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Difference Between Covenants

Can someone please explain the difference between the New Covenant and the Old Covenant? Is it just with Israel and Judah or does it include all people? I am confused because the Bible says "yes" in some places and in others it says "no".

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Old Covenant (Testament) is God writing the Law on tables of stone and the Israelites promising to obey in their own power. // The New Covenant (Testament) is God writing the law through the Holy Spirit, into our hearts and minds so that we obey Him out of love, in the power of Christ's victorious death on the cross.

It is the SAME 10 commandment law in both covenants. Sin is the breaking of the law (1 John 3:4) and the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23) therefore animals shed blood (death) in the old, and Jesus shed his blood in the new (His death on the cross). Both of these covenants promise a substitute to die in our place for breaking the 10 commandments.
---Gina7 on 5/29/09


Exodus 24:8 "And Moses took the blood, and sprinkled it on the people, and said, Behold the blood of the covenant, which the Lord hath made with you concerning these words"

"And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying, "Drink ye all of it, For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sin" JESUS in Matthew 26:27,28 "And almost things are by the law purged with blood, and without shedding of blood is no remission" Heb 9:22 "..by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant (margin: testament) which was established upon better promises" Heb 8:6

The 10 commandments demand death for breaking them (called sin)
---Gina7 on 5/29/09


"And the temple of God was opened in Heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament, and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake and great hail" Rev11:19 As on earth, when the ark contained God's 10 commandments (testament)so it is in heaven. Testament = God's 10 Commandent Laws. The New Testament, or Covenant, was ratified by the death of Christ, and is God writing those laws into our hearts (instead of on stone) Heb 8:10

The blood of Christ ratifies the New Testament Covenant or 10 commandments. Those commandments are in heaven's ark Rev 11:19
---Gina7 on 5/29/09


IN the Old Covenant anyone who wished to could join. Males had to be circumzied undergo ritual immersion and were said to have a new live or they were born again from dead gentiles to living jews. They were then to follow all the laws of the Torah. They were to look to the coming Messiah.

The New Covenant also allows all to join. But many of the laws dealing with sacrifice were fulfilled in JESUS so how we worship has changed. Moral laws like the Ten Commandments are still in effect. Health laws are still good to follow. But the Messiah has come.
---Samuel on 5/7/09


The New Covenant is for everybody.
---Betty on 5/7/09




Here is some food for thought concerning you Question. Read the book of Galations especially the 3rd and 4th chapters. Ask yourself what the promise made to Abraham meant. Keeping this in mind, that Gods nature is never changing. We are the ones who change
---Tim on 3/21/09


Tom 2, you said, "Many, may even be saved, but there is no fruit in their lives" That to me is impossible. For all who are saved have fruit, for all were chosen unto good works. Not the same fruit for all but fruit nevertheless. Please don't put genuine believers with those who are imposters. People will think they both think and react the same and have the same father. All genuine Christians are been transformed by the Holy Spirit.
True believers will alway produce good fruit. You might not see their individual lifes to see them producing good fruit, and only look at their failures in life.
---MarkV. on 1/21/09


yes, it is a rarity. Took me a long time to find a body that spoke the truth. I drive 30 miles one way to attend and it does not matter. I am receiving the truth. That is what matters.
Some here just don't want to truly study and ask God what does this mean? Or When God points them to one with more knowledge, they just refuse to hear.
Anyway, God bless and I appreciate your honest answers.
---g on 1/19/09


My Pastor uses scripture to verify scripture and teaches as he is preaching. He also gives references for us to go back and check in the Bible.
Has even offended some
God bless you!
---g on 1/19/09

He is a rarity. I was 40 years old before it was pointed out that the scripture witnesses scripture. Saddening and maddening. The many, preachers I've spoken with have less foundation than the bloggers on this site. It might sound like I'm against all of them....I'm not. But, whip hard scripture on the wolves,money grubbers,false etc....they mark theirselves. Can't fault anyone for ignorance....except these who make a profession claiming otherwise.
---Trav on 1/19/09


Ever notice that the preachers uses 2-3 minutes of scripture and 30-60 minutes of story,jokes opinion?

Some denom',buildings called churches are the wide way.

---Trav on 1/5/09
I completely agree.
My Pastor uses scripture to verify scripture and teaches as he is preaching. He also gives references for us to go back and check in the Bible.
We call the building the place of worship not the church because the building isn't the church.
Has even offended some who believe the building is the church. Truth just hurts sometimes.
God bless you!
---g on 1/19/09




The main difference between the Old Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant of the church is expressed by John 1:17

For the law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The choice should be rather simple to make.
---lee1538 on 1/17/09
As per the blog question above. Grace,mercy,redemption,forgiveness,cleansing etc, was given in covenant form to the same people it was taken from originally.
They have not heard,(ears)"Good News" yet. Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31.

Be ye mindful always of his covenant, the word which he commanded to a thousand generations,
1 Chronicles 16:14-16

We haven't even reached the half way point of generations yet
---Trav on 1/19/09


The main difference between the Old Sinai Covenant and the New Covenant of the church is expressed by John 1:17

For the law was given by Moses but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

The choice should be rather simple to make.
---lee1538 on 1/17/09


It is through the Covenant made with Judah and Israel which includes both the nothern and Southern Kingdoms that all people will be blessed. It is this Jewish heritage that many churches reject by disregarding that the Church is to follow. 2Tim 3:16,17

Today when people check out truth they often go to the New Testament only. But Bereans checked out what Disciples taught against the only Scripture they had which was what we call the Old Testament.

The truth is upheld by entire Bible not just parts of it. Grace is found in the Old and the New.
---Samuel on 1/5/09

AMEN, Samuel. Although I will not use the term judeo Christianity. Both Kingdoms are found in the New Covenant, and Judean's would have him not.
---Trav on 1/6/09


IF the confession is made with the BELIEVING IN OUR Heart THE WORD IS TRUE...GOD'S WORD WILL SAVE.

Transformation is a process...
THE WORD DOES NOT CHANGE...WE DO.

WHO,WHEN,WHERE...ETC...
God knows...
We encourage without judging...
God's Peace.
---char on 1/5/09


In the Beginning WAS THE 'MEMRA'...
Jn1:1
Understanding the NAME of God was not spoken/written -substituted.
Aramaic translations(Targums)Yehovah or Elohim was changed to 'WORD' (memra).
Gen3:8
"and they heard THE VOICE OF MEMRA(the WORD)walking in the Garden.
God's instructions to the Prophets...
"WRITE THIS DOWN"

How do we know " CHRIST" WRITTEN or SPOKEN if we don't READ/KNOW WHAT WAS WRITTEN/SPOKEN?
How can we CONFESS WITH OUR MOUTH AND BELIEVE IT IN OUR HEARTS...
If we don't KNOW IT?
How can...(JESUS CHRIST)Bearwitnness(know us)If we don't Bearwitness(Know him)?
How WILL WE distinguish THE DIFFERENCES between (OTHER/ANTI)- christ...IF WE DON'T KNOW THE WORD?
God's Peace.
---char on 1/5/09


It is through the Covenant made with Judah and Israel which includes both the nothern and Southern Kingdoms that all people will be blessed. It is this Jewish heritage that many churches reject by disregarding that the Church is to follow. 2Tim 3:16,17

Today when people check out truth they often go to the New Testament only. But the Bereans checked out what the Disciples taught against the only Scripture they had which was what we call the Old Testament.

The truth is upheld by the entire Bible not just parts of it. Grace is found in the Old and the New. Love GOD and love neighbor is from Moses and JESUS. Deut 6:5 30:6 Lev 19:18

The James Law of Liberty is the Ten Commandments as James shows by quoting from them.
---Samuel on 1/5/09


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trav, I will sum all up with one scripture. seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness,and all these things will be added unto you.
---tom2 on 1/5/09

I'll share a witness below.

Hearken to me, ye that follow after righteousness, ye that seek the LORD: look unto the rock whence ye are hewn, and to the hole of the pit whence ye are digged.
Isaiah 51:1-3
2Look unto Abraham your father, and unto Sarah that bare you: for I called him alone, and blessed him, and increased him.
---Trav on 1/5/09


I hope that you get my point.
in this world today there are many people,so called born again people,who know scripture,backwards and forwards,but dont live it, at all.

I have yet after nearly 16 years too find a church where quarelling is not the number one thing going on within that church
---tom2 on 1/

I get your point, but, see this....they actually do not know scripture. They may use a few and wear these out. Very few know/use witnessing scripture.
Ever notice that the preachers uses 2-3 minutes of scripture and 30-60 minutes of story,jokes opinion?

Some denom',buildings called churches are the wide way.
---Trav on 1/5/09


I hope that you get my point.in this world today there are many people,so called born again people,who know scripture,backwards and forwards,but dont live it, at all.as scripture describes a form of godliness but denying the power.there no power in their witness,in their lives,they live from circumstance to circumstance,seeking joy in the flesh,never really knowing God.many may even be saved,but there is no fruit in their lives.I have yet after nearly 16 years too find a church where quarelling is not the number one thing going on within that church,when it should be winning the lost,and walking in love.people today are totally absorbed by our society,and the desires of the flesh.TOTALLY.
---tom2 on 1/4/09


trav, I will sum all up with one scripture. seek ye first the kingdom of God and his righteousness,and all these things will be added unto you.
---tom2 on 1/5/09


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only God knows a heart,we can discern by the fruits of the spirit,but you must know this person,and today who do we really know?
---tom2 on 1/3/09

You are right. About discerning. You are right about fruits bearing.

Following/reading these posts, a week, two weeks the words/fruit eventually
expose us ALL.
The false witnesses, opinions,false gospels,doctrines have a problem when faced with scripture. Scripture will expose. When it is doctrine or opinion of men going against Prophets....it really shines light on the error. Rarely to the recipient, but to Bereans or the provoked. Deceived lost sheep my mission, non posters perhaps.
---Trav on 1/4/09


trav,iam not questioning your witness,or the fact that milk is milk.my question is when does studying become repitition,only because a person really is not living the word.a person can know the bible backwards and forwards,but not know God,or worse yet God knows them not.quoting scripture means nothing in so far as it relates to whether someone is saved or not.love,fruits of the spirit,love for all people,these are the signs that our lord spoke of that by them all men would know you follow me,not once did he say that scriptural references will show all men you follow me.
---tom2 on 1/3/09


I agree that scripture is needed for or when telling non believers ,or new believers what way they should live,and delivering the message about jesus.but let me say that I know many so called born again believers that have ,or are professing believers for decades,and they no practically no scripture,and in many cases none.why?because their lifestyles reflect that they live without the word.and as io said to spout scripture too me really means nothing.only God knows a heart,we can discern by the fruits of the spirit,but you must know this person,and today who do we really know?
---tom2 on 1/3/09


trav,I don,t question your witness at all.I do question anyone in the same way that our lord did,the saduchees,and pharisee,knew the law,aka the old testament,but live it in the pride of the flesh ,spouting scriptures, and puffing themselves up.my point is as our lord said he who would be first must be last,that you must be born again,that you could have all knowledge,and prophecy,and could move mountins,but have not love you are as a sounding bell,once more I will tell you my point,its not doctrins,its not my opinion,its GODS WORD,and I shall put my laws in the minds and write them in the hearts of my people.the saduchees and pharisees never took to heart,they were in their minds alright,just as it is today with most so called christians.
---tom2 on 1/3/09


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trav ,you have totally missed the reason why God sent his son too die for you.its not the bible that saves you.its not continously reading over and over scripture.as you insinuate.
---tom2 on 1/3/09

I have totally gained the true reason GOD sent his son. You sir, are correct in some scripture but, err in my witness.

I have checked scripture to accertain if mens doctrines are correct. No different than the righteous Bereans.

And it it with spiritual help that appropriate scripture is posted. I never plan what to say it just is there.
---Trav on 1/3/09


trav,
...just as with anything if you read a repair manual doesn,t make you a repairman,reading the bible doesn,t make you a christian.living the word, everyday,thats what makes you a follower of jesus.and a overcome
---tom2 on 1/3/09

Tom, as below. You wouldn't know what you know if it wasn't for scripture.

For whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning, that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope.
Romans 15:3-5

Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.
2 Timothy 2:14-16
---Trav on 1/3/09


trav,yes Gods word says dont worry about what you will say,the holy spirit will bring to remembrance,God does not expect you too know the bible verse for verse.love in your heart,real love for him and your fellow man is the begining.just as with anything if you read a repair manual doesn,t make you a repairman,reading the bible doesn,t make you a christian.living the word, everyday,thats what makes you a follower of jesus.and a overcomer
---tom2 on 1/3/09


trav ,you have totally missed the reason why God sent his son too die for you.its not the bible that saves you.its not continously reading over and over scripture.as you insinuate.its Gods plan thru jesus too write them in your mind and heart,aka spiritual rebirth. jesus said must be reborn to enter the kingdom,not read the bible from cover too cover for your entire life.then after at least what ? say 100 times you may enter?
---tom2 on 1/3/09


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reading the word is great,knowing the word is even better,but unless the word is written within your mind and heart,and you are living it out in your saily life than what or who is really in control?
---tom2 on 1/2/09

Tom, you're preaching to the choir here....take a fresh look at the wording....Laws in Heart. Laws. It does not say all knowledge,and the entire Bible will be imprinted upon your mind and heart.

You know immediately when you are in a battle with your earthly man....as do I. We or I am not rid of earthy man ....yet.
---Trav on 1/2/09


reading the word is great,knowing the word is even better,but unless the word is written within your mind and heart,and you are living it out in your saily life than what or who is really in control?
---tom2 on 1/2/09


trav,my faith is all and totally in jesus,and as we know ,he is the word.our meat lies in him,our salvation ,in him,our joy in him,all the fruits of the spirit ,in him.knowing him,loving him,obeying him.the whole bible is in him,about him,without him is nothing,with him is life,without death.
---tom2 on 1/2/09


trav,i disagree with you ,we are free without scripture.or references to scripture ,whether we know it or not.we as believers in jesus have been set free,as our lord said those that the son sets free are free indeed.jesus is the word,jesus is fullfillment of the word.we follow him.
---tom2 on 1/2/09


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Remember...
Jesus is the same YESTERDAY(OLD TEST),today,for ever...
Heb13:8
...will not return to him void....
Is 55:10-11


Who being in the FORM OF GOD...
Phil2(Read)

The Form of...
"Urim & Thmmin"used for casting "LOT"EX28:30
"The WORD BECAME FLESH"
etc...
Jesus(inoous)="Lot"Strongs#2424
"LOT"in Hebrew is always "STONE"

No need for sacrifies or casting "Lots"...CHOSE CHRIST THE WORD MADE FLESH WHO FULFILES THE LAW.
God SPOKE OUT HIS LAWS,WORDS spoken or written stays the SAME..
the FORM of it CHANGES.
"REPENTANCE AND REMISSION"

Study...
1Cor10:5-12
God's Peace.
---char on 1/2/09


also jesus taught that one must be born again,born of the spirit,the INDWELLING SPIRIT
---tom2 on 12/31/08

Tom, we have no argument on new laws in heart. I known this for several years.
It is one and the main way to identify lost Israel now.
You stated we need no scriptural witnesses as long as we have this. This is not correct, and is a seperate thing entirely.

You are not scripture free. Men / women are freed of adversarial doubt through scripture. The spirit can also work through scriptural truth.
I appreciate your total faith in the New Covenant and it is rare .
Meat must be obtained,given,eaten to sustain the eaters of to stand firm. Especially now in these days of Jacobs troubles.
---Trav on 1/2/09


also jesus taught that one must be born again,born of the spirit,the INDWELLING SPIRIT a rebirth.this rebirth ,this indwelling is not doctrine,it is a truth that God has said must happen to be saved.
---tom2 on 12/31/08


trav you are so wrong the indwelling of Gods word in the mind and hearts of his people is DGods plan ,not mineapparently you have not read ,or dont understand this fact wriiten by God in jermiah 31,and hebrews 8. this is where God himself says he will right his laws in the mind and hearts of his people,SOUNDS LIKE INDWELLING TOO ME.
---tom2 on 12/31/08


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trav,
I had answered my own question in my post but thank you for your input.
It is through Abraham's covenant that all of mankind is blessed. The coming of Jesus fulfills it and saves all.
This is how through Israel and Judah all man kind are blessed.
Trav, see genesis 22:18 that is the answer.
And, you still thinking in the flesh.
The blessing is not through physical contributions. Remember we are not saved by works. We are saved by Jesus. this is the blessing God promised to all mankind through Abraham.
I am not arguing about the contributions, they are true just the blessing itself.
---miche3754 on 12/30/08


trav
your requiring scripture as backup only shows you arent indwelled,and tryig to teach in direct opposition to scripture,
---tom2 on 12/29/08

Tom,
No offense taken, appreciate your ironic use of scripture to make your point on me using scripture.

The scary thing you facing with Two or Three scripture references are they do not stand with your indwelling doctrines.

This might just be your indwelling trying to tell you something. If scriptures is saying one thing and your head another.....

I'd probably pray for a little eye opening guidance to whip ole Trav with scripture. Ur Indwelling opinion is coming up short...by scripture.
---Trav on 12/30/08


the old covenant had a curse attached to it for those who didnt keep it.
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the new covenant has no curse, because Jesus bore that for all adherents.
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old testament saints were usually Jews. but the blood sacrifices included the 70 gentile nations.
in the genealogical record of Jesus there are a few gentiles who accepted the Jewish covenant.
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those of the new covenant may receive benefits and blessings generically speaking of many promises in the old testament. however, all the promises to the Jews are still unto the Jews. all of the writers of the NT were still Jews having received Yeshua as their Messiah. they didnt teach a gentile version of Christianity as many churches do today.
---opalgal on 12/30/08


trav,
It says that ALL peoples on the earth will be blessed through Abraham."
How is it possible ALL will be blessed?
---miche3754 on 12/29/08

Try this. Take a fast trip through History.
One people, took Christianity up as a standard. Not without flaws but, in Christs name, fulfills the blessings and blessings to all people. This people, printed scripture took to all known world in all languages.
They give freely. Scientific, medical,agricultural,musical,space programs,ecological programs, mining,drilling,computer.....blessingsetc,etc,etc.
We're so busy enjoying blessings, we do not link them to scripture.
Whether we are or are not Abraham,Jacob's people. We've tasted blessings.
---Trav on 12/30/08


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leslie,i disagree there is a BIG difference between the old covenent and the new.the old was the law,the old testament is not the old covenent in and of itself,it was with abraham,issac,and jacob and involved sprinkling off blood by the high priest once a year for remission of sins.in the new convenent God has said I will write my laws in the minds and hearts of my people,aka being born again of the spirit.and God has said the old shall pass away.God has intended for the old covenent too end with the death and resurrection of his don,but the hebrews rejected jesus.so gentiles have been grafted into the vine.
---tom2 on 12/30/08


The New Testement adds onto the Old Testiment, making it a more powerful, and everlasting Covenant.leslie 12/29/08

This is not true. It doesn't add, it simplifies.
Trav makes a good point- the old was divorced (he says remarried and made a virgin, I say new bride- virgin- that to me says new bride)by God and married new.
God changed it. He cut of the old and put on new.See Mark 2:21 can't put old with new.
2 Corinth.5:17
Also,Jeremiah 31:31, Hebrews 8:8,13, 12:24
The New does include all of mankind. Gen 22:18 Through Abraham, Israel, Judah, and ALL nation shall be blessed. Jesus Christ is the blessing & fulfilled this covenant.
And Jesus says to keep these 2 commands-Matt 22:36-40 and the rest will follow.
---miche3754 on 12/30/08


There is not merely one covenant, but two, the Holy Bible is divided into two separate Testaments: the old one B.C.(from Before Christ), which is the letter of the Mosaic law, this is abolished and put to death, and there is the New one A.D.(from the Annual of the Lord), which is the Spirit of Christ, this is 100% inforce and supercedes the old abolished law.
---Eloy on 12/29/08


.leslie, There is a vast difference between the two covenants, for generally the old covenant stipulated: You will love your neighbor, and hate your enemy, but the New Covenant stipulates: Love your enemies. Jesus says, Of the Old Testament you have heard, An eye for an eye and a tooth for a
tooth and a life for a life: but the Lord God gives you a New Law, Love your enemies. Please Read Matthew 5:38-48+ John 13:34,35.
---Eloy on 12/30/08


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The psalms and Isaiah and other places tell us that God made an everlasting covenant with his people. But they broke the covenant. All the punishment we are going to receive is for breaking both covenants. If we loved God and our neighbour, we would keep the commandments, which are not difficult but very easy indeed. People who love sin will say that they are an impossible burden, but Jesus says that his burden is light.
---frances008 on 12/30/08


The first covenant was the keeping of The Ten Commandments. No one was able to meet the conditions of this old convenant, so, God sent His son, who was able to FULFILL the requirements of the Law, "Don't assume that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill." and establish the New Convenant which is, "... Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind....Love your neighbor as yourself." By accepting Christ as Savoir, a person has fulfilled the requirments of the 1st Covenant. "For God loved the world in this way: He gave His One and Only Son, so that everyone who believes in Him will not perish but have eternal life."
---wivv on 12/29/08


There is NO difference between Covenants. Jesus NEVER did away with the Old Covenant, but FULFILLED it. The New Testiment adds onto the Old Testiment, making it a more powerful, and everlasting Covenant. We are to live by the Old and New Testiments alike. Both Old and New Covenants required a blood sacrifice to wash away sins. The ONLY difference between Covenants, is that Jesus was the FINAL blood sacrifice to wash away sins. The blood of Jesus washes away and covers ALL sins of ALL people, that confess and repent of sins.
---Leslie on 12/29/08


The new covenant requires us to live under the LAW OF LIBERTY.

James 1:25
"the perfect law...".

James 2:12
"judged under the law of liberty".

In the old covenant, the spirit had been poured out on The House of Israel, but for the "true worshipper", the spirit had not yet been given.

Ezekiel 39:29
"I pour out my Spirit upon the HOUSE OF ISRAEL..."

Joel 2:28
"it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit on ALL FLESH...".

John 7:39

"the SPIRIT had not been given, because Jesus was not yet glorified".

John 4:23
"when the true worshipers will worship the Father in SPIRIT".
---more_excellent_way on 12/29/08


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Can someone please explain the difference between the New Covenant and the Old Covenant? Blog Question.

To understand this question. Old Covenant was a marriage between GOD and Israel.
... saith the LORD, for I am married unto you: ...Jeremiah 3:13-15

...backsliding Israel committed adultery I had put her away, and given her a bill of divorce, yet her treacherous sister Judah feared not, ...br>Jeremiah 3:7-9

New Covenant brings back Former wife as a virgin:
He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant for ever: holy and reverend is his name.
Psalm 111:8-10
For this is covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord,....
Hebrews 8:9-11
---Trav on 12/29/08


as a beleiver i dont need to prove any point too any other believer.it is by command of jesus that the holy spirit shall convict unto repentence.if believers are constantly using scripture too fellow believers to make or prove points ,than actually someones salvation is in question.
---tom2 on 12/29/08


trav read hebrews 8-8-13 and jermiah 31-31-34 the question was about differnces,quite clear God says he will write then in their hearts and minds,and very cleaqr that they will no longerv teach their neighbor know the lord ,for thy shall all know me.this is thru indwelling.your requiring scripture as backup only shows you arent indwelled,and tryig to teach in direct opposition to scripture,
---tom2 on 12/29/08


Christ is the beginning of the New Covenant. Salvation came first to the Jew, Jesus was a Jew, and then also onto the Gentile. But now God Commands all humans every where to repent. The New Covenant is for all people: God is No respector of persons nor any prejudicial racist, for many disobedient Jews are in hell and many obedient Gentiles are in heaven: For as many of you have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, for flesh is flesh, and God's covenant of salvation is for all whom will obey Christ. And if Christ's, then are you all Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
---Eloy on 12/29/08


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trav,
you say Jesus didn't come to save ALL nations, only Israel and Judah.
but this is false.
Look closely at the covenant God made with Abraham. Specifically Genesis 12:3
"It says that ALL peoples on the earth will be blessed through Abraham."
How is it possible ALL will be blessed?
Through Abraham's seed, Jesus Christ.
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name
Other references:
Jeremiah 31:31,33, Matthew 5:17, Luke 22:20
Ephesians 2:8-9, Romans 6:23, 8:9-11, Hebrews 9:15
You can continue to insult, but that it is okay, I forgive you. Jesus says anything we endure for his sake we will be rewarded for.
---miche3754 on 12/29/08


i disagree,his people may need too use scripture to show Gods message too non believers,but believers dont debate one another,using the word.the word uses them,because its written in their minds and hearts,it changes them,renews them,gives them peace,and joy.its not written to cause debate between believers,or too prove points between believers,or as many believe have a never ending different varied meaning as many would suggest.
---tom2 on 12/29/08


Gods word of writing his will in the minds and hearts of his people.thru his son.
---tom2 on 12/27/08

His people, correct. His people should use scripture to witness a point.
He hath REMEMBERED his covenant FOR EVER, the word which he COMMANDED to a THOUSAND generations.
Psalm 105

And confirmed same unto Jacob for a law, and to ISRAEL for an EVERLASTING covenant:

Psalm 105:
And he remembered for THEM his covenant, and repented according to multitude of his mercies.
Psalm 106:
He hath given meat unto them that fear him: he will EVER be mindful of his covenant.

Psalm 111
He sent redemption unto his people: he hath commanded his covenant FOR EVER: holy reverend is his name.
Psalm 111<
---Trav on 12/29/08


I tried to explain to trav but since Im a woman and He believes Im suppose to learn in silence
He refused to hear me
---miche3754 on 12/28/08

1. First verse above shows attempt at teaching...no scripture ever used for support
2. As a Christian or a woman pastor you do witness no knowledge or authority by knowledge, or GOD. (Weak watery milk)....no scriptures used, no prophets witnessing your falsehoods.
3. I do refuse to hear blaspheming of scripture.
4. You use one scripture and don't understand it. All Israel is under the new Covenant now. The Divorced GRAFTED back into the other houses. Two sticks prophecied.
---Trav on 12/29/08


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micah3754,that the issie with many so called believers today,they want to debate meaning of word as they see it,or better yet they hear it.
---tom2 on 12/29/08


No debate,argument when two or more scripture references are support. Would be arguing with GOD or Prophets GOD chose.

Witnessing scriptures takes personal element away.
When self proclaimed pastors or revs have not these....he,she has NO witness of GOD.


In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.
2 Corinthians 13:1-3
But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.
Matthew 18:15-17
---Trav on 12/29/08


micah3754,that the issie with many so called believers today,they want to debate the meaning of the word as they see it,or better yet they hear it.my point is God always has had a plan,that plan is jesus.being born again of the spirit,then allowing God thru repentence and submission to change us thru the holy spirit to become more and more like jesus. writing his will,his word in our hearts and minds. even woman ha ha ha.who was the first too see our resurrected lord?the men were cowering ,hiding scared too death.well my attitude is not always correct either,I guess iam just a sinner,but iam really trying too walk in love all the time,but its hard.
---tom2 on 12/29/08


tom2, AMEN brother!!
I tried to explain to trav but since Im a woman and He believes Im suppose to learn in silence and not know Jesus (we are suppose to have a personal relationship with Jesus)
He refused to hear me.
I ask him about the new cloth that can't be sewn to the old. And the new wine not being put into old vessels, trav refused to answer instead he blew me off, said Im disobedient.
Im here for edification and learning, not insults.
We can't mix old with new. Jesus replaced the old with the new. Grafting those who believe in Jesus into the vine. He came to save us all.
God wishes that none are left behind.
Anyway, continue on and bless you!!
---miche3754 on 12/28/08


missed again,God himself sent his son jesus to die for the world.being born again of the spirit is fullfillment of Gods word of writing his will in the minds and hearts of his people.thru his son.
---tom2 on 12/27/08


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The Old Covenant was made between God and Abrham,(the Patriarch of the jewish people)To have a part in the Covenant Jewish laws had to be followed.
The New Covenat is Jesus,which replaces the old Covenant. ( john 3:16 )
---TARA on 12/27/08


No one alive today travelled in the desert with the people that Moses led out of Egypt, nor does anyone have the same family lineage or DNA. Two thousand years ago, the new covenant was made between God and ISRAELites (not Germans, French, etc.).

Romans 1:16
"to the Jew first"
"and also to the Greek"/Gentile (non-Jew).

You cannot have MORE salvation than another person by pretending that you are a Jew or imitating the Hebrew culture or the Bereans who were interested in following Paul.

There are "better" things to salvation (Hebrews 6:10) such as knowing the "depths of God" (1 Corinthians 2:10), but no one can have "more" salvation or "more" eternal life.
---more_excellent_way on 12/27/08


More Excellent Way - The savior IS NOT "Yeshua" (we are not Israelites, Hebrews, or Jews, we are CHRISTIANS), the savior is JESUS

I beg to differ with you - His mother called him Yashua (Hebrew)- Ya means G-d, shua meaning saves, for He shall save them from their sins. His mother, Miriam, (her Hebrew name) would not have called him by and English name as she did not speak English. Jesus - Yashua, was born a Jew.
---Gophylann on 12/26/08


The Bible means "yes" to those who OBEY the covenant. And "no" to those who don't. The Old started with the Jews, but is for anyone who will obey. And now the better convenant has come through Jesus. About Tom's comments > I understand Tom means the New Covenant is for the whole world, but because ones refuse this they miss out. Scripture > "And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world." (1 John 2:2) So, in His heart, on Calvary, Jesus desired and sought forgiveness for all the world. This is how we should be loving, then, with hope for "all" (Matthew 11:28), though ones will refuse permanenty.
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/26/08


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To Whosoever has an ear to hear?

Heb.8:4-6 if Christ were on earth, He should not be a priest....who serve unto the example and SHADOW of heavenly things...according to the PATTERN shown in the mount...But now hath He obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

The excellent ministry that Christ now reign in as mediator, is this better covenant established upon the better promise which is through the Power of the Seal of the Holy Spirit unto the redemption of Salvation.

Anyone still residing under the schoolmaster of the law are still abiding under a SHADOW of things which have already come through faith in Christ.

God Bless
---Shawn_M.T. on 12/26/08


For the Son of Man came to seek and to save what was lost. (Luke 19:10)
I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance. (Luke 5:32)
For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. (John 3:17)
For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God. (Romans 14:11)
That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth, (Philippians 2:10)


continue please...
---miche3754 on 12/26/08


The Old was broken by Jewish people.

The High Priest of the Old was many different men. Today it is one JESUS.
---Samuel on 12/24/08

Samuel, because me and you were taught by blind leaders...they being blind, cannot see the key contextual people. Jews, Judeans made up on one part of Israel. The largest part 10 other nations were divorced of GOD....to be redeemed by the New Covenant. These are Gentiles you are referred to.
Get your concordance out. Re-read verses you posted in Heb and Jer. Does not say a covenant with all Gentiles. Scripture does say these nations of Israel were among the Goyim, Gentiles. But, will sifted as corn. You may be one of these grains of corn....but, know it not.
---Trav on 12/26/08


One way to understand the two covenants is to closely read Galatians 4:21-31. Ishmael and Isaac were both sons of Abraham but one was born of a slave woman(under law) and one was born of a free woman(under grace).
---mima on 12/26/08


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Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

First many say the New is made with the world. That is false. It is made with Israel. We who are genitiles by birth must be grafted into Israel to be saved. When we become circumsied in heart by being Born Again by the power of the HOLY SPIRIT then we are part of the New Covenant.

Salvation comes from the Jews. Hebrews 8,8 John 3, 4:22 Romans 11 2:29
---Samuel on 12/24/08


Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day [that] I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

The New is not the same as the Old. The Old was broken by Jewish people. Today we are saved from sin and the world. Not Egypt. Also the Old was in symbols. Now we have the reality of JESUS.

The High Priest of the Old was many different men. Today it is one JESUS.

The Old dealt with a nation and local goverment. Today we live in different nations. The Old is written for us and is used to teach us. It is good for doctrine and teaching.

2 Tim 3:16-18 Romans 15:4-9 Hebrews High Priest
---Samuel on 12/24/08


the new with all the world,and sealed with the death and resurrection of jesus christ.
---tom2 on 12/23/08

Where is this scripture? Think we need it to confirm.
---Trav on 12/24/08


The "old" can be interesting.

Ezekiel 39:29
"when I pour out my Spirit upon the HOUSE OF ISRAEL, says the Lord God."

Joel 2:28
"And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit on ALL flesh...".

Luke 3:6
"all flesh shall see the salvation of God".

Colossians 2:9 (Jesus is the WHOLE fullness of God).
"For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily".

We are NOT Israel, we are CHRISTIANS, therefore, it should be understood that knowing about the old covenant can be an interesting academic exercise, but is not REQUIRED.

Acts 2:17
"God declares, that I will pour out my Spirit upon all flesh...".
---more_excellent_way on 12/24/08


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The old covenant was based on the technicalities of law and ritual/ceremony.

Today (in the new covenant), we have Jesus and the Holy Spirit (the old covenant involved neither). The savior IS NOT "Yeshua" (we are not Israelites, Hebrews, or Jews, we are CHRISTIANS), the savior is JESUS. The heavenly Father is not "Jehovah", "Elohim", etc., the Father is "I am who I am" (His FOREVER name, Exodus 3:14).

Scripture contains alot of good advice (wise counsel). Paul said that he made the personal decision to know nothing about devotion except Christ and Him crucified (1 Corin. 2:2). It would be wise of us also to have the same priority. Many people rather glorify themselves instead of Jesus.
---more_excellent_way on 12/24/08


g the biggest differnces are explained in both jermiah 31-31-34 and re written again in hebrews 8-8-13.the old convenant was the law,the new convenat is written within the hearts of believers in jesus.the old convenant was with israel,the new with all the world,and sealed with the death and resurrection of jesus christ.
---tom2 on 12/23/08


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