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Redemptive Gift Of Salvation

Is the New Testaments covenant of promises the same as the Old Testaments covenant? Are we considered under the covenant through the redemptive gift and grace of salvation or do we have to do something else to maintain our part of the covenant? If we have to do something, what is it that we have to do?

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Very often, in all humanity (not just Christianity), people ask/ponder "great questions of intelligence". Sometimes it is only highly educated people who ponder the unknown in a quest for deeper intellectual understanding, and sometimes great intellectual questions can also be asked by the young who haven't reached the teen years. These questions are VERY, VERY intelligent, BUT, when GOD SPEAKS, we must learn to simply ACCEPT.

Because we truly believe that God encouraged man to pen/write what is in scripture, whenever we read in scripture that something happened or was done/said a certain way, it is non-negotiable.

God said we should live under the law of liberty (James 1:25 and 2:12).
---more_excellent_way on 11/5/08


Jesus never intended to satisfy humanity's desire (let alone humanity's need) for comfort/peace (Luke 12:51), nor did God send His Son because any human being had the ability to satisfy rules of a covenant.

God sent His Son because we ARE (not just WERE) unable to satisfy the rules/laws of PERFECTION (Ten Commandments).

Jesus is the only one who hung on the cross (not any pastor/scholar, not the bible) in order to erase the PENALTY (death) for "sin" (violations of a code). When we "sin" against table manners, dress codes, etiquette, etc., God is not displeased.

We must live under the "LAW of LIBERTY" (James 1:25 and 2:12). and have a "faith FOR faith" (Romans 1:17).
---more_excellent_way on 11/2/08


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Guys, to those here who said that Christ did not come to abolish the law but to fulfill it and conclude that the law He was talking about is the O.T. Let me give you some words to ponder on.

If what you said is true, then why did the apostles in Hebrews7:12 say "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." Here the apostles were saying that the priesthood having been changed from the "Levitical priesthood" to the priesthood of our Lord Jesus Christ, there was also a change of the law. This seems to contradict what you said that He came to fulfill the OT, because why would He now say that there is made of necessity a change of the law.
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---manny on 10/29/08


The Old Covenant (the Law) and the New Covenant (Grace) are totally different. Jesus said, "I have not come to abolish (the Law), but to fulfill it." Jesus fulfilled every requirement of the Law perfectly on our behalf. The Law condemns and keeps man away from God and the devil uses it to do exactly that. In Col. 2:14,15, it says, "having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was given to us..., he has taken it out...having nailed it to the Cross..." This "handwriting of ordinances" is the Ten commandments. God blotted out His own handwriting on stones, as it was fulfilled in Christ. So you have a choice, either Law or Grace and if you choose the Law, you are giving the devil ammunition.
---Debbie_Jo on 7/19/08


We must reject Satan and choose God. Reject death and killing, reject idol worship and fear of men, and choose eternal life, the dignity of humanity, charity, God. If we make the wrong choice we will be incapable of believing in God and receiving Salvation. In effect, we will have shipwrecked our chances of Salvation, because we were stubborn through our own desires. Put away your desires, and listen to the Good Shepherd. If you cannot hear him, perhaps you are in sin and incapable of making a really free choice.
---frances008 on 7/18/08




God gave us laws we can LIVE by. Disobedience is destruction. If we choose to rebel we cut ourselves off from understanding the truth. By being born again, we accept a new start, a new chance to choose life and eternal life at that. The price may be our own death, but only through tribulation and sacrifice can we live fully. All this seems paradoxical. It is understood by those who have experienced being born again, and who know the truth. Free choice can only begin by accepting freedom from the bondage of the devil, and it is Jesus who did the work that will free you. Through stubborn resistance to God's calling, we can choose death. God calls all, but few respond. He chooses each of us, but only some are capable of responding.
---frances008 on 7/18/08


DDM, does Your Father punish with eternal fire, those who warmonger, cheat the poor, conspire to start wars, belong to Satanic groups, practise the worship of idols (money and wealth), tax the innocent to send them to their deaths in wars they created, send those people to kill innocent others even including babies and old people? I wonder which god is your father, because so often you dispute with me as to who the truly evil ones are. Like - you think I am evil when I point a finger at the conspirers.
---frances008 on 7/17/08


This is in response to Nicole's comments. I don't understand what you are talking about. I put in what I feel is important by God's spirit which is upon me each time I do these blogs. You need to get saved and then speak.
---catherine on 7/16/08


I know my Lord's power, BUT, to me, His fame is built on what He has done for humanity (His creative power and His gracious loving kindness), NOT what can be gotten from Him ('SAFETY' to "STAND"). God could do a 'JOB' on me (Job remained steadfast because Job LOVED God, not because of simple FAITH) and I'd love Him.

You make your heaven (your idea of God) out of 'gestures of compliance', I make my heaven out of MY LOVE FOR HIM. Considering that God is LOVE, are you sure that you will "enter by the door"?...

.John 10:1
"Truly, truly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door but climbs in by another way, that man is a thief and a robber...".

The kingdom must be within.
---more_excellent_way on 7/15/08


Don't think my Father is walking thru Heaven with flowers in his hair, My Father is a Consuming Fire...
Yes, he is Love and only those who truly love, know him, without love you know him not!

But, Don't be fooled, because with a blast from his nostrils he destroys nations...

With one word, he spews forth wrath on the unGodliness of man.

Who will stand on that day, can you?

Pray & Watch that you may be found worthy to escape the things to come...
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 7/15/08




Nana, you give love it's rightful place?????

...............GOD IS LOVE.

How gracious of you to find a place in your life for God.

Maybe you never understood 1 Corinthians chap. 13 (the LOVE chapter). Our faith should be borne out of love (I have faith in the laws of physics also, but I don't love them). We should abide by (live) faith, hope, and love, but the GREATEST of these is LOVE (1 Corinthians 13:13).

The institutional church has taught us all WRONG. It is built on MAMMON. The moneychangers of the collection plate want MONEY/membership, they don't care that we should "enter by the door" (John 10:1).
---more_excellent_way on 7/15/08


The NEW Testament/covenant is NOT the same as the OLD (in any way), yet many insist on knowing the OLD (the OLD should only be of marginal/background interest). I decided to know nothing but Christ and Him crucified (Paul was very familiar with the OLD, but God ensured that the verse ended up in scripture for us to imitate IF WE CHOOSE TO).

Until you learn to "WALK BY THE SPIRIT", NOT faith (Galatians 5:16 and 25) and establish a CONSCIENCE, you cannot have your conscience cleansed (Hebrews 9:14)...

"...purify your CONSCIENCE from dead works to serve the living God".

You will not receive "living water" baptism of the Holy Spirit until you realize LOVE
(Acts 1:5 and 11:16).
---more_excellent_way on 7/15/08


Agape, philos, eros, and storge are different love RELATIONSHIPS, not TYPES of love ("God is ONE", Galatians 3:20).

The institutional teachings/explanations about Christianity are WRONG, they are built on MAMMON. God says "MY sheep HEAR my voice" (John 10:27). He does not say 'My sheep are good readers'. There are many people in the world that don't know how to read at all, do you think that God makes reading a requirement to enter His kingdom???.

He warns against "self abasement" (Colossians 2:18 and 23) because there should be a CONSCIENCE. We are also warned...
1 Timothy 1:19...

"By rejecting conscience, certain persons have made shipwreck of their faith,...".
---more_excellent_way on 7/15/08


Amen about love. But not many of us do a very good job in that area, I don't think, especially with people we disagree with.
---old_guy on 7/14/08


Way,
I am a man. Belittle LOVE? No, I give it is rightful place. You know about responsibility and accountability, judging by your answer in the "Honor Mother And Father" blog, right? "God-given responsibility to raise their children properly.", you said. Speak of responsibility in one hand, speak that we do things if we want to on the other, cross-eyed to say the least! It appears your family did what they WANTED and not what God would have them do. God and Jesus Know what you know, Matthew 12:35, yet they made Love a command. Do not belittle the command, God and Jesus Know what they are doing.
---Nana on 7/14/08


In considering this statement,
"If we say no, God will not force us.
God is true to Himself. He will not take away our free will.
---Nicole on 7/14/08"
Jonah comes to mind, and then Paul on the road to Damascus. We must never forget the sovereignty of God is total. He blesses who he wants to bless and curses us who he wants to curse.
---Mima on 7/14/08


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Nana, I am shocked to hear a Christian (or anyone who professes Godliness) belittle the concept of LOVE...GOD is love (or do you not know this?). New Testament Christianity is based on LOVE (the Holy Spirit).

I am especially shocked that a WOMAN would reject the sacred significance of love.

NOTHING in scripture is happenstance (of random occurence). All events happened as God meant them to, and every word was recorded that we may someday learn from them. The person at the well was a WOMAN who desired MORE than just what the text taught her. She recognized Messiah while The Lord's own disciples still called Him "Rabbi". She desired the water that flowed from Jesus's side at the cross (John 7:38, Revelation 7:16).
---more_excellent_way on 7/14/08


The striking thing about God's covenants with His people is that God is holy, All-knowing, and all powerful, but He consents with people who are weak, sinful, and imperfect.
---catherine on 7/14/08

Catherine, you are talking about our state of life. No one is debating that issue.

We all know that we are sinful, and imperfect.

We all know that God is all powerful and Life in Himself.

He does not need us. We need Him.

But, do not act as if we do not have to respond to God's gifts.

If we say no, God will not force us.
God is true to Himself. He will not take away our free will.
---Nicole on 7/14/08


The NT covenant is totally different from the OT. Galatians 3:13 The only thing we need to do is believe and receive what Jesus did on the cross.
---melanie on 7/14/08


As I have stated before, we do nothing: The many covenants of promise may be considered ONE COVENANT of GRACE. Which was fulfilled in the life and ministry of Jesus. His death ushered in the new covenant under which we are justified by God's grace and mercy rather than our human attempts to keep the law. God is determined to give us eternal life and fellowship with Him, in spite of our unworthiness. The striking thing about God's covenants with His people is that God is holy, All-knowing, and all powerful, but He consents with people who are weak, sinful, and imperfect.
---catherine on 7/14/08


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Way,
2 Timothy 3:16: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." God's Word and all Commandments therein are thus. "Love" and "freewill"? Then the Beatles were the greatest Gospel singers ever, with "All You Need Is Love". One here said, "You don't need the Bible, only the Holy Ghost...". But Jesus answered the devil, "It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God. " and "Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve."
---Nana on 7/13/08


Way,2
Romans 10:14, and how would we know God's pleasure and displeasure if we are not taught? Are commandments grievous? Paul said that the law was made for the lawless, 1 Timothy 1:11: "According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.". Jesus reaffirmed "Love God" and "Love Neighbor", commandments which men had before he came. Man's measure of Love has always lacked and all kinds of perversions he has called Love! But a new commandment was given, the rule by which we are to measure the Love we profess, a perfect Love, John 13:34. Now, we can't just "Love" anymore, but we have to Love as he Loved!
---Nana on 7/13/08


Nicole,..You will find that Abram was asleep while God walked between the pieces of the slain animals. When God makes a covenant,it is entirely based on what He will do, not anything we will do.--tommy3007

To Nicole here are words of wisdom--Mima

Both of you two need to Read Genesis, starting in chapter one.

WE ARE NOT ROBOT. WE HAVE FREE WILL!

God never forces us to follow Him.

As you wrote the name Abram, the name was changed to Abraham after the covenant was complete.

Who do you think killed the animals, sliced them and placed them down for God to pass through them? ABRAM DID.

It takes two to fillful a convenant.

Mima, I think you need to pray for Jesus to open your eyes not mine.
---Nicole on 7/13/08


To Nicole here are words of wisdom,
" Nicole, Go back to Genesis and read where God made His covenant with Abram. You will find that Abram was asleep while God walked between the pieces of the slain animals. When God makes a covenant, it is entirely based on what He will do, not anything we will do."
I'm saying a prayer right now that the Lord Jesus Christ might open your eyes to this wisdom.
---Mima on 7/13/08


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We are not to compete with Jesus with our own SELF-EFFORT (such as DEEDS/scholarly accomplishment. If you read Hebrews chapter 6, it explains that JESUS is our ONLY foundation, and if we set another foundation with our own 'self-effort works', we make repentance IN CHRIST impossible. It is written in plain English that this apostasy will not be overlooked (regardless of being devoted to Jesus, The Lord will not be unjust by overlooking that apostasy).

Many modern versions have watered down scripture trying to be politically correct and have changed words/verses to mean something else (also because the scholars don't know the true meaning of the verse). I use the RSV, but no version is completely discrepancy free.

Read Hebrews 6.
---more_excellent_way on 7/13/08


I understand that the traditional teachings of institutional Christianity encourage simple obedience to COMMANDS and COMMANDMENTS so that we feel COMPELLED and HAVE TO do good, but a Godly spirit doesn't do "good" because they "have to", a Godly spirit (contrite heart) will do good because of their own freewill (Philemon verse 14)...

"but I preferred to do nothing without your consent in order that your goodness might not be by compulsion but of your own free will".

By doing good of our own freewill instead of because we are COMMANDED, we wil be able to receive LIVING water baptism of God's spirit (John 7:38, Revelation 7:16) and have our conscience cleansed (Hebrews 9:14).
---more_excellent_way on 7/13/08


Nicole, Go back to Genesis and read where God made His covenant with Abram. You will find that Abram was asleep while God walked between the pieces of the slain animals. When God makes a covenant, it is entirely based on what He will do, not anything we will do. If we had to depend on our own "doing" then we would be hopelessly and forever lost. Thank God for His great grace and mercy!
---tommy3007 on 7/12/08


You shouldn't do anything because you HAVE TO, your devotion should be because you WANT to.

If you only love Jesus because you MUST in order to receive anything from Him, then that is not true love.

God is LOVE.

You have the option to do the same as in Philemon verse 14-your goodness can be of your own freewill (sounds like the spirit to me).
---more_excellent_way on 7/12/08


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Way,
Apostacy and "another foundation"? And you say, "We are never ORDERED to do anything, but we CAN, if we wish, do "THE WORKS OF GOD". Your speech is going from bad to worse! Apparently you do not know what the meaning is of a Lord. There is no iffy wishy-washy in Luke 17:1_10. We are commanded and we must obey or else. Hebrews 5:9: "And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him," John 5:14: "Afterward Jesus findeth him in the temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." Don't you know, "the workman is worthy of his meat."?
---Nana on 7/12/08


It is important that we realize the significance of what God did. He did not say that He was making a deal with humanity that would only be valid if we agreed to it and did something in return. The covenant for salvation was completely HIS doing, not ours and never will be.

We can do nothing to become worthy of what He did. It is apostasy to to try or even think we can (read Hebrews chap. 6 setting another foundation). We are and always will be completely and utterly UNWORTHY (no matter what anyone would like to think). There is no shame in being humble before The Lord.

WE have no DUTY/part of the covenant.
---more_excellent_way on 7/12/08


People feel more comfortable believing that there is something they can do in return for salvation (as though there is something of this earth that can match it's value). There is nothing that can be given in return for salvation. You, no doubt, are very disappointed to realize this, but it is good for you to go thru this 'disappointment' stage and learn the humility that is needed for salvation.

We are never ORDERED to do anything, but we CAN, if we wish, do "THE WORKS OF GOD" (John 6:28) and simply REST in God realizing that HE did everything necessarythat EVERYONE on earth have salvation available to them (Luke 3:6). We must receive the guarantee (Ephesians 1:14).
---more_excellent_way on 7/12/08


Excellent,
"Jesus abolished the laws against SIN (the commandments of the O.T. and the ordinances/commands of the N.T., Ephesians 2:15)..."
---more_excellent_way on 7/11/08
Mark 1:44: "And saith unto him, See thou say nothing to any man: but go thy way, shew thyself to the priest, and offer for thy cleansing those things which Moses commanded, for a testimony unto them." Those things as "Moses commanded" for a cleansing and as "A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons.", Luke 2:24 are the such which Paul speaks of by "the law of commandments contained in ordinances". The laws against SIN were not abolished, only the prescibed methods of cleansing and attoning for SIN were.
---Nana on 7/12/08


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Catherine
1) Your right, it's by the grace of God's gift that we have eternal salvation.

I want you to know though that there is more in God's covenant than just receiving eternal salvation. The rest of the covenant enables our lives here on earth to be as abundant & whole as they would be if we were in Heaven (Deu.28:1-14).

God has blessed us with the "power to get wealth" (Deu.8:18) meaning being fruitful and multiplying, so we may be a blessing to others. But to "receive this wealth" there is "work" that we must do (Deu.6:3).
---Shawn.M.T on 7/11/08


Jesus abolished the laws against SIN (the commandments of the O.T. and the ordinances/commands of the N.T., Ephesians 2:15) because they would have barred us from His kingdom.

It is true that HE did fulfill the law, but He tells us that we are to live according to the PERFECT law (realistically, we cannot be deemed/thought of as PERFECT, but He RE-deemed us as though we are PERFECT in Him).

James 1:25
"But he who looks into the PERFECT law, the law of liberty, and perseveres, being no hearer that forgets but a doer that acts, he shall be blessed in his doing".

James 2:12
"So speak and so act as those who are to be judged under the law of liberty".
---more_excellent_way on 7/11/08


Without looking that up, I can tell you, you have to do nothing! Salvation now is based on grace, God's Blood, and His power we need. Seems to me on what God just gave me to write, the answer I gave you in the first sentence was right on target. I believe with salvation, it starts with grace then the Blood comes in, and then power fimishes it. But it is all together, if you know what I mean. If indeed we have to do anything it would be to stay faithful, But even that we NEED GOD keeping us.>>> Thank you my heavenly Father for your grace, and all your gifts and blessings. In the name of Jesus, amen.++
---catherine on 7/10/08


Part one:
Leslie: "Jesus said that "I have not come to abolish the Law (O.T.), but to fulfill it". The ONLY way to grace is by the law - otherwise you have FALSE conversion. The law still applies to us today - it was NOT abolished."

Jesus was born under and had to live according to the law. Even though he was the Messiah, he was still obligated to keep (fulfill) the law. It was not up to Him to set it aside or "destroy it".
---BRUCE5656 on 7/10/08


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Part two:

However, once Jesus died and was resurected and his sacrifice was accepted by the Father:

Romans 3:19-22, "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, ... Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:"
Romans 3:28, "Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."
Romans 6:14, "For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace."
---BRUCE5656 on 7/10/08


Shawn, it's wonderful isn't it!!!!!

Ricky, Read Romans 1 & 2 about the subject, and how God feels about it.

The truth is God can save anyone, but once saved, that old flesh nature our old adam sin nature is crucified with Christ, and we become a NEW Creation in Him. So, regardless of the sin nature.....we died to it. Sin doesn't die...we die to sin.
---kathr4453 on 7/10/08


Kathr4453
You've stated a good view on our covenant with God. I've never thought of how it was established Before the Foundation of the World "in God's Word". The time-honored covenant with Noah & Abraham is the same covenant of blessings that God blessed man with (Gen 1:28), and this would be the covenant of the "good" finished works of God's Spiritual Word.

God is keeping us aware that the blessings are only found in the peace & rest of His Spiritual Word and that if we abide outside of His finished works (the Word) we'll find ourselves under the curse
---Shawn.M.T on 7/10/08


When we walk in "Love" we are fulfilling every commandment, statutes & law (Deu.6:5-6, 1-2) of the covenant and only when we observe to stay in love will we increase mightily which are the promises of the Lord, in our covenant with God (Deu.6:3).

Observing to stay in love as we walk in love is what we need to do to up-hold our part in the covenant with God.
---Shawn.M.T on 7/10/08


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Nicole, the Everlasting Covenant was from Before the Foundation of the World. That covenant was made between Father Son and Holy Spirit..on our behalf.
Our part ONLY is to ENTER IN to His REST..His FINISHED WORK ..
The Everlasting Covenant is not based on if's it's based on DONE!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/10/08

I think you just like to argue with me. Because I have the slighted idea what you are trying to say to me.

What is your point?

Who said anything about if?

Read my blog again. I said that a Convenant involves two parties. God and you. 2

What is your agruement about this statement?
Please speak in direct English to me.

Not some pie in the sky business.
---Nicole on 7/10/08


I agree with Kath, but what does the Bible say about gays? Many say that gay is okay, but what does the bible say about that? Are they on their way to hell or not?
---Rickey on 7/10/08


We are considered under the covenant through the redemptive gift & grace of salvation.

But we still have a part to up-hold to receive God's blessings in this life. Our eternal salvation, which will always be secure, is the only part of the covenant we are established in. The majority of saved souls still lives with the lack of wholeness in their lives. This lack is considered being under the curse.

Our life on this earth can still fall under the curse of poverty according to Deu.28:15-68... if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day, that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
---Shawn.M.T on 7/10/08


Jesus said that "I have not come to abolish the Law (O.T.), but to fulfill it". The ONLY way to grace is by the law - otherwise you have FALSE conversion. The law still applies to us today - it was NOT abolished.
---Leslie on 7/10/08


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DJ,
Apparently Paul was not aware of that past, present and future bit when he said, 1 Corinthians 5:11: "But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner, with such an one no not to eat." Oh, maybe it was just Paul and his brethren who were not aware that "... the Father has forgiven all our past, present and future offences." Nowadays we know better?
---Nana on 7/10/08


Nicole, the Everlasting Covenant was from Before the Foundation of the World. That covenant was made between Father Son and Holy Spirit....on our behalf.

Our part ONLY is to ENTER IN to His REST....His FINISHED WORK .....and as it was said to Joshua, God says to us..... "I WILL GO BEFORE YOU and drive them out."


The Everlasting Covenant is not based on if's it's based on DONE!!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/10/08


I have just read---Debbie_Jo replied to this question. And I find it the most knowledgeable and clear statement about law and grace and their unmixed ability I have read in long time. Her post is worth reading over and over!!!!
---Mima on 7/9/08


The Old Covenant is the Law and the New Covenant is grace. They are opposites and they cannot be mixed. That is what Paul was talking to the Galatians about. The Law is nothing more than self-works. It is a list of do' and don'ts. That is what any law is. When Christ died for us on the Cross, He fulfilled the Law, He met every requirement under the Law, He did it so we wouldn't have to. That is what God's favor is all about. The Law can no longer find us guilty of any offence because Christ paid the price for all our offences and the Father remembers our sins no more - Heb. 10.
---Debbie_Jo on 7/9/08


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Isn't it strange that before we were saved, the devil didn't want us anywhere near the Law because it was designed to point out our need for a Savior, but now that we are saved, he continually tries to use it to condemn us and accuse us before the Father, when the Father has forgiven all our past, present and future offences. The law is Holy and good and it has fulfilled it purpose. Grace has always been present. It was present before and after the fall. It was God's grace that killed those animals to clothed Adam and Eve for without the shedding of blood, there is no remission of sins. Grace is God's unmerited favor to undeserving sinful man and nothing can over power it, or take its place.
---Debbie_Jo on 7/9/08


"OUR" part of the covenant????
People who call themselves 'Christians' invent alot of terminology/lingo and fabricate alot of concepts/ideas (GAMES) that simply do not make sense and are certainly not Godly.
---more_excellent_way on 7/8/08

It seems you are using lingo words to God's Holy Covenant.

Yes, we have a part of the Covenant.

Don't we have FREE WILL? Does God force you to do anything? NO.

Our part is to ACCEPT GOD everyday and night. Saying yes to Him always. When we fail to keep our part of the Covenant, we repent and return to our promise of the Covenant.

It takes two to have a Covenant.

God and You.
---Nicole on 7/9/08


It is Christ's job to save us and cleanse us from sins. It is our job to confess and repent (turn from) our sins. Without the two, there is NO salvation.
---Leslie on 7/9/08


Whether or not God REQUIRES anything of us is not the point, He wants us to (wishes that we would) know Him as "Abba Father" (dear Father/dad), not master/taskmaster (Romans 8:15, Galatians 4:6) and that we would be a FRIEND of God (James 2:23), but it doesn't seem that many people care about His WISHES/desires/likes and dislikes, we (as taught) only care about commands, sin, law, text, faith (very judicial,...the true LOVE of God takes a backseat).

After all that God has done for us (creation, salvation, and the blessings from His spirit), all we give in return is partisan gestures and procedures.

The book of Job was not about 'faith', it was a historically correct LOVE story.
---more_excellent_way on 7/8/08


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We were taught to worship Him like the Pharisees with 'MAMMON' (not just in a collection plate like the "moneychangers", but in an empty heart), but we should not be partisan (Phillipians 1:17) like the "Brood of Vipers".

We weren't taught to have any true love in our heart for each other or God.

A truly PERSONAL "love" relationship/devotion is not about what "we HAVE TO DO", it's about what we WANT TO DO (do we WANT to draw nearer/closer to Him out of LOVE FOR Him?) or is our ambition to love the bible (inanimate objects cannot be 'loved'). The bible did not die on the cross or create anything, neither did the brethren/pastors.
---more_excellent_way on 7/9/08


The more you admit your 'unworthiness' (humility required), the closer you can be in your PERSONAL relationship (and the more Jesus can have a personal relationship with YOU, His spirit "yearns jealously", James 4:5).

The Lord GRACIOUSLY/generously gave all of humanity (Luke 3:6) the gift (true GIFTS do not have to be repaid) of salvation. Realistically, we cannot be thought of (DEEMED) as PERFECT, but Jesus RE-deemed us.

The covenant has nothing to do with OUR abilities/efforts, it is completely and utterly of God's lovingkindness that we have salvation.

We are to "walk by the spirit" (Galatians 5:16 and 25) in order to "enter by the door" (John 10:1).
---more_excellent_way on 7/8/08


The Old Covenant (O.T.) was NEVER done away with, it just got an expansion with the New Covenant (N.T.). We are saved by grace through faith, however, we MUST live a holy life (like Jesus) and live and obey the Word of God (O.T. & N.T.). Christ's death on the cross, resurrection, and shedding of blood saves us and washes us clean (that is God's part of the Covenant), we must live holy and obey the Word of God (that is our part of the Covenant). Without both parties involved in covenant, we are NOT truly saved.
---Leslie on 7/8/08


"OUR" part of the covenant????

People who call themselves 'Christians' invent alot of terminology/lingo and fabricate alot of concepts/ideas (GAMES) that simply do not make sense and are certainly not Godly.

We are not in business with God. There is no 'business deal' for us to "maintain" or do something in return for what The Lord has done for us. If you feel 'UNWORTHY',... GOOD!! You should not only FEEL unworthy, but you REALIZE the truth (that we are all COMPLETELY unworthy, we must decrease that He may INCREASE in our hearts).
---more_excellent_way on 7/8/08


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