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Why does the Christian Church practice so many pagan rituals and holidays? (i.e. Christmas on Dec. 25th, Easter 1st Sunday after the Vernal Equinox March 22, and the worshipping of the sun)

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Dear Brothers and Sisters in Christ:

Quite frankly, the "Catholic" church is the main culprit in this crime. Way back in the 4th century A.D. Constantine wanted to bring unity to his kingdom by integrating Christianity in with all the other pagan religions from around the Roman Empire.

Many Roman soldiers favored "Mithrates" from Mesopotamia and since his birth was celebrated on December 25th, Constantine thought it convenient to make Christ share a day with a pagan/prophet in hopes that everyone would be happy.

At the end of the day, Roman Catholicism is nothing more than compromised Christianity. Paganism, heresy and Christianity are its 3 main ingredients.
---Higgins on 6/12/10


Interesting article on a related subject entitled "Borrowing from the Neighbors: Pagan Imagery in Christian Art" at Biblical Archaeology Review website.
---scott on 3/18/09


Rob:-Are you living in the present days or are you still in Genesis when people Had no knowledge Education or understanding ,never went to school and believed in MYTHS.Then sir, act your age.Would and do you owe allegiance to Your President and country.?If you (most unlikely) be called to be left standing in front of such Digntaries How would you greet them if you were told you would have to follow a proticol.The Pope is the representative of Jesus and therefore deserves the respect of His office.Yes there are statues of Jesus,His mother but they are replicas they have no life would you call an image of Jesus an Idol or another God?ARE YOU A SAINT.PROVEN?Those declared WERE PROVEN.
---MIC on 12/12/08


Mic, why do you write some things and leave out others. You wrote you do not find images of birds 4 footed animals or reptiles, but you neglected to mention the images made to look like mortal man, Romans 1:23.

Do you deny that the Roman Catholic Church has statues of Mary that they worship and pray to.

What about the Pope, who Roman Catholics call the Holy Father, is infalable, and bow down to as if he is the one they worship.

What about the Pope "cannonizing" those who have died and declaring them to be Saints if he determines they meet certain criteria.

The Bible teaches that those who have a trusting and committed faith in the finished work of Christ are Saints, and this is while they are still alive.
---Rob on 12/11/08


ROB:-First you say you do not understand all about the R/Catholic church But venture to quote Romans1:18-32 which deals with the "Guilt of Humanity" not the RCC have you seen replicas of BIRDS or 4 footed animals or reptiles "?I am an RC & I dont see them. But in the same tract I see Verse20-21/25-27which fits a resemblance of much spoken of here on CN.
---MIC on 12/10/08




I don't know everything about the Roman Catholic Church, but I do know they are mentioned several times in scripture, for example in Romans 1:18-32.

Many of the religous, pagan, and idolatric practices a person may see in churches have came from the Roman Catholic Church.
---Rob on 12/7/08


posted by Earl on 11/20 ...Can you speak more of what you state as God's Word
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you expect me to provide MORE scripture?

where is the scripture you have that supports your idea's?

my last post I chose not to post scripture as it is clear you do not understand Gods Word ...I have the scriptures that back up that post but you have not once provided any scripture in any of your posts

you only want to defend pagan traditions with reasoning and without Gods Word ..there is no truth to what you post which is why you choose not to use scripture

when you can provide scripture you believe supports your idea's I would be happy to continue providing scripture and discussing
---Rhonda on 11/22/08


Through God's many revelations to mankind Rhonda,there is now many religions based upon those revelations.Man is given the choice to reveal what he/she has experienced as true .Some maintain higher content of what has no value while others maintain a higher content of what is truth based upon personal interpretations.Some religions have yet to update the revelation given to them .Jesus giving a new revelation to the Jews is an easy one since the revelation took place not long ago and much is said about it.This is common world wide.
Can you speak more of what you state as God's Word.
---earl on 11/20/08


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Rhonda,Religion is a belief based on what an individual knows as truth .Religion is one's current examination of God.Religion is always updating...
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Earl

religion is not truth ONLY Gods Word is truth

if given lies believing as truth God corrects if he calls one to truth ...remember Christ chose Apostles they did not choose him ...scripture shows many people who heard truth did not accept walked away

...religionists evaluate and "update" Gods Word to FIT world and pagan traditions which True Christians have been called out from

pagan xmas, easter for ishtar and other heathen holidays are not honoring God The Father and Creator of ALL ...these days honor another spirit 2Corin 4:4
---Rhonda on 11/20/08


Rhonda,Religion is a belief based on what an individual knows as truth .Religion is one's current examination of God.Religion is always updating,however slowly it progresses.
Paganism woven into christianity is baggage but remains as christianity not paganism.Those who are not knowledgable in the differences are not necessarily undesirables but may be just un knowledgable of certain facts while remaining loyal to God.
Paganism can be extracted from christianity but then it would not be called christianity.
---earl on 11/19/08




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If there was only one interpretation then why so many organized religious groups
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Earl

Religion is not from God

Religion is mans idea about God USING Gods Holy Bible creating antichrist doctrines about what they THINK

Satan is god of this world (2Corin 4:4) father of lies (John 8:44) who DECEIVES WHOLE world (Rev 12:9)

...no great thing if his (satan's) ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness (2Cor 11:14)

...In OT & NT Christ described as God who never changes (Mal. 3:6, Heb. 13:8)

Man's traditions like xmas, easter for goddess Ishtar are from pagan traditions ...Salvation is not a free ticket to eternal life while mocking God honoring heathen
---Rhonda on 11/18/08


Earl, Christians keep pagan holidays, not the biblical Holy days. Christians worship on sundays instead of Shabbat. So point to the commandments please, prove my point for me.
---wayne on 11/16/08


Rhonda,Yes ,you do interpret God's word.Example-Jesus stated that believers should not forget to assemble .If there was only one interpretation then why so many organized religious groups and which I am sure you are a part to one but not the other/another because you believe one over the other as correct and accurate.In addition ,because of many interpretations unity is breeched where by interpretations of many uniformity is now the goal.
When you say ,by your interpretation of my post that I am a part of a undesirable movement you have catagorized a person, as in this case, lesser than yourself in your religious movement.
What is undesirable to God is lack of love toward one another-the golden rule-Jesus' core teaching.
---earl on 11/16/08


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Rhonda,If you interpret God's word then you also experience what he thinks
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No I do not "interpret" what God's Word says

Earl you must be part of the new age false christian movement "just believe on Christ" pay no mind to Gods Word just "love everyone"

True Christians have Gods Spirit dwelling in their minds his Holy Spirit is a gift given at baptism (Acts 2:38) his Spirit teaches TRUTH (Acts 5:32, John 16:13)

Gods Word is not open to "interpretation" ...as many self professing christians have been TOLD by the false ministers they adore(Matt 7:21)
---Rhonda on 11/16/08


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Antichrist is all that is in defiance of love-the golden rule.
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Earl, I have no clue what you are trying to imply with your post here and it is unsupported by Gods Word

ANICHRIST is simply AGAINST Christ

anti means AGAINST

to be against Christ you follow doctrines created by men unsupported by Gods Truth ...doctrines created by men are antichrist to Gods Truth and unsupported by Gods Word ...Apostles did not celebrate man made holidays of xmas, easter(day for goddess ishtar) or b-days ...they followed Christ who honored God with his feast days

following pagan days and traditions of men would be an example of being AGAINST Christ
---Rhonda on 11/16/08


Rhonda,If you interpret God's word then you also experience what he thinks.Therefore your statement toward antichrist activity is what?And is that your interpretation?
Clarification -On God's love-We all are,as I see it, loved equally -no race or gender favoritism.
If you interpret religious traditions then are you are grasping what God thinks?Is it antichrist to interpret?
Antichrist is all that is in defiance of love-the golden rule.
Traditions of churches is simply traditions useful or not to those who interpret them.
---earl on 11/14/08


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Wayne ,you said,on holy days God "said to keep".In relation to your statement on traditional practices ,Can you Tell me the difference between the ten commandments in exodus twenty versus the ten commandments in deuteronomy five??
If you can, then what will you think my question to you will be ?
---earl on 11/14/08


Christians are violating God's law everyday and dont care. You have made Yeshua into your image instead of accepting Him as He is. You have made Him to be God, even though He is a Shaliach or emissary which means He is given the full authority to act in God's Name such as forgiving sins, healing and such. If Yeshua is God then why does scripture state He needed the Holy Spirit to do these miracles, Acts 10:38. There are hundreds of verses, that back this but christians dont want to be proven wrong, thier pride gets in the way. Worship the one true God and Father.Keep God's commandments and the Tesimony of Yeshua.
---wayne on 11/14/08


There is a difference between Yeshua and the christianised jesus. Yeshua says he did not come to weaken the law and prophets( From Aramaic trans) but the churches preach a jesus that says he abolished the law. Even though even in the greek it doesnt say this. Christians want an easy salvation and have followed the heathen way for centuries. You worship on the day of the sun but refuse the Sabbath. You celebrate pagan holidays, but refuse the Holy days God said to keep. You say jesus which means nothing,and refuse to use Yeshua which is His God given Name. You say there is no law, but want people to tithe which is law. Christianity is a buffet of everyones choosing.
---wayne on 11/14/08


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There are many useless man made traditions that people are active in and think God is showing special respect to those that participate in them
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"think" God shows special respect? that directly contradicts Mark 7:7 ....which do you believe Gods Word (his Truth) or what you "think" God thinks

big difference between man made ideas traditions and opinions and Gods Truth contained in his Holy Bible

but then again that is EXACTLY what false ministers do ...they TELL OTHERS what God "thinks" which is ANTICHRIST to Gods Word


Constantine blended pagan traditions into rcc PROTESTant daughters follow ...True Christians HONOR God by celebrating his feast NOT pagan days 2Corin 4:4
---Rhonda on 11/13/08


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God is universal and not restricted or exclusive to christian domination
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Earl youre misguided or completely confused between RELIGION God of HolyBible

MANY profess Christ on lips never obey or even read Gods Truth ...led away by false ministers of light who TELL THEM what to believe

Christians are CHOSEN ...God chooses people to walk with Christ and overcome world as he did ...whether once Jews, catholics, Muslims, Atheists, or different ethical backgrounds ...once a person IS CALLED BY GOD, then REPENTS and is baptized from their sins they become Christian

religious christianity is NOT same as Christians ...True Christians know God calls us out from world 2Corin 4:4 and pagan traditions
---Rhonda on 11/13/08


what about idols? aren't they paganism too?
---mike on 11/12/08


People of all nations are called out by the spirit of tuth to begin and maintain service to the Infinite Father,not christians only.God is universal and not restricted or exclusive to christian domination.If it were then the house divides itself willingly.
Traditions is the topic here and many employ the traditions of men maintaining the traditions in honor and respect to God as they understand him.Above all interests God requests our service to our fellow men and women-love them as we love ourselves.
Service is simple and does not require baggage or bloggage.
There are many useless man made traditions that people are active in and think God is showing special respect to those that participate in them.
---earl on 11/12/08


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Service to God is simple and not bogged or bloged down with baggage.
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service to which "god" Earl?

using history as your guideline? comparing True God to numerous other religions?

God The Father expects TRUE Christians to obey ...many profess christianity choosing to believe whatever men TELL them Gods Word says

Gods Word condemns all things heathen ...heathen is babylon all mystery religions which many new age christian false ministers blend in with TRUE Christianity claiming it's okay ignoring Gods Word

TRUE Christians are called out from the world of Satan and heathen traditions ...to live in it protected from evil by Christ 2Corin 6:16-18, John 17:5
---Rhonda on 11/11/08


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Rhonda,
there are many ,many acts of christians that are traditions in christianity.
Christians are much paganized by their actions called christianity.Christianity itself incorperates some/much paganism .Christianity is also influenced by Zorasrerism,Mythraism,Hellenism,and very institutionalized.Apollo and one greater known than him a man named Paul who heavily influenced the outcome of the teachings of Jesus.
Service to God is simple and not bogged or bloged down with baggage.
---earl on 11/10/08


Becouse, if Torah is gone than every thing is ok, to do, BUT, it is not. You see if we do not have rules inwhich to live by, if we alow oursealv to pick and choose what ruls to follow, we loos the preshas gifts that YAHWHE gave us, yes US!
---Aharon on 11/7/08


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If the attractant(ceremony,rightual,creeds,methods of ) does not interfere with love thy neighbor and is not an evil act then it will correct itself as time passes by.
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very eloquent man made reasoning ...where exactly do you find this in Gods Word?

Satan is father of lies, god of this world AND DECEIVING the WHOLE world John 8:44, 2Corin 4:4, Rev 12:9

you are deceived believing pagan practices man made traditions will be "corrected" Mark 7:7

the "correction" you speak of happens at the resurrection upon Christ return to RULE Gods Kingdom on earth Mark 4:11, 1Corin 15
---Rhonda on 11/6/08


it is difficult for traditionalists to put down old wine and drink the new. Old habits are hard to break and in view of old traditions and mores the traditional leaders maintain authority for long peroids of time giving apprentices time to hone his/her skills to carry on the traditions of men.
However the primitive practices of the old and ignorant are being rethought in our now progressively growing world with awareness of what Jesus did not teach in comparrison to what others interpret from his teachings.
If the attractant(ceremony,rightual,creeds,methods of ) does not interfere with love thy neighbor and is not an evil act then it will correct itself as time passes by.
---earl on 11/5/08


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In institutional "christianity" (buildings, worship centers, spiritual "teachers", etc.), Jesus is revered as an ICON (like a rockstar) and devotion is partisan (like a fan). We are taught a "SCRIPT"ual devotion instead of a PERSONAL devotion and taught only to have an intellectual understanding, not an INNER understanding.

Jesus is the outer temple, we are the inner temple.

John 2:21
"temple of his body".

1 Corinthians 3:16
"you are God's temple".

1 Corin. 6:19
"a temple of the Holy Spirit within,...".

We should worship in our own "inner temple", not pray in public.

Amos 5:21
"I hate...solemn assemblies".
---more_excellent_way on 11/5/08


The first evidence of a pagan church is found when a church practices Idol worship. All pagans love idols. When this happens, Jesus Christ and His gospel is replaced with the churches gospel. When that happens all the rules and teachings remove Christ as the Savior of the World to the church as the savior of the world.
All doctrines are added to support the church not to support Christ. Salvation is through the church, not through Christ. Forgiveness of sins is through the church not through Christ. Devotion is to the saints and not to Christ along. The glory goes to the church and not to Christ.
Who has all these teachings? The RCC.
---MarkV. on 11/2/08


Sang Marie is in insinuation of the pagan wordship of king Jeroboam in 1Kings-12:32,33. 15 DAYS OF THE EIGHT MONTH.
---mendy_francis on 10/31/08


Scott, go to the topic of 'Origins of the Catholic Church.'
I already answered your question about the kissing of Peter's feet statue.
---Nicole on 10/30/08


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Nicole,

Do you think that the thousands of pilgrims who kiss the foot of "St. Peter" while visiting St. Peter's Basilica in Rome, realize that they're actually kissing the foot of the pagan statue of the Greek god Jupiter?

Do you think simply putting a halo on top of Jupiter's head and renaming him "St. Peter," really changed the pagan origins of that false idol in Gods' eyes?
---scott on 10/30/08


The 2nd Divine Person of the Trinity became Human by taking Flesh right?
One of the Three became Flesh.
Jesus is Him in the Flesh.
2nd Divine Person not in Flesh is the 'Word'
But, we are not saying tha Jesus make 4 Persons of the Divine Persons are we?
No we are saying that Jesus is the Same Being who is The 2nd Divine Person of the Trinity.

The 2nd Divine Person who Became Jesus the Son of Mary is the Same Divine Person in the Accident form of Bread and Wine.
I am saying Jesus in the Bread is still Jesus the 2nd Divine Person.

Accident, like Cold, Hot, Softness, Hardness.
You can't give me a bowl of cold or softness.
You can give me a cold cereal bowl.
Cereal is the Substance and cold is it's accident.
---Nicole on 10/3/08


You got it backwards: The Christian Church does not practice pagan rituals, but instead, the pagans take Christian rituals and paganize them.
---Eloy on 10/4/08


When the church became an institutional church under rome, mithraism was combined with christianity. This is where alot of the hoidays came from and alot of the doctrines have come from. Such as Christmas, easter, worship on sunday( day of the sun) and alot of doctrines also came from this strange combo.
---wayne on 10/3/08


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Nicole, Christ who was in the beginning with the Father and the Holy Spirit who all three make One Godhead, you forgot to add the bread. If God incarnates Himself to a piece of bread wouldn't you have to add the bread to the Trinity which would then not be a Trinity.
Christ was incarnated as Jesus, in His humanity He died and resurrected in the flesh. If His flesh is eaten then He incarnates himself to a lifeless object.
No priest can order God to do anything. It is only symbolic of what Christ is for us, He is our life. Spiritual life.
That is why it is impossible for Christ to incarnate Himself into a piece of bread millions of times. We know of one incarnation but not two of them.
---MarkV. on 10/3/08


Jesus was saying was not literal and even though they knew they still insisted to say it was literal.
No true theologian would ever suggest that Jesus turns to a material matter. Not one of them.
You who believe in the Trinity, have now made the Godhead four,
---MarkV.

Jesus said He was bread and wine and told us to eat and drink His Flesh clear as day in the Bible John 6.
Accept it or reject it.

How are you coming up with four.
Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trinity.

3, Jesus said it is Him who becomes the Bread, not God the Father or the Holy Spirit or some other fake divine person.
---Nicole on 10/2/08


No, MarkV, Jesus does not do it Himself. A priest is required to give the order for God to turn Himself into bread and wine. I am not blaspheming: that is what the Catholics believe.
---frances008 on 10/1/08


The concept you want me to understand is that Jesus turns Himself into a piece of bread is more rediculous then anything ever been taught. Jesus doesn't turn into a lifeless object, and the piece of bread doesn't have any ability to turn itself into Jesus. It is a lifeless object with no power whatsoever.
Scripture declares that Christ is at the right hand of the Father.
During the last supper when everyone ate the bread with Jesus, were they all eating Jesus flesh right in front of Him? What kind of people were they? Were they jumping on the table and taking a piece of Christ?
Is the Trinity three persons and a pieace of bread? Trinity is three.
---MarkV. on 10/1/08


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The wafer turning into Jesus real flesh has to come from some crazy guys mind.
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How true commanded by Constantine in 360AD a delusional man using his political power taking his wild fantasies mixing up with pagan practices merging them with Christ

passover is ANNUAL rememberance of Christ death ...Christ commanded Christians to CONTINUE in things learned John 17:7

Matt. 28:19-20, John 13:1-7 Christ never observed lent or Easter commanding Apostles to keep Passover, Days of Unleavened Bread ...giving detailed instructions instituting HIMSELF as NEW Passover SYMBOL

first century Church never observed lent ...antichrist doctrine of lent established by rcc religious system during Council of Nicea 325AD
---Rhonda on 9/30/08


No Nicole, I don't call Jesus Crazy, I call the one's who interpreted the Word of God from the RCC crazy, for they knew what Jesus was saying was not literal and even though they knew they still insisted to say it was literal.
No true theologian would ever suggest that Jesus turns to a material matter. Not one of them. Not even Jesus suggested that He turns into something that has no life, for He was still with them when they ate at the last Supper.
You who believe in the Trinity, have now made the Godhead four, instead of Three since now you have a piece of bread a part of the Godhead. The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, and a piece of bread.
---MarkV. on 9/30/08


We are certain that the first communion involved symbolism. We know that Jesus did not cut his flesh, nor bleed his blood. Therefore symbolism must necessarily have taken place at that first communion. And the truth is that the wine and bread are to be symbolic of the blood and body of Lord Jesus Christ until he comes again.
---mima on 9/30/08


Nicole ... You yourself refer to jesus and "Bread"

Bread with a capital, upper case "B"

THat is not the same as the wafer which you say actually physically becomes Jesus.

Spiritually, yes, but not physically.
---alan_of_UK on 9/30/08


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"" The wafer turning into Jesus real flesh has to come from some crazy guys mind.
---MarkV. on 9/29/08""

Nice to know that you think that Jesus is a crazy guy.

Of course, His enemies (the same people who denied that He could give His flesh to eat) called Him much worse.
---katavasia on 9/30/08


The wafer turning into Jesus real flesh has to come from some crazy guys mind.
---MarkV. on 9/29/08

From your own mouth you called Jesus Crazy.
He is the One in John who calls the Bread His Body.
No matter how much this displeases you, you are not god!
If you do not understand, just pray for wisdom!

The notion that you must be able to understand a concept for the concept to be correct is prideful on your part!

Remember, the Muslims think Christians are foolish and crazy for believing that God became Man and Died for us mere men.

They don't understand that concept either, but Christians are right aren't we?
---Nicole on 9/29/08


The wafer turning into Jesus real flesh has to come from some crazy guys mind. A material thing that has no life, no ability to do anything but be a wafer, having the ability to turn itself into Jesus flesh is what is so amazing.
It could not be the real Jesus but a duplicate of course since Christ nature never changes. His nature remains the same, a living God. Not a piece of wafer. So that substitute, an imposter, is taken so that they can receive salvation. Talk about adding to the Word of God. If that can be done, so can many other things through their traditions.
Are people cannibals? Where does it stop?
---MarkV. on 9/29/08


Continue:
The blood of Christ which covers our sins, is taken by the priest and not the members. So the members eat the flesh of Christ and the priest drink His real blood. Why is is so hard for them not to understand that the holy communion is symbolic? What is so hard to understand that Jesus is in the flesh seating next to the disciples and cannot possibly believe what they are about to drink is the real blood or eat the real flesh since Jesus is right there with them?
"Take, eat, this is My body" Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the New covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."
---MarkV. on 9/29/08


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I believe the teaching of Transubstantiation
to be straight from the pits of hell!
---mima on 9/26/08

Tell me do you even know what Transubstantiation means?

Please give me the definition in your own words.
---Nicole on 9/27/08


Mima, the RCC is straight from the pits of Hell. It is sad that so many innocent people are deceived. (A lot of people who deserve it are also deceived.) Think of all the children who leave the body of Christ and join the atheistic ranks because they cannot accept that God becomes a wafer (sun-shaped wafer). It is the old demon Thoth. The place they put the wafer when they have 'adoration' is also shaped like the sun, with rays coming out of it. Then they put 'god' in the tabernacle for safe-keeping!!! (Lock him up for the night.)
---frances008 on 9/26/08


I believe the teaching of Transubstantiation
to be straight from the pits of hell!
---mima on 9/26/08


Nicole, I will answer you again because my first answer wasn't posted. This time about what you said the last time you spoke to me, Here is what you said, "Lastly I answered, what bread is when its substance changes into Jesus and wine" First you had Jesus changing into bread which is rediculous since He never changes into an object with no life, Now you have the bread substance changing into Jesus which is even worse since the bread does not have the ability to change to God. And you added, "changes to wine" You don't even realize what you are saying and the reason why you are so wrong every time you speak about doctrinal issues. They have you so confuse you really don't know which one you are believing in.
---Mark_V. on 8/16/08


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Nicole, you said, "Lastly, I answered what bread is when its substance changes into to Jesus body and wine" Great, now the Bread's substance has the ability to change into Jesus body and wine. What is wrong with your thinking? How can a piece of bread change into Christ? It's substance is matter that God created, and by stating what you did, you are saying that God becomes a created thing, matter. And you go even further from the Truth because it' substance can change also into wine. Don't you realize how rediculous you sound every time you want to make a point. That is what you are saying.
Those believes of yours are taking you further from the Truth everytime you speak.
---Mark_V. on 8/16/08


1Ti 3:3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,[fn2] but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous,

And the Roman Church really has a problem with alcoholism among its priests.

I once attended a Mass in Southern Maryland with my wife to be and the priest could hardly stand up.
---Lee1538 on 8/15/08


The Pope is human just like everyone else. And they are prone to sin. The believe that they are infallible is one of the worse believes going around the RCC.---MarkV. 8/14

Here we go again. We were moving forward.
Why step back?
Forgot my answer?

The papal infallibility is often confuse the charism of papal "infallibility" with "impeccability." They imagine Catholics believe the pope cannot sin.
Infallibility is not the absence of sin.---Nicole 8/12

So you are wrong about infallibility, since you don't understand it.

Lastly, I answered What Bread is when it's substances changed into Jesus' Body and Wine.
An Accident like Appearances. Not car accident.
I hope it is posted.
---Nicole on 8/14/08


Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." (Ignatius, TO THE SMYRNEANS)

Lee said: I think that was good advise Ignatius gave to the Smyrneans, however, you fail in your history lesson in that you think the bishops he was referring to were Roman Catholics.


Is there another Catholic Church? Ignatuis believe in the Real presence, Infant Baptism, sounds Catholic to me!

Sorry that you up against Christians that test everything to see if it is true.


You mean Christans who think their interpretation of scripture is correct, why?
"And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures"(Mark 12:24)
---Ruben on 8/14/08


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Lee said: Sorry to knock your kindergarten religious upbringing but frankly the verse has nothing to do with any institutionalized church, nor is the statement say that any church would be free from error.


Jesus disagree with you " and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

One reason for the Reformation is that God did not permit the gates of hell to prevail against His church.


Then why did the Reformation disagree among themselfs, and now there are over 30,000 new reformation(Protestant church's)
---Ruben on 8/14/08


Samuel, how is the RCC against the Bible?
Jesus picked Judas. John 6:70
"Did I not choose the Twelve of u myself? Yet one of you is a devil.

RCC did the same as Jesus.

What happen to V 1?
1Tim 3:1 U can depend on this: whoever wants to be a bishop aspires to a noble task.

Then he explains what the office requires of him to lead.
V 14-15 if I should be delayed you will know what kind of conduct befits member of God's household, the Church of the living God,

But, did you notice V 1? Whoever wants to be a bishop:
Bishops are picked by the Pope.
So if you are not within mortal standing, you need to excuse yourself if appointed.

But Judas didn't, as many after didn't and won't in the future.
---Nicole on 8/14/08


Ruben - *You must all follow THE BISHOP as Jesus Christ follows the Father, Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by THE BISHOP, just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." (Ignatius, TO THE SMYRNEANS)

I think that was good advise Ignatius gave to the Smyrneans, however, you fail in your history lesson in that you think the bishops he was referring to were Roman Catholics.

Unfortunately most of your education from the Roman Church has been faulty with a build in bias to serve their agenda.

Sorry that you up against Christians that test everything to see if it is true.

1 Thes. 5:21 Test all things, hold fast what is good.
---Lee1538 on 8/14/08


It is interesting that Lee and I are in agreement here. :)

Nicole the Early Church Fathers state that a Bishop must be blameless and Follow GOD. So does the Bible. NKJV 1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, temperate, sober-minded, of good behavior, hospitable, able to teach,
1Ti 3:3 not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money,[fn2] but gentle, not quarrelsome, not covetous,
1Ti 3:4 one who rules his own house well, having his children in submission with all reverence
1Ti 3:5 (for if a man does not know how to rule his own house, how will he take care of the church of God?),

So the RCC goes against both the Bible and the Early Church fathers.
---Samuel on 8/14/08


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*"the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."(Matthew 18:18)

Sorry to knock your kindergarten religious upbringing but frankly the verse has nothing to do with any institutionalized church, nor is the statement say that any church would be free from error.

One reason for the Reformation is that God did not permit the gates of hell to prevail against His church.

The Roman Catholic mindset is somewhat similar to that of one of the cults in that whenever they see the word 'church' they immediate identify it with the Roman Catholic church, similarly to those that when they see the word 'commandments' they immediately view it as the '10 commandments'.
---Lee1538 on 8/14/08


Nicole, none of what you say is true. The Pope is human just like everyone else. And they are prone to sin, some times worse then any other human. The believe that they are infallible is one of the worse believes going around the RCC. Why? Because everyone believes everything they say. Just as your believe that Jesus Christ has three natures. And you have to believe that in order to believe that Jesus turns into a piece of bread. What happens is that every time your Church changes something to be tradition, it goes against God's Word. It is permitted because it came from some pope. Some of the great theologians in the past were Catholic, but what they believed is not what the Popes taught. This is in history.
---Mark_V. on 8/14/08


Lee said:And I may add that Roman Catholics have been totally unable to give any rationale for their belief that the institutionalized church was given any freedom from error either in practice or doctrine.


"the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."(Matthew 18:18)

Worst yet they have been totally unable to support their view that some kind of dictatorial authority was handed down to the bishops of Rome.


"You must all follow THE BISHOP as Jesus Christ follows the Father, Let that be considered a valid Eucharist which is celebrated by THE BISHOP, just as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church." (Ignatius, TO THE SMYRNEANS)


---Lee1538 on 8/12/08
---Ruben on 8/13/08


*Ruben, Most heritics were already in the Apostalic Church.

And I may add that Roman Catholics have been totally unable to give any rationale for their belief that the institutionalized church was given any freedom from error either in practice or doctrine.

Worst yet they have been totally unable to support their view that some kind of dictatorial authority was handed down to the bishops of Rome.

Again, church politics are much like athletic events in which one teams squares off against another.
---Lee1538 on 8/12/08


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MarkV, this might help you.

The papal infallibility is often confuse the charism of papal "infallibility" with "impeccability." They imagine Catholics believe the pope cannot sin.

Infallibility is not the absence of sin. Nor is it a charism that belongs only to the pope. Indeed, belongs to the body of bishops as a whole, when, in doctrinal unity with the pope, they solemnly teach a doctrine as true. We have this from Jesus himself,"He who hears you hears me" Luke 10:16.

It is a charism the pope "enjoys in virtue of his office, when, as the supreme shepherd and teacher of all the faithful, who confirms his brethren in their faith Luke 22:32. - CatholicAnswers.
---Nicole on 8/12/08


*Last Supper, Jesus called His Blood the New Covenant and you all reject the Wine as true Blood as He said in Chapter 6 of John.

Not at all, I simply accept a more logical, sensible and less superstitious interpretation.

Transubstantiation assumes a miracle is taking place when there virtually is no visible evidence to indicate it.
---Lee1538 on 8/12/08


I have read a number of Early church Fathers which both the Orthodox and the RCC follow. Yet one group demands that their leader is the Only true representive of GOD on earth.

The Early Church Fathers point out many times that in order to be a Bishop the person must be Blameless and of a good report.

Yet in history A Pope murders his predecessor and takes the job. Many keep numerous paramors since they cannot marry. They place their illegitmate male children as Bishops. All that is considered okay against the writings of the Early church Fathers.
---Samuel on 8/12/08


Ruben, Most heritics were already in the Apostalic Church. They have been in the Church since Pentecost. We were warned of that too. For no one is infallible in this world. In his epistle to the Galatian Church, the apostle Paul said, "Though we, or an angel from Heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed" Although the apostles were fallible men, the gospel which they preached, was perfect. The reason for this is given by Paul, "For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord." When they preached on their own with their own thinking, idea's and their reasons, it was not coming from Christ. And many had agenda's for themselves.
---Mark_V. on 8/12/08


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Cor5:17 anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation...many former Roman Catholics reject water poured over a baby's head causes the beginning of that new nature.---Lee1538

Last Supper, Jesus called His Blood the New Convenant and you all reject the Wine as true Blood as He said in Chapter 6 of John.

That's New, the Old was the Passover of the Jewish people feast.

Listen to Christ, since Paul seems to confuse you.

The death and Resurrection is the beginning of the new nature.
You reject the view, because you reject the Authority Jesus gave to Peter!
He has the Keys and this makes you mad.

I heard about the 50 priests and some of the 50 who returned to the RCC.

What Buckingham, no Sequel?
---Nicole on 8/11/08


And that has been the experience of many hundreds of former Roman Catholics who reject the view that a little water poured over a baby's head causes the beginning of that new nature.

Many Roman Catholics cast scorn on those who have this kind of testimony, but they really should read 'Far from Rome, Near to God' - the conversion stories of 50 Roman Catholic priests by Martin Buckingham.
---Lee1538 on 8/10/08



And those 50 former priests and yourself should read the Early Church Fathers on this subject!
---Ruben on 8/11/08


2 Cor. 5:17 Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away, behold, the new has come.

Those of us who have experienced Christ in our lives know what the verse speaks of. Things that we used to love we start to hate, things and people we used to hate, we no longer do so.

And that has been the experience of many hundreds of former Roman Catholics who reject the view that a little water poured over a baby's head causes the beginning of that new nature.

Many Roman Catholics cast scorn on those who have this kind of testimony, but they really should read 'Far from Rome, Near to God' - the conversion stories of 50 Roman Catholic priests by Martin Buckingham.
---Lee1538 on 8/10/08


Nicole, You and I have gone back and forth for a while. I know you're a good person, and why you are on line, and you are doing the best you can. We just have different causes why we are here. As a Catholic I didn't know I needed to have a personal relationship with Christ. I knew about Christ, why He died but that was as far as my faith was concern. I got baptize, I confess my sins to a priest, and nothing ever changed. The RCC was backing me up with it's traditions. I didn't worry about the rest. My life never changed. How wrong I was. I see the same in many others who are members of the RCC. To me it's their loyalty. There is never a transformation in their lives. I do love you no matter what anyone else says.
---Mark_V. on 8/8/08


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MarkV, I was using the tomatoes incident from Lee not you. I am telling you that I gave him the benefit of the doubt that he wasn't using a Racist comment.
I am saying you should do the same with Nana. Plus, I found out Nana is from Puerto Rican.

I don't think you dislike me and esp not because you are not standing up the RCC.

I came to this website knowing that 97% of it's bloggers are not standing up for RCC.

I truly believe you care for us Catholics and fear Hell in our path if we don't leave the Church.

But, standing for the RCC is because I will always stand for Jesus' Church. NO matter what anyone say against His Church.
---Nicole on 8/7/08


Nicole,
"If you stand by the kid getting hit by rocks, you will get hit.". When you made that statement you were not feeling the "love" as stated in, "I love Nicole very much as I do everyone else even though many try to hurt me as an individual with words." and "Anyway I have no beef with you whatsoever as a person, I even mentioned that I love you...". We are "loved" so much (me too) that when I was defending the good that you said about Dr. Stanley in the "Who is Charles Stanley blog", our lover dashed in like a Swashbuckler and began to upbraid me, attempting to put my nose in the dirt. Ahh, love is a many splendored thing!
---Nana on 8/8/08


Nicole, I have mentioned more then three times I was latino. I am very positive that people that don't care about what I say, read what I say in order to throw stones when I speak against their false doctrines. Anyway I have no beef with you whatsoever as a person, I even mentioned that I love you, on the other hand you can defend whatever and whoever you want. I only defend the faith and I try to do it the best way I know how, disproving their false doctrines. I never try to direct evil comments to people. I have picked tomatoes and that brings no shame to me. But No brother or sister in the Lord that I know of speak evil satanist statements to someone else. You are angry at me for not standing for the RCC, but I will when they are right.
---Mark_V. on 8/6/08


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