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Nuclear Holocaust Prophesied

As the end times draw near, should we try to stop something horrible like a nuclear holocaust, or let the apocalypse happen as prophesied in Revelation?

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God rules over all events- and all events are foreknown and foreknown at the beginning. For does not Revelations refer to Jesus as the Lamb crucified before the world began? A prophetic utterance is a message from God, it may be a warning calling for changed behaviour, it might be a proclamation of an event. We can't change these through physical actions but by prayer we can enjoin the Lord for relief and the bible shows the Lord listens but the Lord's Will prevails.
---peer on 1/22/09


StrongAxe: "Unfortunately, anything that stops a prophecy from being fulfilled makes the prophet who prophesied it a false prophet (Jonah has always bothered me in this regard)."

God is not only a God of Love, but a just God and is full of mercy (especially concerning humans, eh?)
---Steveng on 10/21/08


Steveng:

Deuteronomy 18:22
"When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him."

Unfortunately, anything that stops a prophecy from being fulfilled makes the prophet who prophesied it a false prophet (Jonah has always bothered me in this regard).

If we can stop prophecy by converting the whole world to Christ, this would mean we could stop Christ's return that way (since that was prophesied) - and thus turn Jesus into a false prophet for prophesying it. Now isn't THIS a fine can of worms we've opened...
---StrongAxe on 10/21/08


There is only one way to stop prophesy from becoming fulfilled - when every man, woman, and child in the world becomes a Christian.

God always warns people of what is about to happen. Didn't God warn Nineveh and sent Jonah to prophesy? When they did turn to God, the city was saved from destruction.

Just the opposite of the first paragraph is when every man woman, and child is not of God. Just like God knows the progress of human nature leading up to the flood, he also knows human nature leading up to Jesus' second coming. He also knows the human nature of Christians walking the same path as the human nature of His people (the Jews) who didn't recognize Jesus.
---Steveng on 10/20/08


Bill_bila5659:

Thanks! Yes, those are exactly the references I was thinking about. And while the principle may have been applied to Judas in particular, it also applies in general as well, as both of these verses were in contexts about people offending children.
---StrongAxe on 10/20/08




StrongAxe > "Then He said to the disciples, 'It is impossible that no offenses should come, but woe to him through whom they do come!'" (Luke 17:1) Also, see Matthew 18:7. Also, Jesus said woe to the person who betrayed Jesus, even though that betrayal was prophesied.
Luke65 > that's interesting, how the shortened days of Cold War could be what Jesus means would prevent the annihilation of "all flesh". But I see in Revelation 20:9, "And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them." Fire from God, I'd say, would not be nuclear fire which would be from man.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/18/08


atheist:

Given a sufficiently lenient interpretation of prophecy, where all prophecies eventually come true, the predictive value of such prophecies becoms meaningless. (In much the same way that, say, newspaper horoscopes are deliberately vague enough that everyone can find some truth in them - which makes them totally useless, even if they WERE any truth to them).
---StrongAxe on 10/17/08


Given a lenient interpretation of what a phophecy predicts, a lenient acceptance of an event as fulfilling phophecy, and enough time, any and all phophecies by anyone, at any time will come to be true.

So what?
---atheist on 10/16/08


We CANNOT stop prophecy from being fulfilled. Nor can we try to urge it to happen,it will happen IN GOD'S TIMING! #1 Abraham tried to urge a prophecy to take place,he took it into his own hands. Although he complicated things for himself in doing so, it still did not effect the timing of God or His original plan taking place. #2 trying to change prophecy, recently- once they had decoded a portion of "Bible Code" they found that a certain world leader was to be assassinated and it had not yet happened-the code specified the time/date. Knowing this info they thought they could try to stop it, they went to him, to no avail, later that day he was assassinated. My point is what is written is written and there is no changing what is written.
---Grace on 10/16/08


There is a verse (sorry, I can't recall the exact words, so I can't quote chapter and verse) that says something to the effect that bad things will happen, but woe to those that make them happen.

So, we can't stop poverty, but we should still work against it (Matthew 25:36), even knowing that we will ultimatly fail (Matthew 26:11), rather than making people homeless just "to fulfil God's will".

We can't stop war, but we should work against it (Matthew 5:9), knowing that we will probably fail, rather than trying to start a nuclear war just "to fulfil prophecy".
---StrongAxe on 10/16/08




Stop what God has said will happen???? I don't think so.
---SusieB on 10/16/08


At the end the king of the north and the king of the south will go out against the false prophet who is also known as the antiChrist as written in Daniel. This probably will occur after he puts an end to sacrifice and offering in the middle of the seven which is 1260 days or 3 1/2 years or 42 months where Jesus said he would pitch his royal tents between the seas and he would stand in the Holy Place (when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation decrees to be poured out upon the followers of the false prophet leader who forces the world to take the number of his name or else they cannot buy or sell anything and will be put to death) proclaiming himself greater than The Most High as Paul wrote.
---jack_david on 10/15/08


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It is written that when these leaders go out against him he will go out in a rage to anihiliate many (nations). Jesus told that no one would have survived unless He had shortened the days. But because there are still the elect present on earth the days are shortened. After 1290-1335 days of the trial of the mark of the false prophet, the 'raptura' event will occur as written: 'In a place where it is said 'peace, peace', one will be taken and the other left.' This signifies in some places on earth there a type of pax-Romano where the activity is not as heavy as some others. For instance, the present situation within the borders of the United States.
---jack_david on 10/15/08


God knows what His word means. You can start paranoia about an end-time holocaust, in order to influence who we vote for (o: So, what's behind your question (o: Anywhoo, a person in authority is "God's minister to you for good" (in Romans 13:4) > "good" would include diplomatic action to prevent a holocaust. But either a slack liberal or a trigger-happy conservative could help cause a holocaust. But I don't think Satan is going to decide anything, really. I'd say God's fire, not man's fire, will end things (Revelation 20:9-10). And WE are "the salt of the earth" (Matthew 5:13) > our prayer is helping to keep the earth from a nucler holocaust.
---Bill_bila5659 on 10/15/08


donna8365: "If something is prophesied in the book of Revelation, then it will come to pass no matter how much praying we do."

True, but then again the prophecies in Revelation are veiled for a reason. This prophecy, however, is not:

"If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened." (Matthew 24:22)

I hope and pray that prophecy was already fulfilled when the days of the Cold War were "shortened" (notice the verse that follows).
---Luke65 on 10/15/08


mima: "The second coming of Lord Jesus Christ is in two parts. The first part is when he comes in the air and raptures out the saved. The second part of the rapture is when his foot touches down near Jerusalem."

"At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it." (Matthew 24:23)

DO NOT BELIEVE IT!
---Luke65 on 10/15/08


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Personally I think that we should do everything possible to rid the world of nuclear weapons, biological weapons, land mines, guns, bows and arrows, etc.

It would seem the moral thing to do.

If god was against us in these efforts and really needed them around so that what you all think is prophesized could be made to come to pass, I'm sure he has the skill to make them on his own.

But given his immense power, don't you think that maybe god has thought it over and he has devised a less bloody plan? He is a loving god, is he not?
---atheist on 10/15/08


Prophecy that is in the Bible will come true regardless of puny man's efforts.
If you are a Christian you will experience" being snatched away OR caught up" before the nuclear holocaust that is coming on the world. It is for this reason that we should continue to occupy until he comes. The second coming of Lord Jesus Christ is in two parts. The first part is when he comes in the air and raptures out the saved. The second part of the rapture is when his foot touches down near Jerusalem. It is at this time that he interferes in the battle of Armageddon and fights for the Jews!!!
---mima on 10/15/08


How would you suggest we try to stop it? If something is prophesied in the book of Revelation, then it will come to pass no matter how much praying we do. You can pray until the cows come home, but if it's not in God's will, it won't happen.

We need to keep vigilant in prayer and humility and allow God to protect His own children and give us the humility to witness to people during these perilous times. Amen?
---donna8365 on 10/15/08


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