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Andrew ... "In fact numerous geological features that were once thought to require many thousands or millions of years can be formed in mere hours or days, e.g. canyons, diamonds, stalactites"

I notice you say "in fact", so I assume this has happened? Please can you give some examples of when & where?
---alan8566_of_UK on 1/15/09


Trav I could not, nor would I attempt to control who my daughter married. I would simply advise her as requested. Unfortunately most of the women I have met tend to like bad boys:o). Seemingly equating manliness with badness?

Concerning Cain's wife, the only thing we can be certain of is that she was human, based on the word 'wife' as defined in the verse, ("ishshah"-a woman- [same word used when The LORD brought Eve to Adam], the feminine. of "Iysh"- a man or "Enowsh"- a mortal).
---joseph on 1/10/09


If there be two stories of creation, there also be two stories of the confussion of tongues or speech in Gen 10 and 11. Rather both accounts are of the same event, two events appear only to whom is not familiar with the writter of Gen...
---Nana on 1/10/09


He most likely married a sister born before the fall.
---joseph on 1/10/09

I have a daughter, I know I would not submit her to the degrading terror of lifestyle equally with Cain. I don't think you would either.
---Trav on 1/10/09


"And Cain Knew his wife...Does this pertain BACK to the emnity between Seeds?" From my personal perspective, yes.
I believe this to be explained in the parable of the tares.
Mat. 13:37-39 "He answered and said to them: He who sows the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world, the good seeds are the sons of the kingdom, but the tares are the sons of the wicked one. The enemy who sowed them is the devil..."
There will away be emnity between the two.
John 8:42-44 "Jesus said to them "If God were your Father, you would love Me...But now you seek to kill Me...You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do."
---joseph on 1/10/09




As far a Cain's wife is concerned, there is no reason to believe that Adam and Eve had not given birth to daughters before Cain was born considering that was their primary commission. Although Cain is defined by Dr. Strong as the fratricidal eldest 'son of Adam' (which I personal believe to be an error on his part, simply because he is not listed in the Chronicles of scripture as Adams first born, as per the pattern of chronology). However that is another subject, The point I am making is, Cain is not defined as the first born, and daughters were not usually listed. He most likely married a sister born before the fall.
---joseph on 1/10/09


Duplicate from another Blog...Input appreciated.

Where did Cains wife come From?

If mankind without Breath(soul)...Gen1:26
Was different from "the man named Adam"with breath(Soul)...Gen2:7-Gen2:16
Could Cains Wife be from mankind of Gen1:26?

Gen4:16
And Cain went (out from the presence of the Lord),dwelt in the land of Nod,on the east of Eden.
(Nod)str#5113-Wandering,vagancy,exile...
(the Lost are without God,Wandering in the Wilderness).
I AM:(hayah a prim root of havah)to breath,to be in existence.

Gen 4:17
And Cain Knew his wife...

Does this pertain BACK to the emnity between Seeds?

Be gentle...
God' Peace.
---char on 1/8/09


Maybe one of the Lord's angels decided to have a small picnic while surveying the earth. Or maybe even Jesus left his prints there.

And of course, Warwick may like to tell you that those footprints were left there during the long duration of the first 3 days. LOL
---Lee1538 on 1/7/09

Picnic, good one. There are several claims to the footprints....the best, Paluxy River examples have been discredited by scientist as dinosaurs that walked on their heels instead of toes.

There are two creation accounts in Genesis as you know. Didn't see anyone mention strongs #119 or #120. Which explains who cain went to and possibly who he was afraid of....besides his own.
---Trav on 1/8/09


trav,
I also said "or something like that" too. It wasn't an exact measurement.
Please read all of post before jumping down my throat as usual.
I am speaking of scientific evidence.
And show me where you got the idea that man walked with the dinosaurs.

Warwick,
God does not define his days as we do.
When the 10 Commandments were given to Moses, the days we know had been set up as measurement of time.
But before man was made, how long was a day?
---miche3754 on 1/8/09


trav *Which explains the several fossilized men footprints found with dinosaur footprints.

Maybe one of the Lord's angels decided to have a small picnic while surveying the earth. Or maybe even Jesus left his prints there.

And of course, Warwick may like to tell you that those footprints were left there during the long duration of the first 3 days. LOL
---Lee1538 on 1/7/09




We know that man has been here for a really long time 10,000, b.c. or something like that. And I meant man as we look an think to day, not neanderthals.
I am inclided to believe maybe they were a form of ape that just died off.
---miche3754 on 1/7/09

There is Biblical evidence that there were others before Adam, two creations noted in Genesis. Which explains the several fossilized men footprints found with dinosaur footprints.
10,000,B.C. Where is this found? You said "we know". It would confirm scripture further, and explain the unexplainable days.
---Trav on 1/7/09


Miche, God carefully defined 'day' in Genesis 1, saying He created in 6 of these. In the 10 Commandments he repeated this saying His people THEN were to work 6 of these days and rest the seventh. No one here has come up with a good argument or Scriptural reference to contradict this. Nonetheless they continue with their ideas because they reject God's word when it suits them.

God has clearly defined what His creation week was, exactly the week we live today. Some here reject what God has said in the OT & NT, not for Biblical reasons.

Considering what Scripture says why does anyone want the days to be longer if not to allow for evolution?

Do you think this is the correct attitude of faith a Christian should show?
---Warwick on 1/7/09


how does saying creation took longer that 6 actual days agree with evolution?
I don't think so.
We know that man has been here for a really long time 10,000, b.c. or something like that. And I meant man as we look an think to day, not neanderthals.
I am inclided to believe maybe they were a form of ape that just died off.
This is mainly because there is no real connection between us and them.
It has been proven that species become extinct. And I most certainly have never seen an ape evolve into a man.
What if the stuff before man was part of the first 5(million)days(years)? God's hand slowly changing the earth and universe to what we see today?
---miche3754 on 1/7/09


Andrew - *without deep rapid burial fossilization is unlikely, due to decomposition and scavenging. The presence of billions of fossils is highly consistent with deep rapid burial in the global Flood recorded in Genesis.

That view can be defended rationally as some believe the dinosaurs existed prior to the Flood. They tell me we find no fossil bones in the Mesopotamia region.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/09


Lee, without deep rapid burial fossilization is unlikely, due to decomposition and scavenging. The presence of billions of fossils is highly consistent with deep rapid burial in the global Flood recorded in Genesis.

Oil can be created in mere hours, it does not require millions of years to form. In fact numerous geological features that were once thought to require many thousands or millions of years can be formed in mere hours or days, e.g. canyons, diamonds, stalactites.
---Andrew on 1/5/09


In both Hebrew and English, the word day can have several meanings, and context determines which meaning is the correct one. In Genesis 2:4 the context indicates that "day" is referring to an indefinite period. But in Genesis 1:5,8,13,19,23 and 31 the contexts emphatically and unambiguously indicate an ordinary earth-rotation 24-hour (approx.) day.

Re generations in Genesis 2:4, the book of Genesis contains regular occurrences of the Hebrew term toledoth, translated "These are the generations of". Because of the grammatical and functional similarity to colophons, many Bible scholars see this as evidence that Moses compiled Genesis from ancient, even pre-Flood, historical records that were originally in tablet form.
---Andrew on 1/5/09


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David what God could do is irrelevant. The issue is what God said He did. As Creator of language, He is quite capable of communicating accurately, and he said six days (Exodus 31:17).

No imperative reason exists, either biblical or scientific, for thinking the earth is millions of years old. Science is about measurement, and age cannot be measured.

For philosophical reasons - mainly unwillingness to renounce sin - many scientists choose to reject what God says about history, and to interpret facts in such a way as to exclude God. Likewise, desire for worldly respectability leads many professed Christians to believe vain God-excluding myths of secular science in preference to what God says. Many others are merely deceived.
---Andrew on 1/5/09


Miche I think you understand that I'm saying: Jesus says man was made at the beginning of creation. When this was written the earth was about 4,000 years old or 1,460,000 days therefore day 6 of 1.46 million days is about 4/10,000ths of 1 percent from the beginning. That will do me for 'at the beginning.

I'm quite sure Jesus knew man was not made at the beginning of creation week but at the beginning of the creation which extends from day one to today. We live in the creation don't we.

This destroys Christians long-ages views, which say man appeared at the end of their version of creation. We need to submit to Christ, The Truth,not the changing opinions of men- Col. 2:8

God bless you too.
---Warwick on 1/5/09


Andrew: My belief that God created all things has never interfered with my acknowledging the obvious fact that the God used six eons to complete his creation. The order in which various fossils appear is in complete agreement with and strongly support the Genesis account. The sudden appearance of at least seven varieties of vertebrates in a fossil strata with no evidence of intermediate or missing links further denies the possibility of evolution and supports Godly creation. Of course He could create all things in six days or even six seconds if He so chose. I dont worry about why He chose to do things the way He did. The earth and heavens provide more than sufficient evidence of his amazing creative ability .
---David on 1/5/09


Warwick and Lee, Thanks for your input. The word Generation(s) now is much more meaningful. The fact that Genesis 6:9 uses both of the terms for generation in one verse surprised and interested me. (Strongs 8435 & 1755). I do have an old copy of Revised Standard Version dated 1952. It does use the term Day. That surprised me as elsewhere RSV tends to move away from KJV toward the latest English translations which as you noted do not include the word Day. I have an interlinear OT by G.R. Berry from 1970 that includes the word Day, as does my copy of the International Bible by Jay P. Green (1981). I have no means of determining either scholars qualifications. Again, Thank you.
---David on 1/5/09


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Andrew - the strongest support for evolutionary theories does come from fossil evidence.

What do you account for fossil information? It is probably the strongest thing found in support of evolutionary processes.

Hopefully you will not insult ones intelligence by telling us the devil put fossils in the ground to deceive us.

A person once told me that and we are still laughing as you really convince no one.

Unfortunately this subject is another one of those famous Warwick decrees that you are not a follower of Jesus if you have other interpretations.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/09


Andrew - *Death is an enemy (1 Corinthians 15:26), not something good. A god who used eons of death to create would be an ogre.

I rather doubt that death here really refers to animal or plant life. And can we conclude that much of these deaths were an orge, ie. immediate?

As to death of humans, God rained death down on Sodom and its vicinity and even ordered Israel to destroy the inhabitants of Canaan and that without mercy.While He has no satisfaction in the destruction of the wicked, He has ordered it several times in punishing Israel.





---Lee1538 on 1/5/09


Creation in six ordinary earth-rotation days is a crucial doctrine for several important reasons. Consider two:

1. If what the Bible plainly says about earthly things such as creation is false, then why believe what it plainly says about spiritual things? (John 3:12).

2. Belief that the creation days are millions of years rather than ordinary days goes hand-in-hand with the belief that the fossils, which testify to death and suffering on a monumental scale, constitute a record of those alleged millions of years. This makes a lie of God's Genesis 1:31 declaration that He created everything "very good". Death is an enemy (1 Corinthians 15:26), not something good. A god who used eons of death to create would be an ogre.
---Andrew on 1/5/09


Wayne stated "No I do not believe in the trinity, it is a pagan doctrine.

Unfortunately my eyesight is not as good as it used to be as I mistook this as a comment from Warwick which closely followed his. My apologies.
---Lee1538 on 1/5/09


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3. Six day creation as recorded in Genesis is supernatural, necessitating a Creator God. In contrast, the idea that the Genesis days were millions of years during which the universe grew by itself is a naturalistic explanation, which removes the need for a Creator God. As Richard Dawkins said, Darwin made it possible to be an intellectually-fulfilled atheist.

4. Belief that the Creation days are millions of years strongly correlates with belief that life evolved. But this removes our accountability to God. If God did not create us, but we instead evolved over millions of years during hypothetical long days, then we are not accountable to God, not sinners, and not in need of salvation (whatever that means in a naturalistic worldview).
---Andrew on 1/5/09


Miche you need to carefully read what I have written - warwick 1/05/09

You said man was made at the beginning of Creation.

Genesis says man was made on the 6th day of Creation.

I was talking about the Creation as one single event. God calls it the beginning.
Perhaps you misunderstood what I said.
To understand what Jesus meant, you have to see the Creation as 1 event as a whole not parts. This is what Jesus is speaking of.
He was there at the beginning.
If this is the case, then Creation as we see it could have lasted longer than our traditional 6 days.
Yes, I did read what you said you just misunderstood what I said and I apologize for not being clearer in my response.
God bless you!
---miche3754 on 1/5/09


David - 'generations' in Gen. 2:4 according to commentaries by Gill, Matthew Poole, & Jamieson et al, believe the word refers to the events or history when the heavens & earth were created, "

"That is, the above account, delivered in the preceding chapter, is a history of the production of the heavens and earth, and of all things in them, the creation of them being a kind of generation, and the day of their creation a sort of birthday, see #Ge 5:1 Mt 1:1"

Perhaps Warwick also has a take on this question.
---Lee1538 on 1/4/09


David there are a few views regarding 'generations.' Genesis 2:4 is the first appearance of 'generations','toledoth' in Hebrew which my research shows means the 'signature' of the author, of this part of Scripture. The latter toledoths have human names appended unlike this one, so it seems that up to this point the author was God, no human author yet present.

The word day here appears in the KJV but not other versions I have.

'Day' has three meanings.

Alone it means an unbounded period of time, e.g. 'in my father's day.'

In context it can also mean daylight e.g. ' A day at the beach.'

'Day' with a number attached e.g. five or fifth, always means 24 hours, as in 6-days of creation.

I hope that helps.
---Warwick on 1/4/09


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Lee you wrote'I am still asking why you think one must believe that the first 3 days had to be of 24 hour duration. Is this truly a key doctrine of the faith or is it just another one of your yardsticks you use to judge who truly follows Jesus or who does not?'

Already asked and answered, and answered, and answered.......
---Warwick on 1/4/09


Miche you need to carefully read what I have written.

Jesus said man was made at the beginning of creation (Mark 10:6). Now as a Christian I know Jesus is Creator, there with God when creation was begun. Therefore He is in a unique position to know exactly when man was made, He having made them. Therefore as He knew they were made on day six (and we would not have known had He not told us)He would not say they were made at the beginning if He was referring to the creation week would he? That makes Him out to be foolish, unknowing or a liar.

Therefore it is evident He was saying man was made at the beginning of The creation, the creation we live in. This is in line with other uses of 'creation' in the NT.
---Warwick on 1/5/09


Lee, No I do not believe in the trinity, it is a pagan doctrine. 1 John 5:7 is not found in the ancient manuscripts, plus the book of Acts shows baptism in the Name of Yeshua HaMachiach, not in the trinity. The Holy Spirit is God the Fathers own presence in the world, not a seperate person. This shows you follow the doctrine of rome. Look at the original language of Hebrew Aramaic and you will see for yourself. Through scripture you can never prove the trinity, once saved always saved, or saved by belief alone. This is fact!
---wayne on 1/4/09


Warwick and Lee 1538 - - I have been interested to read your exchange of comments. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts about the use of the word Generations in Genesis 2:4. Particularly as the next phrase uses the word Day. I assume a literal reading of that last phrase would mean it is referring to one day. What is your feeling about the Strongs definition that the word Day (Yowm) means warm hours: and the length thereof is determined by the context in which it is used?
---David on 1/4/09


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Warwick - *you surely believe the beginning was about 13 billion years ago with man appearing around 1 million years ago as some evolutionists say.

I have never made any statement to the effect about any 13 billion years, all I stated was that since the sun was created on the 4th day, the first 3 days could have been of longer duration.

I am still asking why you think one must believe that the first 3 days had to be of 24 hour duration. Is this truly a key doctrine of the faith or is it just another one of your yardsticks you use to judge who truly follows Jesus or who does not?
---Lee1538 on 1/4/09


you have man appearing at the end of creation
---Warwick on 1/4/09

This is true.Man appeared at the last part of Creation. God created man on the "6th day", AFTER the rest of creation was made.
It is quite possible that Jesus is speaking of the "breath of life" that is in all of mankind being with God from the beginning.
AND/OR
Since the creation is several days(God's days, not ours), it is still
1 Complete Event and is the beginning of all things.
So, Jesus could also be speaking in this sense, too.
We must remember what Jesus says is what God says.
---miche3754 on 1/4/09


Lee when Jesus said man was made at the beginning, the creation, as per the genealogies He and the apostles believed, was about 4,000yrs old = 1,460,000 days. God made man on day six so this is about 4/10,000ths of 1 percent from the beginning. That will do me for 'at the beginning.'

Now let's look at your scenario. You surely believe the beginning was about 13 billion years ago with man appearing around 1 million years ago as some evolutionists say. In relation to the 13 billion years age you have man appearing at the end of creation. The opposite of what Jesus, whom you claim to follow, said.

Surely this gives you some inkling about how far you are from the truth!
---Warwick on 1/4/09


*Explain, from Scripture, as Shawn insists, that the days of creation were not all approximately 24hrs.

The fact that there was light on the first 3 days prior to the light from the sun that was created on the 4th day clearly gives us good reason to believe that the first 3 days may very well have been of longer duration than of 24 hours.

And the light prior to 4th day was of a different source. I doubt you can dispute that.


Sorry but all you have is an ASSUMPTION that the light from all days was of 24 hours.

Again, why is this so important to you that we must believe the days were of 24 hour duration?
---Lee1538 on 1/3/09


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*So Jesus says man was made at the beginning of the creation in which we live...

At the very beginning of creation God created light, not man.

And God saw the light was good. And God separated the light from the darkness. God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, the 1st day.

Now where, O'where do you get the idea from scripture these first 3 days were only of 24 hour duration? That in anybodys' reasoning is totally an assumption.

All too often there are those that accuse you of using "human reasoning" if it violates what they want to believe, preferring instead that you leave you brains at the door and accept their beliefs without question.
---Lee1538 on 1/3/09


Lee Shawn insists you hold me to Scripture but when pressed you dismiss Scripture outright, preferring mans opinions.

'Can you give a scripture that says the 'days' in the Genesis creation account were not of different length?'

I've given it at least ten times but your preference for worldly opinions blinds you to God's truth.

Consider Exodus 20:11 'For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and made it holy.'

Explain, from Scripture, as Shawn insists, that the days of creation were not all approximately 24hrs.

You know you can't proving man is your authority not God.
---Warwick on 1/3/09


Lee you wrote 'I think your statement reflects ignorance of the fact that one can totally accept everything in God's word but subscribe to a more rational and reasonable interpretation of it.'

So Jesus says man was made at the beginning of the creation in which we live, but when it passes through your 'rational' man-made filter it comes out that man was actually made almost at the end of 'creation', after the billions of years that your puny deceitful god actually took to get it all done. Interesting! Jesus was wrong, again!

If He was wrong about this how can we trust Him about salvation/eternal life?- John 3:12.

How do you rationally explain Jesus miracles?
---Warwick on 1/3/09


Warwick - *Can you give a Scripture which says they were of different length?

Can you give a scripture that says the 'days' in the Genesis creation account were not of different length?

Based upon scientific evidence concerning the formation of the earth, creation of oil, continental drifts, fossil evidence, etc. we can certainly surmise that it took more than six 24 hour days for God to create this earth.

In any case, why is it so very necessary for one to believe God created the world in six 24 hour days as the Sabbath is not even applicable to the Christian church?
---Lee1538 on 1/2/09


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Warwick - *You believe in evolution and millions of years so your man made story forces you to reject God's word. Is this a good place for a Christian?

I think your statement reflects ignorance of the fact that one can totally accept everything in God's word but subscribe to a more rational and reasonable interpretation of it.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/09


Lee you are being wilfully ignorant.

The 10 commandments illustrate the 6+1 days of creation must be all of the same length, and of the same length as the days which God specified for His people to live.

Can you give a Scripture which says they were of different length?

His formula for them THEN, got that Lee THEN, was that they work six days and rest the Sabbath. If the days were of different lengths(as you insist) then no one THEN, could have known when the Sabbath was THEN, and risked execution.

If you are correct then Atheist is correct in saying God is evil.

You believe in evolution and millions of years so your man made story forces you to reject God's word. Is this a good place for a Christian?
---Warwick on 1/2/09


Warwick - *How could our loving just God threaten execution for any working on the Sabbath if they could not know when it was?

God does not threaten us with execution for not obeying laws that are not applicable to us. Are you a legalist?

Titus 3:4-7 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
---Lee1538 on 1/2/09


Lee you wrote 'Take for instance, the views of Sabbaterians, they must interpret 'days' in Genesis as 24 hour days otherwise, their belief in the Sabbath commandment would be threaten. And that, to many of them, is a perquisite for eternal life.'

The point being discussed here isn't about whether we should keep the Sabbath but that the Sabath commandment (Exodus 20:8) makes absolutely no sense at all unless the seven days are ordinary days, each of the same length.

How could our loving just God threaten execution for any working on the Sabbath if they could not know when it was? I have proposed this to you on a number of occasions but you have failed to respond. Please do!
---Warwick on 1/1/09


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David - *Do the two halves of the statement in Genesis 2:4 contradict each other? Did the 24 hour day start after the fourth day? Well what do you think about this?

While there are no contradictions or errors in the Scripture, the problem is with interpretation and with those whose basic doctrines depend upon certain interpretations.

Take for instance, the views of Sabbaterians, they must interpret 'days' in Genesis as 24 hour days otherwise, their belief in the Sabbath commandment would be threaten. And that, to many of them, is a perquisite for eternal life.
---Lee1538 on 1/1/09


Another tradition worth kicking around is: God created the heavens and the earth in six twenty-four hour days... Consider two items before responding. (1.) Genesis 2:4 These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens .KJV (2.) The Bible also records that the sun moon and stars were created on the fourth day.

Do the two halves of the statement in Genesis 2:4 contradict each other? Did the 24 hour day start after the fourth day? Well what do you think about this?
---David on 1/1/09


Wayne 1)Let us say it is necessary to evaluate a person who claims to be a follower of Christ. What standard would be employed as to the nature of his belief system? First it would be necessary to determine what constitutes orthodox Christian doctrine as held by the saints of the church over the centuries. Then one would examine each of the persons beliefs against that standard.

Secondly, I would examine his character in the most strident ethical light possible. If he had been a deacon or elder, how did the community view his character? (2 Tim 3:7 Moreover, he must be well thought of by outsiders, so that he may not fall into disgrace, into a snare of the devil.)
---Lee1538 on 12/31/08


Wayne 2) I would have no problem if evaluated under the above criteria, having served faithfully in several fundamental & Biblical oriented churches, I believe all my doctrinal views would stand the test. Having served in the various church offices (elder, head trustee, Sunday school teacher, head usher, choir director,Bible distribution society and often a volunteer for various church projects), it is doubtful I would fail any character test either.

Having reviewed some of your post, you do not even believe in the Trinity. According to all reputable books on cults that in itself is an indication you would fail any test of orthodoxy even in the first review. And you don't seem able to get along very well with anyone on this forum.
---Lee1538 on 12/31/08


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Lee, maybe your the one following a different Yeshua, but you would never think of this. You mention the book of romans, but if you didnt notice, the verse you mention only mentions one of the two commandments that Yeshua says the whole of the law and prophets hang on. Matt 7:21-23 the word iniquity comes from the greek anomia which means to negate the law or do away with the law, so those who are saying Lord Lord and did all these wonderful things in His Name will be told He never knew them because the did away with the law. But that doesnt matter to you, your taking the wide way.
---wayne on 12/31/08


Lee, 2Peter 3:15-16 speaks of those who do not understand what Paul was saying and twist his words into something different to thier own destruction. This is you and those like you who feel all they have to do is believe. Well if you believed you would keep the law because of the love and belief you have in God, not to earn your way into Heaven, for we could never do that. But you want an easy salvation, and it will be to your own destruction. Yes Iam a priest, and I care enough to tell you the truth, even if you do not accept it, so I shake the dust off of my feet as a wittness against you.
---wayne on 12/31/08


What often grieves me is to see someone that says he is a priest but simply does not even know the basics of the Christian faith.

Unfortunately there are those who have their religion but lack the indwelling Holy Spirit as they teach a system of rituals and laws that they use as a standard to judge others as being followers of Christ.

While Scripture tells us that love of neighbor is the fulfillment of the law (Romans 13:9,10), they stand in judgment of those who truly believe and strive to practice that. They do not believe 'that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit'. Romans 8:4.
---Lee1538 on 12/30/08


'Wayne - *It doesnt matter what you say the facts remain, you say you follow Yeshua, but in reality you do not.

You are probably right I do not follow your Jesus as there is out there another Jesus that comes from a different gospel than the one preached by the Apostle Paul.

2Co 11:4 For if someone comes and proclaims another Jesus than the one we proclaimed, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or if you accept a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it readily enough.

And thanks for the commendation as all in Christ will certainly be accused of being liars, lawless or evil people but the Lord knows those that are His.2 Tim. 2:19
---Lee1538 on 12/30/08


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Lee ,It doesnt matter what you say the facts remain, you say you follow Yeshua, but in reality you do not. You also make Paul out to be a lier and a man of hypocrisy! Deep down you know this is true, the scriptures tell us to keep the law but you and most of the so called christains negate the law and practice lawlessness! This is fact, I pray your hearts will be open, so say what you wish for scripture tells us what is true. Your words prove how false you are, you worship with lip service, your hearts are far from Him. You say you believe and have faith, but your works do not back it up, for you despise the Fathers will and His law.
---wayne on 12/30/08


wayne - *The worst doctrine being taught is that the Law is done away with! Christians talk of love only...

And that comes from the simple reading of Romans 13:9,10 which state that love of neighbor fulfills the law.

And also from Galatians that tells us that the law as a mere schoolmaster until we could be justified by faith in Christ and thus is no longer under the schoolmaster.

For many of us, what would be lacking in the Christian life if we truly loved our neighbor? No religiosity such as animal sacrifices, no dietary laws or Sabbath observances? No feelings of being holy? Horrible!
---Lee1538 on 12/29/08


"Pastors" desperately need to preserve their 'moneychanger empire'.

Ephesians 2:15
"by abolishing in his flesh the law of commandments and ordinances...".

The law of LIBERTY is just that...LIBERTY.

IF you truly live by the spirit/love (as many will claim they do), you will automatically be fulfilling the law...

Romans 13:10
"Love does no wrong to a neighbor, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law".

Our faith must be borne out of love, we should have a "FAITH for FAITH" (Romans 1:17, Hebrews 11:6). We must "walk by the SPIRIT" (Galatians 5:16, 25).

We don't need worship centers/buildings or earthly spiritual teachers. JESUS is our sabbath.
---mort_waye_excellen on 12/29/08


trav,
I know love from God when it is written.
And it is not in your words or your heart for me.
You have no reason to rebuke me in the first place. This is why I say this.
You constantly give scripture to defend your belief that racism is biblical when it is not.
You "openly rebuke me" when I gave scripture and had the help of my fellow Christians that openly rebuke and prove wrong what you have said.
Your "rebuke" comes from the fact that I disagree with what YOU believe,and that I am a woman that seeks knowledge and to be closer to God.
You can go ahead and still "rebuke". I will still stand for God and still bless you for the "rebuke".
---miche3754 on 12/29/08


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The worst doctrine being taught is that the Law is done away with! Christains talk of love only, well if they love God they would lovingly keep the commandments of God. They do not do this though, thay dont feel they have too. Following the commandments is the law of liberty. And yet those who claim to follow Yeshua are the most lawless people I have ever seen. Yeshua is my Lord and Saviour, but this doesnt mean we do not have responsability to keep the commands, and I pray God will open eyes to this, christains post the 10 commandments and yet teach only 9 of them. But claim to be saved, what a lie
---wayne on 12/29/08


Oh how I pray for you that God softens your heart and that you realize is you who is passing judgement, not me.
As harshly as you judge is how God will judge you.
---miche3754 on 12/29/08<
My heart is soft and loving to truth. Sword of rebuke against misuse of.
Scripture judges, I only point. You are sincere...but, not to learning, if goes against your personal wishes.
Open rebuke better than secret love.
Proverbs 27:4-6
24He that saith unto the wicked, Thou are righteous, him shall the people curse, nations shall abhor him:
25But to them that rebuke him shall be delight, a good blessing shall come upon them.
26Every man shall kiss his lips that giveth a right answer.
---Trav on 12/29/08


keep them coming trav!!!
God bless you!!
The word of God says that ALL who believe in CHRIST AND THAT HE IS THE SAVIOR SHALL BE SAVED!!!
I know this.
You on the other hand are still a doubting Thomas! You think you might be but you are not sure(this is false doctrine).
Oh how I pray for you that God softens your heart and that you realize it is you who is passing judgement, not me.
And remember too that As harshly as you judge is how God will judge you.
I have nothing but love in my heart as Jesus 2nd command says.
Again, God bless you!!
---miche3754 on 12/29/08


He says he will repay.
---miche3754 on 12/28/08

You say correct.
Seek punishments of false preachers of no scripture.
All this is come upon us, yet have we not forgotten thee, neither have we dealt falsely in thy covenant.
Psalm
Through thy precepts I get understanding: therefore I hate every false way.
Psalm br>Thou hast trodden down all them that err from thy statutes: their deceit is falsehood.
Psalm
Whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood.
Psalm >
Rid me, and deliver me from the hand of strange children, whose mouth speaketh vanity, and their right hand is a right hand of falsehood:
Psalm
---Trav on 12/29/08


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trav,
I listen to Jesus.
Its you that doesnt.
You still believe that you can combine old with new.
Jesus came to show us a better and new way.
Im not frustrated by anything in the Word of God.
A man that cannot be taught by God is not of God.
you can't be taught. You refuse to listen. Instead you point fingers at who is supposedly wrong and you believe you are always right. That itself is a lie.
For some reason, you choose to constantly pick on me. That is okay, Jesus is my champion. He says he will repay.
Your false doctrine believing you may might be saved or might not.
Doubters don't get the kingdom. Doubters don't have faith. It seems that you are a doubter just by saying you may or you may not.
---miche3754 on 12/28/08


trav, Jesus fulfilled the prophets.
Since I listen to Jesus then I listen to the prophets.
Again you falsly accuse.
Theres no love in prejudice or bigotry. So how can you love me?
---miche3754 on 12/26/08

1. You do not listen to Jesus. Or the prophets. They do not foretell the things you preach. Your first error in scripture.
2.Cannot be false when scriptures witness. Frustrating you.

3.Because you do not want to obey, or understand you go against.

I cannot hold your ignorance against you in scripture. It is a common illness of mens doctrine. And also prophesied. And fulfilled.
---Trav on 12/28/08


1. You do not look up prophets, or words. Pointless to explain to you, but,yes, GENTILE is a misunderstood translation.
2.Explained you were not listening, you cannot see.
3. Save all of Israel,provided the prophet and GOD saying this. Corn sifted.
Trav on 12/24/08

Goy, goyim, gentile= Nations.

trav, Jesus fulfilled the prophets. Since I listen to Jesus then I listen to the prophets. Again you falsly accuse. Theres no love in prejudice or bigotry. So how can you love me?
Its you that doesnt listen nor understand. Nor can you because you still operate in the flesh. Nothing fleshly can enter the Kingdom of God. Again, don't bother answering, and still praying for you.
---miche3754 on 12/26/08


trav,
you are saying that the entire NEW Testament is translated wrong?

.
You still have not explained the old cloth
Jesus who said He came to save all. You are saying even you can't be saved.
---miche3754 on 12/23/08

1. You do not look up prophets, or words. Pointless to explain to you, but,yes, GENTILE is a misunderstood translation.
2.Explained you were not listening, you cannot see.
3. Save all of Israel,provided the prophet and GOD saying this. Corn sifted.
4.Possible I won't make it....but,does not change GOD. This is one hard part for you. You poorly attempt to make scripture fit you. GOD does not change. You do. You have no peace about it. I do. Whatever he will do he will do.
---Trav on 12/24/08


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trav,
so now you are saying that the entire NEW Testament is translated wrong?

Brother you are seriously running around in circles.
You still have not explained the old cloth that can't be sown to new. This is also a parable told by Christ himself.
These are words by Jesus who said He came to save all. So that all might have life and have it more abundantly.
Peter sent out to the jews and Paul to the "others" as you call them.
Where are you getting your doctrine from that you believe these false things?
You are saying even you can't be saved.
---miche3754 on 12/23/08


trav,
if you believe in truth then why are you still living (pointing*) in the old covenant?

there are three is Judah, Israel,Gentile.

How are gentiles included in the new Covenant?
---miche3754 on 12/22/
To point out Doctrinal errors.

1. Old Marriage Covenant shows mistakes, prophecy's of New Marriage Covenant people. Witnesses anything in New.
2. NO third party. NO N. T. scripture says this. Judah his own Tribe, 1st... who denied. Then the OTHER 12 NATIONS OF ISRAEL. Heb 8:8, Northern house divorced 1st,among the Goyim, gentiles.

3. Gentile is a latin word. Nations,ethnos better. Catholics trying to substituting themselves with Israel inserted this faulty word.
*my insertion
---Trav on 12/23/08


trav,
if you believe in truth then why are you still living in the old covenant?
I have not seen you post from what Jesus says.
Brother, Jesus is the fulfilment of old testament prophets.
Also, there are three is Judah, Israel and Gentile.
How are gentiles included in the new Covenant? 1st was for Judah and Israel and of flesh.
2nd includes all & is Spiritual not fleshly. I have given you scripture from Jesus himself on this yet you refuse to believe this.
You are trying to sew old cloth onto new cloth by believing you can still operate in the flesh and be saved. The flesh does not do the will of God. you must have the spirit of Christ in you to do the will of God.
---miche3754 on 12/22/08


Ancient Gnosticism and Babylonian Eastern mysticism cloaked as Jewish and Gentile teachings are a just a few. The same ol players have changed the names like the idols did.
---Yochanon on 12/22/08


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trav - >Apparently they lost the leadership in Jewish wars and leadership passed to Gentiles who did not have those hung-ups!
---Lee1538 on 12/20/08

Dead on right. As noted by the prophets.

Divorced "gentilized" Nothern House took up standard, you wave so proudly.

to twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
James 1:1-3
to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia,
1 Peter 1:1-3
Hmmm,Galations
As a shepherd seeketh out his flock in the day that he is among his sheep that are scattered, so will I seek out my sheep, and will deliver them out of all places where they have been scattered in the cloudy and dark day.
Ezekiel 34:11-13
---Trav on 12/22/08


2nd is of the Spirit and is new raised from the dead and given a new body.

Im not in way over my head.. you might be though believing in the flesh instead of the Spirit.
---miche3754 on 12/19/08

I believe in Truth.
I believe it will be both. Some prophets you don't believe, ascended physically. Never tasted death!

Christ resurrected, visited his own, Thomas put hands in wounds to believe, drank wine,ascended. Just because you can't do it.....doesn't mean it hasn't happened.

Your own verse posted above.....says given new body.
---Trav on 12/22/08


trav - *They were playing with family band. Some were a little off key.

Yes, the ones that were still stuck in the Old Covenant mode of following Judaism were in the off key part of the band.

Apparently they lost the leadership in the Jewish wars and the leadership passed to the Gentiles who did not have those hung-ups!
---Lee1538 on 12/20/08


Gentile converts who were not mandated to follow Mosaic legislation
1st 2 groups diminishedbr>
One often thinks the early church as all playing to the same sheet of music

---Lee1538 on 12/19/08

They were playing with family band. Some were a little off key.

Only two players in context. Judah and the (divorced) Lost Sheep of the House of Israel...who are the "gentilized" nations the lord sought. Still does today.

Song is listed. Song of Moses. Israel sang this song, Spring up, O well, sing ye unto it:
Numbers 21:16-18
And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty, ....
Revelation 15:2-4
---Trav on 12/19/08


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trav - *There are problems, and were in their day.

Yes indeed as the early church was composed of 3 major conflicting groups.

There were the Hebrew Christians who continued to follow the Torah, temple worship, Sabbath observance & other Jewish festivals, and refrained from association with non-Jews.

And there were the Greek influenced Hellenists - the liberals who did not follow all Jewish customs.

And Gentile converts who were not mandated to follow Mosaic legislation.

The 1st 2 groups diminished in leadership after the Jewish wars.

One often thinks the early church as all playing to the same sheet of music but there were diversity of viewpoints on just about everything as there is today.
---Lee1538 on 12/19/08


trav,
Jhn 2:19
Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
Jhn 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7
...Ye must be born again.
Rom 8:5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh, but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
Rom 8:8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.


the 2 covenants- 1st one was of the flesh and is cut away by the death of Jesus's flesh.
2nd is of the Spirit and is new raised from the dead and given a new body.

Im not in way over my head.. you might be though believing in the flesh instead of the Spirit.
---miche3754 on 12/19/08


"New marriage to same people. They are forgiven. Clean as 10 Virgins. Husband died physically to free them from previous Covenant. This is why it is New. Heb 8:8". - trav
You said this on the "Questions about Revelations blog".
When I stated it here you called me a liar.
The husband died physically released them from the old covenant - Thats true.
But God takes a New SPIRITUAL Bride.
God is looking for people to worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
John 4:23-24
23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.
---miche3754 on 12/19/08


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