Do you understand that if you are a born again believer you are grafted into Israel, Ephesians 2?
---Carolyn_Raham on 10/14/15
I understand you've stated a falsehood, unaware, not knowing what you are preaching, teaching. Verses on teaching, as well you seem to ignore.
The graft is of the same tree, Israel. The house/stick you are unaware of.
This graff is speaking of the "wild" scattered, dispersed, divorced house of ten. The North House of Israel. To Judah Levi/Benjamin...the South House. This is the grafting.
The New Covenant makes it visible. Heb 8:8/Jer 31:31.
---Trav on 10/16/15|
Do you understand that if you are a born again believer you are grafted into Israel, Ephesians 2?
True believing Israel----many Jews are coming to believe Jesus is Messiah. True Israel includes Jewish believers who continue to keep the Sabbaths and the Feasts of the Lord (the early "Christians" did the same) and Christian believers who are grafted in today. Jesus said He wants us all to be one, but today?...He said very clearly in Matthew 5:17+ that the Torah,law, will not pass away until all is fulfilled. Fulfilled does not mean "done away with."
---Carolyn_Raham on 10/14/15|
I have found that Kay Arthur doesn't say anything that isn't backed up by scripture.
I have never heard her claim to be a prophet.With the way that the question is asked,it looks like someone has twisted her words.
If people know their Bible,there will be famine in the last days.I believe that the U.S.will not be exempt from it.I see things happening that are moving toward that.
---jamie on 3/9/11|
What Kay Arthur said in a conference last year regarding famine in America was not a prophetic word. The question you are posing is based upon an email that has gotten out of control. We need to remember to exercise self-control when things like this cross our paths. Self-control is a fruit of the Holy Spirit. Go to the website for the ministry founded by Kay Arthur and her husband, Precept Ministries International. You can find it using any search engine. She addresses this issue there and sets it straight in a mature, discerning manner. Biblical truth is always important. Christ is the Truth and He came to set us free.
---Hey_Mom on 7/26/09|
doomsayer prophecies are so many. i dont usually consider it "of God" unless it follows up with how to survive whatever bad thing it proclaims.
---opalgal on 11/15/08|
Greetings! Such is written regarding the Body of Believers in God in the Throne Room whereby among the time periods there is a time for the black horse with the scales. For surely the people would be weighed in the balances through the patience and endurance unto faithfullness found in Christ Jesus our Lord.
---jack_david on 10/27/08|
No. I think God shall supply all my need through His riches in Glory by Christ Jesus.
---jean8697 on 10/27/08|
Laura, many today use 2 Chronicles 7:14 stating it is a word from God too.
People are using OT warnings and trying to apply them to the NT Church in hopes to ignite revival. 2 Timothy 3 and the warning to the last Church Laodicea say otherwise.
This false Shakinah Glory is as counterfeit as the aparitions of Mary. Yet they say it is coming with revival.
Calling MY People the Church, and stating they are the wicked and evil ones who must turn from THEIR wicked ways before God will heal the land is so off the wall...yet look at those who believe this. It is a curse against Christ and the True Church...it's anti-Christ.
---kathr4453 on 10/27/08|
I would like to find out for sure if this is really something she said. Is it truth or fact that she really did state this. Prophecy is a part of God's word. He gives this gift to some. If she really did give these words, than we had better take heed.
---Laura on 10/27/08|
***Is it silly? You wouldn't call Jesus "Joe," would you? ***
Is Joe another way of spelling Jesus?
I've known people for years who still spell my name wrong. It's a name that has many many spellings:
Etc, etc, and you know what, I never make an issue over it. Now if they actually forgot my name and called me Karen .....then yes, I would just chalk it up to a senior moment....because I have them all the time. At least we still can remember ( most things anyway) !!
AGAIN, please accept my apology!
---kathr4453 on 10/3/08|
kathr4453: "Steveng, we simply disagree on the subject. To make a federal case out of misspelling your name and accusing of some sort of Freudian slip subconsciously changing Biblical Truth is really silly now!"
Is it silly? You wouldn't call Jesus "Joe," would you? I had to check the entire post to see if there was a Stepheng. My name was to closest it came so I assumed you were addressing me. The same thing happened when someone called me Steve and there wan't anyone on the blog called Steve except for Steveng which came closest.
That's why it is not silly if you were addressing a certian person.
---Steveng on 10/1/08|
***You are a rebel, consciously or subconsciously, by changing biblical knowledge with worldly knowledge as you do with the spelling of my name.***
Steveng, so sorry about misspelling your name. Nothing subconscious here to make your name or you look worldly.
Actually "Stephen" in the Bible wasn't worldly at all!
Steveng, we simply disagree on the subject. To make a federal case out of misspelling your name and accusing of some sort of Freudian slip subconsciously changing Biblical Truth is really silly now!
---kathr4453 on 9/30/08|
"The letters by Paul, John and others were simply private letters sent to private individuals, not books..."
There is biblical evidence that would lead one to conclude otherwise. Not simply private letters written to individuals, the epistles were meant to be read publicly. In Colossians 4:16, Paul instructs the recipients of his letter to share his message with the church of the Laodiceans : 'Now when this epistle is read among you, see that it is read also in the church of the Laodiceans, and that you likewise read the epistle from Laodicea.'
"so when john wrote about changing anything in this book, he means only Revelation."
So any of the other books of the Bible are up for grabs?
---Bobby3 on 9/29/08|
kathr4453: "Stepheng, ..."
Here's a little piece of the Kathr4453 personality puzzle. You are a rebel, consciously or subconsciously, by changing biblical knowledge with worldly knowledge as you do with the spelling of my name. Somewhere in your heart you change something that is plainly written in black and white.
---Steveng on 9/26/08|
Kay Arthur -Lord, Heal My Hurts - encourages readers to dredge-up "feelings of hurts,unmet needs,rejection,wounds, horrors,emotional scars,destructive traumas,emotional abuse,disappointments, depression from the unseen past, to lay a foundation for the healing process.
Kay doesnt believe the old man,the old Adam,is to be reckoned dead Rom. 6
She denies the efficacy of the cross by insisting we first need to heal the wounds of the old self. "Past-mapping" is Freudian not Biblical.
Paul said FORGET those things behind and press on!!!!
Healing comes when we walk in the Spirit as a NEW CREATION. Old things pass away, and ALL things DO become NEW!
---kathr4453 on 9/26/08|
The problem today is Replacement/Dominion Theology, and Kay along with many Calvinists have turned to this teaching.
Kay also teaches Grace AND law co-mingling..as does all replacement/dominion theologians
Anytime someone wants to take what belongs to Israel and apply it to America as God's NEW Chosen people and America as being God's New promise land as James Kennedy falsely teaches along with Kay are false and misleading teachers.
How arrogant of America to think so highly of herself to assume such things.
Again, WE are not a Theocracy as was Israel, and salvation is extended to individuals not nations. Nations as a whole are not saved and baptized into the Body of Christ.
---kathr4453 on 9/25/08|
Again, kathr4453, excellent response!
Ezekiel specifically refers to the judgment against Israel. This is no direct mention of America in Ezekiel (nor anywhere else in the Bible).
---Bobby3 on 9/25/08|
Kathr, of course America is not in EZ. I didn't mean it was. What she quotes are someone else's prophecies, was my intend. That she was not making a new prophecy herself. I don't know Kay very well myself, but have read what she had to say about many matters, and what I read was correct since I check what those people say when I see them or read what they wrote. Have you any information to doubt her sincerity? Or her contradictions from Scripture? If you do, be my guest and put them down, it is important that we trust in some people too. I know many speakers are real bad, but also know some are doing very good. Just for my information.
---MarkV. on 9/25/08|
****Kay Arthur was quoting what was already predicted in Ez. Many look for means to discredit others, all she did was quote Scripture.****
MarkV, there is nothing in Ezekiel that speaks of the USA or America. As a matter of fact no one can actually find AMERICA in Scripture.
God does not single out individual gentile nations and remove His Holy Spirit from them in NT Times...OR that during the Great Tribulation.
For America to go through Spiritual, famine, the Body of Christ would have to disappear in America... no way around it...it's false doctrine, PERIOD, and Kay is taking Ezekiel out of Context, as many who are called verse snatchers do today! WRONGLY dividing the word of truth!
---kathr4453 on 9/24/08|
Stepheng, God has given us everything we need for our salvation.
The GIFT of Prophecy given in the NT to the Church is a re-emphasis of what is already written and delivered to the Saints.
The problem with extra-biblical babel today, would be like Joseph Smith who claimed to be given ANOTHER Gospel. Paul calls this accursed Gospels. Man or angel driven. God's word does not change. and neither does God...the same yesterday today and tomorrow.
Extra-biblical babel leads directly to false doctrine.....and will be found out and uncovered...just as Kay's so called prophecy interfers with other sound doctrine, making her's a farce!
---kathr4453 on 9/24/08|
kathr4453: "Scripture is COMPLETE Genesis to Revelation..and nothing need be added or taken away." Part One:
Not so. There is still lots to learn from God himself that isn't in the Bible. God says so himself. When John wrote Revelation, the bible didn't exist. The letters by Paul, John and others were simply private letters sent to private individuals, not books. Only when the Bible as we know it today came into being three hundred years latter the letters became books. The gosples of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were personal journals (or diaries). so when john wrote about changing anything in this book, he means only Revelation.
---Steveng on 9/23/08|
kathr4453: "Scripture is COMPLETE ... nothing need be added or taken away." Part Two:
Again, not so. Satan knows the Bible as we know it today. He knows the Bible by heart (more than I can say about most Christians). He will twist bible verses, as he did with Jesus and to Eve, to turn Christians away from God. And so far most Christians have been deceived by following the all denominations (created by Satan and set up by man) to make man believe that denominations are of God. There are things/mysteries not specifically found in the Bible (but are guided by the principles of the Bible) that God will personally reveal to certain Christians so Satan won't know what's going on - at least for a short period of time.
---Steveng on 9/23/08|
"Scripture is COMPLETE Genesis to Revelation..and nothing need be added or taken away. It's all there. Have any BOOKS been added to the Bible since Revelation? Do they need to be? Should they be?"
And the warning at the end of Revelation couldn't be clearer: 'For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book.' (22:18)
---Bobby3 on 9/23/08|
When a person, "gives a prophesy, he is predicting by divine guideness."
Like the priest, the prophet represented God to the people and constituted a characteristic feature of early Hebrew society. Because of the ever present threat of the false prophet and the pagan counterpart, the diviner (Deut. 18:20-22), constant viliance had to be exercised against the incursion of false religion and demon-energized paganism with its threat of occult supernaturalism (Deut. 18:9-14). A true prophet is someone that is Godly inspired. Kay Arthur was quoting what was already predicted in Ez. Many look for means to discredit others, all she did was quote Scripture.
---MarkV. on 9/23/08|
1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ,which God gave unto him,to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass,Who bare record of the word of God,and of the testimony of Jesus Christ,and of all things that he saw.
How many like John can profess being carried up and shown things to come...conversing with Angels no less.
Scripture is COMPLETE Genesis to Revelation..and nothing need be added or taken away. It's all there.
Have any BOOKS been added to the Bible since Revelation? Do they need to be? Should they be?
According to Revelation..it's an absolute NO NO!!!!
Just an FYI, the study of Covenant by Precept Ministries..Kay Arthur,was withdrawn due to inaccuracies and many complaints.
---kathr4453 on 9/22/08|
Interesting since today it seems as though Prophets are based on book sales and popularity. Anyone else no one knows would be put in a mental institution...our modern day prison.
Exactly how rich was Jonah or Jeremiah? And Jeremiah warned for over 18 years....HATED by his brethren...put in prison...and was let out by the Gentile King who said......Jeremiah was the only one telling the truth.
Do you know too...Jonah never asked anyone to REPENT. He preached destruction...and however temporary....400 some years later Nineveh WAS destroyed.
Doesn't scripture already tell us that Gentile Arrogance will come to an end....
Individuals repent.....Jesus didn't come to save Nations but souls.....one at a time.
---kathr4453 on 9/19/08|
It's very apparent that no one on these blogs know the true job description of a prophet. Prophesy is only a small part of what they do.
As for the blog question, read the story of Jonah were God orders Jonah to visit the city of Nineveh and prophesy to its inhabitants. He walks through the city crying, "In forty days Nineveh shall be destroyed." The Ninevites believe his word and repented. God had compassion and spared the city.
This can happen to any country, even America. Unfortunately, America does have prophets (these prophets do not charge for their services), but no one is listening - even most Christians.
---Steveng on 9/17/08|
Interesting...suffer Spiritual Famine????
The Holy Spirit is in the believer...the Body of Christ. WE His Church on earth maintain the Spiritual as His body. The Body would have to disappear altoghther or the Holy Spirit within the believer disappear to starve out His indwelling, and His work on earth. God does not single out any gentile nation to withdraw Himself.((unless you believe you are Israel all over again, consider yourself "my people to turn from your wicked ways"....The Church is NOT wicked ,never will be...that's another problem with replacement theology))) As long as His Church is here on earth,
we WILL suffer Persecution...which we know brings LIFE not famine.
---kathr4453 on 9/8/08|
I'm very leary about people who say they've heard the voice of God telling them things!
To say that America will suffer famine & destruction ISN'T a far stretch from what the word of God say's about nation like America, So it being prophetic is a FAR stretch!
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/7/08|
Anyone that has to be prophesied to so they can know the condition of this country is blind. This country has forsaken God, it murders babies, it has given sodomites power and every evil that is against God. This country was founded on the belief of God being over it. the nation that forgets God will be turned into hell.
---exzucuh on 9/7/08|
George Washington said: it is impossible to
rightly govern this nation without God and the Bible.
The two enemies of the people are criminals and government, so let us tie the second down with the chains of the constitution so the second will not become the legalized version of the first.-Thomas Jefferson
"God... has formed us moral agents... that we may promote the happiness of those with whom He has placed us in society
---exzucuh on 9/7/08|
Paul fortold of the day when the fulness of the Gentiles would be brought in, and at the end of this God will turn to Israel. That day is soon here.
PAUL also told us in 2nd Timothy 3 that in the last days there would be terrible apostasy and spiritual decline.
I believe during these last days as we are approaching, we have already been told what to expect, and for Christians not to be alarmed when we see it. We have PEACE in Christ.
We are also told in Rvelation when the two witnesses are here, NO ONE REPENTS, but a small remnant, only because of an earthquake first, but all send presents to one another that GOD'S Prophets are dead.
Just read the Bible!
---kathr4453 on 9/6/08|
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I agree with the previous statement.Things grow worse and worse.Some even in the USA are now hungry.
---shirley on 9/5/08|
I have read warnings of this for a couple of years in many websites (religious, financial, conspiracy sites etc). It seems to be part of the plan for the NWO. They mean to reduce the world population and also to bring in a new form of currency. Marial Law may also be brought in. The only uncertainty seems to be the way it will be done. People have got to the point where they are now studying up on survival in the wild, what plants are edible etc. Also, there is concern about the RFID microchip. If we are Christians we will have to manage without money some time.
---frances008 on 9/5/08|
I am reminded of the 7 good years followed by the 7 lean.
We've had many years of strong economy, but in this country at least, the government (a socialist one) has spent all the accumulated reserves bequeathed to it by the previous government, and has even spent what it expected to earn in the next two years.
They obviously did not read about Joseph!
---alan_of_UK on 9/5/08|
Kay Arthur Prophecy
Hand you heard about the big controversy concerning a prophecy given by Kay Arthur? It has to do with America suffering a famine. And the famine will be both physical and spiritual. Physical famine in my mind means hunger(starvation). What do you think?
Moderator - Was it a prophecy or a prediction?
Mima, if she stated that America is suffering from famine, she copied Mother Theresa.
Mother Theresa said America is in a Spiritual famine 25 years ago.
---Nicole on 9/5/08|
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A prophecy has a two prong meaning: it is both FORTHtelling and FOREtelling. In the OT if a prophecy was false, they would kill the person who made the prophecy. My first question would be, "Where is the forthtelling". It may just be an insight was to what she thinks lies ahead because of what has happed in the past. This wouldn't be prophecy, but a warning of what could happpen if changes aren't made.
---wivv on 9/3/08|
"" (Amos 8:11-12)""
This was fulfilled at the Crucifixion and Death of our Lord, God, and Saviour Jesus Christ.
---katavasia on 8/29/08|
"'Behold, the days are coming,' says the Lord GOD,
'That I will send a famine on the land,
Not a famine of bread,
Nor a thirst for water,
But of hearing the words of the LORD.
They shall wander from sea to sea,
And from north to east,
They shall run to and fro, seeking the word of the LORD,
But shall not find it.'" (Amos 8:11-12)
---Bill_bila5659 on 8/28/08|
American Christians think they are not going to suffer the famines that other countries suffer. The Bible does not say the famines are isolated in African nations.
---SusieB on 8/28/08|
I found the teaching,message,and thats all it was,by Kay Arthur and read it for myself and it was no Prophecy. It was as some have said based on Ezekiel 14. It is simply a message telling America to turn from its wicked ways or suffer the wrath of God based on what God has said in the Bible. There is also a call to unite in prayer for America. This is a time we should be praying anyway with the Election coming up. The famine isn't this year for there was bumper crops in some crops. A famine may well be induced by the use of food crops to make fuel,its already raising the prices on some food. It can also make a shortage in those crops.
---Darlene_1 on 8/28/08|
To---Trish9863 and ---SusieB
I appreciate your input on this matter.
And I must say that my information is third handed still I know something of prophecy, and prophecy comes out of people's mouths when they themselves do not have any idea of where the idea or statement came from. Knowledge of this of course makes us examine all prophecy as to where it is from. Now the fact that Kay Arthur is referring to the Bible and readings in it influence me to believe that it was from God. Also here's another interesting note, it is my understanding that Kay Arthur a seasoned knowledgeable speaker had trouble with her emotions while delivering this message. I ask, what does this indicate to you? Many Baptist are scared away by such talk.
---mima on 8/28/08|
If you want to know what Kay Arthur has to say you can attend one of her seminars. The next one is in Vegas in September and it only costs $75 per person.
---SusieB on 8/28/08|
Mima: Beth Moore DID NOT send out the e-mail to which you refer. She denies sending it and has no idea how her name became attributed to it.
Kay Arthur DOES NOT claim to have had a prophecy. She preached the Word from Ezekial. Period.
I did some research on this.
---Trish9863 on 8/27/08|
That makes more sense as I would not have seen Kay as having a prophecy, but a prediction based upon the facts before her.
The church has and is currently in a spiritual depression and the economy is in a recession that will last about 18 months ie a longer than normal recession. Yes, things are not that bright, however true Christians now have the opportunity to really shine for Christ in a dark and dying world.
---Moderator on 8/27/08|
I've never even heard of Kay Arthur.
---katavasia on 8/27/08|
If you read the Bible, you won't need someone telling you what is going to happen in the end times. Just lump her in the same category as those who prophecied that Y2K would bring the same thing to America. It didn't happen. But, people are still listening to all those false prophets who got on the Y2K bandwagon. Read your Bible! Stop listening to all these so-called prophets.
---SusieB on 8/27/08|
I dont know what to think about that but I hear about food shortage and that tells me that Jesus is coming soon so I hope you are ready
come Lord Jesus
---barry on 8/27/08|
I believe a prophecy IS to predict.But a prophecy is something concerning The action or event of divine inspiration of God. A prediction IMHO is to foretell an event based on intuition or reasonable deduction.
---MIC on 8/27/08|
Kay Arthur was the speaker at a woman's conference attended by 20,000 people in Atlanta, Georgia about a month ago. From her talk a fellow speaker(Beth Moore) sent a e-mail describing what she thought was a revelation to Kay Arthur about America's spiritual condition. But Kay Arthur denies she had a revelation. She denies that she said that famine would be physical and spiritual. She goes on to quote exactly what she said," we(America) are set for a famine". And she'd use many verses in Ezekiel that we should read. For example all of Ezekiel 14. I would say it was a prophecy but because of Kay Arthur's religious affiliation(definitely non-charismatic) I do not believe King Arthur will call it a prophecy.
---Mima on 8/27/08|