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I Have Lost Everything

When I gave my life to God it seems that over the course of the 2 years I have lost everything, my family, my possessions and my health. Do you have to lose everything to have a relationship with God?

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 ---ron on 12/10/08
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I read in Anne Graham Lotz book, "I Saw the Lord" that God is like a goldsmith. He does not remove us from the fire until He sees His reflection in the gold. That's a pretty powerful statement.
It truly means that God allows us to have trials so we can see His work in our lives. It draws us closer than ever to the One who created the plan for our life to begin with. It makes us wake up to the important part of this Christ-like.
I know...I've been there.
---Terre on 3/23/09

NO! But you will lose something very precious to you. [God may require it] It might be your freedom, or your family, mabe possessions. But God promises to give back to you, much more. We have no strength of our own to serve God. We serve God by His power and strength. [For we have none of our own].
---catherine on 3/9/09

when we decide to take the step in accepting Jesus as our Lord and Saviour, we are setting ourselves apart from the people of this world,setting a standard for ourselves acceptable to God.And yes alot of times it will hurt and you will feel like nobody cares but keep in mind that even the most priceless diamond has to go through the fire first before it shows its true worth. Hold steadfast onto Him and meditate on his word and have faith that he will bring you through this trying time. Remember Job was petitioned by the devil yet he was steadfast to his faith and at the end received more than before...May God Bless you....
---Laisani on 3/9/09

Ron, are you saved by the grace of God? Galatians 2:20-21. If you are, consider yourself blessed and be thankful.

Please read James Chapter one. This is something which you will not hear in most Churches, even though it is written in scripture.

False teachers have people chasing after the things of this world which are temporal, but scripture teaches we are to set our sights on things above which are eternal, Matthew 12:13-34.

Ron, be encouraged.
---Rob on 3/8/09

No I do not believe that God is punishing you. If you are saved then the Bible declares that you are justified by your faith. To be justified means that you are declared innocent by God and a good God would not punish a innocent child!!!!!it is more likely going on is that God has a plan for your life that you may not be aware of, the book of Jer. God declared that before we were formed in our mother's womb He knew us and He sancitified, (set apart) us. That means that God had a plan for you before you had a pulse. If you look at Gen 12:1 God told Abram to get out and away from every thing he knew so that we God when God spoke there would be no distractions. I believe that the things that you have lost constitute your Lots.
---ApostleDLWallace on 3/7/09

Stating that loss is the manifestation of punishment is incorrect. Loss comes when people abandon, desert or use what is called "tough love". Yeshua calls upon us to Love one another. No where does He say, "take everything from your neighbor. Take advantage of other's bad times." He says, "take off your coat and give it to the one who asks for your shirt"... I lived for 6 years in a state that refused to give me gainful employment, a safe place to sleep, food that was nourishing and protection from harm. I lived through it by Grace , Compassion, the Guidance and Direction of the Holy Spirit. You will survive, but you will sustain "marks of the mission". God Bless His Children.
---Sarah on 3/7/09

I feel led to say this . . . The lord will restore to you what the locusts have eaten. He is a god of restoration. One last thing the power to overcome is in the blood.
---Julie on 3/7/09

I truely don't understand some of the people on here. They act as if "they" know all. Christians are suppose to be meek, mild, kind and loving and not judgemental. I do understand what Ron is going through,It took me years to understand that I was not giving ALL to God, I prayed for certain things in life I got all of it. I lost all of that and more. I blame myself, at this point I hadn't given my whole self to God. Now,God blesses me daily, I learned the most valuable lesson of my life by losing everything, I was homeless and very sick. That is when I gave me, all of me to God. Little by little, God has picked me up,dusted me off. I am fine now. God is awesome.
---ella on 3/7/09

But maybe you need to take a long walk. Find people who really dont have anything at all. Those that have to find garbage cans to eat. Maybe the lord wants you to talk to them, so you can see clearly all the things you do have.

I mean, you say you lost everything. I dont know you or you me.
I have to ask you, have you really lost everything.

Stop right now! Put a bible in your hand and look at it. You are holding the word of God in your hand right now.

What is this worth, some will not do even this!

How much will some paid, not knowing the time of his coming?

God bless you
You have been called!
---TheSeg on 3/6/09

peace be with you,friend. i welcome you to the family of God,first. now,what ever was your life before the lord it was sin in death. now,you must trust in the lord in all things. good or bad. this is your lesson in your christian life. remeber, the lord made a promise to you, i am with you always. in the past you trusted in man. man, can't help you to the kingdom. the lord is purifing you and preparing you for the day you see Him in His glory. you must trust in the lord as much as abram. reflect on his call of sacrifice (his own son).through all your trials keep your eyes on the lord. Peace be with you always,friend.
---jason on 3/6/09

Did you feel you needed punishment for your past? This can Manifest loss.
God says Love Thyself. include Forgiveness for your past. Talk to God often ask for guidance. Ask the angels for assistance, They'll love, guide, protect you. Make Clear Your Needs. Give Thanks for All You Have no matter how seemingly small. Sometimes we think we are loosing things because we give our lives to God. could it be God Clearing the Path? This is not to say that your wife is not good enough for you. Your Life's Path has changed, so must the things in it. Was your wife receptive to your change? No Blame should be appointed. Even when we err, God Loves us as a Parent Loves a Child. If your parents were harsh or abusive this can be a challenge to overcome.
---Karen on 3/6/09

Sharon, I am so sorry to hear that you and your children are estranged. That would surely break my heart. I am so blessed to have a good, though long distance, relationship with each of my children. God has healed many wounds from my marriage and divorce, and my children have forgiven many mistakes I made while raising them. It took a lot of humility and repentance on my part to help toward that end, but God was gracious in allowing them to forgive me. I have learned a great deal from them, and my confessions and amends toward them.
---Trish9863 on 12/29/08

I have not heard from my children, grandchildren and maternal relatives for about 8 years now, and I have only been able to survive the grief because of God's promises: never to leave me, all things come together for the good of those who love the Lord, etc. It was satan's work that tore our family apart shortly after I committed myself to the Lord's teachings. It was the most HORRIBLE and GRIEVOUS experience of my fifty plus years! Even so, without the experience, I would not be as close to the Lord as I am now, nor be at this place of peace inner joy had I not experienced the family trauma. There is hope with God!
---Sharon on 12/28/08

.ron, God may be testing your love for him, or else the enemy may be destroying you: do you love God more than everything? Do you know that he can do anything at all? Temper you in the furnace? Change you? Make you more wise, more faithful, spiritual, more intimate, trusting, more knowing him, healthy, more pure, righteous and holy, etc? If not, please learn this, use this tribulation to reach out and cry out to him completely in total abandonment up to his Almighty help. God is perfect, above reproach, and ultimately in complete control over all his creation. Repent and Call upon Jesus, ask him for forgiveness and to come into your heart and life, and worship his holiness. He is merciful, and his lovingkindness endures onto all generations.
---Eloy on 12/27/08

People lose gifts given to them all the time, and some throw them away for sin: it is called backsliding and falling from grace.
---Eloy on 12/23/08

no, you cannot lose the gift of salvation
It is God's gift to you

Ask Him to help you to know that you are "saved" by His precious blood and He will never leave you
---sarah on 12/22/08

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so my point is,if you loose everything of this world,but are saved,what have you really lost?NOTHING, but as the bible says,for what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but looses his soul.
---tom2 on 12/22/08


Thanks. I try not to judge people, because I know that I generally don't possess all the facts (and I CERTAINLY don't possess the wisdom of Solomon). I have also lost a few friends in the past who have just decided not to have anything more to do with me (without even telling me why), so I am very keenly aware of how painful it is to be judged unfairly, without even having a chance to defend oneself.
---StrongAxe on 12/22/08

So sorry about what has been happening to you. I will pray for you. If there is anything I can do to help just let me know.
---KarenD on 12/21/08

Irene: I come from a place of understanding the struggles of a young Christian. When I was young in the faith, I fell away several times, because I did not have enough knowledge of God to understand trials. I would return and then stop attending church for a while, and then stop for a while. I now understand trials and can speak from a place of faith.

You are right, SusieB does show arrogance.
---Trish9863 on 12/21/08

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Irene...Last time I checked, the Bible promotes discernment as a gift of the Holy Ghost.
---SusieB on 12/21/08

You must be wondering now if giving your life to Christ was worth it and I KNOW it is.You have something far more precious than anything else in this world and that's peace of mind.You can go to sleep without dreading not waking up and you can live life without the fear of the end because you knw you'll be in Paradise.Sometimes you lose what you have because God didn't give it to you to begin with any gift from him won't be taken away.He hasn't forsaken or forgotten you.The righteous are never forsaken.You gave him your life now trust him.READ and STUDY his word, talk to him and surround yourself with other believers so they can build you up.With God on your team you can NEVER lose.You're in my prayers.
---April on 12/21/08

Trish & Strong Axe, Thank you and God Bless you for coming to Ron's defence with a true Christlike attitude. Unfortunately satan uses others to discourage and turn new Christians away from God, and it's understandable why some fall away. From what I see, none of us have heard the WHOLE story, so have no business judging anything. Proverbs says "he that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him". We're admonished to "bear one another's burdens & so fulfill the love of God". The Bible also speaks against pride which Susie B. shows with her promoting herself as being discerning. Satan is the accuser of the brethern.
---Irene_M. on 12/20/08

Ron I think what happened to you is you listened to a Pastor who had no touch with peoples feelings. It wasn't his place to structure your life. He should have given you Bible verses to cover your situation and left you to seek God. I've no doubt if he had let God lead you instead of him,God would have talked to you and told you what to do about the girlfriend. You must always be led by the Spirit and not man. Man doesn't know how God is working to line your life up with His Word. A woman told me,I am going to Heaven,at the time she was married to an abusive husband and having an affair with another man,I told her you must line your life up with God's Word. She divorced,married another man,he became a Pastor and she a Pastor's wife.
---Darlene_1 on 12/20/08

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Maybe not most of the time. But, yes, GOD does call for some of His followers to go through that experience. Abraham is a prime example. Job, also went through that. It tests are willingness to follow and obey. Obedience is BIG with the LORD. He will reward faithfully, in His time, for your obedience!
---Gordon on 12/20/08

when you have a relationship with God you have everything.whether you havefamily,possessions,or health,though important to the flesh and the life of the world,jesus taught that he had no family.when you are born again and know the lord you have the brass ring,you have eternal life,whether you loose all or not,whether we understand or not we are richer than the world can comprehend.and than most of us realize.
---tom2 on 12/19/08

during my life i have lost the mother of my children too divorce,still love her after26 years.been bankrupt several times.10 years ago was diagnosed with a dilated cardiomyopathy.but still I know God loves me,still i know who my redemerer is,still i walk in love.yes i have lost everything of this world , more than once,but at 60 i still love and obey,still know that life is not in, or of this world,but is in jesus.
---tom2 on 12/19/08

SusieB: When one of my ministers was ordained, he took an oath of confidentiality. Most ministers do, at least the ones I know. Scam or not, Bruce and Elder, hopefully, will not reveal any of the communication they receive from Ron. That is the way counseling is supposed to take place. In my work with my patients, I cannot reveal anything revealed to me by them.
---Trish9863 on 12/19/08

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The key words here are "fellow Christians". I would not expect a true Christian man who counsels another to devulge that information. However, I would expect a scam to be revealed.
---SusieB on 12/19/08

Trish9863: "StevenG, and SusieB: I find both of you to be humorous here. Ron has more insight than a lot of the supposedly mature believers here. He came here confessing he fell away, and asking for help. Instead he received self-righteous rebukes, and finger pointing."

My first post comforted him. My second post was directed to someone else. My third post was to bring shame to him. When a Christian sins, a fellow Christian must show him his error. If he didn't repent, a fellow Christian must bring in another person. If he still doesn't repent, the pastor is brought in. When a Christian sins and others are brought into the matter, the sinner feels ashamed and will more than likely repent, eh?
---Steveng on 12/18/08

Bruce, Thank you for being the honorable Christian man that I always believed you to be. It is right that you will keep Ron's communication with you private, as we do not need to know.

May Ron be blessed from his communication with you and Elder. He could not have two better men to help him.
---Trish9863 on 12/18/08

Ron is now in touch privately with two guys who will try to help him. His talk with them should be confidential

Unless Ron wishes to report back, let it remain private.
---a on 12/18/08

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Not a chance.
---BRUCE5656 on 12/17/08

SusieB: The verse says if a brother is in sin, well, IF you believe this brother is lying, then we are to restore him GENTLY. Your frankness and honesty is anything but GENTLE.

I happen to be very frank and very honest with a lot of my students and patients, BUT, I am also gentle with them in order to help them get honest with themselves and me first. After they TRUST my intentions are for good, then I am frank and honest about what I see.

You have it backwards.
---Trish9863 on 12/17/08

Trish...I don't believe his story. Any problem with that? It's called a frank and honest discussion. I know it's hard for you psychological professionals to understand.
---SusieB on 12/17/08

To those Godly men who have been accepted by Ron to counsel him, please update this blog as to the true reason for this question as soon as it becomes apparent to you. Thank you brothers!
---SusieB on 12/17/08

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I have heard it said that, sadly, the Army of God is the only military force in the world that shoots its own wounded.
---StrongAxe on 12/17/08

StevenG, and SusieB: I find both of you to be humorous here. Ron has more insight than a lot of the supposedly mature believers here. He came here confessing he fell away, and asking for help. Instead he received self-righteous rebukes, and finger pointing.

Galatians 6
Doing Good to All
1Brothers, if someone is caught in a sin, you who are spiritual should restore him gently. But watch yourself, or you also may be tempted.

Both of you seem to miss the part of this verse that says, "restore him GENTLY."
---Trish9863 on 12/16/08

ron: "I really find you to be a quite bitter,self righteous person and it is really people like you that turn people off from Christians... I really think that you need to seek discernment as to when to give advice and when to keep your self righteousness to your self."

You fell from grace and you're telling someone that they need help? Give me a break. If you really think about it, if Jesus posted on these blogs or if you met Jesus on the street today, you, too, would call him selfrighteous. This is what is going to happen to the two witnesses - Christians will not recognize them.
---Steveng on 12/16/08

Thank you for all of the great advice folks!It has been refreshing to get as much great input as I have...I have connected with a couple of believers that are able and willing to help me(Bruce and Elder)so I am again thanking you for your help and Susie I really find you to be a quite bitter,self righteous person and it is really people like you that turn people off from Christians.You claim to have discernment but that would be impossible as you don't know me or my situation.I really think that you need to seek discernment as to when to give advice and when to keep your self righteousness to your self. I thought I had a real problem but then I hear from someone like you that needs prayer and help way more that I do...
---ron on 12/16/08

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pg1: "SusieB, ...He demonstrated true repentance by making changes in accordance with his decision to follow Christ. So where is the sin in his situation? "

Have you not read the parable of The Sower? Some seeds fell on rock, rooted, and dried out.
---Steveng on 12/15/08

from one summit to another, we must experience a bottom.
but if i am happy and in love, i think i am already on the summit of God.
---dsda on 12/15/08


I'm sorry to hear you're having such problems. It didn't help that your pastor offered you only lip service (and nobody else in church helped either).

I've heard a prayer used by people outside the church: "Lord, deliver me from your worshipers!". Sadly, this often has merit. Don't let some flaky Christians damage your relationship with God. Find a church where people LIVE their faith instead of of just preaching it at others.

Also, tithing is an Old Testament law, to support the tribe of Levi who had no land. It is never taught in the New Testament. Even so, it was on the INCREASE (net), not the INCOME (gross) - so money that comes in and immediately goes out to pay rent and bills would not count.
---StrongAxe on 12/14/08

Do we have to lose everything to have a relationship with Christ? No. Must we be willing to? That's a stickier question. God has a Master Plan. Each of us has a role. Just as a parent nudges a child back on track, God sometimes nudges us. If He isn't getting our attention in the midst of our successes, He may allow unpleasantness. Rest assured, He has a greater plan than you can imagine (Romans 8:28). Your faith question of the day is, Do you trust Him to do what is best for you, even if it is unpleasant?
---Carrie on 12/13/08

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no. God doesnt take away, he abundantly gives.
* Jesus said that the devil steals, kills and destroys but that He (Jesus) came that we have life in abundance.
* seek first the kingdom of God, study God's word to find answers and promises that assure you and get everything back that you lost.
- your not like Job until you do.
---opalgal on 12/13/08

Did you pay your tithes? Did you put other things in front of God, making God your last priority? If yes then I wonder why you lost all you had. If God don't come #1 in your life, he doesn't come at all. I've learned that the hard way. There are some things I would like to have, but if I never receive those things, then it won't be the end of the world. All I know is whatever I need or my family needs, God always provides. He even supplies some of my wants. But I don't fret over things I don't need but want.
---Rebecca_D on 12/12/08

I'd say it is good to provide for your children, as well as you can. But if you can live in a separate place, while you help her and the kids. And make sure you really belong with each other in marriage. Are you both developing as Christians? This would be an indication. I don't think tithes is New Testament > now we give ourselves to God and His obedient leaders (2 Corinthians 8:5), and together we have wisdom to work things out. I got to praying that God make me truly obedient so I could detect and connect with whoever His obedient pastor would be. And I now have TWO apparently for-real pastors. And I have suffered injury, but because of ambition making me unprayerful while working. We need to improve in humility and patience.
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/12/08

Ron...Callous??? Discernment is what it's called. The Lord is coming back soon and we all need to be waiting for HIS return no matter what the circumstances. You can go on making your little tale longer and longer. It doesn't change the fact that Jesus is coming back. And, if you are calling the truth self-righteousness, you got a problem.
---SusieB on 12/12/08

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The think people forget is that when they give themselves 100% to JESUS, it is not to an organization. So, if you really give yourself 100% TO JESUS, you don't want to take it back because you remember where you came from. JESUS didn't take back what HE did for us.
---SusieB on 12/12/08

We are to consider it joy (rejoice) when we go through trials, because we are sharing in the cruifiction of Christ. It will also make us mature and complete James 1:2-4
---Leslie on 12/12/08

Susie...thank you for your touching story.Now I can see where your callousness comes from but where does the selfrighteousness come from?Thanks but no thanks for advice...not from you please!
---ron on 12/12/08

Bruce...sorry I misinformed you I do not have an ID,I deleted it but I will get a new one and will get ahold of you,I have read your blog posts and see that you give very sound scriptual advice and would love to let you try and help...thanks!
---ron on 12/12/08

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"Do you have to lose everything to have a relationship with God?" No.
However "No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for [service in] the kingdom of God." Forget those things which are behind and reach forth unto those things which are before you. "For I reckon that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed. Seek first the 'kingdom of God'-the reign of His Spirit within-and His righteousness,-a righteousness that is of Him through faith-and all these things [family, possession Etc.] shall be added unto you." Father knows those things which you have need of and He takes pleasure in the prosperity of His servants.
---Josef on 12/12/08

When I was 9 years old, I awoke in the middle of the night to see my mother dead in her bed in the same room where we five kids were sleeping in the railroad boxcar where we lived. This is the mother who taught me about JESUS. I went without food for 3-4 days at a time before being adopted by a cult-member father who beat me for simple things like overdue library books. I went through a divorce where I lost all material things. And, today I am a minister for the Lord and married to a wonderful preacher who is on fire for the Lord. Please don't assume that I have not been tested.
---SusieB on 12/11/08

alanofUK...You got that right. His account does not add up right because he is making it up as he goes along.
---SusieB on 12/11/08

Ron ... I have known Bruce through these blogs for a few years now.

He is the sort of guy to give you sound and honest advice, aand certainly not one who will condemn you in any way.

I strongly recomment that you do get in touch with him trhough the PenPal system
---alan_of_UK on 12/11/08

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Are you a member here? Do you have an ID to which I can write? I would like to try to help you with this but there is much too much to say in the limited space of a blog.

Click on my name (Bruce5656) and you will find my last ten posts to various blogs. By them you will get a sense of where I am coming from and then you can decide if you would like to do this.

If you are not a member (have a user ID) it is easy and free to get one.
God bless
---Bruce5656 on 12/11/08

Your post is quite callous. It's easy to say what one would or would not do in a given situation. I pray you are never tested for I suspect that you may also fail. Also, you totally missed the point. Ron tried to clean up his act after coming to Christ. He demonstrated true repentance by making changes in accordance with his decision to follow Christ. So where is the sin in his situation? The Bible declares that in this life we will have tribulation (John 16:33) It comes with the territory of following Christ and new Christians are not excluded. Pray for him rather than offer condemnation.
---pg1 on 12/11/08

Ron refers to "my girlfriend and children"

That needs some explanation.

Her children as well as yours?

You threw her out ... did you also tell them to go?

Your account does not really add up
---alan_of_UK on 12/11/08

Ron: Some thoughts come to mind. First, why did you not marry your girlfriend if you were living together and had children?

Second, your church was wrong to not help you financially when you were injured and struggling. That does not mean you turn your back on God. Just find a more loving church.

God did not cause your troubles, Satan did. He attacks God's children, with God's permission. These tests help us grow in the Lord.

I hope you will return to the Lord, in worship and devotion, and obedience.

God bless.
---Trish9863 on 12/11/08

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Ron: You have children with this woman and are not married? How can you expect God's blessings when you break His Commandments? Marry the girl - NOW!
---jerry6593 on 12/11/08

Susie...thanks for your input but telling my situation is not making things up...I didn't lose my girlfriend I lost that part of income that counted and now doesn't.Don't be antagonistic,I am here with a valid problem and am looking for answers not cynical criticism.Thank you to all of the good advice I am getting here,I never dreamed I would be seeking help like this,I thought I had a handle on things but apparrently my faith wasn't as strong as I thought it was.I still am having a hard time with a church that will gladly accept my 10%,even when that 10% is from a reduced wage but when I turned to that church for help I got ignored...still confused,sorry.
---ron on 12/11/08

One more thing Susie I used to say that it wouldn't matter what I lost I would still stay in faith...until I REALLY lost somethings.It is easy to be a christian when you don't get tested!
---ron on 12/11/08

I too have experienced the same thing.

I am so tried. God gives me no comfort. It feels that I am faithful too Him but not vice-versa.

There are highs but I guess I am in a valley. I just want to know Gods presence and beable to lay things at His feet.

I can't do this on my strength. I don't know how to do it on His. It is hard to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

It feels like there is no hope only that of death.
---Martin_nz on 12/11/08

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Amen Ron!

I wish that people would not assume to tie people down with heavy loads of the reduced teachings as taught by men, and do nothing to help them out with the true Faith in Christ.

May God Graciously grant you the Peace that you need in life on your journey with others to meet Him.

I know that there are concubines written about. One prophet is commanded to marry a prostitute at Prophecy. Another had taken a concubine (girlfriend), keeping himself from the desires of the lust of the flesh with exclusivity.
---jack_david on 12/11/08

Nevertheless, you could ask her to marry you. And it sounds like you are making excuses and have lost nothing and have changed nothing.
---jack_david on 12/11/08

Read the story of Job, and will should be able to answer the question you ask. (Satan or test from God?). And think about what you are doing, we are so close to the end, if you stay away from God you will not go to Heaven. and think on this also, when life is all said and done, you WILL leave this world with NOTHING. Are the things you are talking about really worth missing heaven over? The Bible says Faint Not.
---a_good_friend on 12/10/08

Ron...Stop making up things to try to prove your point. Sin is sin! It wouldn't matter what material things I lose as I am serving the Lord and not those things. If a "boyfriend" left me because I wouldn't live in sin with him, I would count it no loss at all. I am married, but if my husband left me because I would not compromise the Gospel of Jesus Christ, I would count it no loss. Frankly, you failed that test from the Lord (if it were really the truth).
---SusieB on 12/10/08

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Ron, do not be frightened. Be content in all your situations. God was with you during that time, but you lost your faith and came back to the world. If you could have endured a little longer, you would've found your life getting better without your former things. What would have happened if Job denounced God like his wife wanted him to do? Would he have been rewarded? I, too, was in a similar situation making over two hundred thousand dollars a year in my own busines and going homeless within one week. I never denounced God during the one year on the streets. Exactly one year passed when a friend offered me a house and a consulting job with DuPont.

Who knows what God was going to offer you if you had endured a little longer.
---Steveng on 12/10/08

Ron, forget about going to a denominational church. They have their own traditions, ways of living and interpretations of the Bible - very unbiblical to say the least. Find yourself a good home church to belong that is not part of a denomiantional church. Do an online search for the benefits of a home church. Also, do an online bible search for "one another" and "each other" to give you an idea of how Christians should treat each other.

God really does love you even though the world hates you.
---Steveng on 12/10/08

I guess I should clarify my situation...yes I did give myself completly to the Lord.I started going to a very good church and was tithing every week.I was serving whenever I was asked and doing daily devotions,bible reading and all things christian.The pastor of my church suggested my girlfriend and I not cohabitate so we moved apart.I shortly thereafter fell 20 feet at work and almost died.Being on workmans comp and making 2/3 of my wages made it so I could not afford to keep my house(remember the other paying partner left on advice of the pastor)I was still tithing and had to let my truck be repoed.When I asked my pastor for some help he told me "we are part of this world and have to expect these things",I will continue
---ron on 12/10/08

To continue...Pastor Jeff did not even ask if I needed prayer.The point of all of this is that it seems that everything I have worked to have is now gone and here is the wierd part.I swore that I would not return to that church and quit doing devotions and reading my bible.I really miss that life but since stopping my money problems are getting better,my girlfriend and children are back in my life and my all around state of mind is better.It just strikes me that when doing things for God I was broken down to a state of wanting to kill myself because of these troubles and as soon as I stopped Calvary Chapel things started turning around...I miss God but I am scared that if I go back I will lose what little I have left.Satan or test from God?
---ron on 12/10/08

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Some people never had anything, I am in that group, I still don't have anything and what I get I share. I can count on one hand the things I bought for myself this year that don't include basic needs, and even some of those can be in that group, I bought boots, Jeans 1 Pair, and an NHL 08 hockey game to play on a game system that's not even mine, and some football cards. If I had extra money this year at this point I'd be giving it for needs to my overseas ministry partners, some of those folks don't even have decent clothing

I hate it when folks uphold the notion that God somehow gave his son so they could be comfy while the world around them suffers.

Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
---Loser on 12/10/08

Job 9:12 Behold, he taketh away, who can hinder him? who will say unto him, What doest thou?
---scripture on 12/10/08

No my friend you do not have to lose everything to have a relationship with God. But we are to stay prepared to do battle, at any time. The Devil may be attacking you because you have given your life to the Lord. Have you completely surrendered to God? Were you in bad health before you became a Christian? Sometimes we suffer the consequences of our past actions and behaviors, even though, we have made changes in our lives. This could be a test from the Lord also.Will you pass it or fail? Pray and stay close to God. He will see you through this. You will be much stronger when you make it through this storm. God bless you beloved.
---Robyn on 12/10/08

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