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Atheists Inaugual Ceremonies

Atheists are trying to remove any reference to God during the Inaugural Ceremonies including the Presidential Oath of Office. Does this concern you?

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The thing is that if atheists were really concerned about separating the state from religion (and other freedoms) they would not be democrats. How many republican atheists are there? Very few I would think. Republicans are the ones who protect the liberty of minorities from the mob. But maybe atheists are planning to be in the majority and completely banish all religious people to camps eventually. To say that George Bush puts you off religion is really funny ha ha. George Bush Jnr is a Skull and Bones member (freemason). Why do atheists blame Christians for what false deceivers say and do? Plus, I hope they are happy with Obama, who will not protect the rights of unborn babies, so I doubt if he cares about anyone else.
---frances008 on 5/19/09


Kat,

Here's one for ya...

De 15:1 At the end of every seven years thou shalt make a release.
2 And this is the manner of the release: Every creditor that lendeth ought unto his neighbour shall release it, he shall not exact it of his neighbour, or of his brother, because it is called the LORDS release.


This is the basis of the bankruptcy law, codified by Act of Congress, as declared by the US Constitution...

Article 1 Section 8: The Congress shall have Power:

clause 4--To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States...

Bankruptcy lasted 7 years: at least when we were still one nation, under God.
---BruceB on 4/26/09


**This country was founded upon Godly principles.**

Can you name any of these Godly principles (giving book, chapter and verse) as enumerated in either the Declaration of Independence or US Constitution, and the appropriate citation from these documents?
---katavasia on 3/19/09


"...when none of us (atheists included) can even take a breath without him. DOUBLE DUH!"
---Tsuanne on 1/24/09

Sorry but I just did...
---atheist on 1/25/09


Tsuanne>>>Oh I love this woman- man which ever. Have a great week, anyways.
---catherine on 1/25/09




Yes, well, I am about to get sick. Bring out the buckets.
---catherine on 1/25/09


Absolutely it concerns me. This country was founded upon Godly principles.Anyone who would wish to tear that down does not have the character to lead this nation wisely.

"The fool says in his heart... there is no God"

How very ignorant to try to remove God from everything when none of us (atheists included) can even take a breath without him. DOUBLE DUH!
---Tsuanne on 1/24/09


Absolutely it concerns me. This country was founded upon Godly principles.Anyone who would wish to tear that down does not have the character to lead this nation wisely.

"The fool says in his heart... there is no God"

How very ignorant to try to remove God from everything when none of us (atheists included) can even take a breath without him. DOUBLE DUH!
---Tsuanne on 1/24/09


Carter did "little" to mess up the country?
It didn't help to have a bunch of innocent American civilians held hostage in Iran and be unable to rescue them. A prime interest rate of 21% (the highest in US history) and double digit inflation weren't any benefit, either.
About the best that can be said was that he wasn't re-elected and the damage wasn't permanent.

And he proved that being "born-again" isn't the only quality to consider in a candidate.
---Donna66 on 1/22/09


separation of church and state is not a fact written within the constitution.the idea is that the government is secular,and of course the church religious,and the government should not be and can not be religious.a direct opposite of what scripture teaches.plus our government already is involved,IN GOD WE TRUST written in a few places,AND THAT THEY ARE ENDOWED BY THEIR CREATOR WITH CERTAIN INALIENABLE RIGHTS sorta like in the preamble ,remember THE GOVERNMENT OF THE people by the people for the people?well people believe ,people pray.true separation means all in government must be athiests.
---tom2 on 1/23/09




Tom:"their greatest point lies in the so called non existant separation of church and state clause which they seem to think the founding fathers implied in the constitution,which actually isn,t there.but what really shocks me is we have no rights but they do state of mind they seem to have because of this missing,or non existing admendment.in actuality we as believers are having our first admendment rights being trampled on by their claim that we have no rights to express our faith beause of this non existant admendment."

What?????
---atheist on 1/22/09


donna,i believe you are correct it shouldn,t. i think their problem is that we will use God and his word too make decisions based on this ,and they wish all of these choices or decisions too be secular based,and that in their minds God doesn,t exist this makes our decisions atleast in their minds unfounded ,and probably more emotionally based.
---tom2 on 1/21/09


atheist - *But as to Carter, I have always respected him for the strength and actions I believed came from his faith.

Like all too many that proclaim their faith to get elected, Jimmy & wife often contradicted their stated religious beliefs. For example, while making a big deal out of not drinking alcoholic beverages, they often served it at their dinners and then while turning the other cheek in the face of our enemies he caused us to lost much respect around the world for us regarding our foreign policies.

While some would praise him as a good president since he did nothing to mess things up, he really did little to advance our country.
---lee1538 on 1/21/09


their greatest point lies in the so called non existant separation of church and state clause which they seem to think the founding fathers implied in the constitution,which actually isn,t there.but what really shocks me is we have no rights but they do state of mind they seem to have because of this missing,or non existing admendment.in actuality we as believers are having our first admendment rights being trampled on by their claim that we have no rights to express our faith beause of this non existant admendment.
---tom2 on 1/21/09


Yes, because polls show that about 85% of the American public believe in God. To these people, "so help me God" means something. To the 15% of atheists, a small minority, it should matter little since they don't believe in God anyway. I think their efforts to change the oath are mainly a bid for attention.

Above all, if a President elect desires to include God in His oath, he should certainly be allowed to.
By the same token, an atheist should not have to swear by something in which he does not believe.
---Donna66 on 1/20/09


Lee, we do have different worldviews.

I agree that you can't trust politicians and the almost always say what they think you want to hear to get your vote. That's why I found Bushes election so disturbing.

But as to Carter, I have always respected him for the strength and actions I believed came from his faith. I especially give him high marks for continuing to do good after being President.

Obama, I believe, is pretty much telling us what he believes and intends to do. He's asking everyone to help and sacrifice, not telling people to go shopping...
---atheist on 1/20/09


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Maybe I am operating under the wrong premise.

While up in the health club steam room I met a political science major who proclaimed the fact that all politicians are corrupt but we need vote for the one that will do the most good for us and the country.

All too often politicians will tell you simply what you want to hear. If they know you will vote for a 'born again' person, that is what they will pump. And it is never obvious what kind of people they really are.

I was the only one in my church that did not vote for Jimmy C. - a born again candidate. Today few people view his views on women rights, abortion, political compromising,etc. as what is generally supported by the Christian community.
---lee1538 on 1/20/09


Lee,

Absolutely.


Lawrence, I wouldn't really care what people believed if I didn't have to live with the results of their beliefs.

George Bush was elected President because enough people to believe that he believed in the god they believed in and voted for him.

Look where that got us.

And, Lawrence, why do religious people work so hard to mistrust and even kill each other because they think the others believe in the wrong god?
---atheist on 1/19/09


I believe Obama wants to unite people behind himself despite religious or ethical differencs.

When you take sides, you often cut yourself off from people that could very well benefit you or the country.

Obama wants to be the president of all the people.

First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all people, for kings and all who are in high positions, that we may lead a peaceful and quiet life, godly and dignified in every way. 1 Tim. 2:1f
---lee1538 on 1/19/09


The Gov should just ignore the athiest. What really gets me about the athiest people is, why do they stir-up, fight & make arguement against something that they dont believe exsist?
---Lawrence on 1/19/09


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Trav,

Now really...

atrocity:the quality of being shockingly cruel and inhumane
---atheist on 1/19/09


Don't see anyone talking about attrocity by ur new pres: Episcopal Cafe has e-mail from Gene Robinson:
"I am writing to tell you that President-Elect Obama and Inaugural Committee have invited me to give invocation at opening event of Inaugural Week activities, We are One, to be held at Lincoln Memorial, Sunday, January 18,...
It is encouraging that the president-elect has chosen this spiritual hero for all Americans to lead the nation in prayer.....He said he will not use the Bible as his text, saying:
"While that is a holy and sacred text to me, it is not for many Americans," Robinson said. "I will be careful not to be especially Christian in my prayer. This is a prayer for the whole nation."
---Trav on 1/19/09


Timothy & wivv: FYI, Atheist & agnostics wanted to make Chief Justice Roberts not add "so help me God" to the inaugural oath (outlined in the Constitution) even though President-elect Obama told Roberts he wants to include the words.

Federal Judge Reggie Walton refused to order the words "so help me God" be taken out of Obama's oath. "So help us God", that's that -- AMEN! (Source: Christian World News, Jan. 16, '09)
---Leon on 1/18/09


God did not make the lake of fire and brimstone in vain. foolish atheists are known to be antiGod and antiChrist, that is why when they refuse to get right with God their promised fate is eternal torments in hell.
---Eloy on 1/17/09


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First: do you know that the Atheists are trying to remove any reference to God from the Inaugural Ceremonies as a fact - not gossip. Please document this matter.
Two: what can we do about it?
---wivv on 1/14/09


trish, my granddaughter goes too a school here in western pa.beth center, some 4 or five years ago when she was 11 she was a member of the school choir.she asked me too attend the christmas special. I was very pleasantly surprised that it started and ended with prayer in jesus,s name.not withstanding all the beautiful songs specifically about his birth.so yes I know there are schools which allow believers,and non their rights.so yes i do know what you are saying.my point was and is that there are those ,which I usually hear about through jay seckulow,that don,t like the posting of the 10 commandments.todays big thing,while not breaking any law is too say happy holidays,in lew of merry christmas,so as not too offend non believers.
---tom2 on 1/2/09


Tom2: I understand. I just believe that we need to be careful about when we make statements about any institution violating the rights of any citizen. Schools are not the only institutions that violate people's rights. It is the government's responsibility to enforce the rights of the people when it is brought to court.
---Trish9863 on 1/2/09


I use to see red. I use to get upset. Pat Roberson>>>"We need not pay undue attention to a bunch of screwballs". These people are taking up too much space. I wish they would jump in a LAKE. MAKE IT AN ocean. Don't tell me there's no God, I need God. Furthermore, this world needs God. Leave God alone. He owns everything, "screwballs".
---catherine on 1/2/09


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trish,no that was not my intent,evidently you misinterputed me. my point was and is that there are scholl districts that supress students religious freedoms.and have at times suspended said students.
---tom2 on 1/2/09


If the presidential oath, as given in the US Constitution, mentioned God (which it doesn't), it would require nothing less than a Constitutional amendment to remove such mention.

And that takes time.
---katavasia on 1/2/09


Tom2: I am aware of Jay Seculow. What has been the outcome of those cases concerning prayer and Christian kids in schools? I would probably guess that whatever the school districts have tried to do gets overturned by the courts.

The school districts are wrong and breaking the law if they punish a child for these things. You made it sound as if the kids were breaking the law, and that is not so. The courts continue to uphold the child's Constitutional rights when the parents bring the school districts to court.
---Trish9863 on 1/1/09


I believe there is some confusion among some here concerning legality and ignorance. I reviewed the Jay Sekulow website and saw exactly what I suspected. There are many teachers, as well as principals, who are ignorant of what the law allows concerning students expression of religious belief in assignments and other stuff on campus. The law supports the students expression of religion, not the schools suppression of it. Therefore, to say that students are being suspended for mentioning prayer in this discussion is not accurate. The law is clear, and the Jay Sekulow program has proven that. There are many ignorant educators who must be educated as to what the law says concerning this matter.
---Trish9863 on 1/1/09


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trish,iam glad that in your school its a different way.nut if you listn too or look up jay seckulow he has schools in court constantly over the issues i have described.
---tom2 on 1/1/09


There atheists that's what they do. I'm not surprised or troubled.
---Pharisee on 1/1/09


As I have stated on the blog about the 10 Commandments, it is not important about whether we can display the 10 commandments or pray in public places, whether the president swears on the Bible or any other such thing, what IS important is that we as believers have hidden the whole word of God in our hearts and whether we actually pray in our homes and whenever we can. We are to be lights to a lost and dying world, not more commandments for them not to follow.
---tommy3007 on 1/1/09


"Atheists are trying to remove any reference to God during the Inaugural Ceremonies including the Presidential Oath of Office. Does this concern you?" No.

Mat. 18:20 "For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them."

The Father and His Christ are ever present in the heart of believers.
Our presence will forever reference His presence and our voice can not be silenced.
---Josef on 1/1/09


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Tom2: Please give me the name, school, and state where a child was suspended for mentioning prayer in school. I am a public school teacher, and I have been teaching world religions for years in my 7th grade geography classes.

My daughter held Bible studies during her lunch period. The school district I live in has had Christian clubs, and "Meet You at The Pole" events for years. Campus Crusade missionaries from their Student Venture branch have been ministering in our area for a very long time.

I really want to know who was suspended, from what school, and in what state.
---Trish9863 on 1/1/09


yes,what cocerns me more is the removal of the bible from testimony oaths in many courts,and the complete removal of swearing to God to the truth.the mere mention of prayer in many schools gets a child suspended.society today is more concerned about human rights,and the courts seem to be in agreement.what about the rights of believers?by jesus,s command we are to witness to the lost.
---tom2 on 12/31/08


God is not mentioned in the Oath of Office. I quote the U.S. Constitution:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

What is your problem? Where do you get your misinformation?
---Trish9863 on 12/31/08


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