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Faithful Christians Are Attacked

Can anyone answer this question (ref to bible verses would be helpful) - "Why do some of the most faithful Christians, who suffer illness, not receive healing even after much prayer and submission?"

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There are some people who enjoys being sick. They use sickness as an excuse not to face up to life. Some are tired of life and consciously or unconsciously wants to die. They are not healed for the simple reason they do not want to be. Unconfessed Sin>>>They may seem holy and righteous on the surface, but, deep down inside, they are filled with resentment. Also, Demonic activity>>> Demons must be casted out. In some cases healings are not instantaneous, but gradual. Finally, try and discover the problem. Healing may take place. Stay in prayer.
---catherine on 12/2/08


Ryan, if unforgiveness stops healing, I guess you'll live forever?
---Deb on 8/10/08


God said:" I am the God that healeth thee." KJV. Many can not be healed because of unbelief. Smith W. criedupon seeing a dead child,whom he,(through his anointing,)brought back to life.He cried, knowing what SIN does. (Sins of the Fathers visited upon the children.) In most instances,when one is sick, there is a spirit at work. Without deliverance, there can only be a temporary healing,because the spirit of Infirmity has not been cast out. Yep, here I go again,but listen up! I once knew a lady with bone cancer, who was healed through praise and worship through her own voice! What a testimony! Throughout her agonizing ordeal,she sang and hummed praise to God,the spirit of Death had to leave!
---Danelle8439 on 7/23/08


Healing is a supernatural act of God. There are many reasons why people don't get healed.

The carnal minded man cannot understand the things of the Spirit of God, but if you research and study, you find that the Word of God brings healing to all of your body (Proverbs 4:22-24). The bible also tells us that HE IS ABLE TO QUICKEN YOUR MORTAL BODY. "Believe" is what Jesus told people, "your faith has made you well." We as Christians need more revelation knowledge in regards to God's healing power and "by His stripes we are healed." Are all sins confessed and repented for or will God heal you if you've got unconfessed sin? There are MANY aspects to healing...study the word and God will reveal so much to you.
---donna8365 on 7/23/08


A very close family member suffered a illness. While everybody was stunned and praying for healing. I went to my prayer closet and started praising the Lord for the situation as it existed at that very moment. Within two days illness gone symptoms gone. Purpose of this story? I'm certain the "praise ministry" works. And I encourage all others in need of a resolution to a situation to praise God for that situation as it exists now!!!
---Mima on 7/23/08




Nancy:

But isn't that just the point? Praying for almost ANYTHING is, in fact, asking God to circumvent the laws of physical reality to make things happen differently than they would have happened if you hadn't prayed?

If one says that God won't interfere with the laws of physics, then this means one of several things:
1) God can't change them (meaning he's not all-powerful), or
2) God won't change them (which means he isn't interested, or he has some other agenda that's more important than us)
In either case, it would mean that we're alone and on our own. Somehow, I don't think this is the message that Christianity or the Bible want to convey.
---StrongAxe on 7/22/08


Because they are praying for healing, when they should be praying for mental and spiritual strength.

But it is unreasonable to ask Gd to change the laws of biology and physics (which He Himself made) to allow a person who is not meant to be well, to be healed. No amount of prayer will ever remove the extra chromosome that causes Down's Syndrome, for example, but it will help the parents of a child with said syndrome have the strength to deal with the extra tasks needed to raise such a child.

Prayer is that way for many incurable disorders: it doesn't heal them, but it makes them more tolerable.

And when an illness becomes intolerable, and no cure is in sight, then prayer eases the way for the sufferer into the next world.
---Nancy on 7/22/08


SONG:
Lord keep me day by day, in a pure and perfect way...

I want to live... I want to love on.. in a building not made by hands,

Chorus:

I'm only a stranger here, traveling through this barren land,

Lord I know there's a building there's a building some where somewhere a building not made by hands.


Lord keep my body strong so that I can do no wrong
Give me the grace to run this Christian race
To a building not made by hands

Lord keep me day by day..
---Carla5754 on 7/22/08


For this cause many are weak and sickly among you, and many sleep. For if we would judge ourselves, we should not be judged. 1 Corinthians 11:30-31

Verse 31 Holds the key, and that should be applied to all things in our lives because it is as the scripture says "judgment begins in the house of God."

According to your doctrine Christians should be able to partake in an unworthy manner and not get sick. So if the Lord would "never allow sickness to hurt a Christian"...why would this be true?

Further if sickness and death were not the plan for Christians, why not regenerate the body as well as the spirit at salvation? The body was built with sickness and death in it, God allowed it or creation is scrapped.
---Pharisee on 7/21/08


Ryan welcome back brother, it's good to see you posting, and your writing is very polished these days. I hope you hang around a while.

God Bless You,
---Pharisee on 7/21/08




Well, why do you need Bible verses? Paul,you know the Apostle, the one who everyone thinks is a fake. He never received healings from his affliction. I will not either. Jesus told Paul that my grace is sufficent. God also has said the same thing to me. And for all you doubters, I heard it before I knew that it was in the Bible. By the way, Paul is no fake. He suffered for the Lord Jesus Christ more than anyone ever has. He was truly a real man. Have a great week, everyone.
---catherine on 7/20/08


God bless you all. The Holy Spirit certainly dwells in your hearts and your words of faith are uplifting. I have just finished having one of many conversations with my husband about trusting in God and having courage to use our measure of faith to let God steer us through our difficult time. We thank you and hope we may provide the same hope when and if you need it.

"Now they know that everything you have given me comes from you. For I gave them the words that you gave me and they accepted them. They knew with certainty that I came from you, and they believed that you sent me. I pray for them." (John 16:7)
---Di on 7/20/08


Lack of faith is easy to say friend, but it's not the final explanation in every case.

Was Job's case a lack of faith, because James said we'd see faith by what it does and God called him "righteous" of all things.
Job had faith or he'd not be righteous.

Or what of a couple I heard of that mortgaged their house and took a flight to see a faith healer, didn't it take faith to sell all they had and get on a plane, GAVE IT ALL to the man no half steppin, no anninias and saphira deal, All of it. Not healed!

So what you are saying simply doesn't work in reality and therefore is an incomplete understanding.
Last, I don't know how you got Paul's thorn wrong, it says in the text is an infirmity.
---Pharisee on 7/20/08


Pharisee: "You'll likely get the word of faith crowd (no offense people) telling you that it's for lack of faith. What an easy band aid for that boo boo aye?"

It IS the lack of faith. Most Christians today lack faith. What ever happened to performing greater miracles than Jesus? They lack this faith because of today's denominational churches created by Satan to cause division among Christians.

"In some cases God lets illness remain to humble someone, and Paul is one example from the New Testament."

God will not allow an 'illness' to hurt a Christians. You need to re-read the thorn in Paul's side does not include sicknesses.
---Steveng on 7/20/08


Read 2 Corinthians to learn that Paul prayed for his thorn in the flesh to be removed, and he prayed three times, but it was not removed. He learned from that.

God is not in the Santa business, giving us our wishes, and healing is not an automatic thing He promises. His will is done in the bodies of His children sick and well.

I knew a young woman who had breast cancer, who prayed for healing and had the elders anoint her, and she got sicker and died within weeks. God did indeed heal her, in her resurrection body she is healed.
---Trish9863 on 7/20/08


Far better to hear from the WoF crowd than the submerging emergent crowd.
---frank on 7/20/08


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They are to teach others to always love God no matter what their situation happens to be.

Has not Job taught us well?
---Nicole on 7/20/08


and my reply would be are they faithful?have they been divorced more than twice?are they more worried about their portfolio, and retirement plan people?are they possession oriented?do they really obey the word?most people even christians today live as though Gods word has gray areas that they can interpret,and bend,and twist too match their lifestyle.
---tom2 on 7/20/08


they believe that obeying God is sorta like lets make a deal.remember that show.God dont make deals.or they believe they can live any old way they wish and repent later.or maybe ,just maybe we are all like the isralites,AND SUPER REBELLIOUS.
---tom2 on 7/20/08


The missing key to healing is unforgiveness.
Unforgiveness and bitterness will bring literal deterioriation to your bones and body, the bible says so. Bones will rot from the inside out, literally, from unforgiveness.

Show me a bitter, unforgiving iconoclast and I'll show you someone that has trouble all around them.

Iconoclast gone wrong. Doing the devil's accusing of the brethern and calling it God's work.

Ever notice how rotten you feel when you read too many exposes that go for dirt they can dig up on someone and call it just the facts? Read too many of them and you feel as if you need to take a bath. It's dirty work. But it rubs back off them, too.

Unforgiveness stops healing.
---Ryan on 7/20/08


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Hi, Di . . . IF someone is *really* faithful, and is suffering illness after he/she has kept on submitting to the LORD > the person needs to just keep on submitting to the LORD, and do exactly whatever He has the person do.

"My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness." (in 2 Corinthians 12:9)

But we have people who can have you thinking they are faithful, just because of their ongoing talking and church activities > "'Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.'" (John 7:24)

And as for "medical" personality troubles > "For God has not given us a spirit of fear, but of power and of love and of a sound mind." (2 Timothy 1:7)
---Bill_bila5659 on 7/20/08


Writing long, drawn out exposes on everyone you consider to be a non-Christian, false teacher, false prophet may have it's place...but it takes a toll on the one writing them.

Especially when the writing is filled with bitterness. It comes through, loud and clear. There's also something amiss about needing that kind of negative attention.

There's nothing that edifies or exhorts.
Like I've said, read too much of it and it makes me feel sick at heart.


Being the critic of others as a life's work, I don't really think it's a work that pleases God. He alone is the Righteous Judge, and people aren't that qualified.
---Ryan on 7/20/08


John 3.16 What sort of life does this refer to? Worldly or spiritual?
---alan_of_UK on 7/20/08


You'll likely get the word of faith crowd (no offense people) telling you that it's for lack of faith.

What an easy band aid for that boo boo aye?

The rest of the truth is that God is wiser, and he knows us better than we do, and will not be reduced to carrying out the whims of men against his own will.

In some cases God lets illness remain to humble someone, and Paul is one example from the New Testament.

Any combination of things could be in play in an event like this, and the answer will be discerned differently in every case because no two are completely alike.
---Pharisee on 7/20/08


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I believe we should approach healing, by recognizing the full sovereignty of Almighty God. Much prayer and much submission is very good.
Now for a different approach, have you ever heard of the "PRAISE MINISTRY"??? Here's what the praise Ministry is, go before God with praise and thanksgiving for the illness or sickness or condition that you presently have and thereby turn the problem over to Almighty God, telling him you praise him and thank them for it as it is this very moment. Now comfortable, that it is in the hands of Almighty God just rest in peace. I believe you will be pleasantly surprised with the results of this prayer.
---Mima on 7/20/08


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