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Beginning Of The End

Are the economic troubles in the USA and the rest of the world the beginning of the end times? The concept of active population reduction (viruses, wars, etc.) is more popular today than ever. Can we really trust government to serve the best interests of "the PEOPLE" anymore?

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All "good people" are supposed to believe that conspiracy theories are "bunk" and that active population reduction is not a serious consideration of governments today (just like all "conspiracy theories" have always been discredited as "bunk").

"Good people" are supposed to believe that secret societies don't and never have existed.

Christians are supposed to believe that the "strong delusion" is a FUTURE event.

But is it reasonable to believe that this worldwide economic crisis was simply "ACCIDENTAL" instead of contrived?

This is the beginning of the end,...simply because good people never wanted to believe TRUTH.
---more_excellent_way on 11/19/08


Katavasia, if one lets go of all one's precious ideologies, reads widely, watches the television with discernment, checks all 'facts' on other sources, and learns about the people who propose certain 'truths', you will get the generally feeling for the lies and the truth. You kind of develop a sixth sense. I know one guy who said that as soon as the Twin Towers were 'attacked' he knew it was an inside job. That guy had lived his whole life sniffing out the truth, ever since the death of JFK.

AlanofUk, you may not be a Jesuit, but you do act like one. I don't know how to account for the behaviour. Maybe your friends are Jesuits and you do not know it.
---frances008 on 11/15/08


Mark V.~ If you can help me with this I'd appreciate it since you seem very knowledgeable. Understanding end time Bible prophecy is difficult to understand to say it mildly. However I do believe we are now living in the time of the Great Tribulation. To a Christian, probably the worst tribulation is when there is an extreme scarcity of the true Gospel being proclaimed, and when the powers of evil and deception are ruling over people's hearts and minds. No, I do not think we can trust government, but we can trust God and know He is in perfect control and that He has a perfect plan despite all the evil surrounding us. What an amazing comfort that is!
---Anne on 11/15/08


Mark V.~ If you can help me with this I'd appreciate it since you seem very knowledgeable. Understanding end time Bible prophecy is difficult to understand to say it mildly. However I do believe we are now living in the time of the Great Tribulation. To a Christian, probably the worst tribulation is when there is an extreme scarcity of the true Gospel being proclaimed, and when the powers of evil and deception are ruling over people's hearts and minds. No, I do not think we can trust government, but we can trust God and know He is in perfect control and that He has a perfect plan despite all the evil surrounding us. What an amazing comfort that is!
---Anne on 11/15/08


This is the begining of the end of times, the one world currancy is on the horizon, and only beleivers in J-sus (should) know what is coming. As long as the Body of J-sus is on the Earth, it holds back the evil from completely destroying everything. When it is taken up to meet J-sus in the air, then the Earth will fall into utter chaos and darkness. Government attempts to solve our problems, but they really are very limited on what they can and can not do. Our trust and eternal commitment is to be to J-sus and not a nation or ruler. He is our provider and protector and only in Him do we have life. G-d Bless
---Tanner on 11/15/08




Every human being can choose to let a Godlike nature/demeanor and conscience govern their behavior and thoughts/attitudes (it's WISE to accept this OPTION).

We should to let God be our "government". He will counsel us in all our needs.

Isiaih 9:6

"and the government will be upon his shoulder, and his name will be called "Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace."
---more_excellent_way on 11/15/08


Whether you want to count the "last days" or beginning of the end as starting immediately after the crucifixion with the new temple that Jesus built/established in His body in the three days on the cross, or you want to count the "beginning of the end" as the last generation of humanity, the world does right now seem on the fast track to self destruction (more than ever).

Since Jesus is the outer temple and we are the inner temple ("worship centers"/churches are false), could we have always been wrong that all events in Revelation will not necessarily be characteristic of the "end times"?

John 2:21
"But he spoke of the temple of his body"

1 Corin. 3:16 and 6:19 is ours.
---more_excellent_way on 11/5/08


According to some theologians, the "begining of the end", started with the Crucifixation of Christ. Having been born in Washington, D.C. and raised in Maryland just over the D.C. line, I'm seen too much politics to really trust any of facit of the government, but it's the only one we have, and it's still the best one around when compared to any other government.
---wivv on 10/24/08


NO ONE can truly love God unless they love THE PEOPLE.
---more_excellent_way on 9/27/08"

Amen, very well put MEW!
---Becky on 10/2/08


***According to scripture, God's own hand will save them(Israel) on that day, And ALL the world will KNOW that it was God that saved them, NOT, any nation of this world!***


AMEN !!!
---kathr4453 on 9/30/08




Yes, I would also like to review these scriptures concerning America in scripture.

Remember, God NEVER made a covenant with a Gentile Nation.

There is no prophecy in the OT that God was going to transfer His Covenant with Israel and give it to a Gentile Nation.

You just can't pick scripture out of context, throw it to the wall, and hope it sticks.

We are not now in the Great Tribulation period...(God's Wrath), where then in fact ALL Gentile arrogance will be personally addressed by Jesus Christ with the blast of His breath..

That day.."The Day of the Lord" the day of His Wrath, has not come YET...as Paul instructs in 2 Thess....until something first happens. Do you KNOW what that is?
---kathr4453 on 9/30/08


"Bible is a coded book not all of prophecy has been revealed YET it's foolish to believe USA is not mentioned."

What do you mean by 'coded'? And why do you accuse one of foolishness if he/she does not believe that the USA is mentioned in the Bible (which, by th way, happens to be my position)? If you are going to make such an accusation, please provide evidence from the verses of Scripture to support your assertion that the USA is SPECIFICALLY mentioned in the Bible.
---Bobby3 on 9/29/08


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Since the USA is not mentioned in the scriptures, I have always thought some event would take us out
**

...many of Christ messages were WARNING those living at END of time not his or Apostles time ...Apostles and many ministers over 2 thousand years have thought it was "time". ONLY the Father knows the time. The world and USA is decaying both politically, morally, and in every other manner God will step in STOPPING mankind from wiping ourselves out.

Bible is a coded book not all of prophecy has been revealed YET it's foolish to believe USA is not mentioned.

governments who step away from God have been punished ...God won't wipe us out so we don't have to face turning our backs on him
---Rhonda on 9/27/08


I left the Catholic church when I was 10 years old because of the hypocrisy, so I'm well aware of their many false teachings and gestures of devotion (partisanship), but there are also many people in the RCC that truly love Jesus AND also have a peaceful and just (Godly) spirit. The institution itself is not completely unlike modern Christianity (which teaches to simply "walk by faith" instead of "by the spirit"), but it is each individual's behavior/conscience that determines their spiritual status. Admittedly, the pedophile priests make it very difficult not to demonize the RCC, but take care when speaking of the RCC, lest you alienate The Lord's beloved.

NO ONE can truly love God unless they love THE PEOPLE.
---more_excellent_way on 9/27/08


In 1888, there was an article in the New York Times where Bismarck warned the world about the Masons (freemasonry) and their schemes to manipulate society for a New World Order. Most modern Masons are not aware of any sinister intent, maybe only a few dozen high ranking masons in the world are.

There are many secret societies, whether they cooperate with each other or simply want their own 'piece of the pie'/territory can only be speculated, but many politicians all throughout history have secretly participated in the societies. The secret societies operate according to numbers (666, 333, 18, etc.). Many treaties/documents have been signed on certain dates. Many conspiracies are real, few are imagined.
---more_excellent_way on 9/27/08


***Can we really trust government to serve the best interests of "the PEOPLE" anymore?***


I don't beieve the Bible has ever instructed Christians to put their faith in any other but God through Jesus Christ. We are to pray for our governments, and our leaders....but at the same time to always remember we are strangers and foreigners on in this world.....ambassadors ...to reconcile poeple to God. The Church is placed here to give the lost HOPE no matter what happens. AND what we have stored up in Heaven can never falter or be lost. Our human life is only a spec compared to all eternity.

As always....everyday is a perfect day to share the HOPE of the Gospel where PEOPLE are of the upmost importance to GOD.
---kathr4453 on 9/27/08


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America will definitely be OUT of the picture,God,Russia,China & the Arab Nations will see to that.
We(America)would back up(protect)Israel to the death(I'd Hope), and that's just not gunna happen according to scripture.

According to scripture, God's own hand will save them(Israel) on that day, And ALL the world will KNOW that it was God that saved them, NOT, any nation of this world!

This is one of the reasons God isn't to happy with them right now, They seek the Strength of other nations to save(help) them, Instead of their 1st Love(God), But soon they too will all upon the Name of the Lord Yahshua(Jesus), Praise God for his merciful kindness...
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 9/27/08


""Anything to distract from the true perpetrators - the RCC. I get my information from nonconspiracy sites which if I name could be put to the back of googled pages.""

And anything and everything ever found on the internet is always 100% correct and factual, right?
---katavasia on 9/27/08


Susan ... What countries are mentioned in the bible?

Certainly most of Europe is omitted, except for Pauls travels.

Nothing apart from the Middle East

I suppose the Wise Men from the East indicated some lands to the East, but there is no indication of Northern Asia, nor the Orient, Australasia, or North & South America

Do you suggest that all these will be swept away?

Financially, I think America may lose its controlling position ... it was already in hock to China.
---alan_of_UK on 9/27/08


Frances ... How does one tell a genuine website from a non-genuine one?
I have quoted you elsewhere from a webiste givng the origin of London.
How can I tell whether it s true or not? The information agrees with what I learnt at school some 55 years ago, and what I have learned through living in and working in London, but can I even trust that?

And can you trust what I say about that anyway, since you insist that I am a Jesuit, and therefore a dissembler?
---alan_of_UK on 9/27/08


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Mary: "Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind this moon dust and explosion in outer space? I can't for the life of me figure out the practical purposes of this--especially when we've got people starving on earth."

Don't try to explain it. Don't try to explain anything that is happening in today's world. It will only confuse the person trying to understan. Only be aware of what is happening.

A good reading is Ecclesiastes, who tells us what's the purpose of everything, and Job, who lost amost everything.

There's an old prayer: God, grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.
---Steveng on 9/26/08


More Excellent Way makes, as usual, a good point. The conspiracy sites had their day, but SOME have now been infiltrated by the enemy and used to spread disinformation about the Bible. Copycat websites etc have been put up. Alex Jones, is a fraud, trying to get people to revolt which will cause Martial Law. Zeigheist is a film that takes up the conspiracy theories and satanically uses them. Anything to distract from the true perpetrators - the RCC. I get my information from nonconspiracy sites which if I name could be put to the back of googled pages. You cannot trust any old site, but must check their facts out carefully. Also a conspiracy site might not KNOW the truth yet. It takes Holy Spirit revelation for full answers.
---frances008 on 9/26/08


"Since the USA is not mentioned in the scriptures, I have always thought some event would take us out. I have been thinking this financial disaster might be it."

It's possible, I suppose, that the US will no longer exist by the time Christ comes back. However, this cannot be deduced from the observation that the Bible does not mention the US. If we were to follow this line of reasoning to its logical conclusion, we would have to say Canada and Mexico and several other countries not found in the Bible will be 'taken out' as well.
---Bobby3 on 9/26/08


It's true that the information available on the internet is sometimes exagerrated rumors, conspiracy "theories", but there really are schemes to control/dominate society.

In 2007, Bush gave himself the authority to declare martial law.

George Green, a former investment banker with many other connections to U.S. finances claims that Bush plans to declare martial law before Sept. 30.

Even if the North Amer. Union (NAU) isn't on schedule, the mad man in the White House is prepared for social unrest. The world will never be the same.

The American news media is almost completely under government control these days, but you can find alot of reports about U.S. gov't. detention centers, martial law, etc. on youtube.
---more_excellent_way on 9/26/08


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Since the USA is not mentioned in the scriptures, I have always thought some event would take us out. I have been thinking this financial disaster might be it.
---Susan on 9/26/08


Check out the Bank for International Settlements. You might get some answers.
---KarenD on 9/25/08


My understanding is that the last days began with the first Pentecost in Acts. But as people in Christ we have nothing to worry about in any case.
---Kim2u on 9/25/08


Most Excellent Way,

I must say I agree with you. I believe no matter what it seems to be the beginning of the end, I do agree, you said it beautifully. God bless you and all of you here
---wayne on 9/25/08


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To my understanding, the North American Union depends heavily on the construction of a highway that goes from Canada to Mexico ("Canamex" highway) and connects to the Trans-Texas Corridor highway (not constructed yet), but now with the destruction of hurricane Ike, the U.S. economy, and the flood damage in Iowa (where the highway was supposed to pass through), plans/schedules might change.

In the past 40 years, global population has tripled. Scientists and the 'higher ups' in government are more serious than they were in the last 30 years that the population must be reduced by 80-90%. Whatever happens in the U.S. with the North Amer. Union or the economy, it seems very reasonable to think that this is the beginning of the end.
---more_excellent_way on 9/24/08


Hi, thank you moreexcellentway. :) I had no idea there was anything of earthly value on the moon, think I'll go panning for gold up there lol! :D But seriously, it's a bad idea, I think but nothing in the world surprises God :)
---Mary on 9/24/08


Look at this country and this world. Sin is accepted as normal while Godliness is looked at as something very strange! The stage is set, we are looking at the forming of the north american union, the one world government is here. All of the so called attacks on this country were used to take away our freedoms. My best friend has been microchiped in the right hand( hes in the army in Irac) its here brothers and sisters. Its only going to get worse.
---wayne on 9/24/08


The moon does have a very thin atmosphere, but of little effect, but the point is that the future of the moon is set for exploitation for it's resources. There is ice on the moon (for water) and it has been found that there is a small amount of gold in moon dust. Nasa's ultimate plan is to build an underground nuclear reactor on the moon, so while it is usally thought that the events in Revelation are all caused by God only, it seems that God was only foretelling in Rev. 8:12 what mankind would do to the moon (and this will effect the sun and stars also), and that the daytime weather will be so severe, the days will have to be shortened from 24 hours to 16 hours (the days will be a third shorter) lest all life perish.
---more_excellent_way on 9/23/08


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The Bible says of one in authority, "he is God's minister to you for good," in Romans 13:4. And we are not speak evil of ones in authority > "Yet Michael the archangel, in contending with the devil when he disputed about the body of Moses, dared not bring against him a reviling accusation, but said, 'The Lord rebuke you!'" (Jude, verse 9) But "Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence." (1 Timothy 2:1-2) They have their job. Our job is to pray with hope FOR them, and therefore not speak against them, I understand (o:
---Bill_bila5659 on 9/23/08


The extensive problems of the U.S. economy have been building for more than five years. Normally, the financial masterminds of all of the regulatory agencies would have prevented this collapse, but Bush de-regulated the markets. Other countries have serious financial problems of their own. Russia stopped all trading on their stock markets last week.

Society has weathered many economic storms, but this one is different.

Many states in the U.S. have serious budget problems of their own also.
---more_excellent_way on 9/23/08


In agreement w/ Timothy. Seems to me that the end has begun long ago. The concept escapes us since time is a manmade description on keeping track. We are not God therefore will not know when the end is because we're not to try to waste our precious time guessing. After the end how will you explain to God that that's what you spent your time here doing. As an amusement I guess its o.k.to wonder about it naturally. I believe that we ought to be doing more important things than second guessing the plan of the Creator. If we were meant to have the information I'm sure we would. God kept this part vague for us.
---Pamela on 9/23/08


No. It is people mainly not being smart about money and those that donot know how to handl it correctly.People panic & WallStreet goes crazy.This is why I do not put my money into stocks, bonds, etc.. or companies, but I do put it in savings accounts. This is a world event, not a Spiritual one. However most of the natural diasters are things showing us we're getting closer, but no one really knows when.
---candice on 9/23/08


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Can someone please explain to me the reasoning behind this moon dust and explosion in outer space? I can't for the life of me figure out the practical purposes of this--especially when we've got people starving on earth.
---Mary on 9/23/08


""One is specifically meant to EXPLODE on the moon and will release 1102 tons of moon fragments and dust into the atmosphere. ""

The moon does not have an atmosphere, and I really doubt such dust and fragments would reach earth.
---katavasia on 9/23/08


Seldom have governments served the best interests of the people. Under the present conditions they are necessary to maintain order and to keep the criminal element at bay. Recently however the government has been virtually totally taken over by a white collar type of criminal element and this is proving more and more detrimental to those who are governed.
As conditions worsen what should a Christian be doing? What about witnessing? It can be a very general witness. It can that be nothing more than asking a person you they have received Jesus Christ. As we see the end approaching we should be ready to remind people of their need of Christ.
---mima on 9/23/08


I love the wording of the last line to your question. No, we can not trust the Government to look out for the best interests of the "people" because the make up of the term "people" constantly changes and any Government can not possibly keep up. America has become reactionary in policy and practice because the "best interests" keep changing with each new administration. I am still a great advocate of freedom and Democracy however both of these ideals carry consequences. I may have had a more positive answer as a younger man however at my present age my allocation of hope for this country is dwindling. As far as the end times portion of your question, I have always believed that clock to have started long ago.
---TIMOTHY on 9/23/08


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When a government can distort, lie and deceive the citizens of a country then there is a serious problem.

The government of Trinidad and Tobago has been doing this for many years.

Patrick Manning and the PNM think that we are fools.

Well this is a warning to him , the PNM and its supporters.

Your time is at an end and God will bring down his wrath on you , your party and sad to say, Trinidad and Tobago will suffer because of you.
---Richard on 9/23/08


Since when could we "really trust government to serve the best interests of "the PEOPLE""?
---Bruce5656 on 9/23/08


For the last 50 years, I've heard nothing but this, that, and the other thing are the "beginning of the end times."

This is totally unbiblical.

For those who believe the Bible (as opposed to hearkening to useless apocalyptic speculation), the "Last Days" started at Pentecost some 2000 years ago.

Acts 2:16 FF

16No, this is what was spoken by the prophet Joel:
17" 'In the last days, God says,
I will pour out my Spirit on all people. ...

The "Last Days," according to the Apostle Peter, started at that point.

And your question about economic woes in the USA (which always pass) assumes that the USA is the spiritual center of the world. It isn't.
---katavasia on 9/22/08


begining,iam sure it is,the real sign of the beginig of the end times was in 1948,when israel became a nation again.the economic, and other issues are just signs of a degrading society that is part of the falling away,or those who hearts are hardened towards Gos ,as scripture foretells about the end days.yes there are many signs today,another great sign is jesus saying that the gospel would be preached to all the world ,and then the end would come,today we have the internet,tv for 60 yers or so,satellites for 30 or so,radio for nearly 100 years,world wide communication is now possible and ongoing.
---tom2 on 9/22/08


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If we examine world history, there were times when things were much worse. There was the plague in Europe and the Great Depression, where there were many people in bread lines and fighting for the few jobs that existed in that time. What we are experiencing is definitely bad, but not the worst. It could get much, much worse than we have it now.
---Trish9863 on 9/22/08


In 2004, President Bush gave a speech at NASA headquarters about the moon. Bush was very excited because, as he told Nasa repeatedly, the moon could have "resources" that could "boggle the mind". He ordered Nasa to start a project to explore the moon. In Oct. of 2008, Nasa will send two spacecraft to the moon. One is specifically meant to EXPLODE on the moon and will release 1102 tons of moon fragments and dust into the atmosphere. It is common sense that this will have an effect on the earth and other planets (whether immediate or eventual).

Revelation 8:12
"a third of the sun was struck, and a third of the moon, and a third of the stars".
---more_excellent_way on 9/22/08


Have they ever?
They seem to be very self-serving.
---alan_of_UK on 9/22/08


The only person we can trust today is JESUS CHRIST. We're waiting for HIS return soon. The signs are just right. After seeing some things that have been happening lately, I might join those who are seeing conspiracy theories on 911 and other things that are happening in the world. It appears as if this financial collapse has been created by the banking system of the world.
---SusieB on 9/22/08


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