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For Many Are Called

What does "For many are called, but few are chosen" mean?
Does it mean that many are called, but only a few, depending on their response, are chosen?

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Why don't you make up your mind? Here you have the truth, (believe in Christ) before regeneration. On the other, you have Regeneration in order to have faith to be saved.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09

Miche NEVER said you must be BORN AGAIN FIRST to be saved. YOU'RE twisting her words!!!

We are SAVED By his Risen Life. It's HIS life in us...that has QUICKENED us...regeneration/Born Again. Jesus does not give LIFE to anyone before they are justified.

Regeneration is your BORN AGAIN experience.

No one is regenerated FIRST before being Justified. No one is Justified first before repenting and receiving God's Mercy and Pardon. It's Justification in His Blood first that results in eternal life.
---kathr4453 on 11/13/09


Markv,
Regeneration IS born Again.
Can you be born again out of your mother's womb?
NO
You must be born to the Spirit.
How does that Happen Markv?
By Repenting and Believing CHRIST!
Know ye not the your are the temple of the Holy Ghost?! 1 Corinthians 3
Again, the Holy Ghost WILL NOT DWELL IN A DIRTY TEMPLE! YOU MUST BE WASHED IN THE BLOOD OF CHRIST FIRST!
What is washed in his blood mean? TO BE SAVED!
Acts 16
30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Markv, you have salvation confused!
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


Jesus has known the Children "the Father has given me" since before time began. Bible says that there some formed for perdition even though God wishes "all to be saved". In Revelation, John looked up and saw a number of saints that "no man could count". This tells me that we need not worry about the matter. Just "workout salvation with fear and trembling" Sincere faith in Jesus Christ and His resurrection will save you. Obviously if you really believe in Him, fruits and good works will follow but these will not save you. I don't find grace to be cheap in my life. I have been harshly disciplined by God a number of times and praise Him for that bc it has caused me to grow in relationship to Him.
---jody on 11/13/09


Markv, it is faith that causes regeneration NOT regeneration that cause faith.
Faith = Believe.
If you have the faith of a mustard seed God will increase it AFTER his spirit is in you.
Faith = Believe = size of a mustard seed.
God already poured out his Spirit on ALL flesh so all flesh already has access if they will just believe.
---g on 11/13/09


Miohe, here is what you said,

"That You must be born again! to be saved" on another blog.

Here you say,

"Markv, regeneration does not happen until you accept the truth from GOD."

Why don't you make up your mind? Here you have the truth, (believe in Christ) before regeneration. On the other, you have Regeneration in order to have faith to be saved.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09




The word of the Lord,

"Whosoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God " 1 John 2:1.

The passage is not a parable, metaphor, allegory, symbol, but is an explicit statement. It does not say that if you believe that Jesus is the Christ you will be born of God. It says that if you believe that Jesus is the Christ, you are born of God.
you cannot believe unless you are born of God. Only True believers are born of God. Only those born of God believe. All others are unbelievers, that is why they care called unbelievers.
---MarkV. on 11/13/09


"....but the unregenerate pushes it off. "

THIS is Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit!

God poured out his Spirit on ALL FLESH, openin the door to "whosoever will".
When the Gospel is preached to sinners, they will do one of 2 things- receive the truth and be saved OR commit Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit BY rejecting the truth.

Markv, regeneration does not happen until you accept the truth from GOD.
You can't receive the HS into you until you accept God's truth. Until then, the HS will continue to convict a sinner of their sin.
STOP TELLING PEOPLE THEY HAVE TO BE CHOSEN BEFORE THEY ARE EVEN BORN IN THEIR FLESH TO BE SAVED!
---miche3754 on 11/13/09


The born again Christain welcomes the Gospel in his heart, but the unregenerate pushes it off. "We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us, he that is not of God heareth not, by this we know the Spirit of Truth, and the Spirit of error" 1 John 4:6 Only those who are born again can hear the gospel and believe it, the others heareth not. The Spirit of truth reveals it to him, (the Gospel). The regenerate (born again) person instinctively recognizes God as his Father, "We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we love the brethren"
"Whosover believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God" 1 John 2:1. It does not say will be born again, but is born of God.
---MarkV. on 11/12/09


John 3:3 Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Ephesians 1:4,5 He chose us in Him and predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ. 2 Thessalonians 2:13 God has chosen you from the beginning for salvation. Acts 13:48 and as many as had been appointed to eternal life believed. John the Baptist, Jesus, the disciples, and pastors/teachers have been calling many and many still come forth at altar calls today, but the ones truly born again are the ones who become the chosen and the elect.
---Bob on 11/12/09


Hebrews 10:10

By the which will we are SANCTIFIED through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Kathr, if I was there I would kiss you for that one! :D
---JackB on 11/11/09




That is interesting about the Son of Perdition.
Since he was one of the original 12 chosen. I read the Genesis verse. Thanks
---Pastor_Jim on 11/11/09

We all have em....bad days.
Be blessed in your search where ever you go.
---Trav on 11/11/09


Sorry Trav, my response was harsh. (Bad day). That is interesting about the Son of Perdition. Since he was one of the original 12 chosen. I read the Genesis verse. Thanks
---Pastor_Jim on 11/11/09


They speak of their own actions with their own free will and turn around and contradict what they argue. -markv

Because you have confused what we have said.
Joel and Acts plainly say that the Holy Spirit was poured out on ALL FLESH. God gave access to him through Christ for all.
God fulfilled his promise. God says "I have done this for you(grace). Now, all you have to do is believe me and abide in me". God says "Put down your own will (self willed), and pick up MY WILL".
That is freewill, Markv, that you just don't understand that God came to save man all man. If some aren't saved it won't be because God didn't do his part. It will be because man didn't do what God asked.
---miche3754 on 11/11/09


"God chooses" the base, despised, the absolute nothing of a person, so that no flesh will glory in His site, but let him who Glories, GLORY IN THE LORD!"

What a great passage that gives glory to God along. Everyday I speak on behalf of God's glory but these same people argue "they chose" Christ with their free will. They speak of their own actions with their own free will and turn around and contradict what they argue.
When I mention to them that is what they are saying, all hell comes down. What is it they don't understand? "Let him who glories, Glory in the Lord"
---MarkV. on 11/11/09


Thanks Trav,
That was not what I was talking about.
I obviously know about the 12 Apostles and the 12 tribes of Israel etc. I was refering to studying the relationship or imagery of Christ selecting 12 people out of 90 and if has corrolation to the veres "Many are called, ---Pastor_Jim on 11/11/09

Well of course. Guess it wasn't obvious enough that you did know. What's wrong with me. Duh. Knew better than to suggest. Just confirming again.
John 6:70
Jesus answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?

Now if one was a devil...you can eliminate 89 just to help a little if you're ever led.
Genesis 42:32
We be twelve brethren, sons of our father, one is not, ....
---Trav on 11/11/09


Thanks Trav,
That was not what I was talking about.
I obviously know about the 12 Apostles and the 12 tribes of Israel etc. I was refering to studying the relationship or imagery of Christ selecting 12 people out of 90 and if has corrolation to the veres "Many are called, but few are chosen" this was the topic of this blog. It would take me months to even years to put that all together if the Holy Spirit wants to teach that to me. I would have to research the OT, NT , Mishnah, Targuns, Both Talmuds, Aprocryphas. Pseudopigraphas, and many other writings to begin this endeavor.
---Pastor_Jim on 11/11/09


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He had about 90 Disciples, but chose only 12 to be Apostles.

It could be an interesting study. I haven't looked into is myself.
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/7/09

Wish you would. Marvelous thing for a pastor to accomplish these days...sincerely. Twelve disciples representative of all the nations of Israel that blind denom's seem to think evaporated. But, mysteriously show up again,again,again.

12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:


14And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
---Trav on 11/10/09


Donna kathr agreed with you, what a wonderful surprise.
---mary on 11/10/09


applying for a job? When I do that I present a resume' listing all my achievements. I try to convince the prospective employer that it is to HIS advantage to hire me.

When I came to Christ, I had NOTHING to recommend me. I was as wicked a sinner as there ever was. He had no reason to accept me, but His mercy and Grace. I turned myself over to Him, called Him Lord. I suppose you could call that "cheap" grace because I had nothing of value with which to pay. But it wasn't cheap fot HIM. It cost HIM EVERYTHING.
---Donna on 11/9/09

AMEN Donna! Now THAT's TRUTH!!!

God chooses the base, despised, the absolute nothing of a person, so that no flesh will glory in His site, but let him who Glories, GLORY IN THE LORD!
---kathr4453 on 11/10/09


Jim, GRACE is also Sanctification!!!

Acts 20:32
And now, brethren, I commend you to God, and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up, and to give you an inheritance among all them which are sanctified.

Hebrews 10:10
By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Hebrews 2:11
For both he that sanctifieth and they who are sanctified are all of one: for which cause he is not ashamed to call them brethren,

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Should I go on Jim, there is no such thing as SELF SANCTIFICATION!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/10/09


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Part 2 Please Print.

Jim, when I got saved I received the WHOLE package, not just salvation, but sanctification. It all comes with Calvary...We don't receive Jesus ala carte! Salvation is not a lay away plan...10% down. It's 100% total surrender!

When Paul addressed those in 1st Corinthians as being carnal, He first addressed them as SAINTS..YEP, a Saint is someone who is Sanctified/Holy/set apart for God.

It's God's responsibility to raise up a baby to a child to a mature adult. We don't APPLY for sanctification. It comes when we receive Jesus Christ in our lives. When we receive Jesus we receive not only His risen life, but His death as well, as we die to self.

Jesus prayed for our sanctification in John 17!!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/10/09


Matthew 13:41: "The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity,"
Matthew 13:45-46: "Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls: Who, when he had found one pearl of great price, went and sold all that he had, and bought it."
Matthew 1:21: "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins."
Alan,
To be accepted, one must have learned...
John 6:45
---Nana on 11/10/09


KATHR...

I WILL SAY IT THE 9TH TIME . I AM SPEAKING ABOUT SANTIFICATION WORKS/FRUITS AFTER GRACE(JUSTIFICATION). GRACE IS SALVATION.

Now as John said. if you do not care about Gods works for you, then as he said, you may not have been saved in the 1st placed. Since ALL true Christian delight in serving God and hate the world. The image of Christ.
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/9/09


applying for a job? When I do that I present a resume' listing all my achievements. I try to convince the prospective employer that it is to HIS advantage to hire me.

When I came to Christ, I had NOTHING to recommend me. I was as wicked a sinner as there ever was. He had no reason to accept me, but His mercy and Grace. I turned myself over to Him, called Him Lord. I suppose you could call that "cheap" grace because I had nothing of value with which to pay. But it wasn't cheap fot HIM. It cost HIM EVERYTHING.
---Donna on 11/9/09


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Its like appling for a job. Many are called, but few would qualify. If Grace is so cheap then it not worth your effort. So it is with Carnal Christians.
---Pastor_Jim on 11/8/09


Jim, You say God won't chose carnal CHRISTAINS. Choose for what? Salvation? So you are teaching what I told MarkV you are...self-righteousness. You don't believe one is saved at the moment one receives Christ? One has to PROVE himself first? MarkV beieves one is Born again first, having nothing to do with our self efforts.

The opposite of carnal is holy. So you say one has to make himself holy first before God can chose him and that is what qualifies him? I thought Jesus came to save sinners,you say he came for the (self)righteous.
---kathr4453 on 11/9/09


Rosalie 2 continue:
In the second case the imaginary represents those who identify with the kingdom external, profess to be Christians, belong to the church in a visible sense yet spurn the garment of righteousness Christ offers (Is. 61:10) by seeking to establish a righteousness of their own spiritual poverty, they refuse the better garment the king (God) graciously offers and thus are guilty of a horrible sin against His goodness. In the parable of the Marriage Feast, the king (God) says to the servants, to take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there will be weeping and grashing of teeth. For many are called but few are chosen" This parable is similar to the one found in Luke 14:16-23 the parable of the Great Supper.
---MarkV. on 11/8/09


It is clear that God makes the choice and not us. A concept for Carnal Christians do not accept. It may also be tied in with predestination. And it is Christ who is chosing, NOT US. Its like appling for a job. Many are called, but few would qualify. This ties in with those who cry Lord Lord and end up outside the door in the outer darkness. There are many called, be HE will chose. You don't "make a decision for Jesus" he is not on sale like some detergent. He makes a decision for you. So if "your heart is far from Me", and you just go through the motions expect a grave disappointment at Judgement Day. A by-product of Grace only teachings. If Grace is so cheap then it not worth your effort. So it is with Carnal Christians.
---Pastor_Jim on 11/8/09


Rosalie, you are right, the King first gave invitations and they refused to come, not only refused to come but killed the messengers. The king was furious and send His armies and distroyed them. Then he sent other servants and those other people did come, but refused to wear the garments provided by the king.
In the first case illustrates those who were invited who killed the messengers, those people brought God's wrath upon them, for what they have done, they were not worthy of God's salvation. The second case illustrates God's patience and forbearance with those who deliberately spurn Him. He continues to extend the invitation even after His goodness has been ignored.
---MarkV. on 11/8/09


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Chosen, Elect were just similar words. "Called" were those who hear the Gospel, and they think themselves or deceived themselves they are saved but actually not, because Salvation is by Grace of Election.

The example of this was the "Parable of Wedding Feast" Matthew 22. People were not responding to invitation...as people never want to hear the Word of God. Besides those who responded (think themselves they are save) went in...but they don't have wedding Garment. See Garment means...in the Bible no space????
---rosalie on 11/7/09


Interesting how Jesus gives us an example of this. Actually more of an image.

He had about 90 Disciples, but chose only 12 to be Apostles.

It could be an interesting study. I haven't looked into is myself.
---PASTOR_JIM on 11/7/09


Rod4him, thanks for your response. I believe Shawn T, is very capable of explaining topics, thats why I love his answers. Let me say something about Jesus. When He was present in His ministry He could have saved everyone who heard Him speak, for He was God, but His ministry was not for that purpose, it was for the long picture. His miracles were for Authentication that He was the Messiah. In Matthew 13:1-17, parables were a common form of teaching in Judaism. A parable is a long analogy, often cast in the form of a story. Before this point in Jesus ministry, Jesus had employed many graphic analogies (5:13-16) but their meaning was fairly clear in the context of His teachings.
---MarkV. on 11/5/09


Rod4him 2 continue:
Parables required more explanation (v. 36) and Jesus employed them to obscure the truth from unbelievers while making it clear to His disciples (vv. 11,12). For the remainder of His Galilean ministry, He did not speak to the multitudes except in parables (v.34). Jesus veiling the truth from unbelievers this way was both an act of judgment and an act of mercy. It was "judgment" because it kept them in the darkkness that they loved (John 3:19), but it was "mercy" because they had already rejected the light, so any exposure to more truth would only increase their condemnation (v,13).
But to the disciples He says, "blessed are your eyes for they see and your ears for they hear."
---MarkV. on 11/5/09


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The few Chosen:
The ones who will have the Holy Spirit speak through them in THAT HOUR.

Matt 13:9-11(all)
...
And the gospel must first be published among all nations.When they bring you to trial and hand you over,do not worry beforehand about what you are to say,but say whatever is given you at THAT HOUR,for it is not you who speak,but the HOLY SPIRIT.
---char on 11/4/09


The general call of the Gospel is extended to ALL whether they hear and respond or not.

Those who respond, are then saved by placing their faith in Jesus Christ who died for our sin.

Those who are called are also Justified, and promised to be Glorified.

God is not calling many, but ALL to repentance.

This scripture has nothing to do with salvation, but SERVICE and REWARDS!!!

Thr first shall be last and the last first is the KEY here. God never refers to the LAST as those who are lost.

Those who give it all up here having no reputation....will be FIRST in His Kingdom, and those who are saved, but exalt themselves here will be last in His Kingdom!
---kathr4453 on 10/12/09


Thanks Mark for repeating and defining some terms.

I think many times people here agree, but how people define the terms may not be how the other means for it to be defined. I could be one of those people. I may have misunderstood you sometimes. However, I agree with your last statements. Well said.
---Rod4Him on 10/8/09


Worth repeating:
The general call of the gospel, is extended to all who hear it, those who respond are "the chosen ones." "The elect." The called who reject the invitation do so willingly, and therefore their exclusion from the Kingdom is perfectly just. The "chosen" enter the kingdom only because of the grace of God in choosing and drawing them.
In the parable of the wedding, all the guest were rounded up and therefore none could be expected to come with proper attire. Meaning the garments were supplied by the king. And when the man showed up without the proper garment it indicated he had rejected the kings own provision. And was a insult to the king. Many reject the garment of righeousness Christ offers.
---MarkV. on 10/8/09


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Read it in its CONTEXT it tells you exactly what is meant.invitation was to the Jews
the call went general, it is the message that brings in the sheep
the chosen are the ones Christ redeemed, the randsom has been paid for them.
the one was not clothed with Christ righteousness and was cast out.
This is simular to the ten virgins
---steven-rem7000 on 10/4/09


Jesus, asked me a very pointed question a while back. He asked me, "How many Christians would you say there are"? And I said, "well, they are saying there are millions of Christians around the world". God said, but how many would you say has actually been chosen by me"? Well, ofcourse, I did not have an answer for God.
---catherine on 10/3/09


Many are called means:there are many people who profess to be christians and are not.
Few are chosen means: even though many profess to be christians.Speak kind and good words but God is far from their hearts. God looks upon the heart and knows who are His. Man can only see the outside of another but God knows us completely. Many(so called believers and non believers) will be lost on the Judgement because they really do not love and serve God in spirit and in truth.
---Robyn on 10/2/09


Many are called to serve The Lord, to bid His service. The many, are those that are loose, liberal even worldly aspects. Having 1 foot in for God & the other foot in for the god of this world(satan)worldly pleasures. Broad is the way that will lead to destruction & many it will be.

For the few that are chosen till their individual # is called or the group of #'s are called at once(the rapture)are those that kept The Faith & did bid His service.
Straight is the gate & narrow is the way & be few to find it.
---Lawrence on 10/2/09


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To Whosoever has an ear to hear?

God is Drawing everyone to the Wedding Feast because God can use even the disbelief & disobedience of anyone to bring & save many unto faith in Christ.

Jonah's disobedience brought faith to the men on the ship. Judases' betrayal was the catalyst to get Christ on the cross.

We all have our part to play in God's Sovereign Plan. Knowing the importance of God's use of everyone whether good or bad to bring in the last days, gives clarity to why the world is the way it is & strengthens us to be more charitable & patient in every encounter.

We needn't fret over what others should be doing. We need to realize that whatever is going on, is going on for the good of those who Love God
---Shawn_M.T. on 3/16/09


"Be humble OBEDIENT and simple as a child -give of yourself till it Hurts :-this is Gods attire which will EARN you the right to salvation.Read Ezekiel18:25-26" This statement by MIC even uses the word earn and that ladies and gentlemen is pure works! So if salvation is by grace and not works where does that leave those who practice and believe in works??
---mima on 12/18/08


Many people find the promise of everlasting life very attractive (they are irresistably "called" because they "hunger" for the afterlife that only God can provide), but they simply do not want any part of the present 'inner' heaven.

Revelation 7:16
"They shall hunger no more, neither shall they thirst...".

Most simply come to The Lord out of hunger, but few will thirst for His spirit enough to really have a Godly spirit/demeanor.

John 19:34
"came out water and blood"

1 John 5:6
"came by water and blood".

Living water baptism (Acts 1:5) of God's spirit is what will determine a person's Godliness (John 7:38), not book knowledge.

Verses are RSV.
---more_excellent_way on 10/10/08


frances008 on 10/2/08:
Point is that the RCC priest and Pope are in the way. Confessions are made through these unecessary vessels. When Christ died he made it possible to go straight to him. We don't need an intercessor.
---Trav on 10/4/08


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Jesus came to save sinners, because they are the ones needing saving. Yes, we have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. But many have repented. Some who are Catholics will never be brought to repentance. They have been deceived with lies coming from a disinformation machine that is out of this world, from Hell, and there are a lot of Catholics who are not properly saved. They think that instead of repentence, they should eat God. That is how they think they are saved. Others who do not do so, need to be brainwashed into copying them, or else killed. Another attack is to undermine the truth of the Bible via their universities, and infiltration of all universities and churches. These people are the seed of Satan.
---frances008 on 10/2/08


I would like to correct something. Jesus died for mankind collectively, to bring us righteousness in place of our sin. He is available for all people, anybody, skin colour, religion, faith. But his target group is the potential Christian believer (there are unbelievers amongst us). Through a believer believing in the resurrection we have the call to evangelize the world. However, there are people who from the foundation of the world, were appointed for destruction. God did not die for those people. Those who are not these people are the Children of God. Many have lost their way, like sheep gone astray. In this sense, God sent Jesus for the lost sheep not the whole world with every individual able to receive Him.
---frances008 on 10/2/08


Trav, you are very deceived if you think that the Pope and priests are followers of Jesus as you said below......quote Our teacher/father/saviour has a forward position to your priest and pope. Unquote. Priests lift up a wafer and believing it to be God, they worship it. Has this anything to do with Jesus? Be honest now. What has that to do with breaking of bread in fellowship to recall the Last Supper? Please, I am waiting for you to enlighten me.
---frances008 on 10/2/08


Your acceptance of God is to adorn His attire.The wedding guest did not have this although invited.Jesus challenges us to be perfect -Keep my commandments -Be humble OBEDIENT and simple as a child -give of yourself till it Hurts :-this is Gods attire which will earn you the right to salvation.Read Ezekiel18:25-26
NB:Is it not YOUR WAYS.
---MIC on 9/29/08


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Frances008 said: Jesus died for ALL mankind and ANYONE can get saved. The trick is... frances008 on 9/2/08

Frances,you and many believe ur TRICK. Your word. God can do what he wants, whether we like it or not. Took a while for me to get used to this FACT. About 46 years. Now to prove your statements by scripture, you're gonna come up short on verses. Your choice, but at some point you will be in danger of going against the Prophets as well,back to Moses. Not for me, but if you feel froggy who am I to stop.
I'll give you two verses and remind GOD hates Esau. I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:23
For the Son of man is come to seek and to save that which was lost.
Luke 19
---Trav on 9/29/08


Jesus in Matthew 22:14 is speaking to Jews about Israel. It is they who are being called and perhaps chosen in that context, not us.
---Kim2u on 9/27/08


"And when the man showed up without the proper garment it indicated he had rejected the kings own provision. And was a great insult to the king. Many reject the garment of righeousness Christ offers."

Kind of sounds like the religious folks who always gave Jesus so much trouble. You know, the ones who rejected Him because they were so wrapped up in their own self-righteousness they didn't know they needed a Savior, the ones who thought the Messiah was going to come and put His stamp of approval on them and make everyone else subject to their way of doing things.
---Linda_G. on 9/25/08


The general call of the gospel, is extended to all who hear it, those who respond are "the chosen ones." "The elect." The called who reject the invitation do so willingly, and therefore their exclusion from the Kingdom is perfectly just. The "chosen" enter the kingdom only because of the grace of God in choosing and drawing them.
In the parable of the wedding, all the guest were rounded up hastily and therefore none could be expected to come with proper attire. Meaning the garments were supplied by the king. And when the man showed up without the proper garment it indicated he had rejected the kings own provision. And was a great insult to the king. Many reject the garment of righeousness Christ offers.
---Mark_V. on 9/9/08


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Shawn you did a great job and Frances, after I read you last post, you said the same thing I said on the wedding garment but in a different contend. But never the less the same. In the wedding parable, the man's lack of a proper garment (given to him by the king to wear) indicated he had purposely reject the king's own provision. His affront to the king was actually a greater insult than those who refused to come at all. This parable seems to give an image of those who profess to be Christians, belong to the church in a visible sense-yet reject the righeousness that Christ offers them see (Isa. 61:10) and are seeking to establish a righeousness of their own (Rom. 10:3, Phi. 3:8,9). Reminds me of those who work for salvation.
---Mark_V. on 9/9/08


--Alan of UK: . Yes! I'm pointing in that direction.

I was also pointing to the truth of why God calls everyone and not just those who are to be saved.

We all need each other to bring in the last days. Everyone has a part to play in the grand scheme of things. We shouldn't fretful over what others are doing or not doing. We need to realize that, if we believe, God has it before us for our good.

Once we are made aware of the importance of this fact, I feel that many will understand why the world is the way it is and learn to be more charitable of the disbeliefs/disobediences of other around us.

In the end only God knew, from the beginning, what was in our hearts & if we were ever to be saved in the first place.
---Shawn.M.T on 9/9/08


So far no one has got it right.
---Steveng on 9/9/08


Shawn.M.T .... that seems to say much the same as I said on 9/3
Or do I misunderstand you?
---alan_of_UK on 9/9/08


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Alan of UK: Basically everyone is called but not everyone will be saved.

John 6: 64 there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

God knew everything that would ever happen before the foundation of the world, including who would receive salvation in Christ.

God uses the disbelief/disobedience of one to save & bring many to faith.

In the story of Jonah, how in his disobedience God brought faith to the men on the ship or how God used Judases' betrayal of Jesus as a catalyst to get Christ on the cross.

God using all things for the good of those who believe is why He still calls everyone to the Wedding Feast of the Lord.
---Shawn.M.T on 9/8/08


The wedding garment Steveng brings up from Matthew 22.11, speaks of putting on Christ. Nobody who is not clean is going to enter God's Kingdom. We are not clean because we continually sin, even if we say we don't (that is the sin of pride anyway). Therefore, we need to have righteousness that is not ours, but Christ's that we put on like a wedding garment. You cannot get into Heaven if you are decked out in works, or your own righteousness.
---frances008 on 9/3/08


God is in control. He knows who will be preached to and by whom, and what the result will be. Of course God sent Jesus to die for ALL mankind. His gift of Eternal Life is Freely available to all, but not all wish to avail themselves of the gift. It is not the well that need a doctor but the sick. How many people will admit they are sick and they need a doctor? Pride is the problem.
---frances008 on 9/3/08


"The kingdom of heaven is like a king who prepared a wedding banquet for his son." (Matthew 22:2)

The mention of a wedding banquet should bring to mind the image of Christ as the groom and His Church as the bride, as described in Gospels and Revelation.

The king's servants in the parable represent the OT prophets, who delivered the Lord's message to His people but were killed or otherwise mistreated. God's 'chosen' people had turned away from Him.

Therefore, others were invited to the banquet. Now, God's 'chosen' are those accept the invitation to honor His Son.

Finally, the man not dressed properly failed to honor the king's son. Those who do not honor the Son will not partake in the King's banquet.
---Bobby3 on 9/3/08


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I agree with the first part of Brooks's answer."There are two types of calling in the bible. A general call to all the world to repent and accept Christ". And those that accept the call will do so by choice, not by election, we are free moral agents up until the time we receive or accept the Lord Jesus Christ and after that time our free will has been turned over to God and thereby permitting him to guide us, direct us, and become our Father in the physical as well as the spiritual world.
---mima on 9/3/08


There are two types of calling in the bible. A general call to all the world to repent and accept Christ and the effectual calling that is only to the elect of God.
Brooks
---Brooks on 9/3/08


Steveng ... It appears to mean that the man was attending the wedding feast for the food & drink, but had not been prepared to play his side of the bargain & dressed properly.
In the context of the spiritual meaning of the parable .. that only those who have properly committed themselves will be chosen?
---alan_of_UK on 9/3/08


Jesus did not come for all, nor did he pray for all, nor did he forgive all, but instead Jesus came for the lost. Many will reject Jesus, and Jesus will reject them in heaven at Judgment, and Jesus created a lake of fire prepared for all these wicked ones. Jesus says: "They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. I pray not for the world, but for them which you have given me." Matthew 9:12+ John 17:9.
---Eloy on 9/2/08


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Many of you bicker over the meaning of the words than what the parable as a whole actually says. You cannot possible understand spiritual matters using worldly knowledge. Remember that the Bible is used as it's own reference.

Here's something to think about:

What does Matthew 22:11 mean. What verse in the Bible pertains to this? Once you figure this out, then you'll know what the parable means.
---Steveng on 9/2/08


A lot of deceivers are telling people that only a select few are going to be saved, which turns many digusted disappointed people into Satanists, atheists etc. The deceivers even say free choice does not come into it, but God made many people for destruction. This is a lie straight from the pit of Hell. Jesus died for ALL mankind and ANYONE can get saved. The trick is to believe in Jesus, the real Jesus and not the false Jesus of some denominations and religions.
---frances008 on 9/2/08


.frances, Christ's word "few" is strange only to the nonChristians here. Jesus says: "Enter in at the narrow gate, for wide the gate and broad the way that leads to destruction, and Many there be who enter through it: How narrow the gate, and strait the way that leads to life, and FEW there be who find it." Matthew 7:13,14.
---Eloy on 9/2/08


Few is a strange word, Eloy. Few in comparison to how many Jesus wants, but many in comparison to the number you imagine by 'few'. Revelations says 'a great multitude' will be saved who are those who come out of (a) great tribulation. These are over and above the 144.000, but I have to check the quotes for this.
---frances008 on 9/1/08


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According to KJV Revelation Chapter 7, 144,000 from the 12 tribes plus a Great Multitude that is uncountable, also gets to be Saved.
---frances008 on 9/1/08


Few go to heaven. The parable of the seed sower in Matthew 13:3-23 spells it out clearly. yes, only a very very very small few will go to heaven, because most people simply refuse to repent from all sin, and completely follow the Lord as he commands us. In Noah's day, out of the whole world, only 8 souls were saved. Most people will take the easy road, which is the wrong road. But the right road is the road of obeying the Commands of Christ of which very few will wholly surrender to. The narrow road is Obedience, and Christ says, "Take up your cross and follow me": But the wide road is Disobedience, and flesh says, "Myself is first". Jesus says, "Nevertheless, when I come again will I find faith on earth?"
---Eloy on 9/1/08


It is one of those scriptures I often say go back and read it in it's right context, people use this scripture to curse one another back in the day, for want of a better explanation.... to patronise or critisise someone for thinking their saved but their actions show something else and although they think they will be going to heaven they won't be chosen because of what they have done.

I very much doubt it means the above!
---Carla3939 on 9/1/08


The called and chosen are in direct response to the parable just given. The hired servants who are last are paid first.(see verse 8). Those who have been saved for 40 years will get the same heaven (reward) as those who are saved in the last hour.
It can also refer to the Jews who have always been God's chosen nation and the Gentiles who at the end are grafted in and receive the same reward as those who have been called from day one.
---john on 9/1/08


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Revelation chapter 17 says, "And these made war with the Lamb and the Lamb overcame them, and they that are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful." Called is Outer Court, chosen is Inner Court, and faithful is Most Holy and the fruit/proof that one has been called and chosen. Faithful to the Lamb and His wife and faithful to the message of the gospel.
---Linda on 8/31/08


God calls a lot of people to do his work, it may be through song, preaching, teaching or just talking about God. When a person gets saved, God calls them to do a work for him. I am called to sing by God. I believe that knowing I am called to sing and refuse to sing, then God will take away this calling and chose someone else who will use it. That is why it says Many are called but a few chosen. Because not everybody is chosen by God Almighty. It is a privilege to be chosen by God.
---Rebecca_D on 8/31/08


It is also important to have a spiritual understanding of what love is. Agape, philos, eros, and storge are types of love RELATIONSHIPS, not love itself (God is LOVE,...."God is ONE", Galatians 3:20, Colossians 2:9).

Of course, God does want us to be mindful of His love for us and we should hold Him in REVERENCE (REVERE Him), but we shouldn't patronize and flatter Him. "Praise" should not be a noun/GESTURE, neither should "worship" be a GESTURE (outward/external action). Worship should be an INWARD (state of mind) act/process/disposition. It would take a stretch of the imagination to think that social worship is any different than praying in public (which we are told not to do).
---more_excellent_way on 8/31/08


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