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1Co 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

If the Apostle Paul thought that it was water baptism that saves one eternally, then certainly he would not have made the above statement.

It is belief in the gospel that saves.

Ro 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. (and maybe also to the hardshell Roman catholic who would truly believe).
---Lee1538 on 12/17/08


Mic, the church does not have any buildings or property. It is the Temple of the Holy Spirit, and dwells in all those who have the Holy Spirit in them. Jesus came not to baptize with water but to bring a new thing - after he rose from the dead - it was baptism with fire and the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is merely symbolic and has no power in itself. Holy Spirit baptism is real. You had better get this right, Mic, as it is central to salvation.
---frances008 on 12/17/08


The church being more than just brick buildings is composed of all those in whom the Spirit of Christ indwells.
Ro 8:9 You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.

And how do we know if those in Christ actually are possessed by the Holy Spirit?

Ro 8:16 The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,...

Sorry MIC if ALL you have is your belief that you became part of His church when some priest baptized you as a baby, you really need to confess your sins and invite Christ into your life.
---Lee1538 on 12/17/08


Frances:-Which is the church of the Holy spirit? what you say is true but you give only half an answer.
---MIC on 12/17/08


A question to all:
Rev.13:11 speaks of the beast that looks like a lamb, but speaks like a dragon. I often thought this was speaking of today's corporate churches, since many false teachers are in the churches today. What are some of your thoughts on this?
---Anne on 12/17/08




The 'church' of bricks is the false church, and the real church is the one of the Holy Spirit. You cannot 'infiltrate' that church, but you can put your hope in false security. In other words, if you do not have the Holy Spirit, you had better consider what you are going to do after this life. If you are trying to disturb real Christians with false theology, you cannot depend on eternal security to save you. You might find out that having a millstone tied around your neck and being thrown into a lake would have been a better course of action.
---frances008 on 12/17/08


False Teachers ARE infiltrating the church today. We are in the end-times, and the Bible says this would happen. This is why it is VERY IMPORTANT to read the Bible for yourself, don't just go with the opinions of man and the world. It is also VERY IMPORTANT to let the HOLY SPIRIT lead you and teach you, NOT man (John 14:26, 1 Corinthians 1:19-20,25, 1 Corinthians 2:6-16, 1 John 15:16). If you do these things, you will NOT be deceived.
---Leslie on 12/16/08


*I believe the problem lies with the fact that too many people figure out THEORIES and then turn these into doctrine.

And many of those THEORIES really challenge many of our preconceived ideas & interpretation of Scripture. Far too many theories turn out to be the truth.

It is just too easy to see the fact that scripture has always been mis-interpreted by the church. Remember many truly believed the earth was flat and those who 'theorized' otherwise went to the rack and/or got burned at the stake for heresy.
---Lee1538 on 12/16/08


Stoffel how right you are. When you read much of what appears here it is obvious it doesn't come from Scripture but from over-heated imagination.

It seems some approach Scripture with a non-Biblical world-view firmly in place and reinterpret Scripture out of all recognition,to force it to conform to their world-view. Sometimes they just ignore that which contradicts their prejudice.

God bless.
---Warwick on 12/11/08


I believe the problem lies with the fact that too many people figure out THEORIES and then turn these into doctrine. The key is to ensure that what you say and teach runs 100% parallel with the word of God. There is no place in the church for theories any more.
---Stoffel on 12/11/08




(1)
Aharon>>"...none of the OT was done away with..."
First, the word "law" used many times in the bible doesn't always pertain to the OT laws.
e.g.:
"law of works" "law of faith"(Rom.3:27)
"law of Christ"(Gal.6:2)

So the "law" mentioned in 1Jhn.3:4 doesn't necessarily mean the OT laws.

Read Hebrews chap.8
The first covenant was found with faults so a NEW covenant was made by the Lord(v.7-8), with Jesus Christ as the mediator(v.6). The first was made old and ready to VANISH AWAY(v.13).

What then is this law or this old covenant that was changed, and replaced by the new covenant?
(continued)
---manny on 12/11/08


(2)
Heb.8:9 states that this new covenant is not according to that which God made with Israel when He took them out of Eypgt.

The covenant God made with Israel when they were taken out of Egypt was the Ten Commandments, also called the Law of Moses with the statutes and judgments (Mal.4:4)

So, the old covenant mentioned in Heb.8 which was found with faults and was made old and ready to vanish away is the Ten Commandments.

And indeed the old covenant was changed as stated in Heb.7:12

Just as the Levitical priesthood was changed to the everlasting priesthood of Jesus Christ, so also was the law of Moses changed to the law of Christ.
---manny on 12/11/08


*Yeshua said they would see that if FACT none of the "Old" Testament was done away with...

The early 1st century church was divided among Hebrew Christians, Hellenists, & Gentiles. The former group continued in the Mosaic customs prescribed by the Torah. They were recognized as just another Jewish sect but ceased to exist after the Jewish wars.

The Hellenists of Greek influence did not follow the exactness of the Torah and were persecuted. They did most of the early missionary work to the Gentiles. They also decreased in number after the Jewish wars.

the 3rd group Gentiles did not have the Torah mandated to them (Jerusalem council Acts 15)and the leadership passed to them after the wars.
---Lee1538 on 12/10/08


If one would truly read the words that Yeshua said they would see that if FACT none of the "Old" Testament was done away with,Look up: Dut27:26,Matt.23:24,Matt.15:1-9,Rev.12:17,Rev.15:3,LUKE.16:19-31!And there is many, many moore that show with out dout that NONE of Torah is done away with, that is a lie tould by thos that do not want to be obediant to any one other thin themsealfs1 If we do away with the "Law" of YHWH We do away with Messiah, John.1:1! Sin is Torahlessness(1John3:4) With out Torah we have no hope, (Rom.15:4),We are to be doers of the wordJam.1:22-25, we will be judged by Torah!James2:12.
---Aharon on 12/9/08


*Everything changed after the Cross but most are still back in the old testament or they mix the two.

And they even tear out of the Bible Romans 14 that states one may eat whatever ones choses (14.2), or esteem one day over others or none at all.(14.5)

Again, they refuse to understand that Gentile converts were not bound by OT laws that were strictly Jewish in nature - festivals, sabbath(s), dietary laws, etc.

Of course, these people really like to applaud their religion as a means to judge / condemn others that do not follow them. You know "we are the remnant of God as all others do not obey the commandments of the Lord". Much like the children in the marketplace (Lk. 7:32).
---Lee1538 on 12/9/08


The sad thing is most dont believe in the work of the Cross. Everything changed after the Cross but most are still back in the old testament or they mix the two. No wonder there is so much confusion in the Christian world.
---duane on 12/9/08


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Yes, I can agree and usually these teachers do not teach the gospel but a salvation by certain works - observance of the OT holy days, dietary laws, etc. etc. In effect, they do not teach Christ and the effacious work on the Cross for our salvation.
---Lee1538 on 12/8/08


YES OF COURSE, there are false teachers in the churches!!
These are hearts of stone that lie without shame.
Wicked prophets that kill by speaking His name.
And soon, the heavens will fall from the sky.

Now we have brother to brother with blood on their hands,
and desolation in the kingdom of man.

Holy vengeance is the result of false teachers infiltrating the churches, since the days of the Old Testament to modern day.
Too many cries in the night,
One last war left to fight...
---Anne on 12/7/08


The true "church"/temple (worship center) was built in three days on the cross.

The outer temple (and sabbath) hung on the cross...
John 2:19 ("three days", "He spoke of the temple of His body" verse 21).

We are the inner temple

1 Corin. 3:16
"Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?".

1 Corin. 6:19
"your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within".

Ezekiel 46:1
"six working days"

When the inner temple had a gate, the gate was closed for the six working days, but Jesus now provides access without the need for any offerings/works (Matthew 12:8, John 6:28, 9:3).
---more_excellent_way on 12/4/08


There are many other traditions based on partisanship, vanity, money, and self serving INTERPRETATIONS (scripture should not be interpreted at all, but simply UNDERSTOOD as is).

Ephesians 5:17
"Therefore do not be foolish, but understand".

It is as The Lord said...in the last days, people will not listen to/entertain SOUND DOCTRINE (been happening for two thousand years). People rather embrace the strong delusion and refuse to love TRUTH (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

Using H2O for baptism, disregarding the living water that poured from Christ's side at the cross (John 7:38) is a tragedy, but humanity rather seek man's approval instead of God's approval (no regard for OBJECTIVE/unbiased truth).
---more_excellent_way on 10/10/08


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Leslie - *The Bible IS the ONLY TRUTH in the world today. If it is not in the Bible, it is a LIE.

The law of gravity, the laws of thermodynamics, etc are not in the Bible. So are they not truth?

I think you best qualify your statement to say that if a doctrine is not based upon the truth of the Bible, it need not be believed.

Of course, you have the problem with those that recognize other books as part of the Bible as well as those who do not properly handle the world of God. 2 Tim. 2:15
---Lee1538 on 10/4/08


The Bible IS the ONLY TRUTH in the world today. If it is not in the Bible, it is a LIE.
---Leslie on 10/1/08


*When is a Truth not a truth?

Probably when we interpret it incorrectly or mishandle it.
---Lee1538 on 9/30/08


TRAV:-The question was simple, but as you found it hard to answer, to quote your expression you got burned.That was not my intent.I burn with Zeal for Him in Truth, not enmity,I dont know or have never seen you.Sorry Your burn is in your conscience.You see your denial of this truth explains why Man made Doctrines are NOT of whom you callTeacher/Father/Saviour.
Peace, be with you.:-)
---MIC on 9/29/08


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Mic:
Question is like the ones posed by the pharisee's. You seek my denial/approval of your rcc church doctrines using scripture. I believe in scripture. I don't believe your church has corner on its understanding, use of or on the redemtive market through rcc-ism. The opposite. Don't defend the indefensible. We could meet on common ground....as scriptural Bereans. I've left all man's flavorful confusion doctrines for the ultimate meal of truth. I know you are burning a little at me now. I was provoked to truth. Some are some are not. You wouldn't if freed ...instead of bound up behind the priest and church. Our teacher/father/saviour has a forward position to your priest and pope.
---Trav on 9/29/08


TRAV:-Thank you for your research on Truth with all its extracts.Would you consider the word of God (DOCTRINE) in Matt16:13-19 to be true or disingeneous based on the straight forward assertion of Jesus,as against Mans varied interpretations.and why would this truth which had such strength for over a thousand years be slowly eroded with time amongst other man authored versions including His word.By denying Matt16L:13-19 Christians suggests that Jesus left us something that is detrimental to us. Is that the the Love of a God who sent HIS only begotten son, to set us on the right Path.WHO IS DELUDING WHO!!!
---MIC on 9/27/08


Mic & Lee: Truth found 224 times in Scripture. When is a Truth not a truth? Is a doctrine 1/2 truth 1/2 safe? Truth is Truth and complete when found. What if a statement made is Truth..and is ignored? Defended? R,U,safe?.
He that speaketh truth sheweth forth righteousness: but a false witness deceit.
Proverbs 12:16-18
Buy the truth, and sell it not, also wisdom, and instruction, and understanding.
Proverbs 23:22
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
Galatians 4:15-17
Galatians 5:7
Ye did run well, WHO DID HINDER you that ye should NOT OBEY the truth?
Galatians 5:6-8
And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
2 Timothy 4:3-5
---Trav on 9/25/08


Rocky, you are correct. The only thing anyone can do is to defend themselves when name calling is given. It is the flesh that responds which has not been redeemed yet.
We are called in defense of the Truth no matter where the attacks come from. I am sure that Nicole has a lot of love but uses words to other individuals, which then produces answers. The Gospel is of great concern to all of us. Souls are lost, and we have to defend the faith at all cost. The gospel of Christ is at stake, the sufficiency of Christ death on the Cross is at stake. I know I am right, since the gospel I preach is dependence upon Christ, and not dependence on a denomination or rituals. We have love for others but will not compromise Truth to just get along.
---MarkV. on 9/23/08


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I would challenge you my brothers to seek wise counsil from God alone. It seems to me that it like a feeding frenzy here sometimes How is that showing the love of Jesus Christ. now I know that we are all civilized men. we have all been to school Any thng you say to another could make him mad and maybe stumble. You should pray these matters out before you say anythig.
---Rocky on 9/22/08


Your twisting of words is your strongest suit. But no matter the amount of twisting you do for the glory of the RCC it will not change the facts that not only history has to say, but they cannot change the meaning that God wanted to convey with His Word. You cannot even condemn the Word of God in all your efforts.
God saves people, people do not save themselves by righteous deeds.
God gives faith to the true believer to trust in Him on all things, not trust man in all things.
Only through the sacrifice of Christ on the Cross can anyone be saved. His death is sufficient to save the whole world. He does not need your catechisms of works to save anyone.
I do hang myself on the Word of God, and not on traditions of man.
---MarkV. on 9/22/08


A thousand times it has been written, and rejected a thousand times. The body of Christ are all who are born of the Spirit. Those who are born of the Spirit are those who have placed their faith and Trust in Christ alone, for their lives. They are parts of the Spiritual body of Christ that were baptized by the Holy Spirit, headed by Christ our Lord. The body is His Bride where no evil is found. Many more from all corners of the world will commit their lives to Christ in the future and when all true believers die, they will receive a resurrected glorified body and receive "Eternal Life" which is not talking about eternal time but Christ who is Eternal Life.
---MarkV. on 9/22/08


While there is only one true body in Christ -you are either in Christ or you are not - the body is not a denomination like the Roman Catholics would claim..what really counts is that we have a relationship with Christ and are fruitful in Him.---Lee1538

You can't claim the RCC isn't the true body of Christ, and not state which is the true body of Christ Lee.

That's like saying there is a President of the United States and it isn't Sam Smith. Tell us who is the President?

I am Catholic and I have a relationship with Christ and I am fruitful in Him.

A body means unity. One being separate from another.
Like a body of water, or a body of land.
Something together and separate from the rest.

Who is this Body?
---Nicole on 9/20/08


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MarkV, your own words just hanged you. We never claim Judas as head of Jesus Church. We always stated Peter.

PETER WAS AT THE PENTECOST! The man that Jesus gave the Keys Matthew 16:13-19.
On Pentecost it was Peter who first preached to the crowds Acts2:14-40, and he worked the first healing in the Church age Acts 3:6-7. It is Peter's faith that will strengthen his brethren Luke 22:32 and Peter is given Christs flock to shepherd John 21:17

U twisted the arguement. Some stated that the RCC could not be Jesus' Church because of some evil Bishops.
I proved Jesus picked a evil Bishop.
The notion of having some evil Bishops makes the whole Church a fraud.

If I am a thief, is everyone in my family a thief?
---Nicole on 9/20/08


Common Sense isn't Common.
Common Sense is a gift from God.
All good things are gifts from God.
People without common sense are easily fooled and find themselves in a lot of trouble.

Why do some get mad when I state God give me Common Sense?
It is because they feel they can't trick me as they do others?
I am giving the credit to my God.
If something doesn't make sense, I have my guard up.
What's wrong with that?

Jesus told us to be careful.
Paul told us to be careful with others claiming a different gospel.
He told us not to follow them.
Paul even cursed them.
Galatians 1:6-10

I am proud of the common sense Jesus gave me!
---Nicole on 9/20/08


Tray - *We have 30,000 churches, and probably that many faulty doctrines.

Very true, as most people even Christians do not spend much time either in prayer or in the study the Bible - God's word.

Yet among those that do study God's word there is much belief held in common despite denominational affliation.

While there is only one true body in Christ - you are either in Christ or you are not - the body is not a denomination like the Roman Catholics would claim.

In any case, what really counts is that we have a relationship with Christ and are fruitful in Him.
---Lee1538 on 9/20/08


Gods gift?
SON(WORD) AND HOLY SPIRIT(TEACHER).

JOHN14:15-16(READ ALL)
[IF]you love me,keep my commandments.
AND I will pray the Father,he shall give you ANOTHER COMFORTER..."SPIRIT OF TRUTH"
WHOM...
THE WORLD CANNOT RECEIVE,BECAUSE IT SEETH HIM NOT,NEITHER KNOWETH HIM...

AS CHILDREN,WE ARE INSTRUCTED TO...
Rom12(read all)
present our bodies a living sacrifice....
BE NOT CONFORMED to this WORLD:...RENEWING OF YOUR MIND WITH THE WORD OF GOD...

COMMON SENSE?
Websters:
1.sound/PRUDENT but often unsophisticated judgment
2. unreflective OPINION of ORDINARY MEN

HIS WORD,CONFIRMED BY HIS SPIRIT,TRANSFORMS.

The result...
YOU LOVE OTHERS.

This is NOT COMMON to MAN.
---char on 9/20/08


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Nicole, there was no evil bishops in the church that Jesus started and is the Head of it. Not a one. You are speaking about the desciples, Pentecost came much later and Juda's was not there for the beginning of the Apostolic Church. Sorry but you are wrong there.
I was speaking of your church the RCC not the Apostolic Church that Christ begin. The RCC was run by many evil bishops who killed, abused, condemned, took bribes, and corrupted His Word and the people. All of those were never picked by Christ they were voted in by other evil bishops. Did He permitted it? Yes He did, for He has a further purpose that has already been written.
---Mark_V. on 9/20/08


TRAY:If what you say and deem to be True, why attack what we Catholics as a Universal church by Jesus Christ as its Founder believe, in HIS word stated by Matt16:13-19.If you do not attack we have no cause to defend. IS it fair for 30,000 to attack one.As you claim you are pointing the way then so are we, which is our entitlement.MIGHT (in numbers) is not right, but Right is Might.The truth shall prevail.
---MIC on 9/20/08


Do we need a PhD to be saved and enter heaven? Peter, and Andrew his brother, James son of Zebedee and his brother John were fishermen. Did they ever attain to full literacy?---Nana

You are good, Nana!

In fact it seems the learned and wise were the ones who didn't find Salvation.

Perhaps Jesus is telling us why he picked fisher men.

Fisher men do, they take action, they obey.

Scholars think first. Assess the situation.
Gather data and argue with themselves and others.
At the end, they still may not ACT.

Funny the next book after the Gospel is Acts!
Not thinkers?

Jesus said He would make them Fishers of Men!

Blessed are the men who Act on the Words of God in their hearts!!!
---Nicole on 9/19/08


Lee, a patient guy. You work hard to show the blind how to get out of the ditch. Sum up in one word the error in this group. Catholic. The name itself the totality of problem. It cannot be found in meaning or intention by any prophet or unto the end of the Bible. Even their Bible.
It cannot be seen by them because they are dedicated to it's defense and theirs by misinterpretation, instead of the prophets defense. Without realizing it most protestant churches fall under the same shadow. We have 30,000 churches, and probably that many faulty doctrines. All go against the prophets. All are man. When we leave mans doctrines we are at least free to learn ourselves from the only teacher and prophets. Be free all. Find truth.
---Trav on 9/19/08


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"Years of schooling plus being a professional research analysis for the government."
"God may have given you common sense but you really need to condition it to accept what is truly logical and rationale and not like the semi-literates that walk up and down the street blindly following something or someone without question.

Sorry you are at such a terrible disadvantage -"
---Lee1538 on 9/16/08

Do we need a PhD to be saved and enter heaven? Peter, and Andrew his brother, James son of Zebedee and his brother John were fishermen. Did they ever attain to full literacy?
---Nana on 9/19/08


Jesus never picks evil bishops,---MarkV.

John 6:70 Jesus anwered them. "Did I not choose you twelve? Yet is NOT ONE OF YOU A DEVIL?"
He was referring to Judas, son of Simon the Iscariot: it was he who would betray Him, ONE OF THE TWELVE.

Whom or what shall I believe? My own eyes?
The Sacred Scriptures I am reading?
Scriptures provided into a single Book.
Words of Jesus guarded by the Fathers of the Church even to the point of blood shed?
Deny Jesus?
Jesus, who made it possible for us to receive Him, so our souls are Passover!

Jesus is the Groom.
The Church is the Bride.
Their UNION produced me.I am the daughter of the Church.

Or shall I believe you?
---Nicole on 9/19/08


There is no better proof of the RCC's fallibility than day old babies born of Christian parents going to hell if they were unbaptized. According to Augustine and sanctioned by Pope Gregory, and all his successors, baptism was a prerequisite of salvation. There was no salvation outside the Church, and by church they meant the Catholic church wherein entry was gained only by Baptism of water. These views were repeated century after century. Any Catholic who doubted it would have been burned by the Inquisition. God's image never emerged more tarnished then from the "witches Manuel" set by Catholic orthodoxy impose by Pope Gregory and instituted punishment of torcher and death to thousands.
---MarkV. on 9/18/08


Jesus never picks evil bishops, evil bishops pick evil bishops in the RCC. They choose or, pick the one who pays the most for the honor of leading the RCC. The RCC is not the Church of Christ, it was and still is following the traditions of other vicars who instituted bulls for their benefit and put fear in the lives of millions through the ages. In the Sixth General Council in the year 680 they declared that the RCC could anathematize heretics, living and dead. Pope Formosus was twice dug up and excommunicated. If they could not find the corpse they were looking for, they tried them anyway. No one was to underestimate the Church power. When the heretics were found guilty all their assets went to the pope. They were evil but not stupid.
---MarkV. on 9/17/08


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Nicole - *You are good with your words.

Years of schooling plus being a professional research analysis for the government.

*You can twist them so well, one can't tell which part is the start or the end.

Not really necessary when the truth alone is provided at a level one can understand.

*Nice try, but God gave me common sense.

God may have given you common sense but you really need to condition it to accept what is truly logical and rationale and not like the semi-literates that walk up and down the street blindly following something or someone without question.

Sorry you are at such a terrible disadvantage - That comes from years of not examining the validity of your fundamental beliefs.
---Lee1538 on 9/16/08


Nicole- your belief that Jesus is the one that selected bishops is really a form of blasphemy.---Lee1538

You are good with your words.
You can twist them so well, one can't tell which part is the start or the end.
Nice try, but God gave me common sense.

I said Jesus picked the Original 12 bishops!

Acts shows that the 13th Bishop was picked by men after praying.

Bishops in the RCC are picked by the Pope.
The basis of an evil bishop picked by a Pope as evidence that the Pope isn't over Jesus' Church is false.

By your logic of thinking, then you have to say Jesus isn't the Son of God, because He picked an evil bishop.
The student isn't greater than the Teacher. Nor the slave than the Master!
---Nicole on 9/16/08


Ruben - *If such a corrupted institution and Luther was mightly used by God, why did Luther not go against Mary-ever virgen and the Real presense both corrupted doctrines according to your interpretation, wouldn't God tell him those two are evil docrtrines...

Why don't you ask God? Perhaps you will find that Luther's role was a limited one but one that would start the badly needed Reformation.
---Lee1538 on 9/15/08


Why, it should be you since you claim he was send by God! The badly needed reformation who could not agree among themselfs and created 30,000 new christians churchs and new doctrines(Bible Alone) with their own interpretation of scripture.
---Ruben on 9/16/08


The base that is NOT covered in the least by Ruben is the first base - the one that says the church in Matthew 16:18 that Christ spoke of is the Roman Catholic church.

And then the second base- the one that says some kind of authority was handed downward to the bishops of Rome to rule over other churches.
---Lee1538 on 9/15/08

Lee, Jesus establish a Church on earth as you quoted on Matthew and he also said everything he has came from the one who send him.Then he told the apostles "as the Father send me I send you send you" and from Paul and Timothy writing they are to past it on. So you see I and already home, you my friend are just coming to bat!
---Ruben on 9/16/08


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Ruben - *If such a corrupted institution and Luther was mightly used by God, why did Luther not go against Mary-ever virgen and the Real presense both corrupted doctrines according to your interpretation, wouldn't God tell him those two are evil docrtrines...

Why don't you ask God? Perhaps you will find that Luther's role was a limited one but one that would start the badly needed Reformation.
---Lee1538 on 9/15/08


MIC - *Lee:All bases are covered by Ruben who is doing his best to convince You.

The base that is NOT covered in the least by Ruben is the first base - the one that says the church in Matthew 16:18 that Christ spoke of is the Roman Catholic church.

And then the second base- the one that says some kind of authority was handed downward to the bishops of Rome to rule over other churches.

Finally there is the 3rd base that it is essential for one to be a Roman Catholic in order to be most in favor with God.

If you or Ruben cannot make it to any of the first 3 bases, then obviously you will never reach home.
---Lee1538 on 9/15/08


MIC - *what is he noted as a patron of.do you pray to him...

In view of the fact that our Lord loves us with a much deeper love than anything in His creation, one can almost say that it is a slap in His face to pray to something or someone of lesser importance.

Roman Catholics are taught to be in dread fear of the Lord fearing to approach Him preferring instead to pray to a lesser deity such as Mary, a created being or one of the lesser entities for intercession.

But Scripture commands us to go directly to God with all our needs.

Heb 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
---Lee1538 on 9/15/08


Nicole - *Anyone can deposit anything in Wikipedia.

While different authors may deposit most anything in Wikipedia, your problem remains as what was posted can be verified by creditable historians.

Do you want me to give you the same statement from other sources or do would you continue to believe as you were taught that the Roman Church was without fault despite the finding of Roman Catholic and other creditable historians?
---Lee1538 on 9/15/08


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Lee:All bases are covered by Ruben who is doing his best to convince You.By nature you show you need to be Right even when you are wrong or doubtful.I have heard about St George who slew the dragon and the angel of Light cast out of heaven But St Luther the Apostate is a new one by you.BTW what is he noted as a patron of.do you pray to him?Was Judas a saint too?He was one of Jesus apostles who betrayed His saviour.
---MIC on 9/15/08


a very brief and useful history lesson from Wikipedia.---Lee1538

Your source has a big hole it it.

So, - a very brief and useful history lesson from Wikipedia.

Anyone can deposit anything in Wikipedia. You and I as well.

I can add information about Russia's history between the years of 1254 to 1485 to Wikipedia. Do I know anything about Russia's history during that time?
Can I prove anything I submitted to Wikipedia? No

No matter, Wikipedia will let me enter the information anyway.
They trust anybody.

Please come with another source for your data. Wikipedia is good as an 2nd source verify.(I have used them as well, but I can produce a more reliable 1st source)
But, not as your only source.
---Nicole on 9/15/08


The church is full of false teachers. St. John noticed it in the first century - MANY anti-Christs. It is no different now. It is not limited to the Catholic and main-line Protestant churches who substitute tradition for plainly-stated Bible truths. Many Pentecostal/Charismatic/Apostolic/Third Wave people add their own doctrines to the Bible and those doctrines become the focus of their preaching and writing.

The BIble says the way is narrow and the long I live, the more I see HOW narrow. We must stick with the truths of God's word and not go down these bunny trails which lead to very unpleasant places.
---John on 9/15/08


As Martin Luther was mightly used of God to save that church Christ spoke of in Matthew 16:18 - you know the one that gates of hell would not prevail against - he was definitely a saint.

You have to admit that the Roman Catholic church of today (established as a denomination at Trent), would not have continued to exist if not for the Reformers as civil authority would have eventually destroyed such an corrupted institution.
---Lee1538 on 9/15/08

If such a corrupted institution and Luther was mightly used by God, why did Luther not go against Mary-ever virgen and the Real presense both corrupted doctrines according to your interpretation, wouldn't God tell him those two are evil docrtrines...
---Ruben on 9/15/08


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MIC - *ST martin Luther? in what church?

A saint in the biblical sense is merely a genuine Christian - a sinner saved by grace alone thru faith in Christ alone, not someone who has been successful in hiding his or her sinfulness making others believe he or her is a holy person.

As Martin Luther was mightly used of God to save that church Christ spoke of in Matthew 16:18 - you know the one that gates of hell would not prevail against - he was definitely a saint.

You have to admit that the Roman Catholic church of today (established as a denomination at Trent), would not have continued to exist if not for the Reformers as civil authority would have eventually destroyed such an corrupted institution.
---Lee1538 on 9/15/08


Nicole - a very brief & useful history lesson from Wikipedia.

In 1514 Albert of Mainz obtained the Electorate of Mainz, and in 1518 was made a cardinal. Meanwhile to pay for the pallium of the see of Mainz and to discharge the other expenses of his elevation, Albert had borrowed 21,000 ducats from Jacob Fugger, and had obtained permission from Pope Leo X to conduct the sale of indulgences in his diocese to obtain funds to repay this loan, as long as half the collection was forwarded to the Papacy. An agent of the Fuggers subsequently traveled in the Cardinal's retinue in charge of the cashbox. For this work he procured the services of John Tetzel, and so indirectly exercised a potent influence on the course of the Reformation.
---Lee1538 on 9/15/08


Nicole - your belief that Jesus is the one that selected bishops is really a form of blasphemy in view of the fact that from a historical standpoint, bishops were either appointed by the State or the office was purchased by wealthy individuals as in the case of Albrecht who 'donated' 30,000 ducats to buy his archbishopric. His underlying was the Tetzel who sold indulgences in order to pay off his loans.

Of course, what I say probably will not benefit you as your knowledge of church history especially the Reformation is very limited and bias.
---Lee1538 on 9/14/08


Nicole = *So, if Jesus the God picked a bad bishop, how are you saying that the RCC, the Pope won't do the same?
And in any case, if that bad bishop tells you to do something like rob a bank for him, you are obligated under your mindset to obey.
---Lee1538 on 9/11/08

Lee, please look at what you wrote.
I said that Jesus picked a bad bishop.
You compared a evil bishop to Jesus in asking me if the evil bishop told me to rob a bank....?
Does that make any sense to you?

I was saying that if God picked an evil man to be a bishop and He is all knowing, how can a simple man who's knowledge is limited avoid picking an evil bishop?

Your question doesn't fit!
Or are you saying Jesus would tell me to rob a bank?
---Nicole on 9/13/08


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ST martin Luther? in what church? who cannonised him?what miracles did he perform? a divided Protestant church-Cof E,Protest-an-ISM, now with 3000 different denoms,who is mocking God here.SHAME.and people believe this .and they call them selves Christians Followers of Christ was Luther Christ.
---MIC on 9/13/08


*It still does not take away the fact he was send by God (according to you), why would God not tell Martin that the real presense and Mary born without sin that the corrupt church teaches was wrong.

Come on Ruben, anyone should realize God uses as His instrument even imperfect people to do His will. No ones theology or beliefs are perfect.

In any case, any church historian will tell you that the established church at that time was grossly corrupted and needed reform. All too often decisions have to be made in a crisis mode and the outcome is not always predictable.

God is the god of history whether you like it or not as it is He that controls events, even our salvation. And that is why I believe he used St. Martin Luther.
---Lee1538 on 9/12/08


Lee* Much of what Luther believed in was not accepted even by his followers or other Reformers or even by Christians today.

It still does not take away the fact he was send by God (according to you), why would God not tell Martin that the real presense and Mary born without sin that the corrupt church teaches was wrong?

Lee* While advocating Sola Scriptura (Bible alone),

He also said what a mistake I made and what monster did I created.
---Ruben on 9/12/08


Ruben, when an institution began's introducing new meanings to Scripture many things come into light why their teachings are false. It begans to contradict the Word of God a little at a time. Centuries later, more and more false doctrines change the whole meaning of God's Word. And at some point you will have to admit what you are taught is false. And when they are deep in mud, and cannot answer from Scripture, they say they created the Word of God. Which really takes them deep in a hole because now they are claiming that they existed before the Word. And I don't doubt that because Emcee and many believe Mary was created not yet born in Genesis. How far will you go down the wrong path?
---Mark_V. on 9/12/08


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Ruben, you are admitting there was many bad popes but more good one's then bad one's. So what happened to all those people who followed the teachings of the bad one's? Are they going to hell? And what happened to the Holy Spirit at that time? He must have not been instructing the bad popes, and if He was, why were they bad? You don't realize that whatever they spoke became truth to the Church. And whatever false doctrines they introduced were never removed. When popes quote on a subject they always use prior popes comments to make sure they don't speak against the others. So how can you change what was bad by the good one's? If they did, they would admit many false doctrines by those bad popes.
---Mark_V. on 9/12/08


Nicole I have give numerous web sites that show many popes were murderers. Other popes had their children become popes. Have you read any of them? Many books on Papal history do not gloss over the Borgian popes or many of the others in the Middle ages who bought the right to be pope.
---Samuel on 9/11/08

Did not Jesus use wicked, sinful men. John 11:49-55, Matthew 23:1-3 and Judas who betray Jesus and the first pope Peter who Jesus call satan and denied him three times and besides there were more good popes than there were bad popes
---Ruben on 9/11/08


Ruben *Why Lee then did you turn your back on God, you see Martin Luther believe in the real presence and Mary-ever virgin?

Much of what Luther believed in was not accepted even by his followers or other Reformers or even by Christians today. He came out of Roman Catholicism but did not reject all of their unique beliefs. Even Lutherans today reject transubstantiation, preferring what is known as consubstantiation instead.

While advocating Sola Scriptura (Bible alone), he violated his own principles by believing in the intercessory prayers to Mary (even kept a diary of his prayers to her), as well as believing Mary was forever a virgin despite the clear words of Scripture that she beget other children.
---Lee1538 on 9/11/08


Samuel,
I have given a number of examples to Nicole about the popes and the rcc as well. She refuses to even investigate any of these matters, she views them as protestant lies. All the examples I gave to her are to be found in catholic documents, not protestant ones. Fr Malachi Martin spoke extensively on how satan has entered the rcc, but she refuses to accept any of the evidence. She believes what she believes, but as most catholics, she will not look at truth, but follow the traditions of men.
---wayne on 9/11/08


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During the Reformation (and you will find this true from Roman Catholic historians), the institutionalized church was grossly corrupt. It was God that sent Martin Luther and others to take back His Church from those evil people.
---Lee1538 on 9/11/08
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Why Lee then did you turn your back on God, you see Martin Luther believe in the real presense and Mary-ever virgn?
---Ruben on 9/11/08


Nicole I have give numerous web sites that show many popes were murderers. Other popes had their children become popes. Have you read any of them? Many books on Papal history do not gloss over the Borgian popes or many of the others in the Middle ages who bought the right to be pope.

In 1298, Pope Boniface VIII ordered that every man, woman, child, and animal in the Italian town of Palestrina be slaughtered. He was known for torture, massacre, and ferocity.
Russell Chamberlin, pages 77-126. Malachi Martin, page 171-176. Claudio Rendina, pages 376-379. Paul Johnson, A History of Christianity, pages 191, 218-219. Richard P. McBrien, pages 229, 232, 435. (Chamberlin, Martin and Rendina tell about the destruction of Palestrina.)
---Samuel on 9/11/08


Nicole = *So, if Jesus the God picked a bad bishop, how are you saying that the RCC, the Pope won't do the same?

And in any case, if that bad bishop tells you to do something like rob a bank for him, you are obligated under your mindset to obey.

And that is why we Christians have problems following evil rulers. I rather doubt that scripture tells us to do that.

During the Reformation (and you will find this true from Roman Catholic historians), the institutionalized church was grossly corrupt. It was God that sent Martin Luther and others to take back His Church from those evil people.
---Lee1538 on 9/11/08


Samuel, bad apple? Office? Murderer? Please be more specific.
I don't know what mixing of my post you have collected.

Jesus chose Judas.
But we can't pick a bad Bishop?
Do better than Jesus?
Are you saying a evil Bishop can't be a Bishop because he is evil?--Nicole 8/14

You changed the argument.
The original argument is that Jesus Himself appointed an evil bishop.
That is the facts.

So, if Jesus the God picked a bad bishop, how are you saying that the RCC, the Pope won't do the same?

By the way, Judas was not removed by Jesus or by the other Disciples.

Judas was removed by Judas. Suicide.

So, what are you saying?
---Nicole on 9/10/08


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3. Where did Jesus give instructions that the Christian faith will be based soley on a book or books?

In the Old Testament when he answered Satan and in paul's letters to Timothy.

4. Where did Jesus tell his disciples to write everything down and gather it into a bible where it is final authorithy?

John mentions why they wrote them down. John 21

5. Why does the bible say the church is the pillar and foundation of truth?(1 Tim 3:15)

Because the Church is supposed to uphold truth. Where do we find the truth? In Scripture. John 17:17

---Samuel on 9/8/08


"I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written Amen (Jhn 21:25)
---Ruben on 9/10/08


Yes, false teachers are infiltrating the church today. Check out the DVD by Dr. Jack VanIpe on "Christianity Saduced". This DVD may help.
---Leslie on 9/9/08


*We have the anointing, we need no earthly spiritual teachers at all. Let God's spirit be your ONLY teacher.

If we do not need any earthly spiritual teachers, then why does God call certain people into the ministry of teaching?

1Co 12:28 And God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, then miracles, then gifts of healing, helping, administrating, and various kinds of tongues.

Eph 4:11 And he gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers,

Do you suppose that God's Spirit wants to use teachers to help you understand and grew spiritually?
---Lee1538 on 9/8/08


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