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Is Salvation Still Possible

Despite God knowing from the foundation of the world, who was going to receive salvation, do you believe that it is still possible for us through using our free-will to change the destiny that God has already seen for us and receive salvation?

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Mark V is correct. In his natural state no man is deserving of salvation in the Lord's eyes!!! Therefore it is correct to say that salvation is unnatural, unnatural that is for the natural man. The mind of natural man cannot comprehend the things of God!! Now after the Lord, through the Holy Spirit, convicts the natural man then and only then is the natural man in a condition to receive the wisdom and knowledge and enlightenment of the word of God!!
---mima on 6/1/09

Frances, you wrote very well. Only those who seek after God are the one's who are saved. For no one who is lost seeks God. You said,
"When God enters your life, you never forget the experience. You are a changed person. It is hoped that the experience is repeated time after time, encouraging you to grow in the Lord. Without God's intervention, we are all lost. Admitting you are lost and without hope and without God is a step forwards."
The problem here is that many don't want to admit that.
They think they can gain enterance another way. As a diserving person.
---Mark_V. on 6/1/09

Shawn there is a passage that you might want to take a look at, it is found in Matthew 7 verse 6. 'do not give what is holy to the dogs, nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.' you have been very kind with the word of God, you do not need anyone to trample God's word.
---Lisa on 6/1/09

Shawn, Shawn, Shawn~

I was merely giving you an example that Pastor Livingston is an example of an excellent teacher of God's truths. In this day we live in where it is getting more and more difficult to find a faithful teacher of the word of God, I just wanted to share this information.

Relax now and have a good evening, or as my grandma would always say "sleep tight and don't let the bedbugs bite."
---Anne on 5/31/09

Shawn~ You're right, what I said did come across as like an 'ultimatum' toward you. I don't think I actually meant it that way, but you're right, it did sound that way. Sorry bout that.

Shawn, what I'm trying to say to you is that you're getting all excited and misjudging Dave before you know all that much about him.

What I'm asking you is simply to check out those teachings I referred to. If you read them you'll understand more fully where Dave stands and more fully where I stand. Then you'll understand more fully if we all can connect more on a spiritual level.
---Anne on 5/31/09

Shawn~ I admit I admire your endeavor to be polite/kind. That is a somewhat rare quality on these blogs, and Christians should always be striving to teach in patience/kindness.

I admit though too that I really do not enjoy having deep discussions with you. No disrespect, but I just feel the same as Dave said to you in that sometimes it just seems like you're not comprehending 'English' or what is being said exactly. And then you tend to get hyper and determined to sway someone toward your way of thinking.

Maybe other people have more patience and desire to have deep discussions with you, but hope you understand if I don't care to partake in future discussions for the most part. But do continue to be an example of kindness.
---Anne on 5/31/09

The destiny that God has for all people is that all may be saved. God's knowledge of the details of mankind's life includes salvation for all.
---Janze on 5/31/09

What Are Evidences of True Salvation

1. By God's mercy we hear the gospel message.

2. If it's the true gospel message, the Holy Spirit will convict that we can never come before God in our stained, sinful condition.

3. But we hear the wonderful message of hope and grace that Jesus' atoning blood saves/justifies those who sincerely repent of their past life of sin and now want to live to be deciples of His by following the Lord, God's word, and abiding in the Holy Spirit.

4. We humbly come before God thanking Him for Jesus' sacrifice and repenting of sin asking for mercy.

5. The faithful continue to abide in the Lord and His Light. They'll continue to confess any future sin mistakes and grow in grace.
---Anne on 5/31/09

God opens the eyes of those whose hearts are already seeking him. Once your eyes are opened, you are never blind again. You still sin, and will be more aware every time, of your sin. The Word of God, the truth, sanctifies us. Suffering teaches us obedience. For those who reject the teaching of the Holy Spirit and refuse to obey, they are going towards destruction. They need a unilateral approach from God. When God enters your life, you never forget the experience. You are a changed person. It is hoped that the experience is repeated time after time, encouraging you to grow in the Lord. Without God's intervention, we are all lost. Admitting you are lost and without hope and without God is a step forwards.
---frances008 on 5/31/09


I beseech you, that we the Brethren, by the Name of our Lord Jesus Christ, Speak the same thing, and there be 'No Divisions' among us, for Christ is not divided. But this will not be done as long as declarations of contentions are made among us.

As some here declare they're of Paul. Others of Peter and now you Anne say, in essence, you're of 'Pastor Livingston' :and 'If I Don't Agree With Pastor L's Teachings, Then You Have Virtually Nothing In Common With Me Spiritually'!

I'm of Christ & would never forsake a Brethren by placing a 'Cursed' Ultimatum before them, as you have, by tempting me to make my 'Arm Flesh', just to continue further discussions : If I will agree & Trust in Pastor L's teachings (Jer.17:5)
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/31/09


Yes, Dave is a fine teacher.

In my communications with Dave I know that he and I share a common bond, and this is that we both agree entirely on the Biblical teachings of Pastor Isaac Livinston.

To read these teachings type in "abide in Christ Isaac Livingston" in your brower. over these teachings. You will find Pastor Livingston to be an exceedingly wise, serious, and sound teacher of Bible truths.

If you don't agree with Pastor L's teachings, then I have virtually nothing in common with you spiritually ShawnMT and there is no need for you and I to have further discussions. If you do agree with his teachings, then perhaps you and I have room for reasonable Biblical discussions.
---Anne on 5/31/09


When we were children suckling on the simple & basic of the Word, we spake, understood & thought as children :but we're to grow & put childish things away to comprehend & digest the 'Meat' of what God is Proclaiming in His Word, so we may spread & teach the 'Good News'.

At first it will appear like a long drawn-out concept, 'Complicating the Issues' of your simple but basic beliefs you've always been suckling on but the 'Meat' of these things are Spiritually Discerned & will appear foolish to those who are unable to receive them, to Profess with Faith that there is & shall never be any 'DARKNESS' found in the Body of Christ & is why 'He Shall Lose Nothing' His Father has Saved & Sealed unto Him. 1John1:5
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/31/09


The Bible basically & simply says in Rev.3:5 "He that overcome...I will NOT blot out his name from of the Book of Life". God was reassuring the few Elect in Sardis that He wasn't going to cast them away with the other Brethren there whose works He didn't find perfect. 'Wheat & Tares'

Anne, Dave would have you believing the opposite of what God said, which is a trick of the devil to twist the Truth by using the inverse of whatever God Proclaimed, out of context.

No where in the Bible does it say 'he that doesn't overcome, I will blot out his names from the Book of Life'

Anyone who shall not overcome, his name was never in the Book of Life : READ Rev.13:7-8,17:8 TO CLEARLY VERIFY THIS TRUTH
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/30/09


Brother, I never insisted they were not in His mouth. We're talking about 'Losing Salvation' and I shared that they were NEVER SAVED as part of the Body of Christ. So, Stay Focused!!

Anatomy 101 ~ Until something is digested it's NOT part of the 'Body'!!

The wretched & blind Lydians in Rev 3:16-17 were never Saved. They tried to enter in at the mouth of the Lord, being Lukewarm, having one foot still in the world BUT THE LORD SPUED THEM OUT, because God is not deceived. The Lydians said they have fellowship with Him but walked in darkness.

These things are Spiritually Discerned & appear foolish to you the natural man who cannot receive the Spirit of God's Light, to know that 'NO DARKNESS' is in Him.
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/30/09


Brother, You nefariously let out "As A Branch" in John 15:6 which states "If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth AS A BRANCH". Leaving that 'Truth' in would've under mined & made your deception clear, when you Falsely Claimed that "The name branch means it is a part of the vine"

What should I being taking back? The fact that you nefariously claimed that 'I dreamed up that you said something in error'. Correction is grievous unto him that forsakes the way & if you hate reproof & view it as arguing, then stop responding!

You may want to teach, but you do not have a calling to teach! It very clear that you still don't have Eyes & Ears to See & Hear the Spirit of God's Light!!
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/30/09


Brother, He who has the Strength of the Truth behind him, has no desire to bear false witness & try to gain the favor of those of the world. "For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Mark8:36" but you have been bearing false witness against others.

Dave, You've never heard nor will you ever hear me say, 'I'm proud to be sinning every day'. Don't lump individuals together. Endeavor to see the Wheat among the Tares because they're our Shining Beacons of Truth in the darkness that is this world!! I've never proclaimed nor Believe that our Heavenly Father Saves & Seals those who wish to remain in their sins, and that is why I comprehend 'Once Sealed Always Sealed'!!
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/30/09

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Dave~ You told Shawn that he has a tendency to bluff irrelevant things and to dream things as if you said things you did not even say (5/28)

I'm not sure if Shawn says certain things intentionally or if he's sincere, but I do often find that his teachings often take such simple basic Bible concepts and turns them into confusing long wordy drawn-out concepts.

He may not have the wrong intentions nor the desire to do this, or it just might be part of his personality make-up.

Even Miche said on CYLYS (Stephanie) blog on 5/28 said that he basically took a simple concept and made it difficult (concerning names being blotted out.)

He seems like a polite and sincere man, but I rarely converse with him due to these reasons.
---Anne on 5/29/09

I have already replied this post in different topic. Jesus says: "I will spue thee out of my mouth."
You insist to say that they were not inside his mouth and say that I have no wisdom or understanding. Show this sentence to someone who knows English. He/she will explain it to you. I love to teach Romans 7th to 8th chapter to a sinner. But, you are a saint and not a sinner even though you and your group are proud to be sinning every day. Study Eph 2:3-4, 5, and 6.
---Dave on 5/29/09


Brother, This is your post word for word, that is without Wisdom or Understanding, of the Truth in the context of God's Word "Rev 3:16 ... because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." This church was living in the mouth of God. Now God may throw them out.---Dave on 5/25/09 from CYLYS Stephanie."

Dave, Instead of nefariously claiming that you didn't say something, try admitting your mistakes, only then will you learn from them how to say what you mean or you'll never mean what you say!!

Brother, It appears that you don't know that we've been "delivered from the law,...that we should Serve in Newness of Spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter. Rom.7:6
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/29/09

"A person, who is flat on the floor, does not have to be careful so that he may not fall. The caution is for those who stand."
Dave on 5/28/09

I agree 100% Dave!
---Nana on 5/29/09

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This is reply to Dave:1. You just wrote Rev 3:16-17, and keep on bluffing irrelevant things. Why do you dream things as if I have said something that I have not said? Are you looking for this verse: "Rev 22:19 if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city"
---Dave on 5/28/09

Reply to Dave:3.
Satan makes his people insane so that it is easier for him to handle.
A person, who is flat on the floor, does not have to be careful so that he may not fall. The caution is for those who stand.
You guys do not know the difference between the law of the Jews and the commandments of God. Ignorant people think both are same, and they think they know it all. It is shame.
---Dave on 5/28/09


The wretched & blind in Rev 3:16-17 were never Saved, being Lukewarm & spued out because God is not deceived. They tried to enter at the mouth of the Lord, having one foot still in the world and if it were possible you would try to deceive the very Elect who are Saved, by twisting & teaching that God may throw them out.

A ploy of the devils is to proclaim the 'Inverse' of God's Word(as he did in Gen.3:3-4), & as you did with Rev3:5. Rev.3:5 is clearly only a reassurance to the Elect at Sardis that "They that overcome, God will not blot out his name out of the Book of Life." BUT you twist God's Word and teach its inverse that 'God will blot out names from the Book of Life if they do not overcome'!!
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/28/09


You really need to learn what it means to use a verse in its proper context. You haven't even gotten the 'letter' of the Word right, let alone the newness of the Spirit we serve. Rom.7:6

Rev.22:19 says "take away his PART", not his name. Sharing that verse in the context of the Whole Chapter, we have the Whole Truth & realize from Rev.22:12 that what shall be taken away is our 'REWARD'. Once Sealed unto a Renewed Heart we can lose our reward but not our inheritance.

John 15:6 says "a man ABIDE NOT IN ME, is cast forth as a branch" which you perverted to say, 'the man HAS ALREADY ABIDED in Christ'???? You're right "Satan twists Gods Word & his servants do the same---Dave on 5/26/09"
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/28/09

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1Cor.10:12 says "Wherefore let him that THINKS he standeth take heed lest he fall" which would be all the Brethren, Servants of Christ, in James 5:19-20 & Luke 12:45-46 who are still in need of Converting to a New Heart Sealed in Christ BUT you again twisted this verse from 'Thinks he stands' to imply that 'HE IS STANDING' already Saved in Christ. Sounds a lot like those in Matt.7:21-23!!

Everyone knows we're not Saved by the Law(Gal.3:11) but you've perverted Gal.5:4 to try to make it say "they were saved & fell from grace" when it clearly states that "Christ is become of no effect unto whosoever of you are justified by the law, ye are fallen from grace"(as we all have been since Adam).
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/28/09

Dave is correct, that if we know the truth we might become saved, if we are obedient to God and do not rebel. Knowing the truth is important. But some know it and yet still go around lying to cover up the truth. These are Satanic people. It is up to God, who will choose people from those deceived but good people, and by his Sovereign grace, reveal His Holy Spirit of Truth, and that person is then saved and can be a light to others who will listen. Only those who love God will listen.
---frances008 on 5/24/09

No, it is impossible. You are created a certain type of person. Your destiny may be to be found, if you are a lost sheep. You cannot find yourself. God finds you. If you are in a group that has no hope, a group of wicked people, but you suddenly have a change of heart due to some event in your life, that event was foreordained. You may give a cup of water to a prophet, you won't lose your reward. God is in the business of saving people.
---frances008 on 5/24/09

Is Salvation still possible? Yes and No.
To be saved is not easy. It is impossible. But God helps his people. "Matt 19:25 his disciples saying, Who then can be saved? 26 But Jesus said unto them, with men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible." God want to save everybody. But, two things go side by side. Be saved and know the truth. Those who do not accept the truth will not be saved. "1 Tim 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth." Please read Eph 2:6. God saves them who sit with Jesus Christ in heavenly places (holiness). God will not save those who wallow in the mire (sin). Please read 2 Peter 2:21-22.
---Dave on 5/22/09

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you are very right Shawn.
They only want to hear what is in agreeance with them.
I get treated like a babe in Christ by Kath, Mark, just because I tell them the other half of what they keep denying. I am not trying to call them out or anything. Just speaking the truth.
God expects us that are in the Kingdom NOW to grow and not stay babes in Christ. He wants us to be "Adults".
This is the Part that some "OSAS", not all, don't reveal to the Church. They are content with staying where they are in Christ.
But we must grow to survive in Christ to the end. If we don't grow, we get cut off and thrown into the fire.
---miche3754 on 3/17/09

Each soul has their own mind to choose for themselves which path they will follow, whether Salvation or condemnation.
---Eloy on 3/17/09

Shawn MT, Miche, Bryan G. ~ I too am in agreement with the interpretations you share concerning the union of God's sovereignty and free-will.

Just because God is 100% sovereign, doesn't mean He can't allow free-will...rather He DOES allow free-will for us to choose to follow Him. Amazing good news!!

And as long as we continue to follow Him, He is always there with us. If we want to go back to sin, that sin will separate us from God, but God is ever faithfully waiting if we return to Him with all our heart. The Bible is full of Good News! God bless you all!
---Anne on 3/16/09


Thanks for your words which are always encouraging in spreading the 'Good News'! Hang in there Sister, for we all were told that we would come under persecution for His name sake.

The debating on those sites has come to the unedifying point where one no is being productively fruitful toward the Salvation of mankind.

The Truth is being spoken by both sides but no one is humble enough to listen & receive anything: of what they consider to be from the other side!

It reminds me of Job & his friend. No one is compassionately listening to the Charitable Truth of God's Word that is being shared, because everyone is slow to hear and swift to speak & wrath!

Good Day to You Sister & God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 3/16/09

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see shawn m.t.
That is why I like your teaching so much.You are correct in that it is a union of the 2. I have said it, but none agree with me. Instead, I get pummeled to death and called names for believing like this.Why? Jesus said we would suffer as he did.
I will probably get fussed at for this too.
It starts by understanding that we have freewill AND God is in control.
How is this possible? God creates the choices. We just choose from the choices God gives us.
It is the same as when we buy our children 2 or 3 types of candy. We control the choices but they choose from the 2 or 3 kinds we provide for them what they want.
---miche3754 on 3/16/09


Amen~Excellent response!

On Blog sites like:1)Can God's Seal Be Broken,2)Is There Eternal Security,3)Can You Lose Your Salvation: There's an endless debate where one side believes in FreeWill over God's Soverignty while the other side believes that we don't have FreeWill if God is Sovereign.

You've rightly revealed, as I've done, the union of these two in God's Sovereign Predestined Plan which others aren't willing or ready to EXCEPT and walk-out of their dark debating & into the Light of Truth. Sadly, they'll only except the Truth when it comes from their own mouth

Hence the 'Dog Chasing It's Tail Question'! Once the dog catches its tail, it humbly has the irrefutable Truth its been chasing in its mouth!
---Shawn_M.T. on 3/16/09

God foresaw your free-will from before the foundations of the earth. He knew what you would choose. Why would you want to ask such a redundant question? Even if you chose differently, it would still be your destiny now wouldn't it? This is one of those dog chasing it's tail kind of conversations!
---BryanG on 2/7/09

---Kathr4453:***The first resurrection is literal, not spiritual. WE have a deposit of Christ in us..and are now as Paul said in Colossians 3:1-4....Dead to this world, and our lives are hidden with God in Christ....and when Christ who is our life APPEARS we will appear with Him in Glory***

Kathr, Amen!....and I was rash and it was wrong to implying when the second coming of Christ might be: because no one not even the angels know when that time will be, only God knows.

God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/11/09

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ShawnT, no where in scripture is there a first and a second thousand years. What on earth are you talking about.

The first resurrection is literal, not spiritual. WE have a deposit of Christ in us..and are now as Paul said in Colossians 3:1-4....Dead to this world, and our lives are hidden with God in Christ....and when Christ who is our life APPEARS we will appear with Him in Glory.

And your first 1000 years from Jesus Resurrection is going on to just under 2000 and counting.

No one yet has been resurrected in their Glorified Bodies and reigning on earth now.
---kathr4453 on 1/10/09

---Ruben:***Yes but guess what:***

Ruben, Usually a 'YES' attached to a 'BUT' & 'GUESS WHAT', implies that you have something to SAY to the contrary! But you've stated nothing the to contrary.

So I say neither 'guess what' or 'but' to you!

Instead I say Amen~Ruben~Amen, for we're in one accord in the Word of the Lord that you have shared of John 15:1-6. For the Jesus said,"WITHOUT ME YOU CAN DO NOTHING"(John 15:5). All Glory Be To God~Amen!!!

God Bless Brother
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/9/09


So you don't believe Christ has already stood on the Mount of Olives?

Being saved & redeeming salvation, happen at two separate moments. While we(the saved) are alive, we reign now with Christ in the first resurrection of the dead: which was the beginnnig of the first thousand year reign. After Christ's second coming is when all who are saved(dead & alive) redeem salvation and the second thousand year reign begins.

As we live, we reign with Christ. But when we die we live not again until the thousand years of the first resurrection are finished.

The second death that has no power over us isn't a earthly death, but the spiritual death at the Great White Throne of Judgement

Reread Rev.20:4-6
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/10/09

Excellent repply Ruben!
---Nana on 1/9/09

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For man it is impossible. With GOD all things are possible.
---Ronnie on 1/9/09

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:

---Shawn_M.T. on 1/8/09

Yes but guess what:

"Every branch in me that beareth not fruit, he taketh it away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he cleanseth it, that it may bear more fruit. Already ye are clean because of the word which I have spoken unto you. If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered, and they gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. "(Jhn 15:1-6)
---Ruben on 1/9/09

ShawnT, question....if we are living in the 1000 Year reign of Christ now....are people still getting saved at this/that time? If so, is there a different way of salvation?

How is salvation different then/now? Then satan will be bound, and Christ will be here on no one has to live by faith..ore receive Jesus christ by won't be necessary. Faith is tehhe substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen.

So you don't believe Jesus will actually stand on the Mount of Olives one day?
---kathr4453 on 1/9/09

--Cindy:**we do not by ourselves "choose" to become Christians and follow God......So God knew from the beggining who would choose him***

Cindy, It kinda sounds like you're 'beside yourself'? But understand Jesus said in John 15:16 that "WE DIDN'T CHOOSE Him" but that He chose us: because 'ALL GLORY GOES TO GOD'!!!!

We're taking Glory away from God whenever we feel or try to assume any credit, no matter how small, for the process of coming to or being drawn in Chirst(John 6:44).

John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:

I pray that you're edified by these verses!

God Bless Sister
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/8/09

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I believe we do not by ourselves "choose" to become Christians and follow God. I believe you are called by God. If we "choose" it--it never lasts-we don't stay in Church and with God. God saw all from the beggining to the end--which means he also saw who would of their own free will choose Jesus as Christ and follow his commandments. So God knew from the beggining who would choose him--so yes, salvation is still possible.
---cindy on 1/6/09


I believe as you do! The names in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, before it was SEALED: will be the same names that will be read out of the Book of Life when Christ breaks the seal, No more~No less!

I didn't word this Blog to be 'Loaded'. When I posted it there were some people who wrongfully were giving themselves glory for coming to faith in Christ, thinking they made the choice through free-will. When all Glory goes to God for drawing us into Christ(John6:4).

They believed do to free-will names could be add & erased from the Book of Life. 'As if God's setting in Heaven with pencil & eraser, passing the time penciling in names when we repent & erasing name when we sin'.

God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/6/09

shawn,your askig a loaded miss completely that God already knows who will and who won,t.the only thing is we dont know who will and who wont.john 3-16 says WHOSOEVER will BELIEVE,I do believe that if your name aint there,and God knows it wont be,it never will be.
---tom2 on 1/5/09

What a question! All through the Bible God talks about preelection. And He knew before hand who will except Him. Jesus said, "Remember, you did not choose me, I chosed you". I must go with the word of God whereever it teaches. Do not be afraid, you may be one of the few chosen. However, the path to heaven is narrow, paved with Blood, Sweat, and tears. If a person has truly been chosen to spend eternity with God, this person will endure till the end. And be assured Heaven is your reward, through God's Blood. Have a great weekend, everyone.
---catherine on 1/2/09

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God has provided salvation to all. Jesus died for the salvation of the whole world.
but for the sake of argument, if it was divine destiny that certain ones, you for instance were not supposed to be saved, then no free will you may have will over ride God's predestiny of you not being saved.
its interesting that traditions of men always have an element of "its for some special others, but not for you."
i thank God that He is no respecter of person's., what He gives to one, He gives to all.
---opalgal on 1/2/09

I do not believe that God's knowledge is faulty! Our free will is not a mystery to God, God has ALL knowledge.
---mima on 1/2/09

Anne, thank you for considering my opinion of any value.
---frances008 on 11/19/08

Frances~If you get the time, could you please check out the "False Doctrines" blog. I made a statement on 11/15 about some concerns, and later Mic made some comments. I'd appreciate your wisdom and insights in this discussion as well. Thanks very much!
---Anne on 11/18/08

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100% Assurance of Salvation needs to be our #1 concern in life. I only put my trust in one place to get this assurance--God's Holy Word. We live in a day filled with torrents of sins, deceptions, and millions of watered-down 'salvation-plan' gimmicks and schemes. We can find only one place where truth reigns supreme...God's Holy Word. Seek and love His word above all else and strive diligently to live as it teaches and in time you will know absolute assurance of salvation and wonderful inner peace.
---Anne on 11/18/08

Yes, Kathr, they are spiritual entities and they can enter a person and cause them to act involuntarily. In some cases possibly all, there is some gap left open in the family for the devil to enter in. Maybe the dad is on drugs/alcoholic and this affects everyone. Maybe the home is a broken one and struggling to pay bills. Maybe the family are generational witches. But is takes personal courage when attacked by spiritual forces, to come out of it sane and even alive. We ought to be honing our skills.
---frances008 on 11/17/08

***Kathr, the evil people that are conspiring against humanity know that the only thing they cannot defeat is courage.***

Dear frances, and I do mean Dear one...

We don't fight against flesh and blood, but powers and principalities and rulers in dark places. Now you must believe Romans 8 where we th SAints are told NOTHING can separate us from God's LOVE...Powers, principalities, life, death etc.

And YES through HIS WORD we are overcomers..but we must be so steeped in HIS WORD and HIS TRUTHS.

NOTHING can separate us from God's Love IN CHRIST...but one must be IN CHRIST!!!

FYI...I could share war stories too that would make the hair stand up on your head....but ALL Glory goes to GOD in Christ.
---kathr4453 on 11/16/08

G-d is not surprised in anything that we do. He numbers every hair on our head, and knows the thoughts and intents of our hearts. Nothing we will ever do will be a surprise to Him. The Bible says that if we confess with our mouth and believe with our heart that Christ is risen from the grave then we shall be saved. G-d gives us a free will choice to receive His love for us or to reject that love. It is all a choice and the choice is ours. Even when we do not choose we still reject G-d. G-d is never surprised by what we choose. He knows us better than we know ourselves.
---Tanner on 11/15/08

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Kathr, you don't know how close I have been to death due to my beliefs. The plane I was in in the summer developed serious engine problems, but I got my Bible and prayed and God answered and we made it to land where we got a better airplane next time around. In 2004 I was attacked by Satan directly in a spiritual onslaught that terrified me, and then I was put on drugs that partially paralyzed me, including my breathing for some weeks. In 2002 I received medical torture twice for no reason ( a female's painful operation that they give me no painkillers for). In 2000 the devil attacked me in a hospital and I could not wait to get out spending the week in terror of death. My brother died under suspiciously in 87. I risk for the Lord.
---frances008 on 11/14/08

Kathr, the evil people that are conspiring against humanity know that the only thing they cannot defeat is courage. If you look in Revelation it says that the saints win because of the word of their testimony and because they do not worry about their lives. This is how we overcome. It takes a lot of people with a lot of courage to win this war against humanity.
---frances008 on 11/14/08

God is all knowing.However,we still make the decision to accept him as Savior and turn our lives around.
---shirley on 11/14/08

Kathr, lots of my posts have scripture in them without giving references because I do not recall the ref. numbers. That is how the N.T. quotes the O.T. - resulting in only people who know their Bibles can know that you are quoting Scripture. So I assume you don't know your Bible very well. My newest Bible has no notes at all, but I usually know when the O.T. is being quoted because of the Holy Spirit recalling for me. I don't believe it is the self that sanctifies, but the Bible says the Word and the Holy Spirit sanctifies. You say the blood of Christ. I say that we do not have access to his blood, only access to his Word and the Holy Spirit. I attack ideas, not people unless they have attacked me, then I say they are immature.
---frances008 on 11/14/08

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Kathr, it would offend many people to be told what their government does to foreigners in detention but the truth is the truth and either you want it or you don't want. It is better for us all that we all want the truth. That way we are all better protected. Paul (who you so admire) says in 2 Thess that we must expose evil. I wonder who the 'many' are you talk of because I have noted 'many' people encouraging me recently either personally or by saying the same thing I am saying, completely independently.
---frances008 on 11/14/08

****The same OSAS lies are doing the rounds there. People who mix with and admire atheists, and others who believe only they are saved, spewing forth the same type of gnosticism. ****

Frances, it's outlandish comments as these that many here are offended by...You start a blob by calling someones name and then attach comments like this afterwards...In doing so you imply...maybe not intentionally, that you are directing these comments to the person addressed in the beginning.

Are you saying all who believe in their eternal security mix with and admire atheists etc?

Frances, to make these general insinuations and attacks lumping all into one big assault isn't intestinal fortitude but IBS!!!
---kathr4453 on 11/14/08

1 Cor 2:16, We have the mind of Christ.
The mind of Christ stands in sharp contrast to the wisdom of man (vs 5-6, involves wisdom from God, once hidden but now revealed (vs 7,is given to believers through the Spirit of God (vs10-12, cannot be understood by those without the Spirit (vs 14).

5) ,gives believers discernment in spiritual matters (vs 15).

One must first have saving faith in Christ (John 1:12, 1 John 5:12). Then the believer lives a life under Gods influence infusing him with wisdom, the mind of Christ. We yield to the Spirits leading Ephesians 4:30 allowing the Spirit to transform and renew our mind (Romans 12:1-2).thru the WORD, Living and powerful and sharper than a two edge sword. Hebrews 4
---kathr4453 on 11/14/08

There are TWO problems here frances....

The Gospel of Grace is not some general idea, you THINK you got...

And Frances, YOU're the one attacking making rude personal attacks on our faith in Christ,...look in the MIRROR.

Frances I looked at your last 20 blog don't use scripture..AND when others do , you completely ignore it and continue to blather on and on.

Blathering is not teaching Gods Word. HIS Word can teach itself.
---kathr4453 on 11/14/08

Maybe she'll listen too you???
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 11/14/08

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I think I get the general idea of God our Father's message.
---frances008 on 11/13/08

Go on Kathr. Have at me. When a person knows that he or she is in the wrong, they will attack the person who opposes their wrong ideas.
---frances008 on 11/13/08

There are TWO problems here frances....

The Gospel of Grace is not some general idea, you THINK you got...

And Frances, YOU're the one attacking making rude personal attacks on our faith in Christ,...look in the mirror.

Frances I looked at your last 20 blog don't use scripture..AND when others do , you completely ignore it and continue to blather on and on.

Blathering is not teaching Gods Word. HIS Word can teach itself.
---kathr4453 on 11/14/08

jim, I don't claim to understand the mind of God.
saying that only certain predestined people will be saved is like saying God can't change his mind.

We know God's Word never changes.

But I believe that God can change his mind when God wants.
God raises one up while God puts another down, brother.
So really what are we to say, right?
Pre-destined does not neccessarily mean destined now does it? it means maybe destined if you are at the right place at the right time and God wants it.
We can only be saved if the Holy spirit draws and we answer by saying "YES".
---miche3754 on 11/14/08

* I spend a lot of time reading my Bible daily*

Frances, many people read the Bible always learning but never come to the knowledge of the truth.

Paul in Galatians preached the Gospel of GRACE....that Gospel teaches we are Crucified with Christ...a NEW Creation.

Those Crucified with Christ have crucified the lusts and affections of the sinful flesh, and now walk in the Spirit.

You call that Gospel a LIE, and a Gospel without POWER.

Paul states I would rather glory in my weaknesses that the POWER and GRACE of God rests upon me....

You teach, as others have seen...intestinal fortitude(self effort) .....Paul teaches the opposite. He teaches Christ Fortified...(Christ in you)!!!

---kathr4453 on 11/14/08

Kathr, it is not me who considers myself anything, and if God has a message for me to give, then, Kathr, should I listen to your instructions or to God's? I spend a lot of time reading my Bible daily, and I read from the Old Testament, the gospels and letters and Revelation. I think I get the general idea of God our Father's message. Perhaps you would be happier if I were sent to work in factory earning money to give to the government to subsidize abortions for those who were too poor to afford them. Or perhaps you would like a job as moderator and then you could just press 'delete' every time I posted.
---frances008 on 11/13/08

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Go on Kathr. Have at me. When a person knows that he or she is in the wrong, they will attack the person who opposes their wrong ideas. As you rightly told everyone, I go on youtube and see what is happening. The same OSAS lies are doing the rounds there. People who mix with and admire atheists, and others who believe only they are saved, spewing forth the same type of gnosticism. Even though they are in different camps they are agreed against Jesus. This was all prophesied by Jesus. It started two thousand years ago. The people pointing out the snares of the devil are persecuted. Look up the Covenanters. The Christians telling the truth on youtube are there quietly, if you can find mention of them anywhere.
---frances008 on 11/13/08

miche3754...I do not agree with you saying:
"I believe it is possible".Our Heavenly Father is a sovereign GOD. He is in control of all things. Our Lord knows when you will come to repentence. Our lord in Jeremiah says: Before I formed you in the womb I knew you.Also, in Luke Christ tells us our very hairs are numbered.
Wouldn't you think miche3754 that if GOD knows all this he would surely know when we will repent.
---JIM on 11/13/08

Calhoon~I doubt it Frances008 & I agree 100%. I am new to this blog site, but from what I have read of her's I would say she was more passionate than self-righteous. None of us are perfect, and she is becoming more understanding toward others and patient from what I can see. She seems to seek the Bible very diligently, and is not one who is easily misled by the torrent of lies out there concerning the truths of the Bible. Thanks for your concern though.
---Anne on 11/13/08

Kath~ Thanks for your concern, but remember, Frances008 just recently apologized to you, and in my book, that was very considerate of her. I think Frances gets very passionate, but I think deep down she is understanding and considerate. We all have a right to speak, and we should consider what they say, if they can base what they say on the truths of God's Word.
---Anne on 11/13/08

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I believe it is possible.
Jesus says he is the way, the truth and the life no man come to the Father but through Him- John 14:6
And no man comes unless the Spirit draws him- John 6:44
If these are true-which I believe in my heart of hearts, they are, then Yes.

A person that knew nothing of Jesus or God, can still be drawn. It takes the appointed place at the appointed time.
Example: I have a close friend in the church who's husband was like this. he was raised not knowing. But now, He is a God fearing Christian.
---miche3754 on 11/13/08

***I hope to bring Kathr around. She is well entrenched in her ideas and so it is difficult to get her out of them.***

Anne, this ides of Frances's, she having some inflated over exaggerated idea of herself as HEAD EWE here on line, calling anyone and everyone names and assassinating their character is so childish I can hardly stand it.

Frances, let me make this LOUD and CLEAR...

After YOU have suffered awhile, the Lord will establish, strengthen and settle YOU in the Truths of the Gospel.....being UNMOVEABLE even unto death, if so be God's will.

When you've put your very life where your mouth is...and believe me, GOD will put your life on the line.....then you have His permission to speak for Him.
---kathr4453 on 11/13/08

***Galatians was addressed to a church that was prone to wierd doctrines and being easily misled. I don't know which doctrines they were because there were loads of them going around in those days.***

Oh Frances, you make me laugh out loud, and no, you could never offend me....

However Galatians was written because those still under the LAW were trying to bring Christians back under the Law, even insisting on Christians being Circumcised..which is totally JEWISH under LAW.

SO much so, Paul was so frustrated with them said he hoped they just went all the way and castrated themselves.

Frances, you do need to keep down the PERSONAL insults....and let God's WORD do the talking.....not you.

---kathr4453 on 11/13/08

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