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How is your church any different from The New Testament Church of God and why?

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Christians do not read the corrupt septuagint, instead Christians read their English Holy Bible which is translated from the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament. The orthodox Jews before Christ read the Hebraic Rabbinic Torah faithfully in their synagogues and in the temple, and the Messianic Jews read the B'rit Chadashah or the New Testament.
---Eloy on 8/17/10

The Greek word translated as church is ekklesia. When we read the Septiagent, the Greek OT translated from Hebrew for Greek speaking Jews about 300 years before Messiah... we see that the word ekklesia is used often. When all the "Israelites" were called before Mt. Sinai, the word used is ekklesia. All it means is to be "called out" or "the called out ones."

This is why it is so important to grasp what Ephesians 2 is saying. We WERE gentiles but we NOW through faith are fellow members of the Commonwealth of Israel.

PS.... new covenant prophecy in Jer. 31:31-34/ Hebrews 8.... do we see "the church" or "gentiles" listed anywhere?
---Ken_Rank on 8/16/10

What is the old testament church?
---mike88874 on 8/15/10

The N - Testament Church Is according to Mark 16 v 16, Acts 2 v's 37 - 41 which Fulfills Matt.28 v's 19 - 20. The Same as The Early Church.

The Man - made relig - org's churches beginning with the trin rcc 2nd.Cor.11 v's 14 - 15 came into existence about 300 yr's later, & then her daughters trin churches, not in correct order the cc, presby, naz, cog, bapt, luth, episco, aog etc came later on. Rev.17 v's 4 - 6.
---Lawrence on 8/2/10

The first New Testament church was made up of all Jewish people. They had to learn that Gentiles could join.

They meet in the Temple of Soloman.
Act 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,

So no church is just like them today.
---Samuel on 11/15/08

The bible has been chosen to be the final authority of mankind's attempt to be...

1) creator of itself.

2) spiritual redeemer of itself.

3) replacement of own's own conscience ("living water").

...but Jesus said that He is the only spiritual authority in all the universe...
Matthew 15:28
"ALL authority in heaven and earth..."

Mankind has always replaced the 3 gracious gifts of God to all humanity with the teachings of the 6th day creation,...the spirit of 666.

The STRONG delusion is well deserved by those who refuse to love the truth about God (2 Thessalonians 2:10).

The result is...
......the modern "church".
---more_excellent_way on 11/15/08

Differences between New Testament Chuch and the churches of today:
1. Sunday School - introduced in 1782 by Robert Raikes.
2. Musical Instruments - Catholic Church 666 A.D.
Some Churches:
3. Baptism by Sprinking - The Council of Ravenna in 1311, was the first council of the (Roman Catholic) church which legalized baptism by sprinkling.
4. Mission Boards, women preachers, infant baptism, payment made to the church in order to receive forgiveness for sin (absolution), priests are not allowed to marry, and the list goes on and on.
---trey on 11/14/08

more excellent way....


God's Peace.
---char on 11/14/08

Jesus built the new worship center in three days on the cross...
John 2:19
"in three days I will raise it". HE (His body) is the outer temple.

John 2:21
"spoke of the temple of his body".

WE are the inner temple of the worship center (no "building" worship centers).

1 Corin.3:16
"Do you not know that you are God's temple and that God's Spirit dwells in you?"

1 Corin. 6:19
"your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within".

We must let the works that GOD DID be sufficient for us (John 6:28 and 9:3), neither pray IN PUBLIC ("worship with our lips").

"LIVING water" baptism (John 7:38, Rev.7:16, Acts 1:5, 1 John 5:6).
---more_excellent_way on 11/8/08

Darlene - totally agree with your assertion!

It is a battle the Holy Ghost helps fight. We see that emphasized in Romans 7

"I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate. Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good. So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me."

While our sanctification is not yet completed and as the only thing we can do is to cooperate rather than grieve the Holy Spirit, we can look forward to that time when it will be completed and we are free from sin. In the meantime, we battle the lust of the flesh and like John states, we are liars if we say we do not have our sin. 1 Jn. 1:8
---Lee1538 on 7/9/08

Lee1538 Satan comes to steal,kill,and destroy God's people,he loves to convince us we can't live without having sin,thats his job to deceive us. Satan loves for us to believe his lies we are weak in resisting sin. The Bible tells us we are not to sin and futhermore we can't serve two masters,so we must choose every day who we serve. We sin when we are led by our own lusts. It is a battle the Holy Ghost helps fight. We can ask for forgiveness but 1John 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk,even as he-Jesus walked. Revelations 3:16 -because thou art lukewarm,and neither cold nor hot,I will spue thee out of my mouth. If we run a tight Spiritual Ship on ourselves we can live without sin. Pray-praise without ceasing.
---Darlene_1 on 7/8/08

Darlene - while it is true that those who abide in Christ do not sin, no one is totally faithful in abiding in Christ. The old nature still has influence on our behavior as we grow in Christ putting to death the flesh. (see Romans 7:17f) But Scripture does say that we do sin otherwise why do we read in 1 John 1:9 the need to confess our sins?

1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

Even St. Paul believed that he was a sinner and who are we to compare ourselves with him spiritually?

1 Tim. 1:15 The saying is trustworthy and deserving of full acceptance, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners, of whom I am the foremost.
---Lee1538 on 7/1/08

Lee1538,I believe the Word,not we are all evil.In Chapter sinners were being preached to so they may believe,the example was if they as sinners knew how to give good gifts how much greater is God who has good gifts for His children. 1John 5-10 And ye know He was manifested to take away our sins and in Him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in Him sinneth not:whosoever sinneth hath not seen Him,neither known Him. Little children let no man deceive you:he that doeth righteousness is righteous,even as He is righteous. He that commiteth sin is of the devil,for the devil sinneth from the beginning -. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin,-.- whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God. Sinner and Saint at the same time we ain't.
---Darlene_1 on 6/30/08

Darlene - if you truly believe the words of Jesus, then you would believe all of us are really evil. For that is what He said in
Mt 7:11

"If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!"
---Lee1538 on 6/27/08

Lee1538,works don't get us to Heaven,how we conduct our lives,fruit we bear still is judged. Matthew 3:10-every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,and cast into the fire. Matthew 7:17 & 18-every good tree bringeth forth good fruit,but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit,neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. I always wondered about the Gifts being present in a person who sins. Greatnephew's answer,Romans 11:29 The Gifts and calling of God are without repentence. Anything,healing etc a person receives through Spiritual Gifts is a result of their faith and not the one praying. Just don't "throw the baby out with the bath water",Gifts,over few who fail.
---Darlene_1 on 6/27/08

Darlene - I think you need to agree that the presence of spiritual gifts in ones life is really no measure of spirituality.

You can have the gift of prophecy, speaking in tongues, heal people, do miracles and still be capable of sleeping around with someone not your spouse or have a deep love for material things, like money.

What really counts is how well one abides in Christ.
---Lee1538 on 6/26/08

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Lee1538,you're welcome,but sorry,evidently I didn't make myself clear in expressing what I thought. I really don't think we agree but maybe I missed it somewhere. What I tried to say in speaking of those who fall away like that is,to use slang "the buck stops here" of everyone who leaves God and follows the flesh. There is no excuse except the person loved the World of Flesh and selfishly their own way, more than they loved God. The Denominations aren't flawed the persons spiritual life is. Nearly all Denominations teach obedience to God,living by the Word,and God's way. Saying all Denominations are bad is like saying "the Devil made me do it",which isn't true,its the person's loving sin more than God. God Bless
---Darlene_1 on 6/26/08

Darlene - thanks for agreeing with me. No denomination has much to brag about when it comes either to the truth or its practices.
---Lee1538 on 6/20/08

Lee1538, like most people you chose to look at those who are weak and failed instead of all who have remained true to God,also its easy to blame the Denomination instead of the person who is guilty. Look at all the other Denominations who have people who failed,especially the RC Priests,its not the Church one attends but the darkness of the persons soul. There are 500 million Pentecostals and those who failed are very small compared to those who didn't,in that number.Humans can be tempted no matter their denomination.
---Darlene_1 on 6/20/08

sean - *One day if I stop following Jesus and stop producing good fruit, I believe I have eliminated my salvation...

When a person accepts Christ as Lord & Savior and is born again by His Spirit(Jn. 3,3), he or she becomes a new creation in Christ. (2 Cor. 5:,17).

Also as becoming part of God's family, that person comes under the discipline of His Spirit (Hebrews 12:7f).

Can one simply walk away from Christ? Does one become unborn or undisciplined after Christ has come into ones life?

Perhaps you try to be a Christian via philosophy or human effort?
---Lee1538 on 6/20/08

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Ramon - I can agree that the church of the Living God never became totally corrupted as there has always been those in whom His Spirit indwelt. However, what I view is the visible hierarchy of the church that has often been under the control of unbelievers who acquired their position primarily by political appointment or by purchase. Such used their ecclesiastical position as a means of acquiring power or wealth and used or created doctrines/practices that solely benefited their goals.
---Lee1538 on 6/20/08

Perhaps my wording in my post was wrong. No doubt the Early Church was infected by many Heretics [many were let astray], yet no where in Scriptures does it teach that His Holy Church will be 100% destroy. The Undivided Faith will always be present, despite the many Heretics [and false Prophets] that will arise. Think About it!

If anyone here believe that His Church has gone into corruption 100%, you have a problem with Jesus' Words and you are unfamiliar with Church History. He promise He will guide His Church to all Truth and not let the "gates of Hades prevail" (Matt 16:18b). The Eastern Orthodox Church has kept the True Faith of the Early Church [1st-10 Centuries] despite of "fierce wolves".
---Ramon on 6/19/08

"Yes, I can see you have problems believing what the Bible states [...]" (Lee)

No, you have problem believing Christ and Saint Paul. Saint Paul was right that many Heretics will entice many people from the faith, but you will never find a Scripture [s] that states the whole Church will go into corruption. If Scriptures are correct that the Church is the Body of Christ, and The Bride of Christ, how then can you believe His Church will 100% go into corruption, a contradiction of Jesus' words in Matthew 16:18? Seem you have problem with Jesus Own words, not me. Perhaps you are unfamiliar with Church History, because the Church always remain One, despite of many false teachers [Heretics].

I am not a Roman Catholic.
---Ramon on 6/19/08

Personally I believe one has to maintain their salvation. One day if I stop following Jesus and stop producing good fruit, I believe I have eliminated my salvation, but if then I choose to follow again and show fruits worthy of repentance again then I can once again have the sacrifice back. My question, is being refered to as a tree limited to just those whom are born again or are we born trees or are we trees upon the age of acknowledgement? I believe there is an age of acknowledgement. My age of acknowledgement was around 14 years of age. Before then I didn't truly understand sin thus I didn't know that what I was doing wrong was against God. Then the age of acknowledgement is when you heard the truth about your sin being against God.
---sean on 6/19/08

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I would have to say that trees are those whom have heard the truth and either have accepted it or denied it. If you say someone is born a tree, then when I was born this tree I wasn't producing any of the fruits of God considering I was born asinner. so then to say I will be cut down without given a chance to produce these good fruits is wrong. So when does God say I am not producing good fruit. So now that we know trees are those whom have heard the truth and accepted, and will be cut down if no good fruit remain being produced, that would be not once saved always saved. John was telling the Pharisees to repent, so they must have known what to repent for. Trees are those who know.
---sean on 6/19/08

nicole *Our tree is very old. Why?

You fail to realize that Roman Catholicism as a denomination had its birth with the Council of Trent in the 16th century.
---Lee1538 on 6/19/08

"..'the axe is laid to the root of every tree that does not bear good fruit and will be cut down and thrown into the fire' (Mt. 3:10), so it will be with those who trust in such things.

---Lee1538 on 6/18/08

Yes, please do think about your statement. This axe some speak about has not caused any downfall except to other churches.

Our tree is very old. Why?
Because Jesus Himself said we have to be rooted in Him, we are. We have deep deep roots. All attempts to cut down the Church only leads to pulling up more roots.
---nicole on 6/19/08

Ramon - * I do not believe Christ' Church, after the Apostles die, went into corruption.

Yes, I can see you have problems believing what the Bible states or that St. Paul was mistaken.

Acts 20:29f I know that after my departure fierce wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock, and from among your own selves will arise men speaking twisted things, to draw away the disciples after them.

Perhaps you are very unfamiliar with church history?
---Lee1538 on 6/19/08

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Ramon - Perhaps Jude the brother of James was also mistaken when he wrote

"Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints."

If you truly believed Scripture, then can you find at least one reference to the RCC Marian doctrines in that 'faith ONCE FOR ALL DELIVERED TO THE SAINTS'?

Will sent you a dollar if you can find one!
---Lee1538 on 6/19/08

Lee1538. I do not believe Christ' Church, after the Apostles die, went into corruption. I believe Scriptures which states the Church holds the truth and will never fall into error (Matt 16:18, Jn. 17, 2 Tim 3:15). The Early Church fought agaisnt many heretics that arose, but God always guided His Church [His Pure and Spotless Virgin] to all truth and have never let Her go into corruption. One of the way the Early Christians fought agaisnt heretics [like Arius] was through Apostolic Succession (proving that "X" doctrine was always believe by the Church). Apostolic Succession is important for this reason. Even in the End Times, Christ was still protect His Church.

The Faith of the Apostles and the Early Church [1st-10 centuries] was One. Acts 20:29 only proves there will exist false teachers, which happened in the Early Church [Gnostics, Arius, etc].
---Ramon on 6/19/08

Ramon - Your Apostolic succession is totally meaningless in the Christian world today as too many things have changed over the centuries.

And like the Jews thinking that just because they have Abraham as their father, God is able to raise up children for Abraham (Mt.3:9), so it is with Christians today who are the true sons of Abraham by faith alone (Gal. 3:16f).

Roman Catholics hold the same error as the Pharisees who think that their decendancy is of importance but as 'the axe is laid to the root of every tree that does not bear good fruit and will be cut down and thrown into the fire' (Mt. 3:10), so it will be with those who trust in such things.

---Lee1538 on 6/18/08

By the way Ramon, there is virtually nothing in Scripture that guarantees that the church will be without doctrinal error in either practice or beliefs, only that the church would survive despite what it may have become. see Acts 20:29

In the end of times, the false prophet with its anti-Christ will cause the church to be totally apostate and only those who will come out of her will be saved. Rev. 18:4

We can easily see from any nominal reading of church history that corruption in both practice & doctrine have often plighted the church particularly after Christianity became the state religion and ecclesiastical appointments were often made by the State.
---Lee1538 on 6/18/08

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Lee. Unless you accept Jesus' Promises (Matt 16:18, Jn. 17) and Saint Paul's declaration in 2 Tim 3:15, which teaches that Christ will guide His Church to all truth, you will never understand that the Early Church [1st=10 centuries] were indeed guided to all truth, in spite of the many heretics that arose in the Early Church [which is why Ecumenical Councils were called]. Protestants lack Apostolic Succession, and has not kept the faith of the Early Church. There were many heresies, but it didn't destroy the Church, if not Christ and Saint Paul was liars.

"[...]Do not err, my brethren. If any man follows him that makes a schism in the Church, he shall not inherit the kingdom of God"(St. Ignatius of Antioch, Letter to the Philadelphians, AD 110).

The Early Fathers believe that the Church were united in doctrine and worship! Even they do not agree with you!
---Ramon on 6/18/08

Lee1538. The Early Church Fathers held many doctrines and practices in "Communion". This is not mean that some Early Church Fathers held to personal beliefs, but we look at the Consensus teachings of the Early Church Fathers. Even Renowned Protestant Historian J.N.D Kelly admits that there many things held in common among the Early Church Fathers (Early Christians Doctrines).

We do not look at how "few" Bishops or Priest fell in into heresies, but how the Early Church refuted false teachings in "Communion".

---Ramon on 6/18/08

For the early Fathers, "the identity of the oral tradition with the original revelation is guaranteed by the unbroken succession of bishops in the great sees going back lineally to the apostles [...][A]n additional safeguard is supplied by the Holy Spirit, for the message committed was to the Church, and the Church is the home of the Spirit. Indeed, the [...] bishops are [...] Spirit-endowed men who have been vouchsafed an infallible charism of truth" (Historian J.N.D Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines, pg 37)

Thus the Fathers could be "profoundly convinced of the futility of arguing with heretics merely on the basis of Scripture. The skill and success with which they twisted its plain meaning made it impossible to reach any decisive conclusion in that field" (pg. 41).
The Early Church appealed to Apostolic Succession as a test for whether a doctrine were true
---ramon on 6/18/08

Darlene - even if the Pentecostals claim they alone have all the gifts of the Holy Spirit (?), the claim is without any real merit as the AOG was the church of Bakkers, Oral Roberts, & Swaggarts who despite their alledged gifts of the Spirit, did much to scandalize and shame the church.

Going back to the church of the 1st century is much like going back to ones childhood. We need to move on to maturity.
---Lee1538 on 6/18/08

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I am amazed that many like to follow Billy Grahams view that we should try to return to the church of the first century but any knowledgeable church historian could tell him that early church was one that was very chaotic and filled with all kinds of heresies & diversities.

While some spoke in tongues, many did not - 1 Cor. 12:30.
---Lee1538 on 6/18/08

Ramon-what use is there in Apostolic succession if those in that lineage had wide disagreements in practice and interpretation?..Your claim is really not worth much and does not give any credence to your belief system.--Lee1538

No, Lee, only the Protestant Church disagrees with the lineage of Apostolic and belief system. The RCC and Eastern Orthodox argue about status among the Apostoles. But we do not argue if either Church has Succession. Both do hold lineage back to Peter. Matt16:13-19.
The Credence and Worth of Succession is linked to John ch 6 -Holy Eucharist. NO PRIESTLY LINKAGE-NO HOLY MASS-NO HOLY EUCHARIST
There is no difference to the New Testament Church and US. They broke bread and we still do.

Protestants do not practice breaking of the bread. So, THEY GIVE NO CREDENCE OR WORTH OF APOTOLIC SUCCESSION. Which you have no choice, because you have no Priest.
---Nicole on 6/18/08

The New Testament Church of God is in all aspects a Pentecostal Church. The present day Pentecostal Churches still have all the Gifts of the Spirit/Holy Ghost in operation,still have the tongues as the evidence of the Holy Ghost infilling,just like Acts. I attend an Assembly of God church and the difference in it and the NT church is the Trinity Baptism,Father,Son,and HG when in Acts the Apostles told converts to be Baptised in Jesus Name. They also believe in Trinity-3,I think the NT church belief is three being one as stated by Jesus in, John 10:30 I and my father are one,because Jesus taught that.
---Darlene_1 on 6/18/08

Ramon - what use is there in Apostolic succession if those in that lineage had wide disagreements in practice & interpretation?

Any study of church history would reveal conflicts and power struggles as well as complete apostasy among those of Apostolic succession.

Your claim is really not worth much and does not give any credence to your belief system.
---Lee1538 on 6/18/08

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There is no difference. The Eastern Orthodox Church has Apostolic Succession (our Bishops/Patriarchs/Priests have direct linage to the Holy Apostles). We have kept the Faith of our Founder [Jesus Christ], the Holy Apostles (and there Successors), the God-Bearing Fathers, and The Seven Ecumenical Councils. Christ has guided His Church through these Councils (etc) [Read Matt 16:18, John 17, and St. Paul's declaration in 2 Tim 3:15). We are the Early Church [1st-10 centuries].

---Ramon on 6/18/08

#2 Also, do not think I condemn other Faiths [Roman Catholicism and Protestantism]. Do not misrepresent my post. However, every Protestant Churches are different from the Early Church [1st-10 Centuries] one way or the other.

The Church is Christ' Bride [and the Body of Christ], a spotless Holy Virgin who upholds all the Truth possess by Christ, the Holy Apostles and there Successors (Ephesians 5:25-27, Ephesians 1:22-23, etc). It is both physical and spiritual.

---Ramon on 6/18/08

The early church.
---Carla5754 on 6/17/08

how are you using "The New Testament Church of God" as a reference to the early church 1st - 4th Century CE or to a specific name of a group?
---Phil_the_Elder on 6/17/08

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