID'NT read YOUR Words for MYSELF?
That Ain't going Fly with My Father!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 6/7/08


Strong axe, are you currently attending one?
Research further.
There are many blogs that explain it well on CN.
Moderator has given several answers about them, too.
We already know that no one has changed their core beliefs, so you'll have to research it, study to make your own determination.
---Marcia on 6/6/08


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There's been enough written out there to sink several battleships, about the mosaic emergent church.
I know someone is quite fond of their doctrines here, but if you dig a little further, they're not especially content. Not really.
---Marcia on 6/6/08


Marcia:

Ok, I've been able to find a little bit about Emergent and/or Mosaic churches online, but didn't really see anything that struck me as being any kind of warning sign.

You call them "false". Can you pinpoint any specific doctrines or practices they have that would justify such an accusation?
---StrongAxe on 6/3/08


By their fruits we shall know them! Is what they teach helping us know Jesus better? and to want to be moe like Him?
PR
---Pierre on 6/4/08


Emergent Church, Emergent Village, Mosaic Church - do your own research. Wikipedia is a source of information, with many inaccuracies. Check out the links the Moderator told you about.
Mosiac Emergent Church - false church.
---Marcia on 6/2/08


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My question is why do you consider preaching on TV & talking about money false teaching? Do you read your bible? Why do you feel it's wrong for them to preach about & ask for money? Do you pay your tithes? Or do you believe that tithing is not New Testament? If tithing is not NT then praising is not NT because the bible says little, if anything, about praise in the NT. Praise was OT & is NT. Tithing began before the Old Covenant & was not part of the law. Tithing still applies today.
---Rickey on 6/2/08


personally I dont know where anyones heart is.omly God knows.all i can say is guess we will find out at the judgement seat.
---tom2 on 6/1/08


I found this on Wikipedia:- Emergent is a loosely knit group of people in conversation about and trying experiments in forwarding the ministry of Jesus in new and different ways, as the people of God in a post-Christian context. From there, wide diversity abounds. Emergents seem to share one common trait: disillusionment with the organized, institutional church as it has existed through the 20th century (whether fundamentalist, liberal, megachurch, or tall-steeple liturgical).
---RitaH on 5/31/08


2. Its strengths: creative, energetic, youthful, authentic, highly relational. Its weaknesses: somewhat cynical, disorganized, sometimes reckless (even in the theological ideas willing to be entertained), immature.
---RitaH on 5/31/08


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Unfortunately, television evangelists are just like so many 21st-century Christians who confess that they believe in Jesus and have accepted Him as their personal Savior yet their spoken and written words and visible actions conflict with the unadulterated Word of God. Pray for ANYONE who is teaching, preaching, or spreading in other forms of communication, a false Gospel, and if you have an opportunity to do so, edify, encourage, and strengthen those that you can.
---Nadine on 5/29/08


Marcia:

1) What are Mosaic or Village or Emergent churches? I have never heard of any of these terms before.
2) Who are the "non-emergents" who have been forced off the blogs? and when did this happen? I have been here for about a year and don't recall any "furor" on this topic (since I don't recall ever having heard the topic mentioned anywhere).
3) I'm also curious in how this ties in with Televangelists.
---StrongAxe on 5/29/08


I think they are..but I am sure there are scads of those that will disagree with me. I really think you need to get your bible out and listen to them from their own mouths and rightly divide the Word...instead of reading all types of "hate" books or mail from different so called "loving" Christians..that haven't won a soul in a 100 years. My own opinion of course. :)
---melanie on 5/29/08


Mostly their own work, it is been my experience that the most supported ministries are those that come closest to being false or itching ears pleasers. I favor the elimination of tax exemption for churches. Recently in three days, three people, prayed with over 220 people to receive the Lord Jesus Christ into their lives. Our only support was ourselves(what the Lord has given us) during the same period of time 16 churches reported no conversions. Hummm kind of makes you wonder don't it?
---Mima on 5/29/08


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With ***inter-denominational*** what you are seeing is..."let's all get along" as a priority over sound doctrine. Doctrine is way down the list if there is any at all. what many are doing is writing NEW doctrines that all can agree upon, without offending anyone...even changing words around in scripture not to offend.

The Bible clearly has warned us of these days...2 Timothy 3...having a form of godliness but deny the power..."FROM SUCH TURN AWAY". is the commandment here.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/08


#2 Those who know scripture and question these false teachings are shunned and called troublemakers...or those who cause divisions etc using scripture against God's Saints....don't be fooled, don't be intimidated.

We're called to suffer for Jesus sake and for His Word.
---kathr4453 on 5/29/08


That's fine, but someone here knows exactly what I'm talking about. The flurry of activity tells me so.
---Marcia on 5/29/08


As to the heavy duty onslaught of arrows and darts headed my way for talking about the emergent church, I'm bypassing the angry comments.
I fully expected them, along with all of the names from the archives.
I am thankful for the Moderator allowing the open air discussion, as I am not interested in visiting with anyone privately about it.
---Marcia on 5/29/08


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Check out the false emergent Mosaic Church.
That will get you in the ballpark and I know that you can confidently google it without any problem, Alan.
You'll have all of the understanding that you need about the false Mosaic teachings cliques, clubs, oodles of books to google.
---Marcia on 5/29/08


Marcia ... I have been a Christian for 52 years, and a very questioning one, and yet convinced.
But I don't have a clue as to what yuo have said in that marathon speech.
---alan_of_UK on 5/28/08


**I want to thank on behalf of all non-emergent that have been forced off of the blogs because of the anger and fury that it caused when we have tried to tell the truth in the past.**

Perfect statement. and so very true. The Emergent Church movement is so subtle and flies just enough under the wire that immature believers are caught. But, Praise God, the Lord will get you out if you belong to Him. You may get angry at first, but that's ok.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/08


Lastly, the non-emergents are not spies or devising schemes, that is ridiculous. We simply want to be able to say that we do not believe in the Mosaic emergent village or their new gospels. We hope that those of you who do belong will come out from among them and separate yourself, too.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


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Even if televanglists have selfish motives, it's not all bad:

Phillipians 1:
"15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife, and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached, and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice."
---StrongAxe on 5/28/08


Yes, you did and I appreciate it.
We can't pacify a few at the expense of many.
Truth cannot be silenced.
It's time that all of us see what you have kindly been telling us for all of these years.
Some may not like it, but let the chips fall where they may. We can't cover up the gospel because the emergents stand to gain from their movement.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


Marcia, wow, that was quite a speech. I have never heard of "mosaic" or "village" churches. Can you explain what that means please? On one of your 9 posts you said something about "ushering people out of non-denom churches"...are you saying only non denomination churches are good?
---Todd1 on 5/28/08


I want to thank you again, Moderator, for letting the truth come out today about the emergent church.
Evidently, it's the right time.
I've felt like I've been sitting on a keg of dynamite whenever it's mentioned. The blogs are turned off because the anger that it causes, but what's good for the non-emergent is good for the emergent, too.
It's time to know the truth about these false movements.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


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I want to thank on behalf of all non-emergents that have been forced off of the blogs because of the anger and fury that it caused when we have tried to tell the truth in the past.
Thank you for allowing me to say that Mosaic emergent church villages are attracting the vulnerable and we need to expose a movement that may indeed be a part of the bigger, one world church of the antichrist in the future.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


If we're going to tell the truth, it needs to be across all of the boards and to every blogger without exception.
Frequent flyer points had better line up with biblical (canonized) beliefs if we don't want to lead everyone out there astray, including the bloggers here.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


Marcia,

No doubt. I responded to your other comment in the Lakeland blog.
---Moderator on 5/28/08


The brain washing has come in the form of acceptance of orthodox, catholic, jw, sda, mormon, all other denoms - and a battering against fundies, evangelicals, anything that might be in competition with the emergent church. Usher you out of non-denom churches and come on over to our village. Subtle, but this emergent church is promoted on these blogs each and every day.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


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Moderator, do not let this blog be removed.
Whenever the Mosaic or Village Church is mentioned, it steps on someone's toes so that they write back in, doing anything to stop these discussions. If we're here to tell the truth, let's tell the truth.
If this church movement is responsible for ushering back in a wave of false healings, false teachers and prophets, let's tell the truth.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


I fully expected this blog to be removed before I could say, please not.
I know that the Mosaic or emergent movement, creating villages across the U.S. is very appealing to teens, tweens, and young adults.
But with that comes all of the false teaching that you have talked about Moderator.
Their books are selling like hotcakes and they want that to continue, with the new movement comes a huge profit for the prophets.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


We cannot promote the false teachings, false church for the profit of a few at the expense of many, even on these blogs.
These ideals and teachings have been promoted on these blogs for years.
Subtle, without mentioning any of the names of exactly what movement they are promoting but it's emergent all the way.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


I don't want to read their books and I don't want to see their emerging manifesto, reformation village teachings spread over each and every blog, regardless of how in vogue or popular they are.
The goal has been for the emgergent bloggers to repeat those teachings long enough, that we will actually believe anything, like brain washing.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


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Let's tell the truth. This emergent movement is an ushering in of false miracles that you've warned us about, and their new theology is nothing new, but it is popular.
I do not read the emergent propaganda that is promoted here, a watering down of the gospel, an acceptance for all religions to come under the leadership of the emergent church.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


An interesting book to read on this subject is "I Was Wrong" by Jim Bakker, former head of the PTL Club, which he wrote after he was released from Federal prison. It is heartfelt and candid.
---LoveOneAnother on 5/28/08


If that be the case, the Mosiac and other purpose driven churches are doing the same thing, not only in a public ceremony but every Sunday, so they don't offend their congregations.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


Mosiac and purpose churces are including mormons, catholics, seventh day adventists, jw's, everyone in their services.
Don't be deceived, Kathr4453.
---Marcia on 5/28/08


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Ravi Zacharias refused to pray IN JESUS NAME at the National Day of Prayer, for fear of offending anyone.
He also worked with Christians and Mormons Together...hummmmm! Lots of controversy surrounding that as well.

What excuses many will come up with to AVOID being persecuted for Jesus Christ and the Gospel! I'm sure he persuaded through human wisdom his reasons for trying to blend in, instead of standing out,or even standing ALONE!

Don't be seduced by human intelligence and human wisdom.
---kathr4453 on 5/28/08


I dont think someone's job (televangelist, plumber, nurse, dentist) makes them Christian or not. Regardless of our occupation, we either believe and follow Jesus Christ, or we deceive ourselves and others.
However, if someone is claiming to do God's work (pastor, televangelist) God will definitely hold them to a higher standard. (James 3:1)
---Todd1 on 5/27/08


I like Ravi Zacharias, Perry Stone, Bill Cloud, Joe Van Koevering, and several others.
---Emily on 5/27/08


Yes Rita ... Generally the only people who are regarded as being Anointed are those who make the claim for themselves.
---alan_of_UK on 5/27/08


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Jesus said, "You shall know them by their fruit." The fruit of the Spirit is love, peace, joy, kindness, long-suffering, patience, self-control, etc., Are they displaying these traits in them? I say they are. Let Him who has ears, Hear what the Spirit of God is saying. These men are anointed by God - don't speak out against them. We'll pay a high price if we do that. Let them alone and let God deal with them if they err.
---donna8365 on 5/27/08


Here's an interesting observation someone gave to me 15 years ago. Everything I have seen and heard leads me to believe this.

"There are exceptions on both sides, but most of the preachers on TV are frauds and most of the preachers on the radio are men of God."
---Greyrider on 5/27/08


Rob asked: *How is a person to know if someone is truly anointed by God Himself, and a person is not self serving 2 Peter Chapter two, and they are not servants of Satan, posing as servants of God? 2 Corinthians 11:13-15.*

When you see someone PERSECUTED for telling the TRUTH you know it is of God.

When you see thousands upon thosands of blind leading the blind.....Well.....!!!!!

Christianity/Christians IS NOT and will NEVER BE popular. We are living in the day of apostasy...
---kathr4453 on 5/27/08


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