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MarkV, You will not find the words saving faith in scripture.

The only faith that pleases God is faith in His Word.

If you insist on using saving faith, you will find the definition in James.

Here is the true definition of two kinds of faith:

Faith without works is dead.

Faith or obedience of faith that accompany evidence, SAVES.

Example:
Hebrews 11:7
By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house, by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.

His obedience of faith SAVED his household!
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10


Kathr, I'll say it again, you know not what you say. Making statements like,
"The point really is in all of this...This is DEEP stuff, and we also see too in Cain and Abel, GOD never accepts the first birth, but only the second...YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!! You see our first birth in adam is rejected completely....ONLY our second birth, that IN CHRIST is acceptable to God."
you first say, "this is DEEP stuff" as if what you are going to say is a mystery to everyone except you, then say"God never accepts the first birth, but only the second" what about Jesus Christ the first born of Mary?" God didn't accept Him? Was that the deep stuff? Are we to wait for the second son of Mary?
---MarkV. on 8/3/10


Yes, MarkV.

But, brother, they SEE the light. The light shows us our sin.

The light was manifested for all men to see.

Please understand that the knowledge of God is not given nor revealed until the person accepts Christ by the drawing of the Holy Spirit.
They can resist it. When they do, that is blasphemy of the Holy Spirit.

And Kath you are so right! Amen girlfriend!
All men are born into the 1st man adam. To be saved we must be born into the second man, Christ.
This is done by giving in to the drawing of the Holy Spirit and accepting the truth..Christ! That we have sinned and need him to be born again.
Thank you for pointing the OT comparisons out to me, sis!
---miche3754 on 8/3/10


Romans says...not Jacob , but in Isaac will thy seed be called. the Seed is Christ, not many seeds, but ONE Christ.

And those who are OF the faith of Abraham are Abraham's seed and heirs according to Promise. The Promise is the Holy Spirit. Now the Holy Spirit is given to those with OBEDIENT FAITH..Acts 5 and it is according to the Mystery ..Christ in you, Romans 16:25-27. AND Colossians 1:24-27.

Jesus own words..behold I stand at the door and knock..if ANY MAN hear my voice and open I will come into Him..

Calvinists TWIST that to say, behold I stand at the door of the Elect, for only they can hear my voice...and if the Elect hear my voice, it means I'm already in you. No need to repent, and no rebuke necessary!!!
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10


TheSeg, in response to your question, Did you read any verses before Jacob I loved....

Isaac and Ismael were first given as an example. Then Jacob and Esau.

The point really is in all of this...This is DEEP stuff, and we also see too in Cain and Abel, GOD never accepts the first birth, but only the second...YOU MUST BE BORN AGAIN!!! You see our first birth in adam is rejected completely....ONLY our second birth, that IN CHRIST is acceptable to God.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10




Ok help me out here.

Now, I know and believe, if God wanted very one saved. He would have done it.
I mean he is God right!

So, if he wants everyone saved, why did he do this? And dont say he didnt!

As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

For he saith to Moses!
I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Pretty clear!

It almost seem. I love MarkV more then you.
---TheSeg on 8/3/10


Jack B, what Samuel gave is from Scripture, but the words (whole world) does not mean every single individual. For a person does not have to be a Christain to know that. What the writers did was use (whole world) instead of mankind in general. Look at a wordstudy of languages for that word and you will find it has a different interpretation. The very reason we have missionaries who are going to parts of the world where they have never heard the gospel of Jesus Christ. I gave China as a good example. Millions upon millions have never heard of Christ.
Second, all that were chosen by God, redeemed by Christ, and given faith by the Spirit are eternally saved. They are kept in faith by the power of Almighty God and thus persevere to the end.
---MarkV. on 8/3/10


The five points of Calvinism are call five points because when the Synod of Dort rejected the five points of the Remonstrants, they felt that mere rejection was not sufficient, so five points were given against the five points of the Remonstrats. -- All of the five revolve around God. Who He is, and who man is. --- The five points of the Arminian's are centered around man and what he thinks he deserves and what is good in his eyes, not in God's eyes.
---MarkV. on 8/3/10

ALL THESE POINTS ARE MAN CENTERED.

If Mormons have FIVE points against the RCC, would that then make the Mormons 5 points correct?

What about those who can make more than 5 points against the 5 points of Calvin and Arminian.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10


Miche, the word is "saving faith" not common faith. Saving faith is given by the Spirit at regeneration, and is expressed when hearing the gosple. Only the sheep get faith. Again I send you to what Jesus said, " But you do not believe, "because you are not of My sheep," as I said to you My sheep hear My voice, and they follow Me" (John 10:26, 27).
"And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, "and men love darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil."
The natural men loves darkness rather then the light, how can a lost person love Christ when he is lost? "He will not come that he might have light"
---MarkV. on 8/3/10


Holy Spirit is not the savior, Jesus is. The Holy Spirit can draw you, but who is He drawing you to, not Himself, but Christ. People can resist the drawing of the Holy Spirit..ACTS and Hebrews 6 clearly tell us that the Holy Spirit can manifest Himself to you, yet SALVATION/GRACE is being Crucified with Christ. So the Holy Spirit is drawing you to CALVARY. When you receive Jesus Christ you are receiving right then HIS death and resurrection life. You are first justified by His Blood when you believe THEN you are saved by His life, His risen life. When you receive Jesus Christ the Holy Spirit THEN After you believe (Ephesians) seals you IN CHRIST until the day of redemption.
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10




//You are saying unbelievers have faith. If they have faith, they are not unbelievers//

JackB is saying the world has a different kind of faith.

Instead of having faith in God, they have faith in themselves and in possessions they have and people around them. So, the world is believing in themselves instead of believing in Christ.
They are presented the truth of Christ before their very eyes and they would rather believe in themselves instead of what Christ has done for them.

The pharisees Jesus was talking to had this kind of faith..wrong faith.
they need to get right faith...Christ.
So yes all men have faith just not the right kind of faith.

Kath and JackB keep standing for the truth of the word of God.
---miche3754 on 8/3/10


The whole world everyone in it will be given a chance for salvation. Calvanism stresses that GOD is in control. But neglects that GOD loves all people and want them to be saved - samuel

Thank you for finding the words I could not.

Calvinism is all for the sovereignty of God but ONLY if it shows that God has picked them out of the rest of the world and theres no chance they can ever go astray again.

Its a doctrine of false security. I suspect that many people that converted to those beliefs had assurance issues because of sin in their life. And while I am just as well guilty of sin , we can't change Gods sovereign will to rid ourselves of our convictions

We must agree with our adversary.
---JackB on 8/3/10


Jack B, phrase God for another day of life He gives us. My studies and believes revolve around a "God centered theology" I try never to answer from a man-center theology. The five points of Calvinism are call five points because when the Synod of Dort rejected the five points of the Remonstrants, they felt that mere rejection was not sufficient, so five points were given against the five points of the Remonstrats. I stand by the five points myself. All of the five revolve around God. Who He is, and who man is. And God is Lord so I center my faith in the Lord. The five points of the Arminian's are centered around man and what he thinks he deserves and what is good in his eyes, not in God's eyes.
---MarkV. on 8/3/10


MarkV, are you saying the Holy Spirit works independently to convict of sin. OR does theHoly Spirit work WITH the Word of God to convict of sin.

WE have no idea what sin is, However, thanks to the LAW we do know what sin is TO GOD!! No the Law can't save. The LAW convicts of Sin, and the message of the Gospel of the GOOD NEWS Saves, that is if we RECEIVE the message.

Also MarkV, in Abraham sending his servant to find a bride for Isaac, ( the servant being a type of Holy Spirit, Abraham said something very interesting....if they don't receive you, LEAVE, and don't go back. The servant did not abduct Rebekka and take her against her will!


Now Dianna was taken against her will..it's called rape!
---kathr4453 on 8/3/10


Ok Mark I guess Im confused here. Can you please explain which of the 5 points of Calvinism you believe?

Total Depravity
Unconditional Election
Limited Atonement
Irresistible Grace
Perseverance of the Saints
---JackB on 8/2/10


To Kathr, Israel's salvation could not come by the law, they were ask to seek righteousness but to this day they have not. They were ask to seek, by the prophets like Isaiah, but nothing came to them because they had no faith or understanding just like many today. "Yet the Lord has not given you a heart to perceive and eyes to see and ears to hear to this very day." In spite of all they had seen they understood nothing even to today, Romans 11:8, and won't until Israel's future day of salvation. Romans 3:11 is clear, no one seeks God, They just don't want to seek after God, they need the Holy Spirit to convict their hearts of sin.
---MarkV. on 8/2/10


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Jack B, You said,
"The lost do have faith. They just have it in themselves. It must be redirected toward Christ."
You are saying unbelievers have faith. If they have faith, they are not unbelievers. Hello?
Second you say,
"Believers dont seek God... they already know Him"
If they don't seek God everyday for their lives, who do they seek? Jesus said, "Seek and you will find" Do you know who seeked? His sheep. Jesus said"I told you, and you do not believe: The works that I do in My fathers name they bear witness of Me. But you do not believe, "because you are not of My sheep," as I said to you, My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me."
---MarkV. on 8/2/10


If there were nothing in the word of God relating to seeking God, then it would be inappropriate to advise people to do so. But the Word of God is not at all ambiguous in regards to commanding men to seek Him.
Isaiah 55:6: "Seek the Lord while He may be found, Call upon Him while He is near."

We also see in Hebrews TODAY is the day of Salvation...ENTER in while you can my friends!

There would be no point in these verses of Hebrews 3 and 4. God clearly points out warnings and WHY those who did not enter His rest died in their sin....because THEY did not have faith to enter a land RIGHT IN FRONT OF THEM... God did not hide that promise from Israel....it was THEM who refused to OBEY and cross over!
---kathr4453 on 8/2/10


JackB,

I applaud you for telling the truth.

There are some here who just think they are always right and their way is the only true way.

Really I have only seen one or 2 who do not agree with what you are saying.
You are now arguing with one of them.
I believe you should just give complete scripture and let God speak for himself on the truth.
Maybe, they will see.
---miche3754 on 8/2/10


The Bible says Jhn 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

The whole world everyone in it will be given a chance for salvation. Calvanism stresses that GOD is in control. But neglects that GOD loves all people and want them to be saved.

2Pe 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness, but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
---Samuel on 8/2/10


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Romans 3:11 speaks against you Jack B. No one lost seeks after God. Everything that we have as believers comes from God. If everyone has faith, why are they called unbelievers? And if faith comes, it wasn't there, and if it came it had to come from somewhere else since it was not in you. And since Scripture says,
"For it has been granted to you (believers) that for the sake of Christ you should not only believe in Him but also suffer for His sake" Phili. 1:29.
"And when the Gentiles heard this, they began rejoicing and glorifying the Word of the Lord, and as many as were appointed to eternal life believed" Acts 13:48. The ones appointed to eternal life, God granted them the faith to believe.
---MarkV. on 8/1/10


Seq, 1st, it was the Pharisees who said "If" Jesus was a prophet, he would not let the sinner woman touch him. For they held the false doctrine, "I am holier than you". 2nd, lit.Gk: "How me called good? none good if not the God. I am the Good Shepherd: the Good Shepherd gives his life for the sheep." Mt.19:17+ Jn.10:11. So Jesus was affirming how the man addressed him, and not denying it. And 3rd, Jesus was talking about people who sin because they are ignorant of him and of righteousness, but Jesus said the sinning Pharisees say, "I see" therefore they have no excuse or covering for their sin, for they are doing it in the full knowledge that it is wrong.
---Eloy on 8/1/10


This passage gives clear evidence of three things... - MarkV

Simply unbelievable Mark. You couldnt read 1 verse without applying Calvinist doctrine to it. THIS passage gives clear evidence of ONE thing. Faith is necessary to please God.

"First, no one lost can please God"
Agreed

Second, that the lost don't have faith
The lost do have faith. They just have it in themselves. It must be redirected toward Christ.

Third,... only believers seek Him.
Believers dont seek God... they already know Him

Show me scripture where God took away man's knowledge of good when we gained the knowledge of evil in the garden of Eden.
---JackB on 8/1/10


Jack B, great passage again. You gave,
"Hebrews 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him."


This passage gives clear evidence of three things, First, no one lost can please God, Second, that the lost don't have faith, and the reason they are called unbelievers. Third, it tells us that He rewards those who seek Him. And only believers seek Him.
Romans 3:11 says,
"There is none who understands, There is none who seeks after God" and verse 17,18 says, "And their way of peace they have not known. There is no fear of God before their eyes"
---MarkV. on 8/1/10


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Sorry, I left out the point of that.

It takes OUR faith in Him to be saved by HIS faith (his obedience and sacrifice as well as His indwelling power to live a holy life).

Faith is something that God requires of US.

Hebrews 11:6

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

He teaches us the gospel and we MUST respond in faith, believing that His promises are truth! Just as Abraham did. (Romans 4)

Don't forget that Abraham didnt believe at first either (Genesis 17:17). He laughed within himself and so did his wife.
---JackB on 8/1/10


Youre gonna hate me for this but you NEED to see it...

"What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?" 1 Cor. 4:7. Faith came from God.- MarkV

Galatians 2:16

Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith OF Jesus Christ, even WE HAVE BELIEVE IN JESUS CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY THE FAITH OF CHRIST,



Jesus' faith fulfilled the law and died in our place. He was perfectly faithful and when we believe in Him we are HIDDEN in Christ!!! He will return one day to make us like Him.
---JackB on 7/31/10


2 Timothy 1:12

For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

If God is able to persuade one man , how can you explain in His ultimate sovereignty and power He is not able to persuade all?

He's already stated that his will is that ALL men come to the knowledge of the truth and be saved.

Are you suggesting that God tries harder to persuade one man than he does another? OR (heres the kicker) is it possible that some men just dont want to be reached? They love their sinful life just the way it is.
---JackB on 7/31/10


"Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God" 2 Cor. 3:5.
"Let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the Author and finisher of our faith" Heb. 12:1,2.
"
---MarkV. on 7/31/10
But MarkV, why didn't you tell this to Donna on the travail blog. What a perfect verse to have added concerning that WE can do nothing in ourselves...not even muster up travail in our prayers to get what we want.

Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith. PEACE comes when we learn HIS WILL in what HE has finished. We OBEY His Will in what HE askes. We NEED not travail, or agonize over being obedient.
---kathr4453 on 7/31/10


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Jack B, the reason you trust Him with your soul is because you got faith. And again faith to believe in God no one lost has it. It has to come. Faith comes from hearing, hearing the Word of God.
"For who see anything different in you? What do you have that you did not receive? If then you received it, why do you boast as if you did not receive it?" 1 Cor. 4:7. Faith came from God.

"Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God" 2 Cor. 3:5.
"Let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus, the Author and finisher of our faith" Heb. 12:1,2.
"
---MarkV. on 7/31/10


Jack B 2:
You say,
"I put MY FAITH in the One who does the saving and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. (2 Tim 1:12) And once again HE gets all the glory for it."
You say He gets all the glory because you used your own faith in Jesus Christ, How does He get glory? Seems to me you are getting all the glory because you did something. Did He get glory for you having the ability to come to Him? Because you were smarter then others who you say have the same faith but are too dumb to use it? You can now boast against those others then.
No matter how much Scripture I give you, you give nothing. I give you the Word of God and you reject it.
---MarkV. on 7/31/10


Eloy, when I read what you wrote. Im going to tell you the firth thing that came.

This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

You wrote I think:
I can choose to do good, or else I can choose to do evil.
Also you think:
Most people know of people who are bad, and most people also know of people who are good.

If this is true, than this is a lie!
Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

He said:
If ye were blind, ye would see!
Rom3:19!
---TheSeg on 7/31/10


John, A-men. Daniel 3:14-18,23-27, and Daniel 3:28,29.
---Eloy on 7/31/10


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Here's your free will!

Rom 14:11 FOR IT IS WRITTEN!
As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God!
---TheSeg on 7/30/10


AMEN THE SEG!!!
---JOHN on 7/31/10


seq, Yes, people choose to go to hell, or heaven. I can choose to do good, or else I can choose to do evil. Most people know of people who are bad, and most people also know of people who are good. God is just in welcoming the good into good heaven, and God is just in throwing the bad into bad hell. Or do you think that God should welcome all the evil people, the kid-knappers, child abusers, burglars, robbers, wed-lock breakers, fornicators, home-wreckers, extortioners, killers, rapers, and all violent and horrible people into holy heaven with all of us innocent saints ? and do you think that God should break the bruised reeds and curse all of us holy saints and throw us into hell? No. God forbid. For each will get their just deserts.
---Eloy on 7/31/10


MarkV ... You say to JackB "you did not say it, it's written all over you answer. You imply, God does not force Himself on you. It is you who decides to save yourselves by your ability"

That's a complete travesty, a grotesque twisting of what he did say. But sadly, your typical response is to twist what others have said, and add things they have not said.

I won't do the same to you, and twist your words to imply that you are proud to have been selected whereas we have been rejected by God.
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/31/10


MarkV You say "To this day, no one has given a passage where God says He gave free will to anyone"

Twaddle ... we are doing it all the time.

Just see my post to which you were responding. Three instances there, which you deny have been given!!
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/31/10


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Ive already told you that God gets all the glory for the salvation He has given me. Thank you for calling me a liar.

It is you who decides to save yourselves by your ability. - MarkV

No sir. I don't save myself and never said I do. If you dont have the ability to understand what Im about to say, then I dont know theres reason for me to explain any further.

I put MY FAITH in the One who does the saving and that is the Lord Jesus Christ. (2 Tim 1:12) And once again HE gets all the glory for it. Just because I trust Him with my soul doesnt mean Im taking the credit for what He is doing /has done.

All men have faith in something, Mark. We just need to turn it in the right direction.
---JackB on 7/31/10


I just love the way. Everyone says we have a free will!
You can choose God or not, its up to you!

Im sorry! Its just that, I find that so funny.
As if, God is saying, its ok you dont have to choose me!
Really! Is this, why there a hell, so you can choose?

Here too, you think someone is choosing to go to hell.
Is it not God who is putting you there?
You will never be free, until you know, why!
Everything must be in God hands.
But, you cant believe this!

Here your free will!
Rom 14:11 FOR IT IS WRITTEN!
As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God!
---TheSeg on 7/30/10


Jack B, you did not say it, it's written all over you answer. You imply, God does not force Himself on you. It is you who decides to save yourselves by your ability. God has no say in it. He waits for you to make a decision for Him.
In a fallen state, you will make choices while lost, but never for God. Fallen man is spiritually dead to the things of God and a child of wrath, doing the desires of their father the devil.
"Who can bring a clean thing out of an unclean? There is no one." job 14:4
"Can the Ethoopian change his skin or the leopard his spots?" Jeremiah 13:23.
For" No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day"
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


Mark, have you noticed that every scripture given to you, you have the same general response. Its always that they simply dont understand scripture. Sir maybe its YOU that are wrong.

Every denomination claims they have the whole truth. The difference is, sir, that other denominations dont lead people away from Christ by teaching them God may not have selected them to receive salvation because he doesnt love them the way he does others. Yours does just that.

It seems instead of spending time looking for people to save you would rather use your doctrine to condemn. Your heart is in the wrong place. And you can get as mad as you want at me about it. I hope you are pricked in your heart right now.
---JackB on 7/30/10


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Deu 30:19 I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live:
Jos 24:15 And if it seem evil unto you to serve the LORD, choose you this day whom ye will serve, whether the gods which your fathers served that [were] on the other side of the flood, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land ye dwell: but as for me and my house, we will serve the LORD.
2Sa 24:12 Go and say unto David, Thus saith the LORD, I offer thee three [things], choose thee one of them, that I may [do it] unto thee.
Pro 1:29b and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
Judges 10:14a Go and cry unto the gods which ye have chosen...
---micha9344 on 7/30/10


I see no passages of any kind only alot of opinions, alot of complaining, whinning from two or three of you who cannot stand for God to have the glory of saving you. - MarkV

Mark do you even read our posts? I dont recall one of us (who are not of Calvinist doctrine) saying that God doesnt deserve the glory for what He has done.

If God had done nothing, our desire to seek his mercy and grace in light of our own sinfulness would be pointless.

Saying "Thank you! I accept" and "What can I do for you now?" when offered a free gift does NOT take the glory away from the One who is giving it to you.

In fact it produces a love for the gift giver.
---JackB on 7/30/10


Jack B, your interpretations of the passages in Psalm 119:30-34 are wrong. This Psalm is the largest chapter in the entire Bible. The writer is believed to be Ezra.
Psalm 119 is a demonstration of a person who is genuinely saved already. Nothing about free will. The first six passages, show the heart of the Psalmist. His heart had already been changed. Only beleivers choose to walk with God. He ask God to open his eyes because he wants to know all of His ways. He is giving out his emotions and feelings as he walks with God. He understands God already because he says, "Blessed are those who seek Him with the whole heart" The Bible tells us that no one lost seeks after God, Romans 3:11. The Psalmist is seeking more of God.
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


Perfect Alan!

Psalm 119:30-34

I have chosen the way of truth: thy judgments have I laid before me.
I have stuck unto thy testimonies: O LORD, put me not to shame.
I will run the way of thy commandments, when thou shalt enlarge my heart.
HE. Teach me, O LORD, the way of thy statutes, and I shall keep it unto the end.
Give me understanding, and I shall keep thy law, yea, I shall observe it with my whole heart.


Perfect example of a man's free will. And this man chose to call upon God for HIS strength and salvation. Thats exactly what we do when we accept Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior!
---JackB on 7/30/10


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From Alan,
"Then Mark you haqve not been reading your Bible witrh any understanding, and hasve not read what people have put before you here."
I could say the same thing to you, about not reading your Bible with understanding, but it is not necessary, to tell everyone. To this day, no one has given a passage where God says He gave free will to anyone. I read my Bible at 3-4 am every morning. I answer around 8am. I give explicit passages that are ignores. I see no passages of any kind only alot of opinions, alot of complaining, whinning from two or three of you who cannot stand for God to have the glory of saving you. If you have a case, present it with Scripture. You should not answer if it causes you to stumble.
---MarkV. on 7/30/10


Mark "I could not find one passage where God said the lost had free will"

Then Mark you haqve not been reading your Bible witrh any understanding, and hasve not read what people have put before you here.

Just a couple of examples ... others will no doubt provide more:

"I will arise and go to my fether ..."
"Come unto me, all who ..."
"Joy in heaven over repentant sinner"

If there is anything in the Bible about God predestining people to hell, no doubt you will give it
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/30/10


Jack B, you've never been where I am. In fact I have been where you are now, in unbelief as to who the God of Scripture really is. I was you when I begin my walk with Christ. I belonged to a church who believed in free will. My questions were never answered by my church. If the Holy Spirit convicts our hearts of sin, how could we have free will? I could not find one passage where God said the lost had free will. Yet everything I held was connected to free will. The pastor said it was hard to explain. The brothers could not either. If an unbeliever has no saving faith, and faith has to come, it means he never had it until it came. And faith comes from hearing the word of God, but many hear and it does not come.
---MarkV. on 7/29/10


You dismiss all scripture that is given to you Mark because it contradicts the scripture highlighted by your church doctrine. It is cast aside as being "taken out of context" or "a bad translation" or ignored alltogether.

Ive been where you are. I know how living in fear keeps a man locked into a certain belief. As angry as I get with you at times, I see you in the future flowing with the love of God again. And the thought of that makes me very happy indeed.

Its not wrong to reexamine our understanding of scripture.

Gods word will never contradict itself. When it seems to it simply means we have gotten something wrong somewhere and we need to go back and read the context again.
---JackB on 7/29/10


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Jack B, what I gave was a discription of who the God of Scripture is as far as His Omnipotence. I didn't give His Omniscience, Omnipresence, Immutability, justice wrath or mercy etc. Each one topic has it's own definition. I do not believe I gave anything else. In fact I did not give one passage, only what I have studied of who God is. If you have any knowledge as to what God's Omnipotence means, give it. Don't complain as others do without cause. What you give will only be your opinion unless you give Scripture. I'm willing to listen to what you have to say without calling you anything. Take a shot at the Word of God at least, and lets see what you have to say with Scripture.
---MarkV. on 7/29/10


Exactly Alan!

All of satan's power and man's power are limited as someone has already stated.
I dont think anyone would disagree with that.

Any "Christian" that says God is in control of a 35 year old man that rapes a 3 year old child (just an example) has a devilish heart and is deceived. I am furious right now!!

He needs to forget what he knows, hit his knees and beg for forgiveness, and go back to Genesis 1. Somehow he has missed the very nature of God, while dancing around certain scripture to justify his churches doctrine!

I could pick certain scriptures to "prove" that only MEN will be saved, but we all know from reading the entire Bible thats not true at all.
---JackB on 7/28/10


Mnark that then means that every wrong thing we say or do is said or done at God's command

Are you sure thaat every time someone here gets angry, or resorts to name-calling, or deliberately misinterprets what someone else has said, it is done at God's will?
---alan8566_of_uk on 7/28/10


The Omnipotence of God means that God holds all power over His creation. No part of creation stands ouside the scope of His sovereign control. To say that nothing is impossible with God means that He can do whatsoever He wills to do. His power is not limited by finite limitations. Nothing, or no thing can restrict His power. For a Christian God's omnipotence is a great source of comfort. We know that the same power of God displayed in creating the universe is at His disposal to assure our salvation. Though powers and forces of this world threaten to undo, we have no fear. We can rest in the knowledge that nothing can withstand the power of God. Omnipotence refers to God's sovereign power, authority, and control over the created order.
---MarkV. on 7/28/10


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Omnipotence means ALL powerful. The devil has limited power. Christians have limited power, but more power than the devil. Angels and demons have limited power - angels have more power than demons. God has ALL power without limit.
---Leslie on 7/27/10


Atheist: you, on 12/20/08 wrote //"God" of course has free will and can ... ignore. Strange that with "his" omnipotent abilities "he" hasn't intervened here and there to demonstrate "his" presense and his love. // It is impossible to mention all how God has intervened in human situations,
1.Do you know the things God has done to maintain this website, wherein you love to participate?
2.Do you know how many accidents God has saved you from, which had killed others?
3.Can you count how many people have been healed, restored back to life from physical death, drug and alcohol addiction, diseases etc by God through the disciples of the Lord Jesus worldwide?
---Adetunji on 7/27/10


All Knowing & All Power, Omnipresent, He is every where All at once at the same time.

The only place He is Not, & that is, in your heart soul & mind if you have not let Him in to abide.
---Lawrence on 7/26/10


Free will is like our Lord saying, "freely ye have received, freely give". Presuposes that we can weight out, opt out.
Free will is like Adam naming the animals instead of God telling him what their names should be.

Leviticus 22:18: "... and for all his freewill offerings, which they will offer unto the LORD for a burnt offering, Ye shall offer at your own will a male without blemish, of the beeves, of the sheep, or of the goats. But whatsoever hath a blemish, that shall ye not offer: for it shall not be acceptable for you."
---Nana on 5/14/09


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People think they have free will because they are making choices. But all choices are caused by internal or external impulses or forces. Whatever we do, we do because something made us do it, usually something that leads away from pain and toward comfort or satisfaction of some sort.
---JohnnyB on 5/12/09


Man has free will, he can choose life or death. If he wants life, he must give his life to Jesus Christ. Then Jesus Christ will make Himself known to him. Jesus Christ is the only way to know God.
---Betty on 5/10/09


Mark V.

I blogged for a couple of days under the name "Dave" until I found out that I had accidently hijacked somebody else's blog name. I changed to Naulon which nobody else has.

Your quote from John's letter is right on, but I don't see the expression "true love". Are you referring to "Perfect love"? Perfect love is love for anyone even ones enemy. See how it is used in the context of Matthew 5:43-48.

How does God "abide" in us? Is it not through the Word and how much of it we put to practice? (Matthew 7:24, John 6:63)
---Naulon on 12/27/08


Do you believe Gods Sovereignty is the cause of all good and evil? Is man free to choose God and His will freely or is it forced? If God caused all evil, would He not be evil Himself? Is the will really free, if it is doing only what God determined or caused, would this not be reducing moral agents to a mere machine. Is it not infinitely absurd, to require duty from a being who is forced to act, and then condemn him for acting a certain way. Moral character cannot be ascribed or assign to a being who is forced to act, no more than the actions or motions of a windmill
---TRU-DOG on 12/27/08


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atheist, No I don't presume to know the mind of God, at least not beyond what He has revealed in Scriptures. I know I am confident because of what Jesus Christ has done in my life that I know The Truth, a person named Jesus Christ. If you are seeking to know God, then praise the Lord, I pray that you will find the answers to your questions which are there for you to see once the Holy Spirit opens your eyes.
---tommy3007 on 12/26/08


Naulon, your answers sound like someone else. If I am wrong, forgive me but I see a similarity with someone else.
"No one has seen God at any time. If we love one another, God abides in us, and His love has been perfected in us." Do you hear that? v. 16 "And we have known and believed the love that God has for us. God is love, and he who abides in love abides in God, and God in him" now go to v. 18 "There is no fear in love. but perfect love (Christ) casts out fear, because fear involves torment, but he who fears has not been made perfect in love. We love Him because He first loved us" Love originated in God, was manifested in His Son, and demonstrated in His people, that's true Love.
---MarkV. on 12/26/08


Mark V,

I see no difference between "plain love" and "true love". In fact I don't find the expression "true love" in any translation of the Bible at all.

Anyone who acts in the best interest of another is loving them. Love always comes from within a person, just as evil comes from within them. The choice to love or not is within each one's heart. The only difference between a Christian and non-Christian's love is motivation. The Christian is motivated by the word (spirit) and example of Christ.
---Naulon on 12/24/08


True Dog, I believe Alexander gave a good explanation about the Love of Christ on the "Free will" blog. Let me explain some things to you:
The nature of God "is love" that is true Love. What everyone has is not true love because it comes from within them. It is a love that loves and then leaves and then loves again. They can love if they want. It is controlled by them.
The Love of Christ is true Love. When Christ comes into your heart you have that true Love. That Love never leaves you. The only reason believers love God is because God first loved them. A true believer that has that Love will never be without Him. You cannot have true Love for Christ unless He is in you. Otherwise your love is an imposter.
---MarkV. on 12/24/08


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Tommy:"He has decreed that certain things will take place at His appointed time and it will happen accordingly. If you are truly an atheist, why are you on a "christian" website? Are you here seeking God, or trying to discourage believers?"

Maybe it is my time and place...

The irony may be that "god" has placed me here to help you find "god".

I do not know for certain, for I am not so presumptious as to pretend to know the mind of "god".

Perhaps you could tell me. You seem to think yourself knowledgeable about the truth...
---atheist on 12/23/08


MarkV, God does not force His omnipotence on us, and make us love Him. We love Him freely, by voluntary choice. That is why, some choose to not love Him, and go to Hell. God does not force some, to serve Him, and make them good, and make others bad, He is not a unjust ruler.
---TRU-DOG on 12/23/08


Atheist, God did intervene, at Calvary when He allowed His Son to bear the penalty for our sins. He has issued an ultimatum that we either accept His Son as the Way, the Truth and the Life, or we can "go to hell." God is not "bothered" by any man's impatience with His timing, He has decreed that certain things will take place at His appointed time and it will happen accordingly. If you are truly an atheist, why are you on a "christian" website? Are you here seeking God, or trying to discourage believers?
---tommy3007 on 12/23/08


True Dog, why did you say He cannot force love? Was there a reason behind your answer? What I gave was not good enough and so you added other things for which I agree with you but you mentioned forced love in your answer for a purpose, and just wanted to know what that purpose was. Can you explain?
---MarkV. on 12/23/08


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God is omnipotent, however, He can not be unjust, maleveolent, mutable, older, unwise, and force love.
---TRU-DOG on 12/22/08


True Dog, the majority of the problems going on these website is because many don't know who God is. They don't know His Omniscience (Knowing all) His Omnipotence ( power over all) which Tommy explained very well. His Omnipresence ( As Spirit He can be everywhere at one time) His nature of Love, Holiness, and His perfections. If they did they would know who is in charge.
Athiest doesn't agree but no one lost agrees for they do not have faith in Him.
---MarkV. on 12/21/08


"What is the the omnipotence of God?"
The Father's omnipotence is His absolute sovereignty, as in His supreme and independent power or authority over His creation.
Atheist it is not strange. "Know this day, and consider it in your heart, that the LORD (The Supreme Authority and Controller) Himself is God (The Supreme Deity) in heaven above and on the earth beneath, there is no other. The heavens are the LORD's" Yet "the earth has He given to the children of men." His tangible presence and love, as well as the authority we are granted, in Him, was demonstrated perfectly during Jesus' sojourn on earth and was documented for our instructions. Why have we neglected it? The tares and wheat must grow together.
---joseph on 12/21/08


Tommy,

"God" of course has free will and can chose to ignore everything and just leave us to our own devices and our own free wills, as "he" apparently has for at least two thousand years.

Strange that with "his" omnipotent abilities "he" hasn't intervened here and there to demonstrate "his" presense and his love.
---atheist on 12/20/08


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What is the omnipotence of God?
---TRU-DOG on 12/20/08


What not if, of course.

Makes perfect sense to me.
---atheist on 12/19/08


The omnipotence of God means that He has all power over everything and everyone. Whatever He determines to do, NO ONE can interupt or stop His plans. He doesn't need anyone's help in accomplishing His will, but, allows people to participate in His plan to receive blessing for their obedience.
---tommy3007 on 12/19/08


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