Kathr ... None did, but that is NOT (now perhaps I will SHOUT!) But that is beside the issue
YA was NOT the leader of billion Muslims
and NOT all Muslims claim they are the original Palestinians.
Those where the ONLY points I was making. |
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---alan_of_UK on 7/16/08 |
The original people Arafat put into camps refused to let them leave when Israel became a state, are the children and grandchildren of Lebanese, Syrians, and Jordanians. There has never been a people known as "Palestinians". as was the Native Americans.
When Rome invaded Israel, it renamed the area Palestine in an effort to remove any Jewish connotations from the name. Everyone who lived there at the time were "Palestinians", Jews and Arabs alike.
There were very few people there at all then, and even until Israel regained its independence in the 1940's there were very few people there. More Jews than Arabs. More roaming Bedouins than anything else there, really. These were not muslims until recently. |
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---kathr4453 on 7/16/08 |
***Kathr ... I am not arguing with anything you now say or shout***
Alan, No one is shouting here. Let me ask you, How many of the other Arab Nations rebuked Arafat, or the Palistinians?
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---kathr4453 on 7/16/08 |
I believe kathr's statements concerning Yasser Arafat to be correct. |
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---Mima on 7/16/08 |
Kathr ... I am not arguing with anything you now say or shout
I was merely correcting yuor incorrect statements:
ALL Muslims reagrd themselves as the original inhabitants of Palestine,
Yasser Arafat was the leader of a billion plus muslims.
Kathr ...
Islam world is a big danger to the world. But when we talk about this, we should try to get the facts right.
Yasser Arafat was the leader of the Palestinians, not of the worldwide Muslims
Only present day Palestinians claim to be the original Palestinians. Turks don't Rgyptians don't Iranians don't Iraquis don't, Kosovans don't, nor do any of the muslims from further east, or those in African countries. |
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---alan_of_UK on 7/15/08 |
Alan I said, there is NO SUCH THING and never has been such a thing as a PALISTINIAN ARAB. This is the greatest HOAX there ever has been. And I also said Jerusalem where the Dome of the Rock is isn't JUST something the so called Palestinian Arabs worship or have an interest in. Please put 2+2 together, and see through this farce.
So who exactly WAS Arafat? and who was pulling his strings.
Do you think ONLY those called Palestinian Arabs hate Jews? He was the store front to get their foot in the door for ALL Arabs against Israel who want them out.
HE was the original PLO Terrorist. Boy they sure have come a long way.....
It seems Terrorism pays! |
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---kathr4453 on 7/15/08 |
kathr ... I was referring to yuor statement "Arafat, a puppet used by the Islamic world convincing ignorant people THEY were the original Palestinian and the land belongs to them", which is quite incorrect ... it is only the Palestinians who claim they were the original Palestinians ... the other Arab peoples do not claim this, nor do other Islamic eoples, such as Iranians, Turks who are not Arab, nor all those from the Eastern world.
Perhaps you did understand this, but it was you who says that Yasser was the leader of over a billion muslims ... not true, he was leader of the Palestinians... nothing like a billion of them. |
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---alan_of_UK on 7/15/08 |
Alan of UK...EXACTLY. So why is the Catholic Church playing footsies with the Islamic world?
---kathr4453 on 7/15/08
Footsies?
Kathr, what Protestant Preacher is on the Islamic hit list?
I can't think of one, can you?
Guess who is on the hit list?
Pope Benedict XVI!
Why? It's not because he is playing footsies with them.
It's because he spoke out against their behavior of killing people when they are mad.
Now, again which Protestant Leader has spoken out as well?
Please tell me. |
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---Nicole on 7/15/08 |
Alan of UK...EXACTLY. So why is the Catholic Church playing footsies with the Islamic world? Maybe it goes back to Fatima, Mohamed's daughter, and our Lady of Fatima, named after a City In Spain or Portugal named after Mohamed's daughter.
Interestingly, when PJP had an assassination attempt on him, it is said as he leaned over to worship or whatever Our Lady of Fatima, he dodged the bullet.
Islam has a whole chapter on Mary...It goes very deep. |
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---kathr4453 on 7/15/08 |
Kathr ... Do you not know how extensive the Islamic world is?
Do you really think the Pakistanis and Afghans & the Turks & the Iranians EVER thought of themselves as Arabs?
They are bound together by their islamic belief, not by imagined race. |
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---alan_of_UK on 7/14/08 |
Arafat, a puppet used by the Islamic world convincing ignorant people THEY were the original Palestinian and the land belongs to them.
(Also NOTE the Dome of the ROCK is worshiped by Who...just the Palestinians... get out,))
In Genesis 10, Palestinians/Philistines...(one in the same) were not descendants of any Arabs at all but GREEKS from the Island of Crete.
The Philistines(Greeks)in the OT Always enemies of Israel....., but these were NOT Ishmael's descendants...or Esau's.
There is NO SUCH THING as a Palestinian Arab!!!!!
The minds of the ignorant of History buy this.
Arafat and Co. in 1970's were the Original Terrorists.
Main objective....destroy Israel!!!! Same today!!! |
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---kathr4453 on 7/14/08 |
Nicole, Yasser Arafat was killed in a hospital using drugs or poison in his drinks. It was very strange, just when they wanted him out of the way.
---frances008 on 7/12/08
I don't think she knows that Arafat is dead.
Because she will now have to find another leader for the 1 billion Muslims.
---Nicole on 7/11/08
Sorry, this remark was directed to Kathr, because she made an odd statement that he was over 1 billon Muslims.
I knew you were aware he was dead.
Only the conspiracy theory was directed to you both.
Kathr, if you go away and get educated you will see that all leaders bow to the Pope. This is the antichrist conspiracy. Welcome to planet earth.
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---Nicole on 7/13/08 |
Kathr::Friendship with the world is ENMITY with God"But is not this Gods Jurisdiction to Judge?
Emcee, if this warning were only for God to Judge, why did James warn the Church about the dangers. Obviously we, as Born Again Christians should know what that friendship means....adultry towards God.
This is what we are to be obedient to as well. The WORLD hates Christ, and those who belong to Christ.
The True Church is a chaste VIRGIN Bride.
We just don't fool around or flirt with the enemy.. How would you like it if your own wife winked at someone out to try to do you in? |
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---kathr4453 on 7/13/08 |
In John 7:37-44 we find some were taken with Jesus Christ, we do not find that these people became His disciples and followers, a good opinion of Christ is far short of a lively faith in Christ, many give Christ a good word that give Him no more. |
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---catherine on 7/13/08 |
Lee ... "Incredible"'s true meaning is "beyond belief"
"Hard to believe" or "surprising" are only colloquial meanings.
If you believe it, maybe you would also believe that Yasser Arafat was the "leader of over a BILLION Muslims"
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---alan_of_UK on 7/13/08 |
Yes. That would be the agenda of "SS" or "LN". |
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---Ted on 7/13/08 |
I find that 'incredible list of people' that were (or are) freemasons highly questionable and wonder if it was written by some crackpot organization that has an agenda. |
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---Lee1538 on 7/13/08 |
If you google "Yasser Arafat freemason" you will find an incredible list of people who are/were freemasons and/or illuminati.
Just go there ... It will open your eyes |
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---alan_of_UK on 7/13/08 |
Kathr::Friendship with the world is ENMITY with God"But is not this Gods Jurisdiction to Judge? Not Yours.ENMITY is spoken of in Genesis 3 :15 where do you place yourself in this prophecy? If the truth must be spoken. |
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---Emcee on 7/12/08 |
Nicole, Yasser Arafat was killed in a hospital using drugs or poison in his drinks. It was very strange, just when they wanted him out of the way. This is what the devil is like, he uses you for his purposes, making great promises, and then, when you have done all that work for him, he gets rid of you. He was a freemason, so he was a Vatican agent. I don't know if even he knew it. Usually people are in ignorance because they have not done the research personally and just rely on what their advisors say to them. I used to be blind, and actually liked him a lot, then I discovered he was a freemason. |
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---frances008 on 7/12/08 |
It happened. Actually Pope John Paul made a covenant with Arafat....Hummmm during that 2000 event. And NO, he did not apologize specifically the Jewish people for the persecution and hatred and murders over the years of yester popes.
Generelizations just don't cut it. And why would he, after his covenant with Arafat!!!
Friendship with the world is EMNITY with God...PERIOD!!!! If he's God's vicor or whatever...he would be OBEDIENT to that!!!! |
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---kathr4453 on 7/12/08 |
did Pope John also Apologize to Israel during 2000, or just suck up to the Palestinians?-kathr4453
Did you not realize that Peter and the other Disciples were Jewish?
I have no idea what you are trying to tell me. Try again if you wish.
Pope John Paul II,I believe you are speaking about. Pope John has been dead several centuries ago. But, John Paul II, as the Vicar of Christ, walked in Christ's shoes and apologized to everyone in every faith on beside of the RCC, just in case anyone was offended by any Catholic.
I quess that's why at his funeral he had the most Representatives from all the Countries and Religions in the WORLD.
Also the biggest funeral ever, 10 million. He was loved wasn't he? He was Great Man! |
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---Nicole on 7/11/08 |
I wonder who the newsflash was from
Was Yasser Arafat the leader of a billion muslims?
Surely this is wrong ... we was leader of the Palestinians.
Such inaccuracy makes me doubt the whole story, but no dubt someone will be able to cofirm it
---alan_of_UK on 7/11/08
No, Alan of UK, do not correct Kathr4453.
She and Frances008 are having a good time. They think they are on to something.
They want everyone to believe that Arafat and the Pope have big powers.
I don't think she knows that Arafat is dead.
Because she will now have to find another leader for the 1 billion Muslims. |
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---Nicole on 7/11/08 |
I wonder who the newsflash was from
Was Yasser Arafat the leader of a billion muslims?
Surely this is wrong ... we was leader of the Palestinians.
Such inaccuracy makes me doubt the whole story, but no dubt someone will be able to cofirm it |
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---alan_of_UK on 7/11/08 |
Kathr, if you go away and get educated you will see that all leaders bow to the Pope. This is the antichrist conspiracy. Welcome to planet earth. |
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---frances008 on 7/11/08 |
..you "get even" because you are filled with Satan who is the very definition of competition strife envy jealousy--Rhonda on 7/11/08
Catholics don't get dirty, we get even by using Scriptures. When you can't use Scriptures you get dirty, not us.--Nicole on 7/10/08
How you twist my words, Rhonda.
Why should I get mad? You twist the Scripture just as well. Who am I that I should think you will not twist my words.
So, you just proved my point. Funny, how MarkV was stating that Catholics use Satan to put others down. I was telling him how Holly used Satan first.
Now, you Rhonda used Satan against me because I said we use Scripture, and you get dirty when you don't use Scripture.
So who is angry? |
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---Nicole on 7/11/08 |
alan_of_UK: "Isn't it interesting that the question asked on this blog is
What false doctrines are inflitrating Protestant churches today?
And see how the blog has redirected itself!!"
Same thing happens in normal conversation. |
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---Steveng on 7/11/08 |
****Nicole, I hear the same thing from Emcee in his answers. He is the cause for bringing more hate towards the RCC.****
And I believe the major cause of Jews down through out history who look at that and say...no thanks...Idolatry is one thing God hates...and you're trying to tell us your system is better? Were not Jews FORCED to either submit to this or be killed? Not much different then Islam in root.
Funny thing.....at the beginning of the Church Age, Thousands of Jews BEGAN the Church at Pentecost.
AND did Pope John also Apologize to Israel during 2000, or just suck up to the Palestinians? More insult to Injury!
Bad to the bone! |
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---kathr4453 on 7/11/08 |
*****The vicar of Christ Kissing of the ring is an acknowledgement of This OFFICE.****Yassir Arafat, the leader of over a BILLION Muslims kissed the pope's ring. This is an act of worship. Arafat's head was bowed to kiss the ring of the pope. When Muslims who are NOT Christians, see this, they will assume by their leader's actions that all is well with Rome and its political as well as religious agenda. The Pope was actually "helping" Arafat by raising his hand to be kissed. This way the "bow" is lessened placing the two on "level ground" so to speak.---kathr4453 on 7/11
The Pope was John Paul II, he was too weak to raise his hand to Arafat.
So, I know you just made this up.
You need a hobby. |
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---Nicole on 7/11/08 |
*****The vicar of Christ Kissing of the ring is an acknowledgement of This OFFICE.****
News Flash:
Yassir Arafat, the leader of over a BILLION Muslims kissed the pope's ring. This is an act of worship. Arafat's head was bowed to kiss the ring of the pope. When Muslims who are NOT Christians, see this, they will assume by their leader's actions that all is well with Rome and its political as well as religious agenda. The Pope was actually "helping" Arafat by raising his hand to be kissed. This way the "bow" is lessened placing the two on "level ground" so to speak. Why? Do the math! Over 1 Billion Catholics. Over 1 Billion Muslims. They need each other. Period!
Nebuchadnezzar !!! |
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---kathr4453 on 7/11/08 |
Nicole, I hear the same thing from Emcee in his answers. He is the cause for bringing more hate towards the RCC. I know you cannot stop his mouth. He opens the door for hate with his mouth. We judge the doctrines taught by others. Yet when we answer, he connects us with Satan. Because of him, you will continue to hear responses towards the RCC. I haven't seen anyone claim their church is pure or innocent of sin. As a matter of fact I have stated they are all mixed with tars and wheat. That the true saints of God, those born of the Spirit are everywhere. And that they make the body of Christ, thats from Scripture, not the RCC. His insistance is that only through His Church, can salvation be found, otherwise we are all deluded by the devil. |
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---Mark_V. on 7/11/08 |
Isn't it interesting that the question asked on this blog is
What false doctrines are inflitrating Protestant churches today?
And see how the blog has redirected itself!! |
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---alan_of_UK on 7/11/08 |
Rhonda,
What then shall we call Paul evil? 2 Cor 12:16: "But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, being crafty, I caught you with guile." Why do you make more of this "get even" expression, when the means of the evenness spoken is Scripture, and the purpose is justice and equality? "because you are filled with Satan ", how could you live with so much poison in your heart? Perhaps like a rattle snake, who is used to its own venom... |
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---Nana on 7/11/08 |
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Catholics don't get dirty, we get even by using Scriptures
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except RCC has no understanding of scripture without the guidance of Gods Holy Spirit dwelling in your minds(Acts 2:38, John 16:13)
you "get even" because you are filled with Satan who is the very definition of competition strife envy jealousy (getting even) ...clueless to this because by submitting minds and wills to a flesh and blood man and brainwashed to profess "love in Christ" ....yet you talk out the other side of your mouth about getting even
only non-christian who is filled with competiveness in religion looks to "get even" ..."getting even" is based on anger not love in Christ |
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---Rhonda on 7/11/08 |
Psalm 16:3
As for the saints who are on the earth, They are the excellent ones, in whom is all my delight.
Psalm 30:4
Sing praise to the LORD, you saints of His, and give thanks at the remembrance of His holy name.
Psalm 31:23
Oh, love the LORD, all you His saints! For the LORD preserves the faithful, And fully repays the proud person.
Psalm 50:5
Gather My saints together to Me, those who have made a covenant with Me by sacrifice.
Psalm 116:15
Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of His saints. (God has called them SAINTS before they died) |
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---Holly4jc on 7/10/08 |
1 Timothy 5:9-10
Do not let a widow under sixty years old be taken into the number, and not unless she has been the wife of one man, well reported for good works: if she has brought up children, if she has lodged strangers, if she has washed the saints feet, if she has relieved the afflicted, if she has diligently followed every good work.
Ephesians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God,To the saints who are in Ephesus, and faithful in Christ Jesus...
Ephesians 4:11-13
And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ... |
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---Holly4jc on 7/10/08 |
Do a word study on the word SAINT in THE Bible and you will find that over and over and over again the believers who are alive, still living on earth, are referred to as "SAINTS". Paul often opened his letters to the various churches/believers addressing them as the "saints" in whatever town they lived in. That is God's Word...check it out. |
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---Holly4jc on 7/10/08 |
Hail the power of a religious rabbit's foot!
---Lee1538 on 7/10/08
LOL Lee! |
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---Holly4jc on 7/10/08 |
There is a very famous exorcism case - a sad case - and I saw the clips of it. In the girl's house were many, many relics and statues etc. The girl was completely possessed by the devil. She died of starvation. You can see it on youtube. I mention this because I think you should listen to what that girl was saying. If only her parents had known the truth about the RCC, perhaps none of it would have happened. I believe that poor girl went to Heaven even though the devil destroyed her mind and body, because it was not her fault that she was born into an idol worshippig situation. |
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---frances008 on 7/10/08 |
Stop this bickering!
You people are acting like children who argue that my dad is better than your dad. Or, in this blog, my church is better than your church. Don't you see that Satan has each one of you in his web of confusion? He's making you agrue among each other about man-made churches - the denomination, the buildings, the non-profit corporations. When Jesus was saying that He is to build His church it doesn't mean a building. It's similar to a member of a network marketing company saying that she is building her downline. Jesus is returning soon to join with (marry) not a denomination, a building or a non-profit corporation, but people. His people, The Christians who have a very personal and intimate relationship with God. |
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---Steveng on 7/10/08 |
*My other ex-boyfriend was also RCC and he believed that having a rosary hanging from his rear view mirrow protected him..
Hail the power of a religious rabbit's foot! |
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---Lee1538 on 7/10/08 |
Holly, you are not a saint. Because it is still possible for you to turn away from God.
Those who are in Heaven are Saints. The RCC doesn't know who is in Heaven without God telling them.
God tells the Church who is in Heaven by Miracles. The Pope tells the people they are in Heaven for sure which makes them saints. The RCC doesn't pretend to know who is in Heaven. We let God tell us.
As for your boyfriends. Please re read my blog on the 9th. Your boyfriends are the ones the Pope is correcting.
I have a rosary hanging from my rear view mirror as well, but not for protection. But,to tell everyone I am proud to be a Catholic. |
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---Nicole on 7/10/08 |
there are people who have done extraordinary things in there life...God worked many miracles through and worthy of remembrance in a big way. If your read the life of some of those Saints the RRC mentions, you would already know this.
Holly your examples are silly.
No a Rosary can not protect you.
No statues are merely statues serves as memory of their Christ like life they led. It helps us to remind ourselves throughout the day of Jesus and the life they gave up to serve Him.
I particular admire St. Peregrine the Cancer Saint. He was cured by God of Cancer and the whole town was converted to Christ!
All Glory and Honor go to the Father Holly ~ this is clearly understood. |
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---Paul on 7/10/08 |
Nicole...no one who is a born-again believer needs the pope to declare them a saint...the Bible calls ALL true believers "Saints". Read it for yourself. I am a saint, I do not need a pope to declare me so.
And as far at the subject of "saint objects" go...my ex-boyfriend was RCC and his dad had all these little statues of different saints of the RCC on his dashboard of his car for protection. What were they supposed to do...jump down and place their little bodies between the bumper of his car and someone elses car to protect him from an accident? My other ex-boyfriend was also RCC and he believed that having a rosary hanging from his rear view mirrow protected him...even if he did drive drunk on a daily basis.... |
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---Holly4jc on 7/10/08 |
That's funny Nicole...because your counterpart, Emcee, is ALWAYS bring up the devil/Satan as having deceived all of us who do not belong to the RCC's teachings and the RCC itself. He has directed that towards me numerous times...even called me "daughter of deception" and accused me of following the devil. |
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---Holly4jc on 7/10/08 |
Holly, there were only Bar-Mitzvah in Jesus' days on earth.
Bat-Maitzvah were just added in the last century.
Orthodox Jews do not use Bat-Maitzvah.
So, check out the OT given to you on your Bat-Maitzvah.
---Nicole on 7/10/08
And what does that have to do with the price of tea in China Nicole?
The fact is that I WAS Bat-Mitzvahed, which is a very common thing in Jewish cirles TODAY and the fact is that the Jewish Bible (the OT) does not have all those ADDED books. Whether or not I agree with being Bar or Bat-Mitzvahed has nothing to do with it. It was my mother's choice, not mine. Could it just be one of those man-made traditions? Possibly. My kids were not Bar/Bat-Mitzvahed, I broke from tradition. |
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---Holly4jc on 7/10/08 |
The accusations that Satan has tricked you is common coming from RCC followers. Alway bringing the devil into the conversations.
---Mark_V. on 7/10/08
Nicole..Satan will do anything he can to deceive people into believing a lie(s).
---Holly4jc on 7/7/08
Satan has tricked you with a ridicules trick. You can see right through the trick.
Open your eyes and look.
---Nicole on 7/8/08
MarkV, Catholics never bring up Satan and the Devil. As you can see, Holly is the one who used Satan first.
I responded to her using Satan as she did. You jump into it and made a false statement.
Catholics don't get dirty, we get even by using Scriptures. When you can't use Scriptures you get dirty, not us.
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---Nicole on 7/10/08 |
Nicole...I have a Jewish Bible, given to me at my Bat-Mitzvah, when I was 13...with ONLY the Old Testament (as that is what the Jewish version would contain) and those so-called "missing" books are not in there either. Which came first, the construction of the Jewish Bible with the complete Old Testament or the Catholic Bible? Who added those books to the original version? Afterall..the OT was GIVEN to the Jews by God...so who is correct? The RCC or God?
---Holly4jc on 7/9/08
Holly, there were only Bar-Mitzvah in Jesus' days on earth.
Bat-Maitzvah were just added in the last century.
Orthodox Jews do not use Bat-Maitzvah.
So, check out the OT given to you on your Bat-Maitzvah. |
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---Nicole on 7/10/08 |
Kathrn::When a person has to reach down to the bottom of the barrel to slur, Using Kissing of Toes as a point of arguement. Then I would say there is no more to say,because it is a bare faced Lie.The Pope is The vicar of Christ Kissing of the ring is an acknowledgement of This OFFICE.Since you will never belong It should not worry You, but yet it does! or those Like you, So called True Believers.who believe in their own interpretations of their own suitability. |
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---Emcee on 7/10/08 |
The accusations that Satan has tricked you is common coming from RCC followers. Alway bringing the devil into the conversations. It is no wonder that they are so far from the Truth. If only their hearts were for the right reason, "The Truth" they would be able to discuss godly matters with common sense, as Nicole always say's, instead of introducing the one that has cause more problems in the RCC then anyone else. For it is he who brought hate to the RCC against the Jews all through history. God chosen people. The long harsh treatment of Jews by the popes was the result of a serious misunderstanding of Gospel Truth. And the enemy just ate it. |
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---Mark_V. on 7/10/08 |
Well said, Holly4JC and Kathr4453. The RCC added stuff to the Bible, and changed other parts. It changed the ten commandments. Look it up. Look at the last verse of Revelation which condemns those who would in future do such things. |
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---frances008 on 7/9/08 |
Kathr::"Its so dangerous to place your Faith on One Bible verse, at the expence of the whole word of God."Dear lady so you noticed this verse is in Matt16:17-19 Alone. Is it Not strange that God speaks ONCE.Is that not enough for You.He speaks many other things also like the living Bread, Being His sustenance for Your soul.Reconsilation or Confession For Your sins, The Guiding Of His church by The Holy Spirit.All ONCE but I guess Being a Jew It does not matter a jot for you.WELL Once is enough For me and millions like Me, in HIS Church.Its the stubborn who rebell. |
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---Emcee on 7/10/08 |
Who added those books to the original version? Afterall..the OT was GIVEN to the Jews by God...so who is correct? The RCC or God?
---Holly4jc on 7/9/08
It is clear that in those days the Jews had holy books to which they attached authority. It cannot be proved that there was already a complete Canon, although the expression 'the holy books' (1 Macc. 12:9) may point in that direction.
(The New Bible Dictionary, ed. J.D. Douglas, Grand Rapids, MI: Eerdmans, 1962 ed., 190, "Canon of the Old Testament") |
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---Ruben on 7/9/08 |
Which came first, the construction of the Jewish Bible with the complete Old Testament or the Catholic Bible?
---Holly4jc on 7/9/08
The so-called Council of Jamnia (c. A.D. 90), at which time this third section of writings is alleged to have been canonized, has not been explored. There was no council held with authority for Judaism. It was only a gathering of scholars. This being the case, there was no authorized body present to make or recognize the canon. Hence, no canonization took place at Jamnia.
(From God to Us: How we Got our Bible, co-author William E. Nix, Chicago: Moody Press, 1974, 84) |
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---Ruben on 7/9/08 |
Emcee, to answer your question WHY does the POPE wear that thing on his head? Did Peter wear a crown and paraide around asking people to kiss his big toe? Absolutely not.
It's a travesty of pompous display, just like the pharisees who walked around wanting people in admiration etc. This is not our calling or the life here on earth we are to portray.
And you mentioned HUMILITY? Jesus made himself of NO REPUTATION. We are to follow in His steps.
Emcee, have a talk with the Pope, and explain this to him!!!! Do you think he'll get it? |
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---kathr4453 on 7/9/08 |
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Afterall..the OT was GIVEN to the Jews by God...
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only those who have NOT submitted their minds and wills to a pope are not under the spell of men who run this religious system understanding Gods Word from the gift of His Holy Spirit and knowing the OT was given to the Jews by God not a man made religious system who establishes itself on one misinterpreted verse in scripture
the addition of books by universal supports their own man made agenda ...universal is successful due to their open brainwashing of submitting ones mind and will to another human being ...their hearts are where their minds are which is why they serve the pope and whatever he tells them to think about Gods Word ...true Christians serve Christ |
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---Rhonda on 7/9/08 |
Lee1538, the RCC ONLY canonizes a person AFTER two non-man made Miracles has been determined. These miracles takes years,even centuries to determine if they are from God. When the RCC knows for SURE they are from God, She state a person IS IN HEAVEN.
The RCC isn't saying only those canonized are in Heaven. MILLIONS MORE ARE IN HEAVEN. No, She is saying only those She has canonized will She PROFESS IS IN HEAVEN!
And the myths part is speaking about some people believing if they have a certain saint object it will cause a certain promise.
Such as having a statue of St Frances is going to keep away wild animals from your garden, or St Christopher is going give safety while you travel.
Please give the information correctly! |
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---Nicole on 7/9/08 |
Nicole...I have a Jewish Bible, given to me at my Bat-Mitzvah, when I was 13...with ONLY the Old Testament (as that is what the Jewish version would contain) and those so-called "missing" books are not in there either. ---Holly4jc on 7/9/08
The Jews in the early Christian centuries had really two Bibles: (1) There was the Hebrew Bible which does not include the Apocrypha and which circulated in Palestine and Babylon, (2) there was the Greek version (LXX [the Septuagint]) used by Greek-speaking Jews everywhere. the Jews condemned this version and made the Hebrew canon their Bible, thus rejecting the books of the Apocrypha from their list of canonical writings, . . .
(Orr, ibid., Vol. 1, "Apocrypha," 182) |
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---Ruben on 7/9/08 |
For the life of me, I can not understand why you haven't questioned why your OT is short by 7 books? Common Sense shows that if the RCC is going to change or add to the Bible, it would be in the NT.Why mess with the OT? Our claims to be Jesus'Church is in the NT.---Nicole
Nicole...I have a Jewish Bible, given to me at my Bat-Mitzvah, when I was 13...with ONLY the Old Testament (as that is what the Jewish version would contain) and those so-called "missing" books are not in there either. Which came first, the construction of the Jewish Bible with the complete Old Testament or the Catholic Bible? Who added those books to the original version? Afterall..the OT was GIVEN to the Jews by God...so who is correct? The RCC or God? |
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---Holly4jc on 7/9/08 |
Emcee, it's so dangerous to place your faith on one Bible Verse at the expense of the Whole Word of God.
The RCC has fabricated ON Peter's Authority making up many many things not found in scripture.
We are of One Faith...one Hope...one Gospel, and when Paul Preached this the Church was all ready established at Pentecost and there was NO RCC heading it!
As a Born Again JEW I do not have to convert to Catholicism to become saved and Part of the Church.
As a Gentile, Emcee, YOU do not have to become a Jew to become saved and part of the church.....why, because Christ Himself IS the Church. |
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---kathr4453 on 7/9/08 |
Paul...no one is bashing Catholics, just exposing false doctrine. I have never "bashed" a person...I've just shown what the Word of God says opposed to the "traditions" of the Catholic church...aka...men's traditions and doctrines. It's never about a particular person...it's about the false belief system and our duty as Christians to reveal when there is error. |
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---Holly4jc on 7/9/08 |
Kathr::What has ST Pauls words got to do with your presnt day understanding of His Obedience to God.You sound a mite upset.Do we stand before that seat with Hope and humility or with Pride "Now where is My crown, I have fought the good Fight" |
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---Emcee on 7/9/08 |
We don't walk around NOW in crowns..-kathr4453
Read Rev 4:10 The 24 elders fall down before the One who sits on the throne and worship Him, who lives forever and ever. They throw down their CROWNS before the throne.
People are still living on earth as proof in Rev 6:10-11
They cried out in a loud voice, "How long will it be, Holy and True Master, before you sit in judgment and avenge our blood on the inhapitants of the earth?" Each of them was given a white robe, and they were told to be patient a little while longer until the number was filled of their fellow servants and brothers who were GOING TO BE KILLED AS THEY HAD BEEN.
Living humans wear robes, speak to God. The dead can't wear clothes or speak. |
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---Nicole on 7/9/08 |
*The RCC doesn't claim to know who is in Heaven or in Hell, except for Judas...
When the Roman Church canonizes someone and makes him or her a saint, that automatically assumes they are in heaven and prayer of intercession can be made to them.
It is interesting that Vatican II concluded that some 'saints' were 'aints' but merely myths like their St. Christopher who supposedly carried Jesus across a river and because of sins, became too heavy to carry. |
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---Lee1538 on 7/9/08 |
Mima, you have a bad translator for your Bible. You need to continue reading Ch 27. This is what happen when you pull Scripture out of place. Read the Gospel as One.
The Gospels and Letters were not written in chapters form? These divison came later on and used only to help copy the Bible without losing one's spot.
The passage V3, Then Judas,His betrayer, seeing that Jesus had been condemned, DEEPLY REGRETTED WHAT HE HAD DONE,.(now comes the verse you stop reading)V5, Flinging the money into the temple, he departed and went off and HANGED HIMSELF.
The hanging of himself proves he didn't repent and asked God to forgive him. He lost hope in His God to save him.
So, that's why the RCC states knowing ONLY Juda in Hell for sure. |
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---Nicole on 7/8/08 |
Satan will do anything he can to deceive people into believing a lie(s).--Holly4jc
Praying for and to the dead is in the Bible. 1st and 2nd Maccabees. But, your Bible is missing these Books isn't it
Yes,I know how Satan can deceive people into believing a lie. You prove this well enough. He even got you to reject Jesus' Words in Matthew ch 16.
For the life of me, I can not understand why you haven't questioned why your OT is short by 7 books?
Common Sense shows that if the RCC is going to change or add to the Bible, it would be in the NT.
Why mess with the OT? Our claims to be Jesus'Church is in the NT.
Satan has tricked you with a ridicules trick. You can see right through the trick.
Open your eyes and look. |
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---Nicole on 7/8/08 |
Nicole: "If Damien was in hell, the Nun would not have by healed."
On the contrary, Satan is conterfeeting Jesus in these end times. He's mimicing healings to sway people to follow him. He comes as an angel of light. And so on and so forth. |
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---Steveng on 7/8/08 |
Kathrn::You will have your day with the lord as he says "Retrebution is MINE"."We are Partakers by Faith"says Kat to Holl- Yet Peter speaks of A living Hope.Live as servants of God.They stumble b/c they disobey the word 1 Peter2:8Tend the flock of God Do not Disperse it.Peter speaks for matt16:17-19 Not trying to force fit your ideas into Gods word.AMEN |
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---Emcee on 7/8/08 |
The Pope makes a habit of giving glory to humans for God's miracles????? Holly????
You are Amazing! what people come up with to strike down Catholics who love the Lord God so much is truly a shame.
The History of saints in the Catholic church lives did indeed glorify God Almighty all the way. The thing is we noticed. So they are magnified not glorified. Only God is. That is a fact. His work through them are truly glorifed all the time and professed in church all the time : "All Glory and honor are yours Father, forever and ever. Amen"
I wish this site were more into fellowship then bashing good Christian Catholics. It is a shame. |
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---Paul on 7/8/08 |
Emcee, You know when Paul was about to be beheaded, his last words written were these:
I have finished my course, I have kept the faith....there is now laid up for me a crown, that the Lord will give me on that day.....
What day Emcee? It's The Day we stand before the Judgement seat of Christ.
We don't walk around NOW in crowns worshiping ourselves in some human hall of fame. |
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---kathr4453 on 7/8/08 |
Holly ::How do you interpret Gloryand How do you interpret Gods Reward. According to you, God does not reward.He only Takes Glory Is that true or is it?,or just your saying to prove your point.We all know God rewards why are there No saints aive in christ amongst Christians .But they are alive only on this earth, but when dead they no longer exist is that your understanding?The RCC Have many alive in Christ who perform miracles following intercession.But you say they are of Satan so when a christian gets a miracle who does it come from and can you prove it?maybe, it comes from the same source as you say. |
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---Emcee on 7/8/08 |
Holly, do you know what is interesting? When reading 1st and 2nd Peter, it absolutely rebukes EVERYTHING the RCC teach and stand for....line by line. I love it. God really has the last laugh here.
WE'RE purchased with the Blood of Christ
They purchase/ed out of purgatory with corruptible silver and gold
WE are a SPIRITUAL habitation and CHRIST is the Chief Cornerstone.
They are an earthly political habitation of murder, perversions, inquisitions etc, trying to complete themselves on earth.
WE are COMPLETE IN CHRIST, sitting in the Heavenlies with Christ.
WE are partakers of His divine nature by FAITH.
It just goes on and on! |
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---kathr4453 on 7/8/08 |
To ---nicole, you wrote"The RCC doesn't claim to know who is in Heaven or in Hell, except for Judas-hell,not repenting. But Matthew 27:3 says that Judas did repent. Here's the exact quote," Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, REPENTED HIMSELF, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders," |
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---Mima on 7/8/08 |
Following Jesus does not have two meanings. It only has one. "Follow Jesus." All churches consist of tars and wheat. Some really corrupt. Such as the RCC with its disbelief's of God being Sovereign. They believe man is sovereign and ruler of his life. That is why they have many idols they worship. When the RCC puts God first, in all of its doctrines, they will be a church that true believers would want to attend. The Bible tells us that we are saved if we have faith in Christ not in an institution, building, their faith should always be in Christ Jesus. All come short of the glory of God. Christ never fails. All who are a part of the body of Christ, are in Christ. No tars are part of the body of Christ. |
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