Heathens or "false" Christians casting out demons = grand deception, Matt.12:25-26.
---Adetunji on 11/13/13|
haha yes, they can, cos they are demons also lol. Demons will allow themselves to be by their own
---jay on 11/7/13|
lidia, that is still fresh in my mind mostly because my 3 little ones was scared to death. that place had an evil atmosphere.
---shira4368 on 10/19/13|
Hello,my sister Shira4368,good you all left that "church" because that does seem like the worst I ever heard in my life! goodness telling the kids " don't even breathe the demons might get into you!" Lord I cannot imagine except everyone is afraid just to "bat their eyes!" Such an evil deceive atmoshere..
God bless you for share this. The spirit of the Lord is joy peace..
should be at a church.
---Lidia4796 on 10/19/13|
when we were stationed in bossier city Louisiana my dad flew out to see us. he wanted to go to church so we took the phone book and randomly selected a church. when we got there we walked in and an evil atmosphere was everywhere. I told my dad lets go and he said no he wanted to see what was going on. they were casting demons out and had a bus of people from Chicago...the center of demon activity.(the preacher said that) no singing, no preaching but casting out demons. preacher told us not to breathe or the demon would get in us. my children was scared so I got up and I told my dad I'm leaving. he reluctantly followed me. that was an evil place and certainly was not of God.
---shira4368 on 10/16/13|
They sure can! JESUS said MANY will say to Me Lord Lord, didnt we cast out demons...and Henwillnsayntomthem, depart from Me you workers of iniquity, I never knew you.
---doug on 10/16/13|
Andy, You have a good point. I guess I was basing my reply on my own experience. A pastor who claims to know the Lord but doesn't cast out demons. I went to him for biblical answers about demons and he told me to read the book of Joel.(I don't get it) I think he wanted me to be confused and that is evil and not of God.
---trish7856 on 12/5/08|
MarkV: Ok, those described in Matt7 claimed to have casted out demons, but these claims cannot be verified, I suppose. However, a plain reading of the text, free from a priori assumptions, would indicate that these individuals did indeed cast out demons. It would be up to you to show that they were lying (or at least mistaken) about what they did.
Also, the event recorded in Luke 9 (and also Matt10, which is even more explicit in including Judas) would indicate that Judas was able to cast out demons. Therefore, you would need to reconcile this event with the position that such individuals are unable to cast out demons. No one on this blog has done this yet.
---Bobby3 on 12/3/08|
Bobby 3, I thought to cut in on Matthew 7:22-23. I agree those who were before God were claiming they had done all kinds of wonders and casting out demons, but that does not mean they did, just because they said they did.
Note that far from being totally devoid of works of any kind, these people were claiming to have done some remarkable sign's and wonders. In fact, their whole confidence was in these works, further proof that these works, spectaclar as they might have appeared," could not be authentic." No one so bereft of genuine faith could possibly produce true good works. A bad tree cannot bear good fruit talked about in Verse 18.
---MarkV. on 12/2/08|
trish.. however i do completaly agree with the fact that the devil will never cast out the devil, i am much inclined to say that a total unbeliever may cast out a demon with his own spirit. the seven sons of scevas ghot a good beating for they did not take the nessecary exorcist measures. they did not bind down the demonised with good chains, for they thought that Jesus name alone could maintain the demon.(as it was with paul) again a pagan can castout demons with his own spirit. even a false Christian will do this, nevertheless they will not be saved. neither will they amaze people the way we do. to cast out demons in sillence and peace.
---Andy on 12/2/08|
I am reminded of Matt.12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself, how shall then his kingdom stand.
This goes along with Mark, 3:23-26 and Luke, 11:14-11:26.
---trish7856 on 11/20/08|
I do not think a false christian can do anything a genuine christian can do. Satan is a counterfeit. He lies,cheat and steal from God's people. He cannot do anything without God's permissive will. Read the book of Job.I think we as Christians are so weak, so under prayed and lack knowledge until we give satan strongholds in our lives. It is easy to take advantage of a people like this. Think about it.My God is all powerful and He is in control.
---Robyn on 10/30/08|
Yes I think false Christians can cast out demons? Remember, the bible says that these false christs and false prophets will show great signs and wonders in their attempt to deceive many. So seemingly "casting out demons" may be one of those great signs and wonders. Remember, Satan is the father of lies and these false christs and false prophets are His children so we cannot say what kind of lies they would show while disguising as an angel of light.
---manny on 10/29/08|
And the evil spirit answered and said, Jesus I know, and Paul I know, but who are ye?
And the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, and overcame them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded.
this scripture suggest strongly that you need to know the Lord Jesus to over come Evil spirits of this kind.
---Carla3939 on 10/15/08|
The scripture speaks of vagabond Jews and others from the house of Sceva that tried to cast out these spirits but then they themselves were wounded by them.
I'm not a bible scholar but it suggests to me that from the other scriptures there were also exorcists and I doubt that satan can indeed cast demons from himself that is seen as a kingdom divided and when that happens it fails to accomplish anything. Interesting..... in terms of individuals casting out evil spirits being on the same side as the devil.
---Carla3939 on 10/15/08|
Matt. 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
7:23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
I think a false christian can cast out demons. I don't think a demon can. Matt. 12:26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself,how shall then his kingdom stand?
---Trish on 10/14/08|
Just as there are no chapter/verse divisions in the original texts, subtitles are added by the interperter/publisher of which ever Bible you happen to be reading. They are not part of the original text only somone's opinion.
---Bruce5656 on 10/2/08|
The verses in Matthew 7 DO mention casting out demons. I fail to see how you get around this.
"Nowhere does it say that Judas cast out demons."
No, not explicitly. However, this is a logical deduction given Luke 9:1.
"He [Judas] committed suicide, and went to Hell."
Where in the Bible does it say explicitly that Judas went to hell?
"Read your Bible, don't just assume you know what it means."
---Bobby3 on 9/6/08|
We are told that the Apostles performed mircles and cast out demons. We aren't told that "all apostles except Judas" did so, so he presumably did so (even though he later fell).
---StrongAxe on 9/6/08|
The verse you refer to talks ONLY about salvation (True and False converts), NOT on casting out demons. Nowhere does it say that Judas cast out demons. Judas was a False convert (who was possessed by Satan). He committed suicide, and went to Hell. Read your Bible, don't just assume you know what it means.
---Leslie on 9/5/08|
And yet in this verse, we have people who can cast out demons, yet they themselves are damned.
This implies that one of the following must be true:
1) These are Christians who are nevertheless damned (which brings to question just what do we mean when we use the word "Christian"?)
2) These are false Christians who can cast out demons (which answers the blog question in the affirmative)
3) These people are non-Christians, who can nevertheless cast out demons (contrary to your earlier reference to Matthew 12:25-29)
---StrongAxe on 9/5/08|
I really like-Bobby3's answer. The King James version reads,"Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works." The words "cast out devils" seems to be very clear.
And YES I believe Judas could cast out demons. And NO I do not believe Judas was ever saved but was the one Jesus referred to as the devil when he choose the 12. Now you and I could have much success in casting out devils if we but understood the power that is in the name of Jesus!!!!
---mima on 9/5/08|
"Even him, whose coming is after the work of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders" [2 Thess. 2:9]. Certain false religions leaders have deceived multitudes of people because of their apparent ability to perform genuine miracles. But the scripture declare that the devil also possesses this power. Please listen to the warnings of Jesus on this matter. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the Kingdom of Heaven, but he doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven".In thy name done many wonderful works> Then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity" [Matthew 7:21-23].
---catherine on 9/5/08|
Matthew 12:36: "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment."
Matthew 25:45: "Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me."
In Word and Deed we bind or loosen ourselves. Many many times in Scripture we are are taught of accountability...
---Nana on 9/5/08|
Leslie: It seems as clear as day. The verse plainly reads, "'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name DRIVE OUT DEMONS and perform many miracles?'"
Also, think about this - Was Judas, being one of the twelve, able to cast out demons?
("Then He called His twelve disciples together and gave them power and authority over all demons, and to cure diseases." Luke 9:1)
---Bobby3 on 9/4/08|
The verse in Matthew 7:21-23 is refering to SALVATION, NOT casting out demons. Most Bibles have subtitles before the verses. If you look at this subtitle, it is called "A Tree and Its Fruit". The Bible says that people will know you are a Christian by your fruit. When you read the Bible, you MUST read the verses around it, including the subtitles to really know what the verse is saying. Don't just go on human understanding, because it most often lies. You MUST ask God to show you what a verse means before you start to interpret it.
---Leslie on 9/4/08|
If that is true, then how do you explain the passage Bobby3 mentioned earlier (Matthew 7:21-23)?
---StrongAxe on 9/3/08|
Non-Christians can NOT cast out demons (Matthew 12:25-29).
---Leslie on 9/3/08|
I'd say they could and those demons that left the present body will jump onto that false christian. So now who will cast out those demons out of that false christian? Another false christian and it goes on down the line. And yet we wonder why people aren't getting healed or prayers answered. I don't let just anyone pray for me or lay their hands on me. If you are none of his, and everything isn't okay between you and the Lord, don't you dare lay your hands on me.
---Rebecca_D on 9/3/08|
Although the one example in Acts shows that the demons didn't go out, it didn't say that they can never. I would agree that a non believer could cast out demons if they used the name and Word of Jesus because it is the Word and power of God, not the person, by who's power any miracle will happen.
---john on 9/3/08|
It's certaily possible:
Matthew 24:24 (and similarly Mark 13:22)
"For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders, insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect."
What better way is there to give a false teacher a fake air of legitimacy?
Devious people use this kind of trick all the time - have some confederates stir up trouble, then the wolf in sheep's clothing comes in and chases them away - so he looks like a knight in shining armor, and people will do whatever he says.
And you know that while people can be devious, the devil can be MUCH more devious.
---StrongAxe on 9/3/08|
I completely agree. Unless we have Jesus in us, we cannot do the same he did. We must confess then Jesus says "Me and my father will come and make our abode in you". This is how we are able to cast out demons. False Christians do not have power. Christ says that after receiving him we shall have power.
---Ginger on 9/3/08|
They can try, but the demon won't come out. There's no anointing on a false Christian, so they can try, but they don't have the anointing like "real" Christians do.
I base my answer on the Example in the Book of Acts. The demons said, "Paul we know, but who are you?" and they devoured the person trying to cast out the demon.
---donna8365 on 9/3/08|
It seems to be possible:
"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matthew 7:21-23)
---Bobby3 on 9/3/08|