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Without mentioning the alternative, tell us why you think the candidate you support should get the Christian vote.
Please remember, the reasons you feel his/her/it's opponent shouldn't be elected are not welcome, I want to know who you think is better and why.

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Steven, before I answer you I want to say that you do care what others think or you would not be here answering others, maybe to show how you feel.
Second, you are correct about many churches or denominations. Anne was speaking about that very subject.
At first a baptist had the essentials of the Christian faith, later many other baptist churches change their beliefs. They are still called Baptist but don't teach the same as the others. The same hold true for every denomination.
Through the years a more liberal teachings have come into the churches, one thing that Charles Spurgeon was worried would happen, and did happen. Thanks for your answer.
---MarkV. on 12/17/08


MarkV: "Steven,... I wanted to talk to you about your trip across America and how things did not go so good..."

On the contrary, my experiences while hitchhiking across America in the 1970s was an experience I wouldn't trade for the world. But what was disheartening was comparing two almost identical events - one in the 1970s and the other in 2003. In the 1970s, all I needed was to write no more than three letters asking a church to find me a place to sleep and would get two positive responses. In 2003, I contacted over 35 churches asking the same thing, all but two declined. The two said they would help if I became a member of their church.

Love has surely left the planet Earth - including the "churches."
---Steveng on 12/15/08


Don't think that I have a lot of "animosity" as someone said on this blog, I'm not. I really don't care what you think, I only care what God thinks of me. I let slanderous remarks, obsene gestures, and other people's hostilities fly over my head. That's probably why I'm naturally bald. I'm content to who I am and don't let anything or anyone bother me. I say the truth and if you don't axcept it, it's your problem, not mine.

And, of course, you know about the watchman.
---Steveng on 12/15/08


I do it only on the doctrines they are speaking of at the moment. But I notice some gang up together just because they dislike another person. They forget what we are here for, for the Truth, for Christ.
---MarkV. on 12/10/08

The truth is the truth. I'll support anyone of truth....and provide scripture for anyone who will accept a pointed direction. Dark cannot tolerate light. If one closes their eyes...they choose to do so.
It does not turn off the light....just because the eyes are closed.
I extend a hand to any standing in the light, or too any that can't find the switch. I searched for the switch 40 years. I knew a light switch when I felt/seen it.
---Trav on 12/11/08


Thank you Anne, it for the glory of God. Let me say that I belong to the "Alliance of Confessing Evangelicals". It is board coalition of evangelical Christians from variou denominations, including Baptist, Congregational (Independent), Anglican (Episcopal), Presbyterian, Reformed, and Lutheran. As you can see they come from different backgrounds. The purpose for the Alliance is to call the Church, amist a dying culture, to repent of its worldliness, to recover and confess the Truth of God's Word as did the reformers, and to see that Truth embodied in Doctrine, worship, and life. When we meet it so great. No one argues or calls anyone names. I have not seen in life any believers do that, only on line.
---MarkV. on 12/11/08




MarkV.~ What you said is very edifying, and I can see how you always want to bring about edification and peace despite people's differences. It is good that you always strive to point people to truth in a spirit of gentleness and humility.
---Anne on 12/11/08


Steven, hope you don't mind, I wanted to talk to you about your trip across America and how things did not go so good for you and what you experienced. Can you explain that a little better? Here on line its hard to really get along very good with each other but I believe it is because no one can see the others face. In person, actions and conduct or totally different. On line the person has more liberty. When I side with someone it is not because they are against anyone that has been against me. I do it only on the doctrines they are speaking of at the moment. But I notice some gang up together just because they dislike another person. They forget what we are here for, for the Truth, for Christ.
---MarkV. on 12/10/08


Steven, No one is going to agree on every little detail. We are all different and learn different. And just because your experience has been zip with others, it doesn't necessary mean everyone is that way. Of all the brothers I have known in person not a one I know disagrees to the point of dividing. Oh they have a tradition or two but it is not enough to judge all of them bad. You have to give them some slack.
You and I must have the same love for Christ. The same basics of the Christian faith but what you need is a great love for your brothers and sisters. Some of those who call themselves Christains are really not converted at all but there is so many good brothers and sisters out there. Teach them, help them.
---MarkV. on 12/10/08


MarkV: "Maybe they disagree on some small matters, but most have the essentials of the Christian faith the same. Those are the one's that count."

On the contrary. It's the details that matter - the small details.
---Steveng on 12/10/08


And to judge that others have fallen away is arrogant as well. They MAY have done so, but is not for you to judge...
---alan_of_UK on 12/9/08

FIRST cast out the beam out of thine own eye, and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.
Matthew 7:4-6
(He may have removed his own...he see's pretty clear apparently
)
Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
John 7:23-25

But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
1 Corinthians 2:14-16

But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1 Corinthians 5:12-13

38if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
---Trav on 12/9/08




Steven, you said "just reading this post tells you no one is of the same spirit" I disagree with that statement since many are of one Spirit. Maybe they disagree on some small matters, but most have the essentials of the Christian faith the same. Those are the one's that count.
I disagree with your statement that the elect can be fooled. The passage does not say that, only if you want it to say that. "If it were possible" does not mean it is. Another thing I disagree with you is, that true Christians born of the Spirit never fall away completely. We are held by the power of God, given all necessary spiritual gifts for this life, and are sustain by Christ to the day of the Lord. That is God's Word.
---MarkV. on 12/9/08


Steveng ... "So-called" in commonly understood to mean "not genuine", or "self-proclaimed", or "not true"

Using the term "so-called Christians" for all of us here is unjustified, even if you also accept it for yourself.

To use it for everyone else here, but NOT for yourself, says that you are the only true Christian around. And that is just a little bit arrogant.

And to judge that others have fallen away is arrogant as well. They MAY have done so, but it is not for you to judge, and certainly if you do make that judgment, you have probably also fallen away yourself.
---alan_of_UK on 12/9/08


alan_of_UK: "...By that, do you mean we are none of us real Christians?"

Do you not recognize the signs of our times? You folks don't seem to realize that we are living near the end of our time. It is written that during this time a great delusion will encompass the entire world that even the elect, if it were possible, would be fooled in believing it. If the elect could be fooled, how much more are the Christians? Just reading these posts tell you that no one is of the same spirit, and in harmony with each other. Also consider the great falling away, but don't delude yourself that it's not possible for you, a "so-called" Christian, to fall away because many of you have already done so.
---Steveng on 12/8/08


As for the "except of course you" comment, I would definately say that I'm the worst of all Christians and really don't deserve the miracles that God has given me for the past 56 years. But I continually thank God for them.
---Steveng on 12/4/08

I fully understood what you were saying Steven. I've seen a lot of writing on this site....but, very little edifying. Scripture references/witnesses running about 15%. Mostly opinions for itchy ear syndrome and a petting Zoo, for pet doctrines.

Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
Matthew 21:42-44

Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Matthew 7:19-21
---Trav on 12/6/08


Steveng ... I've re-read what you have just written ... you reassert 'that everyone else here were "so-called Christians"'

So you do regard yuorself as being the only real Christian, the rest of us being only "so-called" and therefore not genuine.

Is that really what you meant?
---alan_of_UK on 12/6/08


Steveng ... "Only the Father knows the day and the hour, but Jesus gave us signs" There have been signs throughout all the 2000 years .... convincing men during alll those 2000 years that they were in the end times. We may be a wrong as them. Jesus will come unexpectedly, whenever it will be.

I see you still say all of us here are "so-called Christians" By that, do you mean we are none of us real Christians? Do you include yourself?
---alan_of_UK on 12/6/08


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alan_of_UK: "I have clearly misunderstood you ... because I thought that you implied originally that everyone else here were "so-called Christians" But you seem to have withdrawn from that assertion."

You understood me perfectly and have not withdrawn my assertion. I stand by what I say, or in this case, write.
---Steveng on 12/5/08


alan_of_UK: "I am not sure about us living in the end times ... yes we are, as we have been for the last 2000 years, and there have been signs for all that time"

Sure, man's knowledge has increased a thousandfold over just the past century and made great advances in medicaine and technology, but man will always be the same. But do you remember what Jesus said about the birth pains?

"I think we are wrong if we claim the end is immediately imminent, and indeed Jesus told us not to try and guess the time."

Only the Father knows the day and the hour, but Jesus gave us signs.
---Steveng on 12/5/08


Steveng ... "I would definately say that I'm the worst of all Christians and really don't deserve the miracles that God has given me for the past 56 years"

In that you are wrong ... I am.

I have clearly misunderstood you ... because I thought that you implied originally that everyone else here were "so-called Christians" But you seem to have withdrawn from that assertion.

I am not sure about us living in the end times ... yes we are, as we have been for the last 2000 years, and there have been signs for all that time

I think we are wrong if we claim the end is immediately imminent, and indeed Jesus told us not to try and guess the time. But we should live as if it will be this next second
---alan_of_UK on 12/5/08


alan_of_UK: "Just because you call me Lord ... " says that not all are saved, whereas you seem to think it means that everyone (except of course you) who calls Him Lord is only a "so-called Christian""

You need to remember that we are living in the end times and that end time prophesy says that a great delusion will incompass the world were even the elect would be fooled. If the elect could be fooled how much more the Christians?

As for the "except of course you" comment, I would definately say that I'm the worst of all Christians and really don't deserve the miracles that God has given me for the past 56 years. But I continually thank God for them.
---Steveng on 12/4/08


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Mic ... Because when someone says to me that I am a "so-called Christian" that person is saying that I am not a Christian.

And when it is said about everyone here, it means we are none of us are Christians.

And you think it is I who is causing dissention?
---alan_of_UK on 12/4/08


steveng- brother youre correct. I dont recall you ever saying someone wasnt Christian.

Mainly because Christians arent all at the same level of the Knowledge of God.

Remember, Romans 14:13-15
Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way. As one who is in the Lord Jesus, I am fully convinced that no food is unclean in itself. But if anyone regards something as unclean, then for him it is unclean.If your brother is distressed because of what you eat, you are no longer acting in love. Do not by your eating destroy your brother for whom Christ died.
---miche3754 on 12/4/08


Steveng ... I suppose I might not recognise Jesus. I suspect He will be very different to what any of us expect!

But at least my somewhat audacious comment has extracted from you an admission that you are not Jesus. Or rather you have not made the claim to be Jesus,

Since then you are not Jesus, why should we accept your judgement as being perfect when you call us all "so-called Christians"?

"Just because you call me Lord ... " says that not all are saved, whereas you seem to think it means that everyone (except of course you) who calls Him Lord is only a "so-called Christian"
---alan_of_UK on 12/4/08


Steveng ... You use a lot of words ... but it obscures your false claim that you are the only Christian here, for you call all the rest of us "so-called Christian"

AS to your question: "If every person was a Christian on these blogs, who would you disagree? Should all Christians be of one spirit? If this were so, then there wouldn't be disagreements" ... I regard myself as being in one spirit with most here (except those who arrogantly claim to be the sole guardians of the whole truth) ... detail differences of understanding do not destroy that one spirit.

But by your attitude (every one else being "so-called Christians") you take yourself out of that spirit.
---alan_of_UK on 12/4/08


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A of UK:You have changed immensely and I wonder why.You provoke disagree incite uncharacteristic of the Alan I knew.
---Mic on 12/3/08


alan_of_UK: "If you were Jesus, I would accept your perfect judgment."

How would you know for sure?

"I have disagreed with many (most) here, but have never accused any of being nonChristian"

If every person was a Christian on these blogs, who would you disagree? Should all Christians be of one spirit? If this were so, then there wouldn't be disagreements.

"In reality, it is you who puts us away, because we don't agree with you, by calling us all "so-called Christians""

No, it's the Bible who puts us away for it says, "Just becasue you call me Lord..."
---Steveng on 12/3/08


Mostly politics is to take pride in one so called leader over another?

For, the realties of this wicked and adulterous generation produce such fruits as pandering to cohorts without genuine follow through and commitment at many times. For these are worldly leaders to be submitted to (at most times) but that these great people of the world, the rich of Babylon, are subject to forces beyond their abilities and powers that cannot even recognize sometimes. Namely the deceiver, the devil, who has footholds for his works in influencing people to rule without Wisdom in evil by ways that seem 'right' to them, instead of what is Good by God.
---jack_david on 12/3/08


Steveng ... I asked if you were Jesus because I wondered whether you were right in calling everyone else here "so-called Christians"

If you were Jesus, I would accept your perfect judgment.

You say this to me "If any godly man or women or prophet that had the truth and you didn't agree with them, you would certainly put them away as being nonChristian"

No and the record proves it ... I have disagreed with many (most) here, but have never accused any of being nonChristian

In reality, it is you who puts us away, because we don't agree with you, by calling us all "so-called Christians"
---alan_of_UK on 12/3/08


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alan_of_UK: "Are you Jesus ?"

Why does one need to be Jesus? There are many godly men and women in the bible who are not Jesus, but have the truth. If any godly man or women or prophet that had the truth and you didn't agree with them, you would certainly put them away as being nonChristian.
---Steveng on 12/2/08


If a person did nothing but quote all of God's word, would that person be always right?
Scripture witnesses scripture. the mouth of two witnesses, or at mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.
Deuteronomy 19:14-16 trav.

If a person paraphrased everything God said, would that person be always right?

let your communication be, Yea, yea, Nay, nay: whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.
Matthew 5:36-38 trav.

If what a person says guided by the Holy Sprit, that person always right?
He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit.
1 Thessalonians 4:7-9
---Trav on 12/2/08


markv,
sometimes it just isn't going to work by saying "you are right" or "you are wrong"
Sometimes, we have to step back and let God work, brother.
Argueing obviously does not solve anything.
This has been going on since the Beginning and won't end until Christ returns.
We are suppose to edify, not call names or say you are just flat out wrong.
Mature Christians know that the Word of God says we are not suppose to cause our brother or sister to stumble. If they must have the sabbath then give them the sabbath. In fact,
read Romans 14:20, 1 Corinthians 10:32
Sometimes, brother, it is better to take the High road.
---miche3754 on 12/2/08


Miche, the real church of Christ is not divided. It is a spiritual church where Jesus is the Head of that Church. I know you know this so everyone here is not our brothers in Christ. It is important to keep the topics as close as possible without bringing anything against another individual, but sometimes they have to be answered. Sometimes not.
I believe that everyone has an opinion depending on how they were taught. But the Truth has to be defended. Some here don't like that you speak against their doctrines so they attack you as an individual. I warned Anne about that. She is kind and wants to get along with everyone but the children of God and the children of the enemy are not friends. There is a division there.
---MarkV. on 12/2/08


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We should not dishonor Christ in this way by bickering over who is right and who is wrong.
1 Corinthians 1:10-31
10>Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.
11>For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12>Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul, and I of Apollos, and I of Cephas, and I of Christ.
13>Is Christ divided? was Paul crucified for you? or were ye baptized in the name of Paul?
cont....
---miche3754 on 12/2/08


cont...
1 Corinthians 1:10-31
14>I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius,
15>Lest any should say that I had baptized in mine own name.
16>And I baptized also the household of Stephanas: besides, I know not whether I baptized any other.
17>For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18>For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness, but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19>For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.


Cont...
---miche3754 on 12/2/08


Sreveng ... If I did say the same to Jesus, I would be wrong, and it would be because I did not recognise him as Jesus.

But I say it to you, because you are not Jesus.

But unless you are Jesus, I am right to say it to you.

nless you are Jesus, you like everyone else is offreing your own particular interpretation, and like everyone else, you arer not 100% correct inthat nterpretation.

But unlike most others, you insist that everyone else is wrong, & only you are at all right. But you can't be unless you are Jesus.

Are you Jesus ?
---alan_of_UK on 12/2/08


Mark :Satan is the deceiver,you got the wrong Guy as a scapegoat.I attend the sacraments regularly so have no fear of your reprisals.That is my choice you are unfortunately NOT open to correction inspite of YOUR apostacy and your claim of'Lord is my life"YOUR Enigma, which is unexplainable to this forum or The god who you say you love.
---Mic on 12/1/08


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Mark :Satan is the deceiver,you got the wrong Guy as a scapegoat.I attend the sacraments regularly so have no fear of your reprisals.That is my choice you are unfortunately NOT open to correction inspite of YOUR apostacy and your claim of'Lord is my life"YOUR Enigma, which is unexplainable to this forum or The god who you say you love.
---Mic on 12/1/08


alan_of_UK: "The greatest delusion in the history of mankind are those who think that only they are right. And that includes a few denominational churches ... and it seems to include YOU"

If Jesus were here on earth today, you would say the same thing to him - and he's always right. If a person did nothing but quote all of God's word, would that person be always right? If a person paraphrased everything God said, would that person be always right? If what a person says guided by the Holy Sprit, would that person be always right?
---Steveng on 12/1/08


Mic, you can continue to keep satan in your mine and heart if you want, and bring him as your supporter whenever you want to cut someone down, that is your choice.
My choice is to follow Jesus Christ, who is Lord of my life.
---MarkV. on 11/30/08


Mark"-It is you who by snide remarks bring Satan in, you read Half a post and comment.Mans interpretation is not of God but of Himself misguided by satan.You ignore this truth.As a apostate Catholic you should know the word is selected and taught to us by the H/S, Does this happen in your denomination if you have one.? Satan says the Same many denominations are great BUT GOD SAYS Matt16:13-19 GREATER/Greatest!One Holy catholic apostolic church "his church"Remember a house divided against itself cannot stand.You realise this I presume. or do ou still think you are better and MORE CORRECT than Jesus word.
---Mic on 11/30/08


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Alan of Uk :-Like I said Friend he is making a confession and is changed.May he continue to do so to love and serve the lord.:-)
---Mic on 11/30/08


Mic, you say "that studying is the devils word." Again you bring satan into our discussions as your supporter to proof your point about studying, and again you cannot help yourself.
Let me say that if you don't support the use of studying the Word of God you will never learn about God. But as I know already you have the RCC to believe in, I have the Word of God in which I believe in by faith.
Your idea that we have many denominations is bad, I say it is great. As a true believer you can go and check them out. If the Holy Spirit is in you, you will be able to know which ones preach Christ and Him crucified. If you don't have the Holy Spirit, you will continue to believe what they teach you and remain lost forever.
---MarkV. on 11/30/08


Mic ... The reason I said what I said was because I do't think S realises he admitting a guilt as a guilty party!
---alan_of_UK on 11/30/08


Alan of Uk :-I would have left it alone but since He is making a declaration which is like a confession,involving Himself as a denom why then do you take him to task.This is not like you friend.He is admitting a guilt as a guilty party.
---Mic on 11/29/08


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Steveng ... "The greatest delusion in the history of mankind are the denominational churches and anything associated with them"

No, The greatest delusion in the history of mankind are those who think that only they are right. And that includes a few denominational churches ... and it seems to include YOU
---alan_of_UK on 11/28/08


Mark:"Denominations started by Man's different points of view on small issues"-TRUE but Different points of view have given rise to 33000 different MANS POV in denominations.Would you therefore say Man is right and God is wrong?STUDY is a devils word,B/c it is misleading to various interpretations -why do you think He satan employed this deceptive method? The true word is TRUST and Follow.Apostating is also a mans different Point of View.But here we are dealing with GOD's VIEW , not mans or satan's snide affiliations.
---Mic on 11/28/08


steven, I will pray for you because you seem to have a lot of animosity.
God is the final judge, not you not anyone else.
God knows my heart, and I do pray for those in authority. Just as the fellowship I attend does.
Now whether you do or do not that is you personal business between you and God.
And, you already know that I study diligently. Ask others who post here.
Anyway, what ever hatred you are caring, I pray that you get rid of it because it is coming across in your post and that is very un Christian . Unless of course you aren't Christian. I don't know, only God knows that.
God bless!
---miche3754 on 11/28/08


Steven, the point I was trying to make is that you will find fault anywhere you go. Man is a sinner and always tries to contrive things for himself. Many denominations are very close to others in teachings and differ in so little. Some are real bad and I believe when a person is truely born of the Spirit, the Spirit will convict him that he is not in a place where God wants him to be. He will feel that conviction and leaves. Some denominations have fallen completely and anyone still attending as far as I am concern are not been led by the Spirit. Meeting of people who are saved is always a good thing because they can help each other, in not only Spiritual needs but other needs. God wants to use you Steven but you have to let Him.
---MarkV. on 11/28/08


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StevenG, you said, "tell me if I am crazy" I will tell you that you are not crazy just confused. Satan is not the Creator of anything, God is. Denominations, started by man who had different points of view on small issues. It doesn't mean they have the wrong essentials of the Christian faith.
What you experienced when you went through the country wounded and hurt you. I am sorry for God could be using you each day now in a positive way.
Most every evangelical denominations have the same essentials of the faith. Sure many disagree with others, but it has to do with how much they study, how much the Lord has revealed to them, and of course who is teaching them, plus we are all sinners in need of Christ every day.
---MarkV. on 11/28/08


miche3754: "...passing judgement on me... You pass judgement on all when all are not that way."

Don't you give me that "don't judge me" hogwash. That's a lame excuse by a Christians and nonChristians alike. You are so vain to think that you cannot be judged. Go back and study the Bible, having the Holy Spirit as your guide, about how to judge.

"...and the fellowship I attend when you are not there to know the truth?"

The greatest delusion in the history of mankind are the denominational churches and anything associated with them.
---Steveng on 11/28/08


Alan of Uk:-"To err is human to forgive is divine"We are human. The greatest saints have experienced this problem so it was Just a statement of fact.Each must be true to oneself.I know I get sometimes side tracked friend,but then I an human.
---Mic on 11/27/08


Mic ... Most of us are not at all good at prayer, and get distracted.

Yes God does notice, but He understands, and still accepts the prayers.

I think by "mouth off" Steveng meant pray without real thought and sinceriry ... a serious accusation, but without any foundation. He is bold and insulting to make that accusation.

I think rote is a slightly different issue There is a danger in praying by rote, because it can become without thought. But if taken thoughfully, (and not gabbled) the Lord's Prayer & your RC Rosary (and other formal prayers) will be reminders of the things God want us to pray about, and can lead us into the deepest prayer and contemplation.
---alan_of_UK on 11/27/08


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Alan of Uk:About Prayer?Are we experts at prayer?or hold the monopoly over praying?are we good at it?Most people try to pray but are distracted by things which infitrate the mind, loosing ones focus.Does God notice this ?How often while in prayer we discover our mind is engaged in some other project?Some of the greatest saints have had this difficulty.Yes God does notice but like a loving Father he knows the intention behind the prayer and this is what He Sees. Romans 8:26It is true people say prayer by rote (mouth off)The prayer is to God and not the Bystander who is also distracted!!!
---Mic on 11/27/08


again, steveng,
I am asking why you accuse me?
I know that the fellowship I attend DOES pray for the President and all those in authority.
So I am trying to figure out why are you passing judgement on me and the fellowship I attend when you are not there to know the truth?
You pass judgement on all when all are not that way.
And then when I ask if you do, you insult me. Why? and mic, why do you agree with this when it is a very un Christian attitude?
I may not agree with whom ever is in office, but I still pray for them.
---miche3754 on 11/27/08


Steveng "All denominations teach their congregation how to pray certain prayers - it's tradition"

And it appears to be your tradition to say that those prayers are merely "mouthed", and not properly meant, and that members of denominations (except for your own personal non-denominational denomination) do not have "a strong personal relationship with God" which you seem to claim uniquely for yourself.

"Satan is the father of confusion" It dfollows that satan is the father of your own particular non-denomination. Are you happy to be in it?
---alan_of_UK on 11/27/08


Steveng ... What you say proves my point.

It shows you as being among the most bigoted people here. And like another here, you equate yourself to Jesus.
---alan_of_UK on 11/27/08


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alan_of_UK: "Steveng was saying that all denominational churches just mouth their prayers, and don't mean them really."

All denominations teach their congregation how to pray certain prayers - it's tradition.

"Does he not realise that thereby he is turning his own non-denominationalism into a denomiation."

Even a non-denomination is a denomination. What I have is a strong personal relationship with God. And I don't need to go through a denomination.

"Like other denominations, he thinks HE has go the truth & no-one else."

You would say the same thing if Jesus was standing in front of you.
---Steveng on 11/26/08


Alan of UK/Mische:-Truth is a bitter pill like quinnine,but it kills the malarial germ.Steveng speaks the truth and I for one offer 2 Timothy4:1-4 as evidence of this truth.
---Mic on 11/26/08


alan_of_UK, miche3754:

I stand firm about what I said.

If most of the people on these blogs are Christian, why are there as many opinions about one specific topic as there are books in the Bible. We have over 3,300 different major Christian denominations teaching their own traditions, ways of living, and interpretations of the Bible. Satan is the father of confusion. He is also the creator of denominational churches pitting one denomination against another. Even Christians within a denomination bicker about whose church is better. There is no harmony among Christians. There is no one spirit. There is no true love.

A challenge: for one year visit every different type of church, keep a journal, then tell me if I'm crazy.
---Steveng on 11/26/08


miche3754, spew all the verses you want, but it will not change what is happening in today's Christiandom. It's wonderful that you can quote scripture to argue your point. Heathens can do the same. In fact, even Satan does the same to convince Chrisitans he is right.

It is written that in the last days there will be a great falling away. A great delusion will be created by Satan that even the elect will be fooled by it. If the elect can be fooled into believing it, how much more will Christians believe it. Many Chritians believe going to "church" is good, but they bicker among each other about whose church is better. Open your eyes to see what is happening in the world and ask yourself, "what is the true church?"
---Steveng on 11/26/08


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Miche ... Steveng was saying that all denominational churches just mouth their prayers, and don't mean them really.

Does he not realise that thereby he is turning his own non-denominationalism into a denomiation.

Like other denominations, he thinks HE has go the truth & no-one else.
---alan_of_UK on 11/26/08


steven,
what are you talking about?
Brother, please check yourself.
Nobody has bad mouthed you and why are you on the defense?
I stated truth. Not lipservice.
I certainly could have cared less who won. Neither cndidate was acceptable to me. But I still pray for the winner. How about you?
Are you one of the ones you are pointing at?
Maybe this is why you brought it up and accuse me.
Like I said, check yourself, first.
---miche3754 on 11/26/08


miche3754: "steveng,
don't be so negative. That is not true.
My church body does every time we gather to worship."

There is a huge difference between just mouthing the words and believing them in the heart. In your worldly denominational churches, people just mouth the prayer, but not believe it in their hearts. They do it because everyone else is doing it. They are merely sheep, puppets on a string.
---Steveng on 11/25/08


steveng,
don't be so negative. That is not true.
My church body does every time we gather to worship.
God says we are suppose to do this right?
of course.1 Timothy 2:1-5
maybe, we should have every single Christian in the United States pray for our President and our Leaders. "
The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much."
(James 5:16)
If we all do this, God will show up in our country and show off. God can fix it all!
Luke 1:37
"For with God, nothing is impossible"
---miche3754 on 11/25/08


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Steveng>>>You are half right. However, if a leader is not going to stay in prayer, and honor the one, true, living, God, then he or she is doomned for failure. There are lost of scriptures to back me up on this. Have a good day as unto the Lord or this day will count for zero. [Read Proverbs 21:30].
---catherine on 11/25/08


Anne: In an interview with Rick Warren, Obama stated that he believes marriage should be between a man and a woman. He also said that the issue of gay marriage should be left to the individual states to decide, and that he believed that civil unions would be appropriate because a person who makes a life commitment to someone should be able to visit them in a hospital and participate in medical decisions for that person, just as a next of kin does in regular relationships. Big difference between that and allowing marriages.
---Trish9863 on 11/25/08


It really doesn't matter who becomes president. If Christians pray for their leaders, God whould certainly guide him in the right direction. Unfortunealy, there are no Christians in America to pray for their leaders so whoever is chosen, Amercia is doomed.
---Steveng on 11/24/08


Trish~ sorry, you have a point there.
---Anne on 11/24/08


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Anne: Do you have a clue as to what exactly is Obama's stand on gay marriage, or are you just parroting what the religious right says about him?
---Trish9863 on 11/24/08


I think McCain would have been the better candidate because especially in social issues (gay marriage concerns, abortion issue etc.), he is more true to God's word.

However, I do not worry about who was chosen as the leader, for God truly allows all that happens to happen, and He is in perfect control...not some group of polititians.
---Anne on 11/24/08


I believe that Obama is more patriotic than Mc Cain.Mc Cain is a survivor.Being a prisoner of war doesn't make one more patriotic than anyone else. However, I do agree that Obama needs to get his prolife act together and understand that a zygote or tiny embryo is a potential adult human being. What Obama needs at this time is prayer. Prayer can make a difference in Obama's policy.
---Seymour on 11/22/08


Well, the people got their Saul. That is what the Prophets of God are saying. Dutch Sheets in particular. I know some of you don't believe or hear what the Prophets are saying, but Obama is NOT God's choice - he is the people's choice just like Saul was.

We, the United States of America, are in for God's judgements coming upon this earth. Obama will lead us right into the Tribulation.

Keep your ears open to what Obama says about Israel & Jerusalem. If he says that they should be made into 2 separate states, he is dead wrong.
---donna8365 on 11/10/08


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McCain and Palin: I support bipartisan efforts on meaningful issues and more than anyone running McCain has shown he is willing and has numerous times crossed party lines to work out deals with all interested parties. I support the candidate with the most experience, McCain. I support the candidate that most closely matches my beliefs on the right to life, McCain. I support a qualified woman as a running mate, McCain/Palin. I support a commander and chief that can command respect from the troops, McCain.
---chris on 11/3/08


RitaH-

Most of our presidential campaigns have not been nearly as long as this one (which got an early start). This one has been far too long, I think...although it has given us time to become acquainted with a couple of heretofore relatively unknown candidates.

Everyone here will be glad to see it end. As you can tell from these blogs it has been intensely emotional. It has been exhausting.
I'm hoping that some of the bitterness between factions will be healed after the election, so that we may work constructively on some bipartisan projects.
---Donna66 on 11/3/08


Thanks Donna, that makes it slightly clearer but I'm surprised that people can vote for anyone they want - even those not on the ballot paper. Your elections are more different from ours than I realised.

I think ours are easier to understand and they don't go on for as long.
---RitaH on 11/3/08


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