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Self Righteous Pastors

Do you believe most pastors and preachers see themselves as self-righteous?

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 ---mima on 12/26/08
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If truly called, they do not see themselves as self-righteous.

My pastor considers himself a regular member of the church body. He feels that his role in the church body is to guide us and direct us. He considers his role in the church no more important than that of the choirmember or the greeter. (We are all members of the body of Christ).

He will be the first to admit that he sins just like the rest of us. And because of that he needs to remain focused on Christ 24/7--just like the rest of us.
---john on 7/27/09


** I suggest that there is no Biblical position of a pastor.**

I don't suggest, but will say right out that you're wrong, Rod, and so does the Bible.

Ephesians 4:11
It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers,
---katavasia on 3/20/09


if thy see themselves this way then they are deceived.The word tells us those that are self righteous are not of the spirit.Only God is self righteous,we as believers can be made righteous,by the blood of christ.
---tom2 on 3/19/09


Rob, don't keep your focus on Eloy too long for it will move you to sin. Focus on the Word of God and how you can help others and you will be out of danger. Others can bring us to sin very easy. It happens many times here. Sometimes I believe it is the work of the enemy to move us from our focus which is in Christ. Blessings brother
---MarkV. on 1/3/09


Eloy, you are the who is of falsehood because of the one that you serve.

It is you who needs to repent of your evil and wicked ways.

You claim to serve God, but it is very plain that Satan is the god that you serve. This is very apparent to others, but you are blind to this.
---Rob on 1/3/09




.rod, Since I am from the Lord, I am not able to receive your falsehood, but when you repent then I will be able to hear you.
---Eloy on 1/3/09


.rob, Look into the mirror before you address me
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NO MAN looks in the mirror before he addresses another flesh and blood man ...only a vain man of the world would have "christian arrogance" to say to another man to "look in the mirror before they address me"

True Christians HUMBLE themselves BEFORE GOD NOT a mere man no matter what office of Christ any man believes he holds

ONLY Christ is our intercessor

Amen Anne on post of 12/29 and to all of Rod's posts too

a self righteous minister/pastor has elevated themselves in their own eyes ...they have become intoxicated with the power of another spirit ...blurred vision leading their flocks astray
---Rhonda on 1/2/09


Eloy: Like I said, you live in a concoon of your owe making. You see the world as you want to see it, rather than the way it really is. Arguing with you is like wrestling with a pig in the mud. The pig likes, and I get dirty. It's a waste of time. It's challenging not to respond in kind. I look forward to standing before the Judgement of Christ and to see how you respond. I will stand clothed with the blood of Christ. It is obvious to the other readers of this blog what your mind set is, you display a great illustration of Pharaseism and religiousity.
---Rod on 1/2/09


.rod, I posted your words exactly what you posted. First you said you were an atheist, and then you changed to an agnostic. period. And your last sentence says you believe that Jesus was either a fraud or else whom he claimed to be. But your last sentence does not in any wise proclaim that you surrendered your life up to Jesus Christ and became a born-again Christian, because you indeed have not done so. So yes, I see exactly the truth, you still need to be saved, for you continue to blaspheme and your heart is proven to be hard.
---Eloy on 1/2/09


Eloy: I give. Apparently you didn't the whole blog. The last sentence in that blog was: "I came to the conclusion Jesus was the greatest fraud that ever happened, or He is who He said He was." You see what you want to see. Just to make it extra clear for you, "He is who He said He was."
---Rod on 1/1/09




.rod, you yourself take a breath, do you not remember posting on the blod, entitled, Did Adam and Eve incest: "I used to be an atheist, but it didn't make intellectial sense. For a person to know that there is no God takes as much faith or more than to say I know there is a God. So I became an agnostic, it made more intellectial sense, one just couldn't know."
---Eloy on 1/1/09


Rob: You are welcome, and thank you for your encouragement as well.

As far as Eloy is concerned, see what I mean? I personally think he has a persecution complex. But, I could be wrong about that.
---Trish9863 on 1/1/09


Thanks, Trish, I won't. I don't know many of the bloggers here and am getting to know where they are coming from. Thanks also for displaying a gentle spirit.
---Rod on 1/1/09


.rob, Look into the mirror before you address me. Jesus says: "Which of you maligns me of sin? And if I say the truth, you all do not believe me because you all cannot hear my word. He that is of God hears God's words: you all therefore hear not, because you all are not of God. If they called the Lord of the house beelzeboub, how much more them of his household? If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you, if they have kept my saying, they will keep your's also. But all these things will they do to you for my name's sake, because they are from the father who's the devil, and they know not him that sent me."
---Eloy on 1/1/09


.trish and rod, As they have hated Christ, so too they will hate the Christian from Christ: therefore I am glad that you mock me for my witness, for as Christ also suffered false-witness from the sinners, I am honored to suffer along with my God: knowing that God is not mocked, but every idle word, which if a person will speak, they will yield account of it at Judgment day.
---Eloy on 1/1/09


Eloy, how does it feel for you to be exposed as being a servant and advocate of Satan, who is is only masquarading as being of Christ?
---Rob on 1/1/09


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Rod: Thanks for the insight on my wording. God is the true keeper of the flock, the pastor is the earthly shepherd of the individual flocks within a church body.

Don't lose too much sleep over Eloy. He thinks he is sinless, and anyone who corrects him is sinning against him.
---Trish9863 on 12/31/08


Trish: I am also saddened and frustrated with the general attitude of many "pastors." Let me point out a misconception that you brought up. Yes, we need to pray for people exercising leadership over God's Flock. I am emphasising "God's flock." Believers are not the flock of a person on earth. There is one mediator between God and man, that is Jesus Christ. Many people believe that "pastors" are some kind of mediator like Moses. They should only be overseers because they want to be one, and they also qualify to be one according to I Timothy 3.
---Rod on 12/31/08


Eloy, take a breath. First things first, where did I leave you an impression that I didn't know if there is a God? Second, anybody can be obnoxious and get persecuted for their behaviour. Getting persecuted doesn't prove piety. Third, who do you claim I was mocking? Jesus mocked the pharisees for their arrogant, religious, and pious attitudes. Fourth, are you serious? or are you just pulling people's chain to get a reaction? If you are serious, I'll have to stop wallowing in the mud with you. You seem to like it, and I just get dirty. I need to be careful that as I try to correct someone that I don't get caught up in their sin.
---Rod on 12/31/08


.trish and rod, Jesus says of mockers: "Blessed be you all when which malign you, and will persecute and say all evil word against you, lying falsely, on account of me. Rejoice and raise high, that the bonus plenteous yours in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets, them before you. If they have kept my saying, they will keep your's also. But all these things will they do to you for my name's sake, because they know not him that sent me." And rod, you who have come to the decision that it is not possible to know if there is a God. You must seek him with your heart, and not your head. But if you look around at his creation you can see his handiwork.
---Eloy on 12/31/08


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what do you call when a pastor always point or associate everything to sin? isn't that SELF RIGHTEOUS? they speak as if they do not sin. they are not teaching but they are condemning about issues in life because they see & associate everything to sin. when somebody disagrees with them or rebukes them, they defend their 'beliefs'. I have noticed that communication is one way - from the pastor to the congregation. they tell you to obey, sacrifice, & an endless list of 'to do' in the name of obedience. they are close minded bec. they perceive everything as 'not biblical'. that is why people miss the blessings not bec. they lack faith but bec. pastors are obstacles bec. they point to sin. they do not have understanding & knowledge.
---mike on 12/30/08


Anne and Rod: I am saddened to learn that there are so many pastors who demonstrate arrogance similar to Eloy's. I am blessed with a humble, honest pastor who confesses his humanity regularly. He does it from the pulpit, as well as in private discussions.

During the summer, he did a series of sermons on Brokenness and was very passionate about the entire congregation, including himself, needing to fall on our faces before God in confession and repentance.

We need to pray for these men, and their flocks.
---Trish9863 on 12/30/08


Absolutely not if they did they would be at the altar praying and repenting.Jesus did not approve of the self righteous.Incidently I've known a lot of good pastors and most of them were not self righteous.
---shirley on 12/29/08


I hope so, I don't use my name cause I think I'm great, I'm like Lazarus, "he stinketh"
---Pharisee on 12/29/08


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Rod~ What you said is so so true. It is usually impossible to have a spiritual/Biblical conversation with most pastors because 'they have the power','they have the education' etc etc.

It was the same fight that outraged Jesus against the religious leaders of His day. They were such 'pious','whitewashed' people on the outside...but inside they would not heed Jesus' truths. Jesus rebuked these self-righteous ones with no mercy.

How many pastors have you met who are teaching God's truths with all their hearts (to turn from sin etc.)? I have not met many...most are too busy teaching church doctrines.
---Anne on 12/29/08


Sorry, Eloy, but your blog illustrates the arrogant, self-righteous attitude demonstrated by many "pastors." Thanks for illustrating the point. Your blog says unless one agrees with "us...in the Spirit" he is maligning the preacher. Then it proceeds to assume that the preacher is righteous, and anyone disagreeing with them God will get them. They shouldn't have the audicity to question the pastor. Your blog's tone is one of condemnation to anyone who questions what is being taught by the pastor. This is my point. One is not free to discuss with a pastor, in a spirit of submitting to one another, different points of views. "Do not mess with ... God's own children, ...God's fierce wrath.... WOW. Sounds preachy.
---Rod on 12/29/08


I could be wrong, but...if one was to define self-righteous as believing that they are self-anointed, self-appointed, self-called, and God-ordained, then I would agree that most believe that they are self-righteous. I have found it incredibly difficult to have a spiritual/Biblical conversation with a "pastor" because they know it all. Don't dare question anything that is said from the pulpit because God gave them the message. Don't dare challenge any decisions that are made in the local church, because God put them there. Most probably mean well, but power corrupts. There should not be a single "pastor" of a church, but a plural leadership with submtting to one another.
---Rod on 12/29/08


As in any profession, you have the selfish and the unselfish, and if the blind lead the blind then both will fall into the ditch. However many in sin bear false-witness against those of us whom are in the Spirit, for they think that by maligning the preacher they will dirty the pearl, and thereby will be successful in finding relief in their own sin. But mud-slinging against the righteous only backfires against the mud-slinger. For the Almighty God is with us, his eye is always upon the righteous and his ear open to our cry. All I can say is, Do not mess with any one of God's own children, unless you want God's fierce wrath in your life: for God is not mocked, and as he gave you life and breath upon his earth, he can also easily condemn you.
---Eloy on 12/29/08


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If there is reform needed then let's get busy and clean out God's house, first from the pulpit and then from the pews. You can not clean a house from the outside.Christians ran from the school system and look what happened. We home school, we home church, we only go to Christian owned businesses, and we live in gated communities. It is tough to have a believable voice and make realistic changes if we are not involved in the process. We Christians deserve what is happening to the Pastorate and the Churches because we have withdrawn from the problem. We either need to get involved or get silent. Pastors will only improve if we demand change and participate in it.
---TIMOTHY on 12/29/08


** I suggest you all becareful of what you say "Toch not my annointed and do my prohets no harm". **

Please, people!

There is NOT a double N in "anointed."

"aNNointed" is a misspelling. Period.
---katavasia on 12/29/08


Hi, Rod > 1 Timothy 3:1-10 talks about if a man who wants to be "a bishop" can be trusted with taking "care of the church of God" > now, if a "bishop" is trusted with the care of God's people, I think a "bishop", here, means a pastor since pastors take care of Jesus' sheep. And "elders" were told by Peter, "Shepherd the flock of God", in 1 Peter 5:2. So, "elders", I can see, means pastors, also. So - - the Bible terms "bishop" and "elder" would mean a pastor, I consider, Rod.
---Bill_bila5659 on 12/28/08


I do not know any personally, so it would be difficult to know. I will say this, any truly, actually, preachers who's actually going to make it to heaven will know and understand that they are only as good as God makes them, and that they are NOTHING without God.
---catherine on 12/28/08


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I have never met a self-righteous minister however I have heard about them in the media. Examples of these are David Koresh, Jim Jones,and the Leader of Hale Bop Comet group .... When a pastor is self-righteous I think they are considering themselves equal with GOD So we will eventually hear about them,or worship them ,think? ....I Think This Type of Minister Has Placed Himself In A Very Dangerous Before God ...think?
---Beth on 12/28/08


Putting a little more flesh on the question,
A friend asked me this same question. He said pastors always want the best seat at cut-rate prices, and actually have a self-righteous attitude towards those who sit in pews. And while I know what my friend is referring too I thought I would pass the question along and get others views.
---mima on 12/28/08


I suggest you all becareful of what you say "Toch not my annointed and do my prohets no harm". Even if you are correct we should not judge. Thats for God to correct.. So please becareful
---Kiannah on 12/27/08


Where does the Bible describe "pastor" as that position is used today. I suggest that there is no Biblical position of a pastor.I know Timothy 3. That's elders, not the postion of a pastor. How do I know if a person is "called" to be a pastor? What authority does a "pastor" have? Where does he get it? We should not call anyone a pastor. The Bible says to not call anyone "rabbi" or "teacher" which is the same as calling someone pastor. Whatever this pastor is, there should be submitting to one another. Usually, pastors submit to no one because they are "called." I admit, I have a bit of an axe to grind and may not be objective. I've seen many pastors who view themselves as pre-modonas.
---Rod on 12/27/08


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Yes I have heard a few few preach about wanting a mansion when they get to Heaven and what they will do when they get there, who going with them and so forth, I guess everyone can be a little over the top sometimes I guess It keeps them happy:)
---Carla3939 on 12/27/08


Of the ones I've known, and as a retired missionary I've known quite a few, have never met one who considered themselves, "self-righteous".
---WIVV on 12/27/08


well since righteousness is not a natural human trait and can and is found only in God,the statement self righteousness actually is a falsehood.meaning no human can actually be self righteous.they may believe they are,or have fooled themselves into believing they they can be righteous apart from God,but this too is a lie.
---tom2 on 12/27/08


mima, do you mean to say that most pastors and preachers (not the same thing) see themselves as self-righteous?

Or that YOU see them as self-righteous?
---katavasia on 12/27/08


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Depends. true pastors are not self rightious, only those whom are greedy & not wanting to serve the true lord are self rightious.
---eve on 12/26/08


Since I have never met, nor heard preach, MOST pastors, I can only speak about the ones I have been blessed to hear preach. The pastors and preachers I have heard, for the most part, are very humble men who openly preach and confess that they are sinners just like me.
---Trish9863 on 12/26/08


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