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Shall Deceive The Elect

This verse includes the word 'IF'. (Matthew 24:24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.)
Does this small word indicate that this could not possibly happen?

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25Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: the works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me.
26But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28And I give unto them eternal life, and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
29My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all, and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

John 10:25-29
---CGriff on 9/5/09

Mark v Thank you. Have a good Sunday, my friend.
---catherine on 1/25/09

Catherine, you are understanding those correctly very well about the elect in Matthew 24:24. The reason they will not be decieved is as is stated in John 10:4,5, "And when He brings out His own sheep, He goes before them, and the sheep follow Him, for they know His voice. Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him. For they do not know the voice of strangers." Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them. and so He goes on explaining to them about the sheep.
---MarkV. on 1/25/09

I believe that this was more of a warning, now that I have taken another look at it. Fod God's people not to fall for this deceit. Just checked another source saying the word "if" means>>> can not happen for the truly saved. Jesus will come back before He would allow His people to be deceived... Hope I am understanding this correctly it is late.
---catherine on 1/25/09

Deception of the elect is impossible because Almighty God is protecting the elect from being deceived.
---mima on 1/23/09

Jesus said of the Jewish audience, concerning those who did not accept him.. that there would come one whom they would receive. (John 5:43)

if you ask a Jew what the Messiah is supposed to be like.. most are describing the anti-christ. for instance the Messiah is supposed bring real peace to their nation. he is supposed to make it possible for the Jews to rebuild their temple. he is not supposed to exhibit any supernatural abilities. if he did he'd be considered a false Christ.

the false prophet will perform the signs so perhaps they'd be so desparate, they'd overlook that if the anti-christ could accomplish the other things. in that case the deception would be self induced.
---opalgal on 1/22/09

Most excellent, you are confused. No true Christian (already saved) refuses to acknowledge his sins. If they refused they would not be save. They have to believe they have sinned against God in order to be saved. If they don't why would they even want to be save? They would not need Christ to forgive their sins.
You are speaking about people who have not changed, elect and none elect, who have not been born again. If they are born again they recognize they owed a debt they could not pay and needed a Savior. So you are confused and your analogy is a wrong one. Only the elect, who are already saved know they had sinned against God and the reason for their repentance, the Spirit convicted them of sin.
---MarkV. on 12/7/08

I believe that the word IF means just that:
The elect will not be deceived by false prophets ad their errounious interpretation of the Bible. That is why it so mportant to study His word while we still have the reedom to do so.
---Pierr5358 on 12/6/08

Many Christians have always insisted that they are "elect" and refuse to acknowledge their own lawlessness (effectively/insomuch deceiving themselves).

They'd rather not SEE their own "lawlessness", so, the "MYSTERY" remains a mystery to them.
---more_excellent_way on 11/16/08

More Exceleent Way, you are 100% correct about lawlessness being at work, manipulation of society, and it all being by choice.

However, that is not what the Secret of the Mystery of the Gospel is about
---Rob on 11/15/08

The "MYSTERY" of lawlessness is indeed a mystery to many (their CHOICE).

Many people do not believe (they refuse to) that lawlessness is..."already at work" (and always has been, the same as schemes to manipulate society...CONSPIRACIES).

Even "Christians" do not want to believe and understand why "lawlessness" is a MYSTERY.

God points out that if we refuse to actually have a Godly demeanor, we will not understand why it is a "mystery" (because we'd rather not admit the truth).

2 Thessalonians 2:7
"the mystery of lawlessness is already at work".
---more_excellent_way on 11/15/08

The Greek word for "ELECT" is "EKLEKTO"

I do not believe the elect will be decived for three reasons.

1. They are true believers and followers of Christ, and not the followers of people or the ways of the world.

2. They follower the example found in Acts 17:11.

3. They know and understand the mystery of the gospel which was kept secret, (even kept secret from Satan), from the foundation of the world, until it was revealed to the Apostle Paul.

People are decieved because they do not know the mystery, Satan does not want people to know the mystery, and false teachers will not share the mystery.

---Rob on 11/14/08


Indeed 'Alleluia'!!!!!!!
---Shawn.M.T on 11/14/08

Yes! This wording"if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." Indicates that it will not be possible to deceive the elect. Why will it not be possible? Because God will protect his own. And the elect is his own. In heaven as the ages roll our praise will be to honor and glorify the Lord for what he has done. Hallelujah!!!!
---mima on 11/14/08

How many of those who believe they are the "elect" have always believed that the bible is an AUTHORITY? (and will continue to do so).

Matthew 28:18
"And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me".

...and also continue to believe that the bible is the word of God instead of the "WORD OF TRUTH"? (2 Timothy 2:15, Ephes.1:13, John 14:6, Ephes. 6:17).

...or that we should "walk by the spirit" (Gal. 5:16 and 25) and live under the "LAW OF LIBERTY" (James 1:25 and 2:12)?

...or that we should have a Godlike nature in order to have our conscience purified also (Hebrews 9:14)?

"STRONG" delusion?
---more_excellent_way on 11/8/08

To Whosoever has an ear to hear?

--Manny" ***Those who say it isnt possible cite me a direct verse in the scripture which says that the elect WILL not be deceived.***

This is for Manny & everyone else seeking to enduringly digest the meat of God's Word, in regards to God's elect.

1Peter2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

Chirst is the elect that shall neither be confounded nor deceived. We that truly abide in Him are considered the elect as well and we believe in God's Promises with the same faith, as Christ does, that we shall not be neither confounded, deceived nor foresaken.
---Shawn_M.T. on 11/6/08

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The problem with us here guys is we tend to use our own understanding of the words written in the bible. In other words, we interpret what is in the bible with what is in our hearts and sometimes with what we have accepted from our denominations.

Those who say it isnt possible cite me a direct verse in the scripture which says that the elect WILL not be deceived. The phrase "if it were possible..." denotes possibility... "IF" is a conditional clause.
---manny on 10/27/08

1st John actually states there will be MANY antichrists in the world..from His death and Resurrection...or inception of the Church. John also teaches anyone who denies Jesus came in the flesh IS antichrist....but it doesn't say IS THE ANTI-CHRIST.

So Just because antichrist APPEARS doesn't necessarily mean he's been in human form all along.

Even so Frances, Christians...those who BELONG to CHRIST are KEPT from the EVIL one.....John 17. Jesus prayed this before going to the Cross, and if His Prayers aren't answered, we're all lost.

His Prayer in 17 is for His Bride....and God does all things according to HIS WILL!!!

---kathr4453 on 7/28/08

Alan, I direct you to Scripture, first to Isa. 45. Read it all and when you finish go to Romans 9:11-29, which declares that God has mercy on whom He has mercy, this passages are talking about how God chooses according to election that the purpose of God might stand. Not man's purpose, but Gods. He chose Jacob over Esau before they were even born. The following verses deal with those who complain against God. "What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much along suffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, Even us whom He called.."
---Mark_V. on 7/27/08

Alan, Lets suppose you were God, and you decided to create a heaven, earth and humans. And you decided a plan where you could display all your attributes. In this plan man would be subject to you, but you knew, since you are God, that man would rebel if he had free will, so you provide your Son in infinite time as a sacrifice for sin to those who will fall, and bring them back to you with love. Through their sinful nature you would be able to display love, compassion, repentance, your justice and most of all your mercy. And you unfold your plan that way. And someone created says, that is not a good plan? I don't like it. It has to be to my specifications. As if they knew more then God.
He created the unelect because He chose to create them.
---Mark_V. on 7/26/08

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Christ WARNED ALL Christians to watch - pray - be counted WORTHY to ESCAPE all these things

so many antichrist doctrines today spreads lies that there is no accountability by any Christian at the end of age

Christ would be LYING in Luke 21:36 warning people to pray they be counted worthy if somehow just professing His name magically "sealed" them

remember Luke 21:36 is a warning requires action, and it requires Christians to humble themselves in prayer to be COUNTED WORTHY to ESCAPE

believe the false antichrist doctrines of men or read Gods Truth and believe Christ when he said "And then I will declare to them, I never knew you, depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness! Matt 7:23
---Rhonda on 7/25/08

Kathr, in John's gospel, (Ch 14) that the Prince of this world is coming soon and therefore Jesus is leaving soon. So after Jesus death and resurrection, Satan appears in human form on earth. This is the Antichrist. He has been on earth in human form for many centuries, going from one generation to the next via institutionalized religion. There has never been a time when the Antichrist was not around - since he appeared first. What we were waiting for was the Revelation, which occurred when John wrote his second book. Since then some have known who he is. But the real proof will be when he sets foot in the Temple in Jerusalem. That will be the fulfillment of the Scriptures. You say 'appears' but you should say ' revealed'.
---frances008 on 7/25/08

When we get so proud and think we cannot be deceived, look out you will be deceived. I see evidence everywhere around me in churches of people being deceived. I even see evidence here on CN of people being deceived. The devil has had 6000 years of experience of deceiving people, how much experience have you had?
---Pastor_Herb on 7/25/08

*** Personally I know that the elect will not be deceived simply because they know that the impostor appears first. The true second coming of 'The Christ' will be obvious and undeniable. ****

AMEN Josef, and The Lord knows us and we KNOW HIM.

To KNOW the Lord is used in the most intimate way intimate, beyond the marriage bed.

If a stranger tried to crawl in bed with me I would KNOW it, and KNOW he is not the real deal.

Do YOU all KNOW the Lord that intimately? If not, ask yourselves WHY? You are suppose to.
---kathr4453 on 7/25/08

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"You're taking "if" out of context. Context, context, context.

It is possible and it has happened. It will increase. Thank God for those of us who can see through the smokescreens or fountains of useless religious blathering." --josef on 7/20/08

This post does not reflect my thoughts. (As the josef who has been posting here for the past two and a half years.) Personally I know that the elect will not be deceived simply because they know that the impostor appears first. The true second coming of 'The Christ' will be obvious and undeniable.
---josef on 7/23/08

Joseph I apologize sir, I inadvertently capitalized the "j". I realize these thoughts may not reflect yours and I wanted to clear this up. These post will follow us as that in which we will have to account for. Of course the Father knows the source, however it can not be discerned here without a disclaimer.

"Does this small word indicate that this could not possibly happen?" Yes.

However, due to the fact that the elects grief and concern for the deceived will have the tendency to consume their thoughts and focus to the point of extreme aggravation and/or despair, "for the elects sake, those days will be shortened".
---joseph on 7/23/08

Pharisee, Jesus is warning everyone because some people who think they are born again are on the wrong track and they may well be among the Chosen Ones and Jesus is trying to put them back on track. I have often quoted 2 Thess 2 to people in an attempt to tell them that they are the Christians being deceived. Now I did not say that deceived people are going to Hell forever. But deceived people are going to make a lot of serious mistakes which will do untold damage to the cause of the Kingdom of God. Don't you think they should be warned that they are in danger of the fires that will test their works at the end of the age/or their lifetime. I imagine having your works put through the fire is pretty upsetting. Jesus is warning them.
---frances008 on 7/23/08

Mark_V.: "Steven, you are correct."

On the contrary, praise God who gives out information to anyone who asks.
---Steveng on 7/23/08

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God's elect, will not bow the knee to BAAL

VERY TRUE - Gods people do not bow down to any trinity or any heathen practice even if it is wrapped up in Christ

danger is believing you are the elect simply because one confesses Christ on their lips

...true Christians are humble obeying Christs warning *** WATCH PRAY BE COUNTED WORTHY TO ESCAPE *** true Christians obey these warnings and with great humbleness pray to be counted worthy

it will be possible to deceive the elect - MANY believe they are the elect by simply professing Christ on their lips

yes even the elect will be deceived
---Rhonda on 7/23/08

So let me get this straight.

Your telling me that someone with a genuine conversion who goes and puts out the spirit's fire and shipwrecks their faith WON'T be deceived?

Aren't they already deceived?

This is already happening, but maybe those ones weren't the elect huh?

What of well meaning God fearing Christians who are drawn into a cult (this is happening too) maybe they're not the elect either right?

As for those who remain true to the gospel that saved them, I totally agree with you this shant prevail against them.
---Pharisee on 7/23/08

Steven, you are correct.Matt. 23:13 "endures to the end shall be saved" together with verse 22, "And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved, but for the "elect's" sake those days will be shortened." The ones who persevere are the same ones who are saved-not the ones whose love grows cold (v.12). This does not suggest that our perseverance secures our salvation. Scripture everywhere teaches precisely the opposite. God, as part of His saving work, secures our perseverance. True believers '"are kept by the power of God through faith for salvation" (1 Peter 1:5).
---Mark_V. on 7/23/08

***"If it were possible" ****

IF IT WERE POSSIBLE is interesting. But it isn't possible, that's the thing. In other words, it is going to be soooooooo deceptive, that even God's elect could be deceived...IF it were possible.

God's elect, will not bow the knee to BAAL....very simply put....whether the Elect of the Church or the Elect of Israel..we are chase VIRGINS....meaning we will not be defiled by anything or anyone.....

Now many have been taken captive by false doctrine..but I believe the Faithfulness of God will deliver us ( His True) from a complete and total deception, and false teachers.

HE is able to KEEP ALL I've committed unto Him against that day. Praise God!!!!
---kathr4453 on 7/23/08

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Haven't any of you taken any English courses or writing courses in school?

Actually yes, I was a standout in my creative writing class in college. The teacher used to read my papers aloud for the rest of the class.

As for this matter of the elect not being deceived I don't buy it. That's more voodoo Christianity, so why the warning from Jesus if it can't happen?

"If it were possible" is a case by case basis, and you're either watching and waiting for him or your deceived, going along with the world's program. I know some cases where this is fact already, but you probably think I'm talking about me.
---Pharisee on 7/23/08

If it were not possible, Jesus would not have said, "Take heed that no man deceive you." (Matt 24:4). Jesus said, "many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.", "And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold." The only escape is to endure, Matthew 24:13: "But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." I believe the "physical" disciples were of the "elect", and they were being seriously warned. Paul warned a bunch about deception, 1 Cor 6:9, 1 Cor 15:33, 2 Tim 3:13, Gal 6:7.
---Nana on 7/23/08

Haven't any of you taken any English courses or writing courses in school? It's not the word "if" that is at issue, it's the whole phrase after the conjunction "that" - 'if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.' This phrase simply means that the signs and wonders by the false prophets and false Christs is so powerful to even convince the elect to go against God. If it were possible, but it is not. It's just showing how strong the deceit is.
---Steveng on 7/22/08

Those who do not have a godly character by nature, will immediately be offended at the thought that some people are Chosen. But they do not realize that for all they know they are part of the Chosen people, and all they have to do is to believe in Jesus Christ.- make the appropriate adjustments, humble yourself etc. False images of Jesus and of God have been used to make people worship the god of this world. Idol worship has resulted, and if you look up idol worship it is not bowing down to statues but something far more subtle. It is putting anything between you and God, food, television, sports, reading fiction, etc. etc. God must be King of your life. It is for our good.
---frances008 on 7/22/08

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Of course it is wrong to make graven images for the purpose of making them gods. Who does that these days? I don't know anyone, though I suppose some Eastern mystics might. I don't know why Alan and others are worried that some are going by their own free will into destruction. They deserve it for rejecting the free gift of salvation, which costs nothing, but can only be accepted by those who realize that they need it. The final days are going to be very perilous. False Christs. That means we might have been presented with the wrong Jesus. Be careful. Read the Word. That is the Jesus we must put our faith in, not some New Age Christ, as defined by them.
---frances008 on 7/22/08

Yes, it is possible. You better get close to God if you want to miss HELL!
---catherine on 7/22/08

YES It will not happen to the elect.

Under the loving guidance of the Holy Spirit the "very elect" are being kept in remembrance of the Word of the Lord, giving the elect the decrement to not be deceived.

Submitting to the Holy Spirit helps us to be confident in all of life's events. It is the Love of God that keeps us optimistically walking by faith, allowing the prosperity of God's Word into our lives, despite what is happening by the site of those pessimistic in the World.

If we take a pessimistic view of event in life, we will never relish in the glory that is the Lord.(Psalm 23:1-6)
---Shawn.M.T on 7/22/08

Psalm 23:1 The LORD is my shepherd, I shall not want.

2 He maketh me to lie down in green pastures: he leadeth me beside the still waters.

3 He restoreth my soul: he leadeth me in the paths of righteousness for his name's sake.

4 Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me, thy rod and thy staff they comfort me.

5 Thou preparest a table before me in the presence of mine enemies: thou anointest my head with oil, my cup runneth over.

6 Surely goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life: and I will dwell in the house of the LORD for ever.
---Shawn.M.T on 7/22/08

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Maybe people do not want to answer to sound arrogant like, 'I am elect and you are not', kind of thing. I believe there are many categories of people. Some will receive a crown, others rewards, others will get into Heaven due to a good testimony from a Christian, (Revelation) 144.000 are from the 12 tribes, a whole multitude will have endured through great persecution, many will have given their lives for their friends, and so on.
---frances008 on 7/22/08

Old Guy ... I don't think we are going to be answered on this blog!
---alan_of_UK on 7/22/08

Alan, exactly what I would like to know. My comment was ironic.
---old_guy on 7/20/08

Old Guy ... Why were those unelect created?

Punishement does not seem the reason, because they never had the choice to be anything but disobedient.

As entertainment for the elect?
Or as an example?
Or show that God has the power?
---alan_of_UK on 7/20/08

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You're taking "if" out of context. Context, context, context.

It is possible and it has happened. It will increase. Thank God for those of us who can see through the smokescreens or fountains of useless religious blathering.
---josef on 7/20/08

"Does this small word indicate that this could not possibly happen?" Yes.

However, due to the fact that the elects grief and concern for the deceived will have the tendency to consume their thoughts and focus to the point of extreme aggravation and/or despair, "for the elects sake, those days will be shortened".
---Joseph on 7/20/08

The "strong delusion" has been around all throughout history. Believing that the strong delusion is a FUTURE EVENT is why it is so strong (the MAIN reason). The strong delusion has deceived billions of people already (of course you don't WANT to believe that...which is another reason it is so STRONG). Many people have read that there are "SECRETS" and "MYSTERIES" of God, but pastors have always taught that these "secrets" and "mysteries" are only for God to know...NO, the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10) are for us to know when/if we become good students of God's spirit.
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/08

Of course you feel I should not speak against using words like "Yahweh", Elohim", "Yeshua", etc. that is why billions of people all throughout history have always had the strong delusion (because they refused to give up THEIR EMPIRE of scholarly/textual wisdom).

The only reason anyone wants to use words like "Yahweh", "Yeshua", etc. is puffed up EGO. People want to imagine themselves 'GREAT Bereans' (the Bereans wanted to be good followers of PAUL, not Jesus).

The strong delusion is SELF-IMPOSED.

NOTHING before the spirit was given is valid worship/devotion for a NEW testament Christian.
John 7:39
"for as yet the Spirit had not been given", RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 7/20/08

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The Elect are apparently those comparatively few chosen from the foundation of the world. The rest are apparently reprobate, and for them it doesn't matter whether they are deceived or not. They've been written off.
---old_guy on 7/19/08

The Holy Spirit can have us tell the difference, no matter how things are made to look.

Have you read Joshua 9:1-14?

We can always go by the Holy Spirit, instead of by evidence which can be rigged (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/19/08

Ive seen some called "the elect" who couldn't tell the difference between the voice of God and say Darth Vader.

It's an IF that you decide, not God, not the devil, though both pull in their respective directions.

I can tell you that God will work to keep you in his safe place, for it was revealed through the Spirit that he would have none perish and complete a good work he started in you, but stubborn people go their own route and earn the blows they're met with in eternity. You're either a slave to the desires of the flesh in time with the word's drumbeat or you hunger and thrirst for right things and they're shown to you.

Mat 5:5 "Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."
---Pharisee on 7/19/08

---Mima on 7/19/08

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