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Drinking Alcohol Moderately

Is it okay to drink alcohol moderately without getting drunk?

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 ---Pam on 8/6/08
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Someone said "anything in moderation is okay." I must disagree. A little crack cocaine, a little arsenic, a little adultery. Cliches can get in the way. Drinking... I think the grape juice argument has trouble just on the basis of refrigeration in the middle east 2000 years ago. Not being drunk seems to be a pretty clear directive. The consequences have been pretty expensive throughout history.
---Ron on 6/29/10


The Bible does not say that a true child of God cannot drink strong drinks. Instead it warns that "wine is a mocker and strong drink is raging, and if you allow them to deceive you, then you are not wise". That said, Paul told Timothy to "drink a little wine for his stomach sake". Jesus served wine to His disciples at both the Last and Lord's Supper, and He also turned water into wine at a wedding. So I think that Christians on ocassion can drink alcoholic drinks, if it does not "violate the conscience" of anyone, it's not consume in worldly settings, the Christian takes into account his status in Christ, and he does not get drunk.
---June5944 on 8/27/08


Alcohol is a hurdle for some and we should be careful here as we do not wish to be a hindrance to young believers.

Alcohol in a measured form is not bad, but unfortunately we are still human and prone to excess and to make excuses for what we would deem, in our own eyes as a little drink.

If an individual is mature and strong in themselves, which few are, wine will not be a mocker and strong drink should not be raging (Prov.20.1) Let us not forget how strong Noah was and yet he became drunk and was chastened of God and shamed himself.
---alan on 8/22/08


I think it is ok to drink red wine or white wine (moderately), but to me that is it.
If you drink hot stuff you're just looking for trouble.
---Chandre on 8/22/08


>>Apparently, the alcohol, even with a low % by volume rating is very important to drinkers. Too bad, other issues with more spiritual significance do not capture or command as much discussion and effort.<<

You are being a tad unfair. I think the alcohol must be present for the 1 glass a day wine drinkers to get the heart health benefit. I said I usually choose oatmeal BTW. I don't think this thread is drawing unusual discussion. It is what it is. If you want to see obsession about other topics, look for another thread. SOME people on BOTH sides of the issue have been defensive, but no one is advocating outright sin here.
---obewan on 8/22/08




I am not a drinker and never have been but I refus to be pushed into denying the very clear teachings in the Bible. When people who can see what you're drinking call you a wine-bibber you are obviously drinking wine with alcoholic content. Ever heard of a grape juice drinker being cold wine-bibber?
---Mima on 8/22/08


Question? Why does it seem there is such a need to justify alcoholic consumption, a need to be a tad defensive by those who drink? Why so much importance to have the drink with alcoholic content? If it were not apparently so important, there would much less, if any discussion. It would be a non issue. Apparently, the alcohol, even with a low % by volume rating is very important to drinkers. Too bad, other issues with more spiritual significance do not capture or command as much discussion and effort. Sadly, alcohol is very important. Thankfully, not for me or for so many others. Being free from it, we don't have to defend or justify it. Does it seem, when you have to "justify" your swimming up stream or going cross grain?
---Robert on 8/21/08


Those who state no one can drink are like the new Jewish converts in Acts who were demanding Christains to be Circumcised.

I walk, sleep, talk and run with my Lord 24/7. I drink without getting a buzz.

I never been drunk in my life. I have control of this drink. The drink does not have control of me.

If someone has trouble with drinking, they already know where to socialize.
Just like I know what to order from the menu.

Next, you will ask to close down all fast food resturants.
Remove all fatty foods off menu.
Remove whole milk from stores.
List goes on and on according to your logic.

I will watch my weight scale daily.
You watch your drinking or not drinking.

You are not BIG BROTHER.
---Nicole on 8/20/08


What I find silly is that people keep quoting statistics. There is no way that anyone knows who is not drinking and who is drinking. If you put 50 graduates of a drug/alcohol rehab in a room and ask how many of them have not drank or used drugs since they graduated, those who have used will not be honest about it. The only way that any statistics would be accurate would be if you lived with that person 24/7. That is why when a drug/alohol rehab programs boasts of having a big success rate, you cannot trust that figure. They have no way of proving it.
---SusieB on 8/20/08


***Kathr4453: In Texas .08% blood alcohol is considered legally drunk. I guess then that Moderationism can be defined as .079% in Texas. In California legally drunk is .09%, so I guess that it takes longer to sin in California then it does in Texas?****


Too Funny!!!!LOL


Alcohol IS a DRUG, and guess what....GOD is not in the Drug pushing business.

JUST say NO!!!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/20/08




">>One man has no desire to drink but does anyway just to prove a point.<<"

The point has been proven and is mostly behind me. The only reason I post is because I now understand both options. I don't keep wine in my home pantry, and probably drink 1 glass a year - sometimes none. When my cholesterol or triglecerides are out of whack, I am sometimes temped to drink a glass a day for my health, but oatmeal is another option that could not cause others to stumble.
---obewan on 8/20/08


Pam, although many on this topic seem to be condemning one another for even letting a drop touch their lips ....and others have a holier than everyone else approach to not touching it at all ....Gods Word tells us not to have strong drink

Proverbs 31:6
Give strong drink to him who is perishing, And wine to those who are bitter of heart

Proverbs 20:1
Wine is a mocker,Strong drink is a brawler, And whoever is led astray by it is not wise.

many claim they don't touch alchol because they have the Holy Spirit dwelling in them yet ignore Christ and don't obey HIM in all things so go figure

difference between being led astray and drinking moderately on occassion
---Rhonda on 8/20/08


obewan, Good..have at it. I am not responsible for your decisions. Your free to do what you want. I am secure in what I believe and likewise, you do what ever. If it is wrong for me to drink, I will not. If its ok for you, its between you and God. That goes for anyone.
---Robert on 8/20/08


One man has no desire to drink but does anyway just to prove a point. One man has a desire to drink but does not just to prove a point. I value the character of the man that does not, his point is of greater value to me.
---TIMOTHY on 8/20/08


>>These desires fade the closer and longer you walk with the Lord. You become more spiritually minded and less flesh guided and hopefully rise above the nonsense...
---Robert on 8/19/08<<

What desire? I have been a Christian over 40 years, and I have no DESIRE to drink. I do NOT enjoy the sensation, and I STOP after just one drink.

I never used to touch a drop, but now realize it is possible for a mature Christian to partake of ONE glass of wine on rare occasions without 'sinning' or being 'flesh guided'. I would never drink in the presence of one who has a drinking problem.

The Christians at my church who drink wine are mature solid believers who have healthy spiritual and physical lives. I feel liberated now.
---obewan on 8/20/08


Robert, your weakness isn't my weakness.

My weakness is food not wine.
I can pick it up, drink 2 cups without a buzz or getting drunk. I can go 2 years before drinking another slip.

Now, choc chip cookies is another matter.

If I eat one cookie, I want another. I have eaten 7 big cookies at one setting.

I shouldn't tease my pancreas.
So I gained controlled of my desires of cookies.

Cookies may not be your weakness, so I will not tell you not to eat cookies because they happen to be my weakness.

Please do the same with me.
If you can't drink a drop of wine without falling over, then yes, you shouldn't drink even a drop. Eat cookies instead.

We all do not suffer from the same temptations.
---Nicole on 8/19/08


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If a person is walking with the Lord he or she will not want to drink alcohol..Lord tells us not to drink strong drink.
---CALVA8984 on 8/19/08


Kathr4453: In Texas .08% blood alcohol is considered legally drunk. I guess then that Moderationism can be defined as .079% in Texas. In California legally drunk is .09%, so I guess that it takes longer to sin in California then it does in Texas?
---TIMOTHY on 8/19/08


OBEWAN: As asked, I took the spirit of the question to imply non-medicinal, recreational drinking. I usually try to answer the intent of the question and not respond to the rabbit trails that some bloggers waste time on.
---TIMOTHY on 8/19/08


Moderationism:


The moderationist position is held by Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox,and Anglicans, and within Protestantism, it is accepted by most Lutherans and Reformed churches. Moderationism is also accepted by Jehovah's Witnesses.

Moderationism argues that, according to the biblical and traditional witness, alcohol is a good gift of God that is rightly used in the Eucharist and for making the heart merry, and while its dangers are real, it may be used wisely and moderately rather than being shunned or prohibited because of potential abuse.

Moderationism holds that temperance (that is, moderation or self-control) in all of one's behavior, not abstinence, is the biblical norm.
---kathr4453 on 8/19/08


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Common Sense!! Why drink alcohol, what for? Cough syrup is a poor example. Lets find another "make believe" spiritual loophole and pass to justify alcohol consumption. Is it not for the buzz? Maybe a little bit? Or is it the stomach ailment or poor water quality that we are plagued with? These desires fade the closer and longer you walk with the Lord. You become more spiritually minded and less flesh guided and hopefully rise above the nonsense...
---Robert on 8/19/08


Regarding alcohol, just don't for any reason.
---TIMOTHY on 8/18/08

Does that mean no cough medicine? Obesity and heart disease are a bigger epidemic in America than alcohol related problems. Would you say just don't eat for any reason?

The leader at a Baptist singles group I used to attend used to freak because I was from a 'liberal' church were SOME people consumed just one glass of wine on occasion. He was pushing 300 lbs, and had a massive heart attack that caused him to stop all his ministry work. He frequently ate lots of fried chicken and multiple servings of baked goods at church events.
---obewan on 8/19/08


According to my believe drinking,whether minimal or not is against christianity.Paul says in Hebrews we should avoid sin that entangles so much and all loads that may be heavy on us for we are surrounded by a cloud of witnesses.I strongly believe in not compromising the word of God.
---Polly on 8/19/08


Oinos is used in the Septuagint for both fermented and unfermented grape juice. Since it can mean either one, it is valid to insist that in some cases it may simply mean grape juice and not fermented wine.

...the Roman writer Cato, in his treatise On Agriculture, gave this prescription: "If you wish to keep new wine sweet the whole year round, put new wine in a jar, cover the stopper with pitch, place the jar in a fishpond, take it out after the thirtieth day, you will have sweet wine all the year round." ...

Does fermented wine have medicinal value? The present writer once put this question to a noted surgeon, the head of a department in a university medical school. His answer was an emphatic no.
---kathr4453 on 8/19/08


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Bill in the last week two grossly overweight people have confessed their problem stems from their addiction to overeating, especially unhealthy food. Obesity destroys lives and costs untold billions in medical costs and lost work each year. Is food the problem, should its consumption be controlled by the state? Or is the individuals addiction the problem?

Same with wine, which in moderation is healthy.
---Warwick on 8/16/08

Excellent Point. Plus, the Government pays these billions of dollar of medical problem.
They still are not trying to control eating.
---Nicole on 8/18/08


Actually Alcohol was never in question among the Body of Christ UNTIL Catholocism began to infultrate the Church.
For Alcoholics cannot even tolerate one tiny sip.
If Alcohol was so innocent, then ALL would and could tolerate as a gift from God. We know this is not so.--kathr4453 on 8/15/08

Guess what?
I just found out that the Religions who allow drinking have the less about of drinking abuses.

Jewish people in America have the least drinking abuses and problem than any other religions.

Guess who has the highest problems of abuses, alcoholics than any other religion?

Protestant denominations that prohibit drinking.

Drinking not getting drunk.

All religions prohibit getting drunk.
---Nicole on 8/18/08


Regarding alcohol, just don't for any reason.
---TIMOTHY on 8/18/08


Heres all the bible verses in NT that talk about wine. Now look em up and then decide. Try to make a fair honest judgment and see if theres a prohibition or freedom to use it. My opinion is too much of anything can be come sinful. But thats just my opinion. As too much alcohol is drunkenness so is too much eating is gluttony. its a sinful perversion and misuse of the object.
Mat_9:17, Mat_27:34, Mat_27:48, Mar_2:22, Mar_12:1, Mar_15:23, Luk_1:15, Luk_5:37, Luk_5:38, Luk_5:39, Luk_7:33, Luk_10:34, Luk_23:36, Joh_2:3, Joh_2:9, Joh_2:10, Joh_4:46, Joh_19:29, Joh_19:30, Act_2:13, Rom_14:21, Eph_5:18, 1Ti_3:3, 1Ti_3:8, 1Ti_5:23, Tit_1:7, Tit_2:3, Rev_6:6, Rev_14:8, Rev_14:10, Rev_16:19, Rev_17:2, Rev_18:3, Rev_18:13, Rev_19:15,
---wayne on 8/16/08


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Bill in the last week two grossly overweight people have confessed their problem stems from their addiction to overeating, especially unhealthy food. Obesity destroys lives and costs untold billions in medical costs and lost work each year. Is food the problem, should its consumption be controlled by the state? Or is the individuals addiction the problem?

Same with wine, which in moderation is healthy.
---Warwick on 8/16/08


Kathr4453, what medical field? I am a nurse. Grape Juice is full of SUGAR.
No suggesting of grape juice.
Too many diabetics esp in the West to suggest drinking grape juice daily.
Grape juice is only good for Vit C. But better sources is choose due to having less sugar than Grape juice.

Paul never heard of Grape Juice. It is an American Juice.
Go to Europe and try to find it. It is very hard. I couldn't.

They drink Wine. Protestants drink Grape Juice instead of wine.
We drink stuff full of sugar. sodas, grape juice and the like.

12 oz Coke-cola cost 5 Euro's ($7.50 in dollars)
Glass of Wine avg 2 to 3 Euros.
They jack up the price of soda, because they know how much sugar Americans love to drink.
---Nicole on 8/16/08


Don't assume Paul recommended Alcohol.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/08

I don't have to assume.
Paul wrote the letter to Timothy giving him advice for his weak stomach.
He didn't think people would be debating this one helpful sentence to Timothy 2000 years later.

His focus was to help Timothy.
I quess the wine worked. No mention of needing anything else.

He doesn't have to be a doctor or even a nurse.
Mothers all over the world know how to medically treat their children without a medical degree.
Common sense is only needed.

---Nicole on 8/16/08


Many use the scripture... a little wine is good for the stomach sake.. In our cultural all Alcohol has beccome an abusive drink.. and some have a weakness for it and can easily become an Acohlic...There are many many great drinks for socializing...a great number of non-alcoholic wines which have similiaries in taste to those with Alcohol content...I prefer to totally sustain..
---bill on 8/15/08


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"" The bible talks about not drinking. Jesus turned water into wine, yes, new wine is not alcohol, it is like grape juice unfermented. ""

In other words, Jesus did a half-way miracle.

He could get the water to become grape juice, but not wine. Is this what you're saying?

As Ursine pointed out, squeeze the grape and fermentation starts immediately.
---katavasia on 8/15/08


Numbers 6:
2 Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, When either man or woman shall separate themselves to vow a vow of a Nazarite, to separate themselves unto the LORD:

3 He shall separate himself from wine and strong drink, and shall drink no vinegar of wine, or vinegar of strong drink, neither shall he drink any liquor of grapes, nor eat moist grapes, or dried.

4 All the days of his separation shall he eat nothing that is made of the vine tree, from the kernels even to the husk.


---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 8/15/08


The bible talks about not drinking. Jesus turned water into wine, yes, new wine is not alcohol, it is like grape juice unfermented.

Too many think that since He turned water into wine it is okay. It was not condoned by Jesus.
---Betty on 8/15/08


9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew,) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine, and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

Do you think you could fool me with worse tasting "grape juice" after i've well drunk of the good tasting grape juice? OUGH BOY!

Notice where it says "well drunk", which means that they had drank a lot and after this the worse grape juice was brought out,
You would have to have a buzz not to know the diff.
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 8/15/08


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I have wondered many, many times if having a glass of wine (or mixed drink), every-once-in-a-while is a sin. I hear lots of people say that the "wine" in the bible is actually grape juice...where does it say that? If it was grape juice, why wasn't it called that? I am a Christian and I love the Lord, but if I have a glass or two of wine on occasion (on a rare occasion), am I sinning? I don't get drunk and in fact, haven't had a glass of wine in almost a year. Just wondering...
---Vickie on 8/15/08


Actually Alcohol was never in question among the Body of Christ UNTIL Catholocism began to infultrate the Church.

Now many Protestant churches are serving up Alcoholic Wine for communion. Bad Idea.

For Alcoholics cannot even tolerate one tiny sip.

If Alcohol was so innocent, then ALL would and could tolerate as a gift from God. We know this is not so.
---kathr4453 on 8/15/08


All was called wine, and was Grape Juice.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/08

In John chapter 2, it was fermented wine. The greek word for juice, is "chymos", and grape juice is, "chymos stafylis". The greek word used in this passage is "oinos", which means "wine". And verse 10 tells of fermentation.

We distort truth when we change the meaning of the original words. We have both 'wine maketh glad' and 'be not drunk' in the Bible.

I have met many mature Christians who have no problems when drinking one glass of wine with dinner. I used to be a parinoid Baptist who freaked at seeing other Christians take just one drink. Now I consume 3 or 4 glasses of wine a year. Mostly at wedding toasts.
---obewan on 8/15/08


I do not drink. I have never been a drinker. But I have been to weddings where the wind was flowing freely. To freely in my opinion. But because of my experiences and because the Bible says wine I do not Condemn those who drank moderately. Is it sinful to get drunk? Absolutely!!! Is it sinful to drank moderately I cannot say it is.
---mima on 8/15/08


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The big book has told us not drink couse it is like separnt,
---nana7878 on 8/15/08


There are people who ask this question, but will NOT drink moderately. Alcohol is proven to be potentially dangerous. Usually I put in just enough of an alcoholic beverage to flavor juice or juice with ginger ale or something like that, never trying to get an effect. And I might have a few sips of wine to taste it.

But I have been slipped drugs and drank what I didn't know had alcohol, and the effects did nothing for me, not like how I am in God's beauty and sweetness and soothing pleasantness having Heaven's own quality. He gives me true rest. So, there's nothing for me to gain from the effects of drugs or alcohol.

"you will find rest for your souls," Jesus guarantees, in Matthew 11:29.
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/14/08


Lawrence, where did you get that Catholics thinks it is okay to get drunk, smoke, surse, swear,steal, adultry, fornication as long as we go to Confession.

That's all in the 7 deadly Sins that the RCC teaches us as children. None of it is promoted.

Funny how you use Confession as a pass.

Catholics thinks since you all don't go to Confession and believe once Saved always Saved, this is your excuse to do all those sins you accuse Catholics of doing.
After all who is going to know?

The topic states drinking without getting drunk.
You gave passage showing to drink wine for your stomach.
What's your complaint?
God is strict. You should not put false rumors on any of His Children.
---Nicole on 8/14/08


Nicole, there is no reason to be sarcastic, we are "supposed" to be, and act like Christians here, if you drink alcohol, whether it's one drink or 10, or whether you're skinny or fat, you cannot be sober, whether or not you feel "buzzed", as you stated, think for one minute about the companies that make the different kinds of alcohol and what they represent, that should be enough to turn a good Christian away from it, I want to make it to heaven above anything else, and I'd sure hate to think I'd let any amount of alcohol stand in the way of that, and I hope you don't either
---Anthony on 8/14/08


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I have never seen so many Christians trying their case as scriptural attorneys to justify alcohol consumption of any amount. Ask the Holy Spirit if alcohol is something that is a preferred behavior. Ask Jesus if He were standing next to you, if He wouldn't mind passing the wine bottle, a "White Russian" or a shot of Jim Beam to you. The opinions I hear from so many of you, would make it a perfectly "ok" thing to do. Well, it amazes me how the "flesh" is a such a compromiser. Wake up and use the common sense God gave you. The longer you walk with God, you'll find these things dropping out of your life.
---Robert on 8/14/08


"It is not for Kings, O Lemuel, It is not for kings to drink wine, Nor for princes intoxicating drink, 5 Lest they drink and forget the Law, and pervert the justice of all the afflicted. 6 Give strong drink to him who is perishing, and wine to those who are bitter of heart. 7 Let him drink and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more." (Proverbs 31:4,5,6,7.)
---daviyd on 8/14/08


Nicole, Paul would not tell Timothy to drink ALCOHOL for his stomach, as alcohol is BAD for the lining of the stomach.

All was called wine, and was Grape Juice.

The Medical field today actually states in fact Grape juice is good for the stomach.

Alcohol is not.

Paul was not a doctor. AND if Timothy had ulsers....wow....malpractice!!!!

Don't assume Paul recommended Alcohol.
---kathr4453 on 8/14/08


I am replying to this as I think there is no moderately drinking. I myself dont touch the stuff. One never knows when it can become a addition. Seen too many people say they only drink socially and then end up with a problem. I prefer to be a non drinker.
---Helen on 8/14/08


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I have not found anything in the scripture that tells us that it is not ok, to drink a bit of wine. In fact in a few instances it mentions the medicinal qualities of a good glass of red wine.

But as Christians we are also instucted to be sober and vigilant. Not to be drunk with new wine.

If Jesus, and the other Disciples have gone to such lenghts to give us instructions then it should be just as easy for us to follow then.

I personally choose to obstain. Becasue I tend to do everything in excess so, to stay out of trouble, I choose to "Just Say NO."
---Dianne on 8/14/08


Anthony, maybe your one drink is a 64oz, not mine.
I have never been buzzed or drunk in my life!
But, I have had 2 drinks at a setting.

Kathr4453, your favorite person in the Bible: Paul
States somewhere in his Letters (You know where I am sure)telling someone to drink alittle wine for his stomach.
Common sense is needed here. If you are short and weigh 95 lbs. 4oz may do.
But, if a man, very tall and weigh 300lbs. I am sure he can handle 12 ounces.
The 4 oz may not be enough to reach his throat. Vessels underneath the tongue soaked it up already!

Timothy 3:3 He must not be addicted to drink.
Addicted. Not do not take a drink.
Gluttony is a sin.
So, why do you eat?
Are you not afraid you might overeat?
---Nicole on 8/14/08


Scripture says to take a little wine for thy stomachs sake & that is ALL it says. Such people in religion like catholocism with some of her offsprings thinking they can drink get drunk,smoke,curse,swear,steal,
adultry,fornication etc then go to an priest & ask forgiveness & then they do it All over again,return to the priest to ask for-giveness again,they are in for A RUDE Awakening. It does NOT work that way. You go to God & Only Him to ask forgiveness, & then you canNot keep doing such things. God is A Strict God.
Larry.
---Lawrence on 8/14/08


according to me its not good to drink let alone taste alcohol.i once tried to drink alittle alcohol while still being a christian and i found myself being bound to addiction again,i had to pray God to save me again.
---Andrew on 8/14/08


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The bible says in 1 Timothy to drink no longer water but a little wine for your health.But this is purely medicinal purposes.The bible also says clearly in many places nit to be a drunkard.And there is alternatives to health promotion.Eating healthy,exercise,taking vitamins,just to name a few.If a person can truly stick to one glass of wine or one beer,they are in the right.But if one leads to another,than it is sin.
---Irene on 8/14/08


Drinking depends with ones' faith.As for me i can advise to restrain from alcohol completly.It starts slowly by slowly$at long
last you become addicted hence difficult to stop.As for me i doesnt at all.Nyc time$ thenks for writting to me keep in touch.
---penin4958 on 8/14/08


I think when you drink you have to be drunk and no way you can prevent that.
---mary on 8/14/08


the consumption of alcohol(wine) has existed since ancient times, but rules governing behavior also defined its usage.
Consuming one moderate drink poses no danger, but one should limit such consumption to that and no more. Intoxication is indicative of irresponsible behavior.
---marta6656 on 8/14/08


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>>so whoever believes they can drink at still get to heaven is being greatly deceived<<

Was Jesus deceived? Is he in heaven?
---obewan on 8/14/08


the Bible plainly says to "be of a sober mind", and you can't remain sober if you are drinking, whether it be one drink or 10, the Bible also states to "come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord", how can we be separate from the world if we keep doing the same things they do? the answer is WE CAN'T, so whoever believes they can drink at still get to heaven is being greatly deceived
---Anthony on 8/14/08


no its not to drink at all.
---darren on 8/14/08


****Is it okay to drink alcohol moderately without getting drunk?****

Is drunkenness measured by the modern measurement of breathing into a breathalyzer to register your alcohol level?

Is there any scripture giving us a chart, as to where one is over the limit?

The question should be...why do you drink alcohol to begin with?

Because you LIKE getting that little buzz?

God looks at the heart, not a breathalyzer test!
---kathr4453 on 8/14/08


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Rebecca, "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging if anyone be deceived, they are not wise". Reference the Old and New Testaments, God's displeasure for drinking. After Noah's sons discovered wine and got drunk, there was no more reference to them, 2ndly, when a new prophet is referred to, often it is said, "he is not given to strong drink". If drunkenness is a major obstacle to a believer, why is there so much defensive posturing for alcohol. Alcohol alters the the mind. Isn't that why people drink. Wouldn't another drink be just as satisfying? Lets not kid ourselves. Drink no drink that can cause a person to stumble. And, woe to them who put wine to their neighbor's lips. Do you think God has a message?
---Robert on 8/13/08


Drinking alcohol will not send you to hell. The only thing that will send a person to hell is rejecting Jesus Christ. Drinking alcohol is between you and the Lord only. It isn't anyone else's business what you do. If you don't feel condmned by the Lord to drink alcohol then that is fine...If you listen to people you will be and stay confused. The best way to handle this is, ask God and he shall lead you into the truth.
---Rebecca_D on 8/12/08

Amen through and through!
---Nicole on 8/13/08


Drinking alcohol will not send you to hell. The only thing that will send a person to hell is rejecting Jesus Christ. Drinking alcohol is between you and the Lord only. It isn't anyone else's business what you do. If you don't feel condmned by the Lord to drink alcohol then that is fine. But if you do feel condomned and you still continue to drink even if it is moderation, it is wrong. It is wrong for me to drink alcohol. When I first came born again, I no longer had the desire to drink, God took that desire away from me and gave me a new desire to serve him. If you listen to people you will be and stay confused. The best way to handle this is, ask God and he shall lead you into the truth.
---Rebecca_D on 8/12/08


"" wine in those days was very diluted..it is totally different.--stan

Different alright. They had the stronger wine than us. As evident by Lot's 2 daughters. Genesis 19:31-36,""

Not true. Unfortified wine is ALWAYS 10-12% alcohol--20-24 proof--when the ethyl alcohol kills the yeast, stopping fermentation.

It's a perfectly natural process. Without refrigeration, pasteurization, or preservatives, fresh grape juice will do one of two things: become wine or become vinegar.

It is true that in Jesus's day, a LITTLE water was mingled with wine as an act of temperance.

Those of you who pride yourselves on your abstinence should reflect that the devil never drinks at all--yet he's still the devil.
---katavasia on 8/11/08


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Someone said that they were drinking the "fruit of the vine," and that was pure, but others fermented the juice, and it led them to sin. Question: what do you get when you squeeze a grape? Answer: Wine! The natural yeasts that live on the skin of the grape and float around in the air begin fermentation instantly, as soon as yeast meets juice. Then the alcohol kills the yeast at 10-12%. My doctor has instructed me to drink a glass of red wine each night before I go to bed. I am still looking for one that I like. BTW, it cannot be the non-alcoholic wine. It must be the real stuff.
---Ursine on 8/11/08


The whole alcohol issue isn't with wine. Most people drink 2 or 3 glasses during a night and they are fine the next morning. The problem exists with beer and liquors where they are consumed at an incredible rate and people become drunk after drinking them. Once drunk, Satan runs rampant and they commit every sin imaginable. Jesus said except ye repent, ye shall NOT enter the kingdom of God. If your inhibitions are reduced, your chances of commiting adultery, fornication, murder, theft, etc increase dramatically. Let me ask a question. Who is saved? A person who gets drunk every day and sins constantly without remorse, or the person that tries hard to follow the Savior every day without alcohol.
---ashley on 8/8/08


2- The answer to my question is the person who tries hard to follow the Savior by example without using alcohol. Why, they are aware of the temptings of Satan and can avoid them without commiting the sin. An intoxicated person under the influence will give in through lowered inhibitions. The Savior will forgive the person who truly repents, not the person who does it every day for life. That is not repentence and the atonement means nothing to them because Satan seals them his. Remember one fact. Alcohol is the number two killer in North America behind tobacco products. For every million people affected by tobacco, ten million are affected through alcohol. Smoking hurts the individual. Alcohol destroys whole families in a heartbeat.
---ashley on 8/8/08


wine in those days was very diluted..it is totally different.--stan

Different alright. They had the stronger wine than us. As evident by Lot's 2 daughters. Genesis 19:31-36,

The older one said to the younger: "Our father is getting old, and there is not a man on earth to unite us as was the custm everywhere. Come let us ply our father with WINE, and then lie with him that we may have offspring by our father."..he was not aware of her lying down or her getting up.

Now, that slap silly drunk!

I don't know about the rest of you all, but I seen some drunk people. They may be mistaken about beauty, but identity?

I have seen my father drunk, in his younger days. But, he always knew who I was. His daughter!
---Nicole on 8/8/08


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>>the wine in those days was very diluted<<

While that may be true, the key lies in the consumption. It was possible to be drunk on 'biblical' wine, hence warnings. If the limit then was three or five glasses, the limit today at one or two would accomplish the same thing.

At my church, I am more concerned about overeating. I have been at church events where people consumed just one glass of wine with no problems. At those same events, were overweight people (250lbs or more)who consumed several plates of potluck food (fried chicken) and three slices of pie.

I am more concerned about heart disease than drinking wine issues. One glass of wine is actually good for the heart because it keeps cholesterol out of the arteries
---obewan on 8/8/08


Let me ask you this. if you buy a bottle of wine, do you look for a wine that says non alcoholic, or do you look for one that says fermented from 10-40 percent alcohol per volume? I buy non-alcholic wine and it is perfect with dinner or entertaining guests. Man said you have to drink alcoholic beverages to distort the brain into drunkeness. There are millions of Christians that drink beer, wine, liquors, get drunk and then commit every sin imaginable. I agree that fermentation is different now than 2000 years ago. Back then, wine was known as the fruit of the vine. many drank it pure and without making it alcoholic. Others chose to ferment it so they became drunk. Jesus chastized them severely. An intoxicated mind is an enemy to God.
---ashley on 8/7/08


Hi...many Christians struggle with this question. The bible speaks clearly about what wine (alcohol) does to the mind and body and every description...Gen 9:21-24, and Proverbs 20:1...is a problem for man.

One problem with man is that a little is usually not enough and there may be an addiction without even realizing it.

Another point, the wine in those days was very diluted compared to our processing of wine today...it is totally different.

The final reason is that a Christian should be concerned about other Christians who do not drink and the setting of an example for them also.
Hope that helps.
---stan on 8/7/08


Sometimes churches overreact to alcohol. I used to attend one that tried to teach that the wine in the Bible was only grape juice. That teaching was a distortion of scripture, because the same words are used to tell us to be not drunk.

When was the last time you got drunk on grape juice? Water to wine was the first miracle, and we can never take it down. For sure, Jesus drank wine.

On the other hand, we are told to not be a stumbling block to others who are weaker. So, I suppose abstinence is a good policy. Better to be safe than sorry.

I do on occasion enjoy just one glass of wine with a good meal alone at home. I no longer feel guilt for taking just one drink.
---obewan on 8/7/08


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Good Morning Pam,
That is a difficult question to answer. Alcohol affects people in different ways. For some moderation leads to drunkeness because of their tolerance level. Others can drink in moderation and not be affected. Scripture does not out right forbid it for Christians but there are references that warn against the dangers of drinking and or drunkeness. See Eph. 5:18, Prov. 20:1 Prov. 23:29-35 and 1 Cor. 8:9-13, Titus 2:2-3.
Hope this helps
---pg1 on 8/7/08


"Is it okay to drink alcohol moderately without getting drunk?" Yes, However
"Woe [unto them that are] mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink" for "Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging: and whosoever is deceived thereby is not wise.
It is not for kings.. to drink wine or princes strong drink. Lest they drink, and forget the law, and pervert the judgement of any of the afflicted.
Yet it is acceptable to "Give strong drink to them that are ready to perish, and wine unto those that be of a heavy heart. Let him drink, and forget his poverty, and remember his misery no more."
Remember, whatever is not of faith, is sin. Moderation in all things, is fruit of the Spirit.
---josef on 8/7/08


Alcohol will NOT defile you. It is what comes from the heart that can defile you if you don't control "the tongue" (speech).

No natural substance that God made can defile (except hallucinogens if deliberate). As long as you retain control of your senses, there is nothing wrong with alcohol. If you do not develop a "party spirit" (foolish, silly, careless, etc.), alcohol in moderation may be the best way to deal with ongoing stress (stress can be detrimental to everyone around you, and it can wreak havoc on your health too).

As long as you keep it IN MODERATION and retain FULL CONTROL of your senses (avoiding "PARTY SPIRIT"), there is no problem spiritually.
---more_excellent_way on 8/7/08


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