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As Christians, is it not our duty to be as much like Christ as possible? If so why do we condemn and verbally crucify those who are not? Should we not all of us search our hearts and discover Christs' true love?

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 ---Bernadette on 9/22/08
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Nicole:

I agree that condemning other people is generally (although not always) wrong. I have a tendency to take poeple at their word. However, edifying correcion should be fine. If someone is teaching something or doing something that is inconsistent with his professed beliefs, I feel free (and also often duty-bound) to point that out to them.

I also feel free to do this to people of other religious beliefs. While it may or may not be appropriate for me to correct them based on my beliefs, it should certainly be correct to call them on their own. (For example, if someone belongs to a group that teaches strict vegetarianism, and I see them eating a cheeseburger)
---StrongAxe on 11/19/08


I actually had trouble with this in the past because I moved to an LDS community and faced horrible discrimination. It was so awful, and I wasn't in touch with God. I felt that He was against me when it was really the people. Since getting in touch with God, I have realized that I should not add to the hatred and unfairness that many LDS members have spread. Instead, I should be kind to everyone even when they are horrible to me. This speaks of God more than combatting hatred with hatred. I am proud to say that I have had many people apologize to me for being rude and that I reminded them what it means to serve God and not their own prejudices. It has really helped me.
---Rayla3399 on 11/18/08


I don't have a problem with Christians correcting or even rebuking other Christians. My problem lay with those who would condemn other religions. How do you or I know who is and is not saved upon first meeting unless you come right out and ask.
---Bernadette on 11/4/08

Amen!
Even when they ask you if you are born again, they still don't believe you unless you pass their 'Born-again inspection'

Then, they ask for Scriptures proving why I am saved.
When I give them the DIRECT QUOTE FROM JESUS, HIMSELF, they still proclaim I am not Saved.

I remind them that it was Jesus who died on the Cross not them.
---Nicole on 11/4/08


I would like to support what Bernadette says. We know that the bible says we must be born again, but those who pridefully call themselves born again may be more deceived than the rest of us. Who is to know what qualifies a person as 'born again'? And once you are born again, if your new life is just like your old one, minus the guilt, then you may be even worse off than you were before, as it says 'a dog returns to its vomit'.
---frances008 on 11/4/08


I don't have a problem with Christians correcting or even rebuking other Christians. My problem lay with those who would condemn other religions. How do you or I know who is and is not saved upon first meeting unless you come right out and ask. I see so much hatred or what could be misconstrued as hatred toward non "born again" believers. NO, it is not our job to condemn them. It IS our job to love them to Christ. We were commissioned as were the apostles to be "fishers of men". What an easy job!!! If only my earthly job were so easy. I love Jesus and discussing Him with the unsaved. Could we show a little more love and a little less hostility?
---Bernadette on 11/4/08




It is not condemnation, it is that we are supposed to work together to bring our members to obedience in christ for the greater good of the body. People misuse this so often as an excuse for sin... it is not even Cor 15:9 says we have an obligation to judge those who are inside the church. Cor 1511But now I am writing you that you must not associate with anyone who calls himself a brother but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or a slanderer, a drunkard or a swindler. With such a man do not even eat. 12What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13God will judge those outside.
---wal_rev on 10/21/08


if you will search your bible it says be ye holy ,we are suppost to be christ like.
---netta_3634 on 10/18/08


In a world such as ours is now it is hard to be Christ like. Example, Civilized countries have stopped sentencing people to death for adultery but still kill people for killing people { an oxymoron} in its self.
Lets lean on Jesus a minute. Every leper he healed he instructed to go show themselves to the Priest he knew they were healed and they knew they were healed but because it was the law!. Why then did he allow himself to become an accomplice to the crowd that broke the law for not stoning the adulteress?. His coming ended the Mosaic ceremonial law and brought into effect Gods moral law. Which he and the father only have the power of life and death.
---mea7943 on 10/11/08


Jude: 8-10 In the very same way, these dreamers pollute their own bodies, reject authority and slander celestial beings. But even the archangel Michael, when he was disputing with the devil about the body of Moses, did not dare to bring a slanderous accusation against him, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"

Before I think that I was meaning to rebuke not convict.
---Martin_nz on 10/8/08


Surely God can do the covicting,that is the work of the Holy Spirit but in my church I am very comfortable with a brother or sister in Christ holding me accountable.That is one of the primary purposes of Fellowship.If every person were to run to the Pastor with every issue the poor man wouldn't have time to prepare a sermon.Actually in my church we don't do many topical sermons we study the word of God from Genesis to Revelaton,every word,every verse.That keeps us in topics and we really get the chance to study the word...literally.
---ron on 10/7/08




Christians can speak to their fellow Christians and show them where they are out of the will of GOD BUT You got to be strong in the WORD to do this. Put on the Armour of God and be "prayed" up. That is why I leave it to my Pastor to do this. I have even done wrong and God convict me of it while I am listening to my Pastor preach on Sunday. He will get up there with his message and I know God gave it to him to give to me and let me know I was wrong and convict me of it and YES, I run to that alter and pray for forgiveness. So, I feel it is best left to God to do the convicting. I know I been whipped many times this way. And I repented.
---ginger on 10/7/08


I think that the reason that we "condemn and verbally crucify"them is that alot of Christians,good intending,spiritually correct,Christians fall into the trap that they have to save the world.When we fall into that trap we are doing the kingdom of God more harm than good.Don't get me wrong I am all for my brothers and sisters in Christ at my church are allowed and encouraged to hold me accountable for my actions.I am an ever growing child of the most high God and every now and then I need a little reminder that I might be doing something wrong,believing out of context etc. but it is always done in love not to condemn or verbally crucify.We represent the kingdom to unbelievers...are we doing a good job of that?
---ron on 10/7/08


We are not called to condemn anyone. We are called to convict actions that are worngful.

God often convicts it is only when I have a hard heart that it opens the way for the devil to condemn us. For there is no condemnation in Christ. And guess what the Devil hates us. He is going to face justice for his sins so why shouldn't we? Condemnation is hate of us by the Devil. Conviction is hate of sin.
---Martin_nz on 10/7/08


Mima: from Continued...
We have to pray to protect our salvation. We have to ask His forgiveness for sins committed, please don't tell me you don't sin. You are human, we all sin, it is how you deal with that sin that makes the difference. OSAS is a false doctrine and goes directly against the Word. (2Cor. 4:15 & 18) By praying for forgiveness daily we are renewin or refreshing, if you will, our salvation. As a spring rain renews and refreshes the dry, dead earth of winter, so our daily prayers renew/refresh our salvation. God wants us to be with Him in eternity, but He cannot abide sin. We need the blood of the cross applied to our lives daily. One last comment...
---Bernadette on 10/6/08


Kim2U:"...okay for Christians to condemn non-Christians"
We are supposed to love the sinner as Christ did. Christ did not condemn Mary Magdela, rather in love he forgave her and commissioned her to "go and sin no more". We need to pray for forgiveness for and with the sinner/unsaved, then show them through our daily walk and life how to live as a Christian. Too often we pray with the sinner and walk away leaving them to fend for themselves. A baby needs guidance and nourishment, so it is with a new Christian. We need to be living testimonies to Christs' love.
---Bernadette on 10/6/08


Mima.."We have to keep renewing our salvation daily."
The responsibility of our salvation is solely ours to protect daily. (Eph. 6:11-17) The "armour of God" is our protection. I do not buy into "once saved always saved" (OSAS)doctrine. I have in the past, thank God for His unconditional love, walked away from God to prove to myself and anyone who cared that I did not need Him, HOW WRONG WAS I! This said, God gave us a free will and a unique mind. We all think, act and talk as individuals. We have choices to make, and temptations to fight each and every day, not to mention dangerous situations that may cross our paths. There is no one person without sin on this planet. Continued....
---Bernadette on 10/6/08


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frank, I am greatful for the reference. BUT the credit goes God. He is the Light of my life. Everything is to glorify Him. I take no credit for myself. Even I have made statements that should not have been said and done things I should not have done. BUT I am greatful to God for forgiving and I feel blessed that ALL of my Christian brothers and sisters here have contributed to my study and knowledge of God. They challenge me to seek GOD in truth.
God bless you brother!
ginge7376
---ginger on 10/6/08


Rob
May I ask you, what you see in what is written?
You see, I only believe in one teach, all else I find to be lie.
Understand, I am not saying anyone is wrong in what they believe.
I understand my lord said as you believe let it be done on to you.
I believe this is for the judge of earth. Those who are wise enough to judge, I know, I am not! You may ask, why? Little thing like in, Mat 26:23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.
Please, dont try to change me. I dont matter! I will not lose one sheep!
If thou canst believe!
Forgive!
---Frank on 10/4/08


As well as being loving God calls us to correct those around us. For instances if a Brother or Sister is in sin then we are to correct them. If they do not listen go and get another, if they do not listen then another and if they do repent put them out of the community.

If they are put out do not have pride in their suffering or sin. Be thankful that you have been humble to recieve correction or to not err in that area. If they repent then welcome them back.

God is a Loving Gracious and Merciful God but He is also a Just God. Even if we do repent there are still consequences for sin. God is just and He punishes sin.
---Martin_nz on 10/4/08


I believe God. I will not tell a man to go left or right.
I will tell him the lord, forgives you and loves you. Look for this love within yourself. You will not find it in anyone else! No one can teach you this, but God alone.

A lot of people believe they can teach. (I can say more, but to no end)
Look at pharaoh, God hardened his heart. Should I then say, he was a bad man?
Can I now say he had free will? So then, is God now bad? I tell you, every man must find the lord in himself. Know this also, everyone can only understand what God wills him to or what he asks for.

Look to Ginger!
---Frank on 10/3/08


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we are suppose to love the person and despise the sin. Since we still have the fleshly part to us and we carry the Holy Spirit around with us, it can be difficult at times not to fall back into old fleshly habits. Like judging everybody. Sometimes we even provoke it just from the questions we ask.
I believe that it is better to bridle the tongue and let Christ(Holy Spirit) convict a Christian when the are not in the will of God. Trust me, He will. God chastises those He loves.
---ginger on 10/3/08


Frank, don't just read Matthew 7:1, read the complete instructions. Matthew 7:1-5.
---Rob on 10/2/08


I would say that always remember the jesus is the vine.no matter what we think, it is the gospel,and the holy spirit that changes peoples hearts.our part is too deliver the message.the holy spirit doesn,t even condemn.he convicts.though many may be condeming it,s not their job or right too do so.but remember human nature ,someone may only be trying their best too correct,but human nature doesn,t take correction well,even when its from God himself.many many times people believe they are being condemedmwhen actually they are being corrected.
---tom2 on 10/2/08


Ron good point we called to be loving but we are also called to correct. Believers more so than none believers.

In terms of judging everyone does it whether or not they realize it, how else would you have determined whether someone was judging or not... Judging peoples peoples actions is one thing but the heart is God's alone to judge. A lot of the harm seems to come from judging the heart.

Although we are called to correct at times we been given greater weight on tolerating harms then responding to them. For Even though they hurled insults at Him he did not retaliate. Even though he suffered he did not threaten them. Instead he entrusted Himself to He judges justly.
---Martin_nz on 10/2/08


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Yes as christians it is our goal to be Christ-like,as Christ-like as possible but at times we are forced to tell it like it is.Didn't Jesus rebuke the Phareses and call them the children of Satan,Didn't he also rebuke his followers at times?To rebuke someone calls for making a judgement that leads to the need for rebuking them.That does not mean that we are to judge them concerning their salvation...that is the Lords job we are to point out what is wrong,according to the word of God and steer the person towards repentance and a right standing with God period!
---ron on 10/2/08


Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged.
Because, we dont know whats going on!
But, ye know!

Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
Rom 9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Rom 9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,

ReadAll!
---Frank on 10/1/08


Deb, I would say that you have turned upside down what is in the gospel. We are to treat the world the way we want to be treated. But when it comes to brothers and sisters we are to do the right thing to them, gently, in love. That is, we are to bring them back to the fold, and that may involve castinig them out for behaving badly, so that they will learn outside (in the desert with just God) what to do to be accepted as a Christian. As far as the world goes, we are to shine a light on the evil. A young Christian might be best minding their own business, for the reason that to deal with antichrist, we need to be mature in the Lord, otherwise they will devour you.
---frances008 on 10/1/08


Atheist.

I agree that people of all faiths including Atheism should show love to people. Often from the short time that I have been here you demonstrate more love then others.

The Bible would call you a Man of Peace.

What I have found is that any rule based system of ethics for dealing with people doesn't work or rather that it is limited and easily circumnavigated. (speaking to all) From the mouth comes an overflow of the heart. I find the more i surrender myself to Jesus the more Christlike I become.

"You have heard it said a tooth for a tooth and an eye for eye ... But I tell you to love your enemy!"
---Martin_nz on 10/1/08


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christian do not know the difference between rebuking & judging. that is why when you ask a christian / pastor regarding an issue, they point to sin.
---mike on 10/1/08


We Saints are to judge, but, with RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT. And, YES, at the same time, we are to be taking an account of our own lives daily, to keep ourselves on the Narrow Path of Holiness. The kind of "judging" we are NOT to do, is to pick out other's sins, while we're secretly doing either the same thing, or other things just as bad. The Ultimate Judging belongs to GOD alone. He alone, allows people into Heaven, through His Son YAHUSHUA (JESUS), or casts the unrepentant Damned into Hell and the Lake of Fire. But, we ARE to be our "Brother's Keeper", and if we REALLY care about their souls, we would help to point out some things so that they may CORRECT them, and save their souls from DANGER!
---Gordon on 10/1/08


"Do not do to your brother that which you would not have him do to you."

It's really very simple, yet sometimes very difficult.
---deb on 10/1/08


Being like Christ does not mean we are namby-pamby bleeding heart liberals who turn our heads to every wrong doing,just to prove we are like Christ.You are missing the whole point of Christianity.
When you share the truth with someone,you are not hurting them, you are helping them. It is in the sharing that we have to be careful with. We have to be careful that we do not come off as know-it-alls and perfect people.Christians are not perfect and never will be.
Unbelievers tend to make fun of and label Christians because of the evil within themselves,most times, even when the Gospel is presented to them correctly. This is something they will have to deal with between themselves and God.
---Robyn on 10/1/08


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In response to your other question Bernandette: Uncondidtional love does not mean, again, that you lie to a person. Unconditional love means you are willing and capable are sharing the truth with someone.Not only sharing and telling them the truth as you know it, but willing to help this person make changes,if necessary.
Then and only then have you shown this person unconditional love. Also unconditional love means no string attached. Even if the person does not listen to you or heed what you are saying, you still choose to love him/her. This is another aspect of unconditional love.
I hope I have helped some.
---Robyn on 10/1/08


Bernadette,

Your point is very important. Not only should Christians look at others with love and compassion, but so should all people of all religions. I find it odd that people of almost all religions point at one another and warn of the falsity of the others' gods, prophets, and beliefs and the expectation that those others will all suffer some eternal damnation in the afterlife.

I would think that if there was a god he'd let us all know that we should care for each other, and belief in him would pull people together and not set them apart.
---atheist on 9/30/08


Good Question
Like if God said believe my son!
The lord said all sins will be forgiven you!

Why do we have such a hard time believing?
May the lord forgive me in this!
Instead of believe God word to us I will forgive all.
Looks to me, we have away of helping the evil on the earth.
Because we see the wrong in everything, Right!
Yes, like in everything YOU think is wrong to do.
But things like knowing no matter what you say or do.
The lord will forgive you.
God is the one, who is doing the forgiving.
But we all say I believe in God and in the lord.
I ask you. How can we say, I believe and not forgive!
---Frank on 10/1/08


All are guilty of sin and I believe all can be forgiven of sin! It is for this reason that I practice Easy Believism. Some might call this the 1-2-3-follow-me-plan-of-salvation. This is where a soul-winner takes a Bible and shows someone a few quick verses (concerning salvation of course) and then leads him or her in the sinners prayer to get saved. Many critics have tried to discredit other soul-winning Believers who have successfully won many souls to Jesus Christ. These scorners accuse us of being out for the numbers so we can brag to others of what weve done for God. Let me tell you my friend, it is ...GOD THAT GIVETH THE INCREASE. This definition of what I do it from a man named Dave Stewart.
---mima on 9/30/08


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One way to be like Jesus would be to call people who teach things that are not in the Bible(like purgatory)and (prayers said to mary) SNAKES. And when we see someone selling tapes or records or books inside a church building, we would make a whip and drive them out. Are you in agreement with this type of action? As for me I am.
---mima on 9/30/08


J-sus is the Judge, and we serve Him, when He is our L-rd on Savior. Our job is not to pass judgement on another person, for they are already judged by J-sus. Our job is to introduce them to there judge lovingly explain to them what their judgement is and why it is that way.(They were born into sin and choose to sin, and are eternbally condemned without J-sus sacrificial death applied to their sin debt). Sinner to sinner before a Holy Savior we explain to them the wages of sin is death, and only the pure and Holy Blood of Christ can make us one with Him.
---Tanner on 9/30/08


What The Word says about the use of the mouth and the tongue and what we should do with it.

Psalm 5:8-10, 10:6-8, 15:2-4, 37:29-31, 39:1-3, 50:18-20,
Proverbs 10:19-32,
James 1:25-27, 3:1-3.

There are over 100 references in the Bible to this one body part. I gave just a few positive and negative scripture of how we, as Christians, are suppose to use it.

James 1:19
My dear brothers (and sisters), take note of this: Everyone should be quick to listen, slow to speak and slow to become angry.

I know we all say things that sound condemning when most of us arent. I believe we should all choose our words wisely and not offend but still speak the truth.

God Bless!!!
---ginger on 9/30/08


"We have to keep renewing our salvation daily"
It would seem that this statement by Bernadine places the responsibility of maintaining our salvation squarely on our shoulders. I often refer to this as behavioral salvation, another words your behavior gains or maintains your salvation
The statement clearly denies the power of Almighty God to keep a person saved. This philosophy cannot and will not ever set anyone free. And it is clearly a teaching of works
---mima on 9/30/08


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It must be okay for Christians to condemn nonchristians. The practice has been around from the beginning and is ubiquitous.
---Kim2u on 9/30/08


I can't think of single all-encompassing rule. But I do think it's essential to realize that I'm every bit as capable of sin as the person I'm "correcting".
---Donna66 on 9/29/08


RebeccaD...For many years, I was a "Sunday Christian" attending church and participating in positions of leadership in church. The rest of the week I lived like I wanted to using the excuse that the Holy Spirit was not convicting me what I did was wrong. I never said that smoking is a sin, by the way, although it is hindrance when witnessing to the unsaved. The Word of God tells us that we are the Temple of the Holy Spirit. There comes a time in all of our lives when we either give our life to the Lord 100% or we just stop listening all together. Do you honestly think that the Holy Spirit is telling you to teach your children about witchcraft, Halloween, Harry Potter, etc?
---SusieB on 9/29/08


Bernadette, you are correct. I am a Christian and some are also, and some pretend to be or just think they are. Either way, I would not condem you, and any real Christian would not either. We Christians are not supposed to judge the non Christian according to God's Word. We just hate sin, as God hates it. And when you do become a Christian, God may convict your heart concerning certain matters, but He will NEVER condem you. He's waiting for you, and He loves you more than you could ever imagine. The next move is yours. God bless you.
---John on 9/29/08


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There was a post on another blog by a woman so anti catholic it made my heart break. Apparently (according to her) every Catholic is destined for hell. Well, God called me out of the Catholic faith and has shown me in prayer that there are many in the Catholic faith who are saved. I pray that souls be led to Christ daily. As for the Catholics, I believe there are those in that faith who are ready to be witnessed to but because of the hateful comments they hear or read they are hesitant to change. Can you blame them. We as born again Christians can't seem to agree on how to witness. Myself, when I witness I always start with prayer, then love, then prayer, then witness, then prayer, and finally wait and see what the Lord will do.
---Bernadette on 9/29/08


Well, I certainly did not expect this broad range of answers. It certainly shows all here how diverse and varied public opinion can be. In my question I was refferring to Christs' true love. Forgiveness. Have we in our eagerness to please Christ forgotten how to love unconditionally?
---Bernadette on 9/29/08


It would appear to me that we as humans truly have to die to self daily. We have to keep renewing our salvation daily. If I question another Christian's activities does that make me or them a sinner? No, but if I point out that sin in love, is it a sin then? Jesus said to the men about to stone Mary Magdela for the sin of adultery(John 8:7-11) Jesus commands us to check our own conscience and heart before condemning. I am not saying that sin should not be pointed out, just be careful that you are not doing it in a hateful spirit. Me, I would rather err on the side of prayer for the person and be a living witness than to point out sin in someone else's life when I am merely human and just as capable of sin too.
---Bernadette on 9/29/08


Is there a clear cut set of rules to follow when correcting people?

Wasn't this the Pharisees problem honoring the rules and not God. I think there is a clear cut rule but it is not one that we can list to others or tick the boxes on. Frequently I wish it were that easy arh but such is my battle with the carnal nature.

Surrender to God and let Him guide you. You will know people by their fruits. BOTH those in need of correction and those giving it.
---Martin on 9/29/08


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God is your brother's keeper, not you. Why are you pleased to see other people's 'specks'?,...in order to hide your own??? Your brother is accountable to GOD, not you, not the bible, and not the pastor/scholars.

Do you delight in your brother being worthy of a penalty of shame, guilt, humiliation, etc. or would you rather "live quietly" minding YOUR business (YOUR "speck")?

1 Thessalonians 4"11
"to aspire to live quietly, to mind your own affairs".

Next time you find your brother guilty of a "speck", don't forget to wipe the blood off your hands.

No matter what you read in text, no matter what you calculate to be true, you will be judged by what is YOUR will.
---more_excellent_way on 9/27/08


SusieB: If God showed me that going to the movies is wrong, I can't go and tell others it is wrong for them as well. Because God didn't show them, he showed me. What I believe to be wrong, may not be wrong for someone else. A lot of people tell me that smoking is a sin. God showed them it is wrong, he hasn't showed me. I ask God to show me if I am doing anything wrong. IF he does then I will quite whatever it is. If I continue to do that after knowing the truth, that is when it becomes a sin. Tell me something, a lot of the things you say is wrong, did God show you himself or did others tell you it is wrong? And did you quite whatever that was really not knowing the truth?
---Rebecca_D on 9/27/08


First question. Lack of understanding. #2 Yes.
"Brethren, you have been called unto liberty, only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this, You should love your neighbor as yourself. But if you bite and devour one another, take heed that you be not consumed one of another. Let us not be desirous of vain glory, provoking one another, envying one another. Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, you which are spiritual, restore such a one in the spirit of meekness: considering yourself, lest you also be tempted. Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ." Love without dissimulation is key. Ref. Gal.5:13-15,26>6:1,2
---Josef on 9/27/08


Donna66....Amen! Always follow the Holy Spirit in everything we do. If we let HIM lead us, we will never fail. If we listen to that other voice of the evil one, we will not be listening to the Holy Spirit and are in danger of the lake of fire.
---SusieB on 9/26/08


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Luk 6:42 "Or how can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me remove the speck that is in your eye,' when you yourself do not see the plank that is in your own eye?

Rom 14:4 Who are you to judge another's servant? To his own master he stands or falls. Indeed, he will be made to stand, for God is able to make him stand.

Rom 14:10 But why do you judge your brother? Or why do you show contempt for your brother? For we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ. --- all NKJV

When it comes to correcting other believers, THAT job belongs to the HOLY SPIRIT. He may or may NOT, use you. Consult Him first.
---Donna66 on 9/26/08


LindaG...Jesus told the woman caught in adultery to "GO AND SIN NO MORE." He did not tell her to remain in her sin. The Bible also talks about being double-minded. Either we are going to live for the Lord or we are going to live for the world. There is no in between.
---SusieB on 9/26/08


Don't you think it would be safe to say that if Jesus didn't condemn an adultress before He died and rose again that He isn't condemning a believer who smokes now? Just in case you think that God is pleased with your condemnation of a sister, you may want to take a second look at the work of Christ on the cross and why exactly He did that. If this us all about who is right and who is wrong, then the relationship with God Jesus brought back to us through His death and resurrection is in vain given the fact that none of us can please God with our righteousness. He is only pleased with faith in His righteousness.
---Linda_G. on 9/26/08


Rebecca....I get it now! I'll talk the way you want me to talk. Honey, it doesn't matter how you live your life. God doesn't care if you go around dressing up on Halloween and teaching your children about that day. He doesn't care what you are teaching your children with those Harry Potter movies and books. He doesn't care about your smoking habit even though HIS WORD says our body is the temple of the Holy Ghost. He just wants you to go on living like you want to live as if JESUS is not coming back. Don't live your life as if you are expecting JESUS to come any day. OK! Does that make you feel any better?
---SusieB on 9/25/08


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SusieB: There is a right way and there is a wrong way to tell the person that their in error in their Christian walk. You do this in a wrong way. Who says that I live my life as if I'm not looking for Jesus? I am a born again child of God. Just because I love the life God gave me and have good clean fun does mean that I am sinning? You talk to me as if I am a sinner, which I am not. I believe that when a person starts pointing fingers and telling others that is a sin and this is a sin, chances are the person that is pointing is doing the same or worse. If God shows you something is wrong, that doesn't give you the right to tell others it is wrong for them. God works on people differently at different times.
---Rebecca_D on 9/25/08


I have no problem with correcting other Christians however I don't enjoy it as much as others, it is my least favorite thing to do. There are those that seem to be on a seek and destroy mission every day in the name of God and enjoy it. If rebuking is your favorite or most practiced spiritual right then I challenge you to search your motives. Abraham Lincoln said that "I would rather sit in silence and be thought a fool then to speak and remove all doubt." Remove the log from your eye first before you comment on the log in others.
---TIMOTHY on 9/25/08


susie

I heard christians justify their sins. even if you tell them they are heading on a wrong path, they would justify them. case in pt. pat robertson of the 0700 club. he supported the war in iraq & bush. he believed that it is god's will for bush to be elected, to be president. as for the war, he supported him by saying there will be no casualties & bush is doing the right 'path'. result - US is in a mess right now. but according to pat robertson's mentality - it's the democrats fault or the liberals, intelligence, & not the 'decider' bush. and if you do not support the president, you are labeled unpatriotic, leftist,liberal. see how their 'craftiness' is.
---mike on 9/24/08


Rebecca...The Bible clearly states that we are to correct fellow Christians who are in error. We are to go to that person and tell them they are headed down the wrong path. Is there any reason why you think that I am not also entitled to my opinion as you so desperately want to be right in your opinion? Jesus is coming soon and you continue to live your life as if HE isn't. Why? Jesus wants all of your life, not just the parts that you want to give HIM. He has a work for you to do for HIM. You cannot sing for HIM and live for the Devil. Don't wait until you have wasted a great portion of your life. SERVE HIM NOW! You won't be sorry.
---SusieB on 9/24/08


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The prodigal son learned the error of his way, returned trusting in his dad's goodness, and admitted sinning against heaven/rightness ("heaven" experienced no suffering/harm). The prodigal son apologized with sorrow to the VICTIM (dad's gift had been ruined).

1 Peter 4:8
"love covers a multitude of sins".

We should care more about the suffering/damage caused to a VICTIM (if there is one) than the technicality of a violation. A victimless crime is only for police to penalize or prosecute. We should not act as vigilantes even though we can find authorization in scripture.

Jesus is our advocate before the Father, we should do likewise.

1 Thessalonians 4:11
"to aspire to live quietly".
---more_excellent_way on 9/24/08


It should be realized that the average person knows when they are doing something that could be considered WRONG (they "sin" against PROPRIETY,...MAN'S LAWS). They are only sinning against dress codes, table manners, codes of etiquette, etc.

A spiritual person has no wish to convict them, LET ALONE ACCUSE them. Even when the person "sins" against TEXT (bible), the Godly person will not pick on them or wish that the other person be deserving of a penalty of guilt, humiliation, or shame. The spiritual person does not harass anyone, but LIVES "QUIETLY", keeps no record of wrongs, and their love covers a multitude of sins (disregards their "sins").
---more_excellent_way on 9/24/08


to darlene

what about the issue in life darlene? how is the gospel going to apply to the real world? like right now, many people are losing their jobs, healthcare, injustices, inequality, politics at work in gov't? are you going to say 'it's bec. of sin?' when you discuss these issues, pastors, christians would add more weight by 'accusing' you of arrogance, complaining, not being a servant, not humble, etc etc. like the pharisees, they always equate the suffering, sickness to sin. that is why people miss opportunities, in bondage bec. of ignorance & christians can't give a definite solution to problems, it's always 'it is bec. of sin.'
---mike on 9/24/08


God has already judged the sinner,we don't need to do it too. We are told in the Bible "Go and Tell" that is the good news and Gospel of Jesus Christ. We are to show love to all people and thereby let them see the Light of Jesus shining in us. God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus died for the sinner. We aren't called to be judges but teachers of the Word and the best way to teach is by example. In the New Testament God appointed no Judges over the people,no Gift of Judgeship,that should tell us a lot,he did in the Old Testament. There isn't a person on this Earth holy enough to judge another.
---Darlene_1 on 9/24/08


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Hiding behind knowledge > that would apply to me. Good point. If someone is doing evil, you need to judge that wrong activity so you don't also do it. We HAVE to judge, then. Also, how can you forgive a wrong person if you are saying the person's sinning is OK? You forgive what is *condemned*, NOT what is OK. And if you don't seek forgiveness for a wrong person, but tell the person he or she is OK, then you are helping him or her to stay unforgiven, which makes *you* guilty of unforgiveness. And your communion is a false communion, if your communion ministry promotes that wrong people are OK and do not need forgiveness like the rest of us.
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/23/08


When someone sins, are we not to bring it up to his attention and ask him to repent? If that doesn't work, aren't we to bring another person? If he still doesn't repent, are we not to bring him to the pastor? Are we judging when we bring to a persons attention that they are sinning and going against God? What would happen when parents don't judge their children and give out needed discipline? Are we not to judge another person when it comes to their eternal life? As Christians, we are to spread the gospel of the Kingdom of God and how to get there. Yes, we are to love, but we are also just. god is not only love, but just.

Remember: the harvest is plenty in today's end times, but the workers are few.
---Steveng on 9/23/08


Bernadette....The problem with us needing to be like Christ is that HE was not all about loving and gentleness. He preached repentance constantly and drove the money changers out of the temple. He preached about HELL and the consequences of sin. If we do not tell people about Jesus and HIS dying on the cross for our sins, we will be guilty of their souls when they go to HELL.
---SusieB on 9/23/08


The bible is often used by many Christians as AMMUNITION. Scripture does justify many of the things that appeal to human nature (however, we are to have the GODLY nature and a GODLY spirit).

The text does justify picking on each other and making judgements about each other (very predatory and bloodthirsty). We are even told in scripture that we should shake the dust off our feet as judgement against others (and given full opportunity to satisfy our HUMAN nature),...BUT, out of love for my fellow human being, I refuse to do that (GODLY spirit).

Many are called,...

Whether a person chooses to live by the GODLY nature/spirit or the "old man" human nature is the reason few will be chosen.
---more_excellent_way on 9/23/08


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SusieB: When Bernadette said why do people condemn others she means like how you treated me on another blog about Halloween. I said I find nothing wrong with it, expressing my own feelings and you tried to condemn me verbally because I and my kids participate in this holiday. It is not anyone's job to try and condemn others for something they are doing or have done. If Christians go around condemning others for whatever reason, the sinners see's this and think to themselves if that is how a Christian is suppose to act, then they don't want a part of it.
---Rebecca_D on 9/23/08


You are soooo right, sister. So right-on target. I know I'm going to strive to do better, God bless you :)
---Mary on 9/23/08


bec. christians lack knowledge & understanding that came from the teachings of the pastors who are ignorant of the realities of life. pointing to sin's of other people equals 'tough love'.
---mike on 9/23/08


Some think they can take Gods seat when it is not up to us, but up to God. The only time we should judge anyone is if they are being a stumbling block to the church (people) themselves.We might not approve of what nonchristians do, but we can't stop them , it is freewill.However we donot need to agree with them nor be hanging out with them.
---Candice on 9/23/08


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Bernadette: There are many Christians that can memorize Bible verses flawlessly yet deliver the Gospel as if they are the Marques de Sade officiating at an inquisition. Many of these Christians are actually insecure about their faith and try to hide their general disdain for their fellow saints behind great volumes of knowledge. Don't despair, God truly knows who is walking the walk and who is just talking the talk. I think many of these angry Christians will try to get into Heaven on their knowledge alone and Christ will say because you did not also love my children you also did not know me. The white washed tombs will be revealed in the end.
---TIMOTHY on 9/23/08


You have the right idea, Bernadette, just like at the well (John chapter 4). She wanted more than what she learned from the text of her scriptures, she wanted "living water" and recognized "Messiah" while the disciples still called Him "Rabbi".

The water (John 19:34, 7:38, Acts 1:5) of God's spirit is necessary for a "more excellent" devotion (1 Corinthians 12:31) and so that we "neither thirst" (Revelation 7:16), then we can learn the "depths of God" (1 Corin. 2:10) and the real word that we should live by (Ephesians 6:17).

Christianity is taught as partisan (like a 'group' or club, salute/rules, gestures, etc.) without a CONSCIENCE that can be purified (Hebrews 9:14).
---more_excellent_way on 9/23/08


well actually we are to point out to our brothers and sisters things that are un christlike.there is no condemnation in christ.though our words may seem to be that way are they really? i WOULD SAY WHAT is the motives of the heart when you correct someone?I have a problem with alan on this site.his posts are always worldly issues,though he professes to be a believer.as a beliver on a christian site what should his posts and topice be?as a believer we must always fullfill our commission.the topics chose here by him and many others are wordly issues ,of the love of life.not those of God and salvation thru jesus.
---tom2 on 9/23/08




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