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Nation Of Israel Signficant

Do you believe that the Nation of Israel has any unique significance in God's plan for today or the future?

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 ---Rod on 1/3/09
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"And when he saw a fig tree in the way, he came to it, and found nothing thereon, but leaves only, and said unto it, Let no fruit grow on thee henceforward for ever. And presently the fig tree withered away." Mat 21:19 The modern state of Israel has nothing to do with Bible Prophecy. Also Jesus said "Behold your house is left unto you desolate"
Mat 23:38 The temple WAS destroyed in 70ad after the Gentiles trampled the Holy city 42 months to fulfill rev 11:2 Then his enemies became HIS footstool to fulfill Heb 10:12. Then he put HIS precious blood on the HEAVENLY mercy seat as he APPEARED the second time without sin unto SALVATION. Heb 9:28. If this event is STILL in the future, then your SALVATION is STILL in the future.
---rod on 3/13/09


YES. I believe EVERYTHING that the Bible says.
---jody on 1/23/09


Praise, Glory & Honor be unto our Father(God), for all is as it should be and as it will be as spoken in his words...

Lift up your hands and give Glory to God that you live in the day's in which you do,
Give Praise, our Redemption is close by, even at the DOOR....

Glory, Glory, Glory be unto our Father & his son Jesus, who IS coming for his Bride and then to rule with a rod of iron from upon Gods Holy Mt. for the 1000 yr. reign...

Watch the E.U, it IS from their a man(666) will rise with the Answers for a 7 yr. Peace Agreement, and when they say Peace, Peace has come, SWIFT destruction will follow.
YLBD
---Duane_D_Martin on 1/23/09


Interestingly Israel pulled out of the Gaza Strip(home of the Palestinians) just as Obama was being sworn in as the president. The significance of this timing should not be overlooked.
We will soon see how Obama treats the nation of Israel, if he declines to favor Israel, or becomes a stumbling block in our way, or insist on two nations being made of their land this will indicate that the slide is greased for our downfall internationally.
In reality the question is not if but when we(the United States) will back away from Israel. We are living in momentous times.
---mima on 1/21/09


Thank you, trav.
Another question- this verse says "seed" not "seeds".
Isn't seed spoke of Jesus?<
---miche3754 on 1/15/09

Seed, fruit,offspring.....
Abraham had Children...name change meant "father of multitude" line did not stop,or GOD lied or changed.
He cannot do either.
Jesus in death freed the divorced wife who land was polluted for remarriage. Heb 8:8
Total fulfillment seed of blessing/forgiveness/salvation/redemption/engagement. Honorable/perfect marriage vow relationship and promises.
Ignoring this relationship,good-news gospel to all Israel is to trashcan divorced first love. Gospel = "Good News".
---Trav on 1/16/09




I believe absolutely that Israel is significant. God has made many promises to them, some of which He has yet to fulfill, and we know God keeps His promises. When God made His covenant with Abraham, to give his descendants the land forever, He put him to sleep so that it would be one-sided, not conditional. He further confirmed this when He promised, after allowing Israel to be taken captive, to bring them back into the land and forgive all their sins.

When Jesus hung on the cross, He said Father, forgive them for they do not know what they do. I am so thankful their disobedience and rejection did not cause God to renege on His promises, it gives me confidence that He wont change His mind about the Church either.
---Laurie on 1/15/09


Covenant that still exists today: Gen 17:7 thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant,
---Trav on 1/15/09

Thank you, trav.
Another question- this verse says "seed" not "seeds".
Isn't the seed spoke of Jesus?

And if it is, isn't it planted in ALL true Christians?
I am refering to the Parable of the Sower in Matthew 13.
Jesus being the seed.

God bless you!
---miche3754 on 1/15/09


9:8 that is, the children of the flesh -- these are not children of God, but the children of the promise are reckoned for seed,
---miche3754 on 1/15/09

Sarah....was the wife who was promised. 1st Wife. The son of the flesh was through a handmaid. Sarah doubted because she was so old. She offered a secondary fruit...bearing tree...thinking with her fleshly mind. Through faulty deduction and lack of faith...deal with Isamael's offspring today. Another reason women should not tempt their men or teach when they cannot realize what consequences will happen.
Covenant that still exists today: Gen 17:7 thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant,
---Trav on 1/15/09


Trav,
if its actually fleshly israel why does Paul say this in Romans chapter 9?
9:6 ....for not all who are of Israel are these Israel,
9:7 nor because they are seed of Abraham are all children, but -- `in Isaac shall a seed be called to thee,'
9:8 that is, the children of the flesh -- these are not children of God, but the children of the promise are reckoned for seed,
From what I have read and studied, Paul speaks a lot about the true Israel being of the Spirit of Christ- the seed planted in the hearts of his followers, that is Israel. That they are the "ethnos" spoken of.
God bless you!
---miche3754 on 1/15/09


When 'Israel' is mentioned as the heirs to the promise, it means 'true Israel', those 'in Christ'.
---Bobby3 on 1/14/09

Exactly. As prophecied to this people.
Judeans we know who they are.....Greeks translates originally "Ethnos"G1484eth'-nos
Probably from G1486, a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe, specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan): - Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
The context of the N.Covenant are the nations/ethnos of Israel who were divorced. This is why only two groups are given in the scripture. It is a "nation" thing. Heb 8:8, Jer 31:31.
---Trav on 1/14/09




Trav: Since you accuse me of cherry-picking verses out of context, allow me to provide some context. The verses I cited are representative of a general theme of the NT epistles, namely that not all Israel is true Israel (Rom 9). Galatians 3 speaks of the promise made to Abraham and his Seed(v16 cf Gen 12:2-3), which is Christ. Therefore, those who 'put on Christ' (v27) by faith (v25) are heirs to the promise. Therefore, as the verse in Galatians originally cited (v28) indicates, neither nationality nor race determines whether an individual is an heir to the promise of Abraham. Only faith does. The promise is not void (v15), therefore. When 'Israel' is mentioned as the heirs to the promise, it means 'true Israel', those 'in Christ'.
---Bobby3 on 1/14/09


Trav: Your disapproval of my answer is in no way a valid refutation of it. How about addressing the two verses, explaining the 'proper' context of them, ...---Bobby3 on 1/13/09

I apologize. You made a defining statement totally against the context of scripture. Upsetting. Very Book you quote is called the New Covenant, it derives from the Old. It is clearly stated who it is too. Prophesied fuufilled. You make prophets and GOD a liar when you change it. Granted done in doctrinal error.
I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:
Hebrews 8:7-9
cont'd
---Trav on 1/13/09


Trav: Your disapproval of my answer is in no way a valid refutation of it. How about addressing the two verses, explaining the 'proper' context of them, and giving actual grounds for your disagreeing with me? If you wish to engage in a discussion with me over the issue, do so, by all means. However, name-calling ('blind') and attempting to invalidate my response with a generalization ('modern way...') is not an appropriate way of doing this. As for the question itself, much more could be said in support of my answer, but space limited me. However, if you do not address the little I did write, why write more?
---Bobby3 on 1/13/09


Rod_Yes it does.

It's one of the most important "SIGNS" the Lord(Jesus) gave to the D's and said to look for...

The Blooming of the Fig Tree(Israel),
which it did in 1948, as Daniel,Ezek, Isaiah & Matt's books said they would, and that they would become the Burdensome Stone in the End Times(THIS means "Israel" HAD to become a Nation AGAIN after it was destroyed in 70 ad).

In just 60 yrs. they have made an Oasis out of a DESERT(In Troublesome Times), and ALL manner of trees are growing there as written it would be...

I can go on and on about the importance of Israel, I hope this helps.
YLBD
---Duane_Dudley_Martin on 1/13/09


A couple of verses should suffice as an answer to this question:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek,

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away" (Heb 8:13).

No particular nation or race of people is 'of any unique significance', for the new covenant has rendered the old (which DID count the nation of Israel as significant) obsolete.
---Bobby3 on 1/12/09

This is the modern wide way of dealing with scripture. Take two verses out of context
and pronounce to all this is the answer. If this was the answer you could throw the rest of scripture away....which sounds like what has been done. Blind.
---Trav on 1/13/09


A couple of verses should suffice as an answer to this question:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise" (Gal 3:28-29).

"In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away" (Heb 8:13).

No particular nation or race of people is 'of any unique significance', for the new covenant has rendered the old (which DID count the nation of Israel as significant) obsolete.
---Bobby3 on 1/12/09


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Actually they are not 100% sure where the temple should be built. The temple institute is still trying to figure out exactly where the temple needs to sit. Some say it is just to the West of the dome-some say exactly where the dome sits. But that is one of the many reasons they haven't started building yet--because they just aren't 100% positive where it is supposed to be built. (and they are awaiting a sign from God that they are supposed to start building it) Read- Grant Jeffrey: The New Temple and the Second Coming. Very good and insightful book about the 3rd temple.
---cindy on 1/8/09


The third Jewish Temple must be built on exactly the same location as now sets the Dome of the Rock the third holiest place in Islam. Interestingly the Jewish religion by laws prohibit the Jewish people from destroying other religions sanctuaries.
So how will the destruction of the Dome of the rock take place? Maybe, earthquake, rocket fired by Moslems, or as the great one eye General Mosiah (can't remember his last name) said on face the nation 30 years ago might be an earthquake but who knows anything can happen. To be continued.
---mima on 1/7/09


part -2- It will be this third Temple that the Antichrist will give the Jewish nation permission to build. I believe the rebuilding of this third Temple will part of the peace plan(seven-year peace plan between Israel and her Arabic neighbors) that is spoken of in the Bible. This temple of course will be destroyed during the battle of Armageddon. And then in the millennial kingdom to come there will be a fourth Jewish temple built. The builder of that temple will be no less than the master builder himself The Lord Jesus Christ!!!!! Glory to the name of Jesus!!!!! Thank you Jesus for what you have done, are doing, and will yet do!!
---mima on 1/7/09


As far as the future-Israel will be who builds the 3rd temple before Christ returns--for the "absolution of desolution" which is when the anti christ will enter the temple and demand to be praised and worshipped as God. So the 3rd Temple must be rebuilt before Christ return so the absolution of the anti christ can happen as the Bible states. Israel must build this in Jerusalem.
---cindy on 1/7/09


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Thanks donna for your thoughts. FYI, there is a similar blog to this one, that I didn't see till I posted this one, called,"Israel God's Chosen People." I have been jumping back and forth since finding it. I tend to spiritualize some passages related to the concept you present. There does seem to be a bit of a paradigm shift happening with a "Messianic Movement," but many of these people I see are Gentiles becoming Jewish. If I understand John Hagee correct, he believes the position you present, but he also believes that Israel is saved by virtue of being Jewish, which I don't believe, based on Abraham's Covenant. I focus on a personal walk with God daily ready for whatever happens, but open to God's future plan.
---Rod on 1/5/09


God's heart is for Israel to come back to Him and He will graft them back into His Kingdom. God's heart is for his People Israel. Alleluia, the Lord God reigns.
---donna8365 on 1/5/09

Donna, well put. Consider the largest part of Israel, the ten parts along with Judah. Scripture will naturally fall into place when discovered that this is the Israel/lost sheep the Lord was referring too. Judah, his own received him not....but, like the samaritan woman at well....whose father Jacob had dug....recognized and accepted.
John 4:12Art thou greater than our father Jacob, which gave us the well, and drank thereof himself, and his children, and his cattle?
A woman of the country of Samaria...but in essence, of lost Israel.
---Trav on 1/5/09


There is a paradyme shift happening in the Kingdom of God right now. God is softening the hearts of the Jewish people and allowing them to see that Jesus is the Messiah.

Israel has MUCH unique significance in God's plan for today. The bible tells us to PRAY FOR THE PEACE OF JERUSALEM and "HE who touches you Israel, touches the apple of my eye."

God's heart is for Israel to come back to Him and He will graft them back into His Kingdom. Read this in the book of Romans.

When Israel is attacked by Russia and Iran, God will step in and destroy these nations. You don't touch God's people. God's heart is for his People Israel. Alleluia, the Lord God reigns. Thank you Father God.
---donna8365 on 1/5/09


If we read Romans 11 we will see that God has not cast out Israel. She is still the natural branch and is going to be saved.
---john on 1/5/09


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---1st_cliff is correct most Jews do not like(or believe in) the Lord Jesus Christ. That however does not keep Jesus from being a Jew nor does it prevent him from loving the Jewish people. Almighty God made a covenant with the Jewish people an everlasting covenant and it will not be broken. Failure to understand the Jewish nation remains God's favorite people is a great mistake leading into many mistakes the main one of which is replacement theology.
---mima on 1/5/09


Opalgal, *They know the OT bible better than Gentiles*? I doubt it, what they do know is the Talmud,Mishna and Gammara!(their holy books)

Your view is like many fundamentalists,that "someday" suddenly KABOOM all Jews will become Christians.
It ain't gonna happen!

Have you not read the OT how stiff-necked their course of action has been even tho God nurtured them as a mother does a child?

Your understanding of prophecy does not fit current events or the right view of the bible! caused by confusing the literal with the symbolic!
---1st_cliff on 1/4/09


Thanks for your comments so far. This is an honest question with some major ramificaions theologically (eschatologically). It implies that Jesus has not come yet and nullifies Naulon's view that Jesus already came. If Abraham's Covenant with God is everlasting, then Israel will live in all the land (yet to happen) physically, and that is yet to be fulfilled with Jesus coming and reigning over Israel at Jerusalem. This view also has implications for what happens to the church and when. I was taught a hyper-dispensationalist view, but could never buy it. I have always focused on following Christ, looking forward to His return, whenever that is.
---Rod on 1/4/09


the Jews are God's covenant people. as such they know the Old Testament Bible better than most gentile Christians do.
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all the 11 disciples and first apostles were Jews who correctly discerned the intent of God through the New Testament.
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as yet the future of most Jews is accepting Jesus as the Messiah, the Son of God. and so they will in the book of Revelation, during the 7 year tribulation.
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then they will be teaching everyone else about God (the Jewish way) throughout the millennium and beyond. because God decided to do it that way and He's not one to change His mind.
---opalgal on 1/4/09


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While pound for pound Israelis are the fiercest fighters on earth having come thru the Holocaust with "Never again" determination. They are not God's chosen...why?? They don't even like the son of God Jesus Christ! They follow the Talmud as we do the bible.Just ask a Rabbi what the Talmud says about non Jews including Christians!
---1st_cliff on 1/4/09


When considering Israel is good to keep this Scriptures in Zacharias 12 in mind.
"2-Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.

3-And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it."

In these Scriptures Jerusalem is synonymous with Israel. Question does the United States burden themselves with Israel? If so United States is going to be cut in pieces!!!!
---mima on 1/4/09


Yes, The nation Israel still has plenty of significance in the eyes of God. He made an everlasting covenant with them through the house of Judah(David specifically) that they would have the land of Canaan for an everlasting inheritance. The nation Israel is still God's specifically chosen people with gentiles grafted in, not taking the place of Israel as some teach.
---tommy3007 on 1/4/09


Yes. The land of Israel is in fact the only land specifically given to a people by God. The events occurring in that geographical location between 1948 to present, the establishment of the state of israel and the return of it's original occupants as promised, a fulfillment of prophecy, (Isa, 49:22>Jer. 30:3>31:8,9>Amos 9:14,15) as well as their fervent defense of its borders, awakens the watcher to the certainty, as well as the Imminence of our LORDS return. As concerning the spiritual, this has little significance.
---Josef on 1/4/09


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I believe that God is faithful to his promise, expressed repeatedly in the OT, that Israel will always be chosen of God..that He will never totally abandon them. WHY God would promise this is beyond me, but He did.

The Jews return to their historical homeland some 60 yrs. ago was something no politician or historian would have predicted.They literally made the desert "bloom" as prohesied.

I believe the US should lend them aid. not just because of Scripture, but also as a small democracy, an ally, surrounded by enemies bent on their destruction.
---Donna on 1/3/09


No.

It is, at best, the last great push of European colonialism.

The true Israel of God is discussed in Galatians 4, where "the Jerusalem that now is and is in bondage with her children" are allegorically Jews.
---katavasia on 1/3/09


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