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Israel Gods Chosen People

We know that Israel was once God's chosen people. Do you believe that they continue to be God's chosen people today? Why or why not.

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---akajrn13
Michael means BOTH who is God? Who is like God
There is truely no need for a question mark.

Concermimg Joseph, the bible does not use Archangel it says the angel of the Lord.

In all of the bible only ONE angel is given the title ARCHANGEL and that is Michael. ArchAngel cannot be given to more than one angel. It means Chief / first/ or greatest. and only ONE messenger (which is what angel means) can be the chief or first or greatest messenger from God. And no one can deny that Jesus the Messish is the greatest messenger which we have ever had sent from God/ the father.
And Jesus is NOT a created being, he is LIKE THE FATHER/GOD John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, he that hath seen me hath seen the Father,
---francis on 6/26/11


John 5:28 the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his (JESUS) voice,And shall come forth, they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life, and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation

1 Thess 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with THE VOICE OF THE ARCH ANGEL, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

WHOSE VOICE RAISES THE DEAD? jESUS OR THE ARCHANGEL?

Daniel 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the GREAT PRINCE...
Daniel 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame [and] everlasting contempt
---francis on 6/25/11


Joshua 5:14 And he said, Nay, but [as] captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant?

Surely this captain of the lord's host / army is JESUS.

and who is this person in carge of the lord's army is it not the same captian of the lord's army leading his angels to battle?
Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon fought and his angels,

Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war:

Deuteronomy 20:4 the LORD your God [is] he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies,

If God is a man of war who commands his Army?
---francis on 6/25/11


francis,

we have already done this dosie-do. i am tired of being the visitor. let me be the home team and you answer my questions without equivocation.

does michael mean 'who is God' or 'who is like God?'

a or b

was joseph told by an archangel to name the baby Jesus?

yes or no is all i am looking for.
---akajrn13 on 6/25/11


so maybe you can also tell me where the witness of the prophets say that the Archangel Micheal and Jesus are one and the same. i am ignorant of this.
---aka on 6/23/11
Start with the word ANGEL itself. Is jesus an angel?
Exodus 13:21 And the LORD went before them by day in a pillar of a cloud, to lead them the way, and by night in a pillar of fire,

Exodus 14:19 And the angel of God, which went before the camp of Israel, removed and went behind them, and the pillar of the cloud went from before their face, and stood behind them

Do you think that THE ANGEL OF GOD/ THE LORD is the same as Jesus in some passages in the Bible?
---FRANCIS on 6/25/11




//Never looked at it. Not something that hinders or helps me.//

there are many others blogs that i have seen you take issue with...quite demeaning sometimes...how do you choose? selah.

//Are we one with Christ??//

Depends on who you say Christ is.

//Perhaps Michael has a special relationship too? He seems pretty unique.//

Michael, which means 'who is like God?' and not 'who is God?' as claimed, is very unique. He is an archangel. If Jesus is an archangel, he is no longer deity. salvation is not through anyone but God. a messenger of God appeared to Joseph and instructed him to call the baby, Jesus. "They will call him Immanuel (God is with us)" not 'who is (like) God?'
---aka on 6/25/11


trav, glad to see you again.

there are some who do not persecute.
so maybe you can also tell me where the witness of the prophets say that the Archangel Micheal and Jesus are one and the same.
---aka on 6/23/11

If one wants to honor their father, mother, GOD, their Spouse in love etc, the balance, who is to say they shouldn't.
Each one of us makes the attempt.....all fail in perfection of the attempt. With understanding mercy. The desire to please GOD is a worthy desire.

Ur question: Archangel Micheal and Jesus are one and the same??
Never looked at it. Not something that hinders or helps me.
Are we one with Christ?? Perhaps Michael has a special relationship too? He seems pretty unique.
---Trav on 6/24/11


//You get persecuted unduly by misunderstanding and well intentioned ignorance. Hey, it may be a blessing on you?//

trav, glad to see you again.

there are some who do not persecute. anybody who wants to keep listing the 10 commandments is fine by me. even Jesus gave witness to those and summed them up and fulfilled them.

so maybe you can also tell me where the witness of the prophets say that the Archangel Micheal and Jesus are one and the same. i am ignorant of this.
---aka on 6/23/11


Paul certainly said we Gentiles are part of the Israel of God through faith in the son of God, Jesus Christ, but Read Romans chapter 11. The very purpose of Jacobs trouble(the tribulation) is to bring that remnant of Israel back to their God, Zechariah 14.
---willa5568 on 6/23/11


Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.
---francis on 6/17/11

Fran, you one of my favorites. You get persecuted unduly by misunderstanding and well intentioned ignorance. Hey, it may be a blessing on you?

For witness verses to have weight, they must be of the same contextual value. Throw in a few prophets so it is absolute.
Gal 3:14... the Latin word "gentile" mistranslated,mangled from "ethnos".
Ethnos of whom? Gal 3:13> gives us some context :Gal 3:13 ChristG5547 hath redeemedG1805 "US" from the curse of the law, being made a curse for "US": ...
---Trav on 6/23/11




ONLT THOSE WHO ACCEPT THE PROMISE OF GOD BY FAITH ARE HIS CHOOSEN PEOPLE.

Galatians 3:14 That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God [which is] by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

Romans 4:11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which [he had yet] being uncircumcised: that he might be the father of all them that believe, though they be not circumcised, that righteousness might be imputed unto them also:
---francis on 6/17/11


A person would have to be completely ignorant of Biblical Prophecy and current events in the world not to see thar God still has His hand on Israel.
---michael_e on 8/14/10

Ironically by misapplication what you say is true. If not for the "Lost Sheep" of Israel, American Christians and others called as foretold and covenanted. The anti-christ brother/cousins would have fallen long ago.

They do not fit their married name that they actually lost..."Ruling with EL".
We have. We have misapplied in humility by misunderstanding who we represent. Has been proper to a point.
Isa 62:2
...all kings thy glory: thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.
---Trav on 6/17/11


Mike was correct in what he said as to who are the real Jews. Romans 2:29:
"For he is not a Jew who is one Outwardly " Been a descendant of Abraham does not make one a Jew. "But he is a Jew who is one inwardly, in the Spirit, not in the letter, whose praise is not from men but from God"
---Mark_V. on 6/17/11


Paul explains this in Roman 11. He refers to Israel as the natural olive branch in which we have been en-grafted. He says " a partial hardening has come upon Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles has come". But then says all of Israel will be saved(those who remain), which is the purpose of the period of tribulation, to bring the nation to repentance which did not happen at the first coming of the messiah.

"As regards the gospel, they(Israel) are enemies of God for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable"
---willa5568 on 6/16/11


No. Read Matt 21:43 and Matt 23:38. Jesus told the Jews right to their face that the Kingdom would be taken away from them and given to another.

Why? Because they were given seventy weeks to finish the transgression and make an end to sin. They failed. See Daniel 9:24. And then they rejected their Messiah, Matt 27:25 and John 19:15 when they shouted crucify him, crucify him.
---barb on 6/16/11


The 12 Tribes of Israel consist of the House of Judah and the House of Israel. Only 2 Tribes are Jews (Judah and Benjmain) the Levites are the priest and the 9 other Tribes are the Hebrew Israelites. The so called Jews today are the children of satan. They are Revelation 2:9 and 3:9. They are the seed of Cain and Esau. They are the tares. The bible never mentions a holocaust. Each time the Nation of Israel got out of line The MOST HIGH put them into slavery. The bible says that the Jews went into slavery on ships. Deuteronomy 28:68 and they had yokes of iron put around thei necks. Deuteronomy 28:48.
---Logical on 6/14/11


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Who is a Jew? Rom: 2:29 but he is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is that of the heart. There has always been spiritual Jews these were called the remnant. The church is not the spiritual Jew. The person with the circumcised heart is the jew.God only sees 2 kinds of people, saved and unsaved, (Jew and Gentile.)
---mike88874 on 8/15/10


No. Only the obedient are God's chosen.
---Eloy on 8/15/10


A person would have to be completely ignorant of Biblical Prophecy and current events in the world not to see thar God still has His hand on Israel. If He completely turned His back, Israel would cease to exist.
Israel is Israel with their earthly promises.
The BoC is heavenly with heavenly promises
---michael_e on 8/14/10


No! Now, I may get some problems in this, Jesus, but, I have studied a little bit in this. God, because of His Son changed some things. Now, you are chosen only through His Son's Blood. No one goes to heaven unless they are born-again through God's powerful and mighty Blood....and RAISED FROM THE DEAD....I am serious, If you die without Jesus Christ, you will go to hell, no matter of religion, nationality, race.
---catherine on 8/14/10


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The Jewish people still are. Even though they rejected Jesus Christ & He came to us gentiles.
Aft the rapture takes place, the door to the gentiles will be shut & then He'l return to the Jewish people.

The first ( the Jewish people ) shall be last.

The last ( the gentiles ) shall be first.
---Lawrence on 8/14/10


I am Speaking of Spiritual Israel which is the Body of Christ.
Covenant is no longer of the flesh. It is of the Spirit. God bless you!
---miche3754 on 1/13/09

Although it does not seem to concern you ....you post in direct opposition to scripture. Again and all prophets.. Not a woman thing...even preachers do this. You do provide the opportunity to show part of the mystery.
Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31 tell distinctly who the covenant was too. The mystery for you is you don't know where they are. Your logic is faulty. GOD's isn't.
---Trav on 6/19/09


Romans 4:16
Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace, to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all, (talking here about Jew and Gentile).

God gave us a perfect understanding of the ONLY KIND OF Faith He accepts....

The faith of Abraham represents FAITH without Law. Abraham was before the Law. Abraham believe God...this IS the faith of Abraham. He took God at His word.

Romans 4 explains the Faith of Abraham...and how JUSTIFICATION ...IMPUTED Righteousness by faith FIRST, plays in this important understanding of our salvation.



---kathr4453 on 6/18/09


Miche, great answer you gave. The Seed of Abraham is the same Seed of the new believers. Not of many seeds but of One Seed which is Christ. Jesus is the Spiritual Israel. All genuine believers are grafted into the Seed of Abraham.
---Mark_V on 5/9/09


Believers are not GRAFTED into a seed. We're not even Grafted into Jesus to begin with.

The grafting here is the Abrahamic Covenant. Believers are BORN of the Spirit. We are begotten Sons through Jesus Christ, not grafted in sons. The Church is not a Remnant of Israel. Galatians says, those who are of the FAITH of Abraham...are Abraham's seed and HEIRS, Joint Heirs with Jesus Christ according to Promise.
---kathr4453 on 6/18/09


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Jesus is God, not spiritual Israel.
---Betty on 5/10/09


Miche, great answer you gave. The Seed of Abraham is the same Seed of the new believers. Not of many seeds but of One Seed which is Christ. Jesus is the Spiritual Israel. All genuine believers are grafted into the Seed of Abraham.
---Mark_V on 5/9/09


When the Lord comes back, He is coming for His own people, not Jews who hate Him and deny Him. They will be left behind. Jews are not His people unless they are Christians. The land of Israel belongs to God and not them. If He wants to give it to others He will. The Name of the Lord is magnified. There are few real Jews living in Israel. Most of the real ones migrated centuries ago. Some were unholy and left because they were campaigning against God. God sent people like Nebuchadnezzar against them and he transported them to another land. They scrammed out of that land the first chance they got. Historical fact.
---Betty on 5/7/09


A word about the Jewish people.
In light of the fact that many in the world are calling for the establishment of an independent Palestinian Arab nation within the borders of Israel, The truth is, the Palestinian Arabs have no ancestral claim to any portion of Israel. The Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza Strip are the same Arabs that live in Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. The claim that they are being oppressed by "Zionist occupiers" is ludicrous on two counts. First, Israel is land that God covenanted to the Jews thousands of years ago, and Biblical prophecy tells us that they get their home back. We've been witnessing the fulfillment of that prophecy since 1948, when Israel became an independent nation. F
---mima on 4/13/09


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To the Jews, there is an eight day week. But in the seventh day you move back in to the first day, which is a holy day. St. John, chapter 10 verse 22. The feast of dedication was an eight day feast. Judas the Hammer, chosen to go in and tear down all the signs of paganism, and put up a new alter for the Jews. Which may happen in this day with revelation chapter 12. The child to rule all nations with a rod of iron. Revelations, chapter 2-3 speaks of the seven church ages so as we come out of that, that means the bride of Christ has been raptured, and we move into a new day. The seven angels, each one bringing a message of God, and each hving their own day to do it. Then the Jews have their time.
---joe on 1/14/09


kath, I am talking about Christians today.
Why do I have to break everything down for you to understand, sis?
Laws written in hearts instead of on tablets of stone. the Covenant of Abraham... the seed.. Jesus. Don't you see how these connect?
We are the New People of God that is talked about. Those in the Body of Christ.
I am Speaking of Spiritual Israel which is the Body of Christ.
Covenant is no longer of the flesh. It is of the Spirit. God bless you!
---miche3754 on 1/13/09


all peoples were created on the sixth day.Adam and Eve were created on the eight day.Cain went to the land of Nod and married one of the sixth day creations.
---willa8985 on 9/16/05

Well put. This is the most concise I seen it put, Willa. There were two creations that differ in Genesis. Two types of men women created. The hebrew language identify's. Strongs concordance helps a little.
---Trav on 1/13/09


WRONG PUT TRAV. And this is where you say not all died in the deluge...and somehow there are still beings without souls with us today who look like and talk like and walk like MAN...but another type.

THIS IS HERESY ! No scripture supports an 8th day man. LITTLE MISTER!
---kath4453 on 1/13/09


Israel is now in the hearts of people not in the flesh but the Spirit!
---miche3754 on 1/13/09

Miche, would you explain what you mean here? Israel the Nation is on the hearts of people??

Israel is on my heart...just like they were on Paul's heart...but Israel is not IN MY HEART. Jesus Christ is not Israel...Israel did not die on a cross for your sin. Jesus is GOD....Jesus is in my heart. Jesus Christ died for me...not Israel.

Jesus was never renamed Israel...only Jacob was.
---kathr4453 on 1/13/09


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you know I have posted many scripture to back up what I have said. It isn't my fault you won't receive it, brother.
God bless you trav.

From what I see of your scripture post, you still operate in the fleshly laws of the old covenant. But it is okay. I will still call you brother. We may disagree but I do see Christ in you in lots of your posts. We must still strive to learn and edify each other even when we disagree.
Jesus said for not to hold anything against our brothers and sisters. God bless you again trav!
Israel is now in the hearts of people not in the flesh but the Spirit!
---miche3754 on 1/13/09


trav, brother
you are starting to sound like an old little dog trying to bite with no teeth.

bless you!!
---miche3754 on 1/12/09

This little dog has run you all over the blogs, with no tail wagging, scripture teeth shaped like swords. Ruff, ruff. This little dog eats false giants Miss scriptures. Hmm. Didn't see yours,missy.

I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:7-9
that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant,
Hebrews 13:19-21
As mentioned previous...these I post to you can never be seen but, by who has eyes and ears. You make it possible. Thanks.
---Trav on 1/13/09


Trav, when you get this right, then YOU have a RIGHT to be heard, otherwise it's just empty SPECULATION! AVOID such who bring in distructive heresies!

Genesis 7:21-23
21And all flesh died that moved upon the (H776 ERETS),both of ...

23.... which was upon the face of the H127ADAWMAH ,both man, and cattle,....
---kathr4453 on 1/12/09
I loved your first four lines. Exactly what I'm talking about. You read my mind. Thanks.
Scripture will be heard regardless. Scripture can and will be understood by those with eyes and ears. It always has the right.
Ever seen a blind person grope? It's always obvious what they are tripping over. Some are so stubborn they will not accept direction. They fall.
---Trav on 1/13/09


Trav, when you get this right, then YOU have a RIGHT to be heard, otherwise it's just empty SPECULATION! AVOID such who bring in distructive heresies!


Genesis 7:21-23

21And all flesh died that moved upon the earth,both of fowl,and of cattle,and of beast,and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth,and every man:

22 All in whose nostrils was the breath of life, of all that was in the dry land, died.

23And every living substance was destroyed which was upon the face of the ground,both man, and cattle, and the creeping things,and the fowl of the heaven,and they were destroyed from the earth:and Noah only remained alive, and they that were with him in the ark.
---kathr4453 on 1/12/09


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trav, brother
you are starting to sound like an old little dog trying to bite with no teeth.

Bring some New testament scripture that backs up what you are trying to say about Race, That Fleshly Israel is only ones saved, that God is not going to save any gentiles. And please brother no cherry picking.
There are plenty of men on these blogs I hold in High esteem and love listening to because I know the Holy Spirit is Strong in them. You just don't like what I nor kath have to say because we simply disagree with you. And in your mind a woman is not suppose to do that. Heaven forbid a woman disagree with trav. You aren't the only godly man on this site. God bless you!!
---miche3754 on 1/12/09


Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things.Behold, how great a matter a little fire kindleth. And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the "WHOLE BODY:, and setteth on fire the course of nature, and it is set on fire of hell. James chapter 3 verses, 5-6. I hope nobody in this conversation claims to be a part of the bride of Christ.
---joe on 1/12/09


kath,

Trav,
1.afraid of women with the knowledge of God.

2. believes the bible is literal about Israel.

3.We follow Jesus & he doesn't like it.

Just because he knows scripture DOESN't mean he knows GOD'S TRUTH!


4.remember kath, it's those who are persecuted
5.Press on sister press on!!
---miche3754 on 1/12/09

Rebellious Press-ons.

1.I am afraid for women who get scripture tangled. Confusing truth, is not knowledge.

2.Scripture literally about,Israel & Lost Sheep.
Of Israel.

3.You two do not honor any male ...Jesus included,Timothy,Paul etc.

4.Persecution, a misnomer. Rebuke,is proper language.

5.Indeed...press on.
---Trav on 1/12/09


1 Peter chapter 4, verses, 7-9. But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer. And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins. Use hospitality one to another without grudging. Thought we all needed reminded about this scriture. Persecution can cause either growth or bitterness in the Christian life. Hopefully me writing this is the will of God, and through our Lord and savior Jesus Christ, we can find peace from confusion.
---JOE on 1/12/09


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Trav, I have been following your post concerning Israel, and you have answered some of my questions but have a little trouble reading some of your post. You cut them short, Here is one that I would like for you to comment posted on 1/6/9, You put down
2. Universal Ecclisia? General, yes. Wrong.
I know what Ecclisia means, but what is your statement on that?
I don't want to misjudge what you said, thanks
---MarkV. on 1/12/09


kath,
As you told me, ignore trav.
He's obviously afraid of women with the knowledge of God.
He believes the bible is literal about Israel.
He doesn't understand that true Israel is in the hearts of the FOLLOWERS of the WORD- JESUS CHRIST. He follows the prophets NOT the ONE they prophesied about- JESUS CHRIST.
He believes that skin color will determine if you get saved or not.
When Jesus says HE'S THE ONLY WAY. That JESUS will judge the HEARTS of men & women not their skin color.
We follow Jesus & he doesn't like it. Just because he knows scripture DOESN't mean he knows GOD'S TRUTH!
Remember kath, it's those who are persecuted in the Name of JESUS that will SEE the Kingdom of God. Press on sister press on!!
---miche3754 on 1/12/09


Trav....I believe the PROPHETS. I am not a prophet, but clearly know what prophecy is.

I wholeheartedly believe in the literal of Zechariah 12-14....among other prophecy.

All Prophecy is not yet fulfilled. AND there are no prophets TODAY. The Gift of prophecy in the Church age is to RE-ITERATE what SCRIPTURE has ALREADY prophesied. So Trav, if you have a problem with SCRIPTURE..then you take that up with the Lord.

It has been made CLEAR Trav, WE are not of the same beliefs or faith. Therefore, with that understanding...DO NOT address me again on these threads.
---kathr4453 on 1/11/09


Trav, teh discussion here on the thread is ISRAEL present Israel future. Present Jews who are saved are paer of the Church....and become NEITHER Jew or Gentile, but a New Creation in Christ.
---kathr4453 on 1/9/09
Israel is hidden from you. Israel much more than Judah, hunny.
The point, you keep missing is you don't have basics right....who gives you authority to teach? You are self appointed.

You do not know who Israel is, you do not know who Judah is. You do not know the first mark of either....and yet you seek to teach, preach,prophecy......you go against every prophet....who are you teaching for?

Three of us know, your lust for teaching authority.
The Lord knows it. You know it, I know it.

---Trav on 1/10/09


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Possibly some Jewish descendants were involved in some advances,but so were others.
---1st_cliff on 1/9/09

Name the others and you might see the Lost Sheep of the 11 other nations of Israel who lost her married name.

Judah did not, does not now nor ever will represent the entire nation of Israel.

Why this is not recognized today....This Northern House of Israel lost her married name. She is now known by another.

15And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
---Trav on 1/10/09


Trav, You don't think "being God's chosen people" based solely on race is an advantage?

God's chosen are now based on "belief" and it's motivation!

Computer,food medicine,money,safety ,music . etc..all came through Israel???

What history books are you reading??? I'm afraid he industrial revolution did not begin in the middle east.Nor the other technical,art,music advances. etc..They never even had a country 'till 1947!

Possibly some Jewish descendants were involved in some advances,but so were others.
---1st_cliff on 1/9/09


Trav, teh discussion here on the thread is ISRAEL present Israel future. Present Jews who are saved are paer of the Church....and become NEITHER Jew or Gentile, but a New Creation in Christ.

Israel future....after the Church is complete and translated out....will turn to Israel the Nation and God's promises to Them. A deliver will be sent...Yes the Messiah...and save them from Gentile arrogance...Zechariah 12-14.

The CHURCH is not a NATION, but a Heavenly Body of believers...who has a mystical union with Jesus Christ. It's a MYSTERY ...

No one here is discussing whether God reveales these truths to men only. WHY, because God doesn't want HIS Church, male/female to be IGNORANT of this Mystery....Romans 11!!!
---kathr4453 on 1/9/09


Trav, would you like to come and live in the New Testament CHURCH AGE NOW????

---kathr4453 on 1/7/09
Zech 13: 3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
---kathr4453 on 1/8/09

little busybody, your testimony was in the new. What are you doing where you don't believe. ha.
Your testimony is below.
Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
1 Timothy 2:12
I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
1 Timothy 2:11-13
For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
1 Peter 2:14-16
---Trav on 1/9/09


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Israel's FUTURE!!!!



Zech 13: 3Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.

4And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley, and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. ...6And it shall come to pass in that day, that the light shall not be clear, nor dark:

7But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD, not day, nor night: but it shall come to pass, that at evening time it shall be light.
---kathr4453 on 1/8/09


My what tiny little minds!!!
NO ONE has an advantage because of race!!
---1st_cliff on 1/6/09

Never seen word advantage mentioned. Israel under Servanthood of GOD after all . What advantage that? I see, not Judah, but the balance of Israel still serving. Responsible for your computer... Probably the food you ate, the money in your account. the medicine we take, the safety we live in,moral laws, music etc, etc. All these were given of GOD through this people....to all nations that honored this people....since Abraham and now.

For mine own sake, even for mine own sake, will I do it: for how should my name be polluted? and I will not give my glory unto another.
Isaiah 48:10-12
---Trav on 1/7/09


Just because some people are descendants of an early nation that God tried to cultivate into a holy nation that rebelled and He cast off! Is in the minds of some an "advantage" over ... say Europeans, Africans Asians or Americans???

My what tiny little minds!!!

NO ONE has an advantage because of race!!

Christians have the "advantage" and Christianity is not racial. Period.

The only Jews God favors today are the Spiritual ones!

The land occupied by Israel is more sacred than London, Madrid,Tokyo or Houston??? Nah! Just ask anyone who lives there!
---1st_cliff on 1/6/09


Israel will and always have been God's land and choosen people. The Jews and Israel will also be who rebuilds the 3rd temple for Christ's return.
---cindy on 1/6/09


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Trav: Some comments make sense, but I have a hard time following some of the logic. I know we can only use so many words, but maybe explain more. That Jeremiah passage 31:35-37 is great. Thanks.

Basically, I see two threads of thought. One, The promise to Abraham became spiritual, and we know for sure some of this concept to be true because of passages in Galatians.

Second thread, God is still working in and through Israel, and God will complete His promises in the literal earthy Israel, with the "spiritual seed of Abraham."

I find it incredible that Israel is in the land, after paying a price in WWII, and Genesis 16:11-12, "Ismael... will be a wild donkey..." is still happening in the Middle East.
---Rod on 1/6/09


Three questions
One, is Abrahams covenant with God still effective?
Two, .. universal church, the New Covenant replaced the Covenant with Abraham or Mosesaic Convenant or both?
Israel is back in their land after 2,000 years.
---Rod on 1/5/09

1.Covenants...blessings. More than one.

......everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
Genesis 17:6-8
36If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.
All seed of Israel..Judah only makes up 1/13th.
2.Universal Ecclesia? General,yes. Wrong.

3.Steveng...covers subject well on this site. No coincidence on this little nation.
---Trav on 1/6/09


I didn't see this blog when I posted a similar blog two days after this one was posted. I'll use this one because the question is phrased a little better than mine. Three questions come to mine after reading the replies to this blog. One, is Abrahams covenant with God still effective? Two, is it the general consensus that the universal church, the New Covenant replaced the Covenant with Abraham or Mosesaic Convenant or both? Is it purely a coincidence, seemingly consistent with prophesy concerning Israel, that Israel is back in their land after 2,000 years. Personally, I spiritualize some and equate our spiritual life with God as Israel had a earthly life with God.
---Rod on 1/5/09


Yes of course they are God's chosen people today. Why? Because He said so.

He who touches you, touches the apple of my eye.

Read the book of Romans where it says he will graft the Jewish people back into His Kingdom.

The paradyme shift is happening NOW in the Kingdom of God - God is softening the hearts of the Jewish people to show them that Jesus is their Messiah as well.
---donna8365 on 1/5/09


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Trav, Up until Jesus' appearance on earth there were only two types of people .Those who were Jews and those who were notbr>---1st_cliff on 1/4/09

Lets do it this way. You would be saying GOD forgot the other sheep. His former wife.
The other 11 nations. Mentioned in revelations. Mentioned in Acts.
to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.
James 1:1-3
Unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come. For which hope's sake, king Agrippa, I am accused of the Jews.
Acts 26:6-8
Consider the number mark ten. Consider the number mark 12.
---Trav on 1/5/09


When Jesus said "I have other sheep (Gentile) that are not of this sheep fold (Jewish) they will become one flock one shepherd"(Jn.10.16)
---1st_cliff on 1/4/09

One flock/one stick.
Eze 37:19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

26 Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them, it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
---Trav on 1/5/09


Trav, Up until Jesus' appearance on earth there were only two types of people .Those who were Jews and those who were not.

Altho they enjoyed God's handiwork of nature the non-Jews were not His concern.

When Jesus said "I have other sheep (Gentile) that are not of this sheep fold (Jewish) they will become one flock one shepherd"(Jn.10.16) Hence Paul's comment "there is neither Jew nor Greek.."etc. What are they then??? CHRISTIANS!

Forget about political Israel as far as being God's people are concerned,they are simply another nation on earth trying to survive like the rest of us! They happen to live on historical biblical land! but so do the Palestinians!
---1st_cliff on 1/4/09


They are no longer His "spiritual wife"

Christians are now His "Spiritual Israel"
(Gal.6.16)
Hitler reeked havoc upon natural Jews killing 6 million,without God lifting..
---1st_cliff on 1/3/09

1.New Marriage Covenant was to Israel & Judah only, as per Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31, and scripture prophecy mentioned prev in Isa 62, states as fact.

2."Many",Christians are Lost Sheep of Israel who recognized the messiah and are infilled and will be renewed.

3. The Jews, mentioned are the fig tree cursed....additionally not all Jews are Judeans...as per Rev,
I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 2:8-10
---Trav on 1/4/09


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Trav, since you seem to enjoy focusing on the law of externals, what does that law suggest to you? Abraham had two sons, one by a bondwoman, the other by a freewoman. One born according to the flesh, and one through the promise of the Spirit, both were symbolic of the two covenants. The first, from Mount Sinai giving birth to bondage, which corresponds to natural Jerusalem (the bond woman), in bondage with her children. The second, from spiritual Jerusalem (the free woman), giving birth to the liberty of Christ. All believers are the children of promise, born of the Spirit. "Cast out the bondwoman and her son born (symbolically) of the flesh, for we, the sons of promise, are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free".
---Josef on 1/4/09


Trav, Have we got the cart before the horse or vise-verse?

You're citing Isa.62 written circa 730 BCE

Jeremiah about 580 BCE

Shortly after God allowed the Babylonians to sac Israel and were dispossessed of their land.

They are no longer His "spiritual wife"

Christians are now His "Spiritual Israel"
(Gal.6.16)
Hitler reeked havoc upon the natural Jews killing 6 million,without God lifting a finger of aid...that ought to tell you something!
---1st_cliff on 1/3/09


Who are the Hebrews of today?

Term Israel never intended to be applied to any particular ethnic group

it is a spiritual term applied to those whom the Father has chosen from among mankind as sons/daughters.
---Josef on 1/3/09

Today? People with the marks. Over seventy. The seed as
sand on beach, stars in heaven.

The LORD did not set his love upon you, nor choose you, because ye were more in number than any people, for ye were the fewest of all people:
Deuteronomy 7:6-8
Same people, physical and spiritual....

IF THESE ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the SEED of Israel also shall CEASE from being a nation before me for ever.
Jeremiah 31:35-37

Sun shining?
---Trav on 1/3/09


Trav. You're missing the point here, he is not allowed to "re-marry" the same spouse that he divorced. She's allowed to marry anyone else if he dies.
---1st_cliff on 1/3/09

I see what you are seeing. I'll try listing by scripture.
Original Wife free. Husband died. She is cleansed virginal now. New wife, same husband. Technically every point is covered.
It is the greatest love story, the finest miracle of all, 2008 completed and still mostly unseen.

1.Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken, neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.
Isaiah 62:3-5
---Trav on 1/3/09


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Trav. You're missing the point here, he is not allowed to "re-marry" the same spouse that he divorced. She's allowed to marry anyone else if he dies.
---1st_cliff on 1/3/09


Who are Israel? Jacob's twelve sons who make up the natural house of Israel is composed of six sons through Leah (a Hebrew), two sons through Rachel (Hebrew), two sons through Rachel' hand maid (ethnicity unknown), and two sons through Leah's maid (ethnicity unknown). When the tribes are sealed Dan was excluded and replaced by Manasses son of Joseph through his wife (an Egyptian). If the ethnicity of a people is determined through the father, the house of Israel are Hebrews. Who are the Hebrews of today? The term Jew references only the tribe of Judah. The term Israel was never intended to be applied to any particular ethnic group, it is a spiritual term applied to those whom the Father has chosen from among mankind as sons/daughters.
---Josef on 1/3/09


Trav, the people of planet earth are going to be severely spanked in the near future and some are already receiving it. It is a matter of time alone. God showed in Ezekiel 16's prophecy that the whorish woman who he had a covenant with is going to be allowed to do all the evil she wants, and then he will punish her so severely that she will not open her mouth again. It does not give me any pleasure to prophesy these things, but the reverse. I have done my best since 2003 to tell people to wake up and smell the coffee. But everyone (except a few select people) have enjoyed living in this state of affairs which is so far from wholesome and obedient. Okay, some have died for the cause of human freedom, but how many of us noticed that???
---frances008 on 1/3/09


Well God divorced Israel,(Jer.3.8) and according to the law no one can legaly re-marry a divorced spouse!(deut.24.4)
---1st_cliff on 1/2/09
Cliff, this was pointed out to me also.
YAHSHUA,GOD in man, died.....ever wonder why these verses below....just pop up in scripture?
the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth, but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
Romans 7:1-3

So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law, so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.
Romans 7:2-4
---Trav on 1/2/09


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Trav, Your complete answer is not all that "complete" . The Hebrew word for everlasting,according to the concordance,can also mean "for a long time"!Why would I bring this up??Well God divorced Israel,(Jer.3.8) and according to the law no one can legaly re-marry a divorced spouse!(deut.24.4)Israel became "detestable in God's eyes"
---1st_cliff on 1/2/09


We know that Israel was once God's chosen people. Do you believe that they continue to be God's chosen people today?
....Blog Question.

Question completely answered:

1. Jer 31:31 Heb 8:8....I will make a new covenant
with the house of Israel
and with the house of Judah.

2.I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, to thy seed after thee.
Genesis 17:6-8
hath confirmed same to Jacob for a law, to Israel for an everlasting covenant,
1 Chronicles 16:16-18
to Israel for everlasting covenant:
Psalm 105:9-11
Israel shall be saved in the LORD with everlasting salvation:
Isaiah 45:16-18 (
---Trav on 1/2/09


If God keeps his covenant with Abraham then those people are special, separated, and blessed. God chose them because of Abraham. Nevertheless, we are all God's children through Jesus Christ.
Israel still is the natural branch and we are the grafted in ones. Yes, we all belong to the same plant but we are not the natural branches. Israel is, because of Abraham.
---john on 1/1/09


Dear Mima,are you referring to the
geopolitical State of Israel's people
or are you referring to the Nation of
Israel which many of us are adopted into?
---kevin on 1/1/09


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Galatians 3:26-29

"For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."

God's chosen are those in Christ. Therefore, as the verses indicate, nationality/ethnicity isn't a qualification for being a member of God's chosen people.
---Bobby3 on 1/1/09


Mima: God's chosen people are everyone (out of all nations of the world) who "choose" to believe and to obey Him. (Romans 9)
---Leon on 1/1/09


Mima, How many times have you asked this question??

The answer is ,as always "Christians" are God's chosen people.Period!
---1st_cliff on 1/1/09


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