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Resaved If Backslide

If you got saved before and backslide, do you have to get resaved or just rededicate yourself to Him and repent?

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Kathr~ Your comments are entirely rude and uncalled for. This is why I seldom speak with you. Rudeness is not one of the fruits of the Spirit. We are to be kind and teach others that sin separates us from God, but to feed to the Spirit reaps eternal life.
---Anne on 6/10/09


Kathr~ You have spoken a direct lie and said I listen to worldly lustful music which is 100% completely untrue. I only listen to music that glorifies God. Please stop spreading untrue rumors and fallacies.
---Anne on 6/10/09


Kathr~ Your comments are entirely rude and uncalled for. This is why I seldom speak with you. Rudeness is not one of the fruits of the Spirit. We are to be kind and teach others that sin separates us from God, but to feed to the Spirit reaps eternal life.
---Anne on 6/10/09


***We must remember that many born-again believers later choose to not let the Lord lead their lives. They get enticed by a temptation and submit to sin.***

Anne, Isn't this what you have done?

What you may not call sin God may see different, and what you do not call sin GOD DOES. Friendship with the world is SIN. The lust of the flesh is sin and of the devil...yet you do not see through God's eyes that Christian Rock and Roll (worldly lustful music sung disguised with Christian lyrics) IS SIN to God...it is worldly and enticing you back into the world.


Yet you continue to make statements concerning SIN without a MATURE understanding of worldliness mixed
with Christianity. You defend it.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/09


duane~ We have great hope in the Lord, but we should not promote false hope.

We must remember that many born-again believers later choose to not let the Lord lead their lives. They get enticed by a temptation and submit to sin.
Two obvious examples were David and Solomon.
Sin separates us from God for sin is of the devil.
We can't serve sin/world and God both for we'll love one and hate the other.
The Holy Spirit is rejected by these once saved individuals.
God does not 'know those' who return to sin.

There IS great hope however. This is why DAILY we must put on God's armor.

If we do fall from God there is amazing hope if we return/repent. That is why Christians exhort in love.
---Anne on 6/10/09




SuzyH, I like the scripture you posted here...entering HIS REST. You know this is about the Finished work of Jesus Christ. On the Cross, Jesus said...IT IS FINISHED!

Now those who take GOD at HIS WORD, believing Jesus died for their sin, have OBEYED and Entered into HIS REST!!! He did it all...there is nothing more that can be done. He accomplished salvation and eternal life for you.

The Promise Land was God's PROMISE to Israel. It was right before their eyes, yet they were to afraid to enter into HIS PROMISE....not believing God really meant what He said, groaned and mumbled all the way....showing NO FAITH.

What about you?
---kathr4453 on 6/10/09


Kathr,
You do give hope in these blogs...I was going to say the same thing(neither) but didnt want the grief.
---duane on 6/10/09


Heb4:2
For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them:
but the word preached did not profit them,
not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.

Heb4:3
For we which have believed do enter into rest..

Heb3:19
So we see that they could not enter in because of unbelief.

The gospel was preached to the folks that came out of Egypt.
Disobedience is defined as their lack of faith/unbelief.

We who believe do enter into His rest. (obey)
Those who believe, DO what God Says
Those who do not, don't have faith,and dont' believe.

Without True Faith it is impossible to please God.
What's not of faith is sin.
The end of sin is death if one doesn't repent.
---SuzieH on 6/10/09


Kathr, great answer. Nothing but the Truth.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


Question: If you got saved before and backslide, do you have to get resaved or just rededicate yourself to Him and repent?***


Answer: NEITHER. There is no where in scripture about getting RESAVED. You are either saved or you are not. If you believe the Bible, and not manmade stuff, Hebrews 6 clearly state it is impossible to get RESAVED. So with that a saved person cannot lose their salvation either.

When you are saved, the Holy Spirit ( that's His JOB and Office) will convict you of sin..leading you to confess your sin ( agreeing with God) and with that you are forgiven...based solely on the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ 2000 years ago. He died for past, present and furture sin and the sin of the whole world.
---kathr4453 on 6/10/09




Suzie, Matthew 19:17-18. "If you want to enter into life, keep the commandments"
This, of course, is law, not gospel. Before showing him (rich man) the way to life, Jesus wanted to impress on the young man both the high standard required by God and the absolute futility of seeking salvation by his own merit. These should have elicited a responce about the impossibility of keeping the law perfectly (like the disciples response in v. 25), "When His disciples heard it, they were greatly astonished, saying, Who then can be saved?" But instead the young man confidently declared he qualified for heaven under those terms but later when he heard Christ tell him, sale and give everything to the poor he walked away.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


Mima, before I put that down, I had to think hard whether to do it. This people are blind, and I cannot give them vision, I can only give them the Truth of the gospel of Christ. And God gives eyes to the blind for He has mercy on whom He has mercy. When a person has the fear of God, they are careful what they teach. Some have no fear and just think it is ok to speak against the Doctrine of Christ. They even imply that Jesus Words are not true. That is a big one. And when I looked up what the spirit of the antichrist was, I realize that is what is going on here with many today.
First lets look at 2 John 9 "To overcome these antichrist, Christians must abide in the doctrine of Christ"
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


Mima 2: If they were only miss-informed that would be different but they clearly argue against the Word. 1 John 2:26 states "These antichrist are trying to seduce us away from Jesus Christ"
All through history the RCC had taken the truth of the gospel and changed it with their own traditions and ideas. The Truth became so deluded that only small pieces were left. Works was the basis for salvation. Justification by faith went down the drain. It wasn't until the reformers protested against all the ideas and traditions added by the RCC. They wanted to get back to the real Truth. That Christ died for our sins, that His blood washes our sins. That only by grace through faith and trust in Christ can anyone be save.
---MarkV. on 6/10/09


Response to:
"But only Christ could keep the law through His perfect sacrifice."

Christ was asked what do you do to be saved,
He said by keeping the commandments.
He would not tell us to do something we can't do.
He is a reasonable and just God.
He gave us the Power to do it.

Jn 1:12...to them gave he power to become the sons of God...
(His Holy Spirit)

Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Mat 19:16-17
...Good Master,
what good thing shall I do,
that I may have eternal life?

And He said unto him
... if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
---SuzieH on 6/9/09


A man was walking to church and found another man Hanging from a tree with a rope around his waste. The man asked the other, what are you doing? The other said I am killing myself. The man then said if you want to kill yourself you must put the rope around your neck,
I tried that said the other and I cannot breath when I do that!

Some take up their cross and try to use it in a comfortable way or they hang It around their neck, or just talk about it, But the only way it will ever be effective is, if it does what it was designed to do, Kill the flesh, We are to be living sacrifices, getting our will out of the way so Christ can live through us.
---Exzucuh on 6/9/09


For it is not works of the law that saves anyone but the works of Christ on the Cross. An Atonement that we could not do for we fail the works of the law. But only Christ could keep the law through His perfect sacrifice.
---MarkV. on 6/9/09

I believe this, this is totally and completely
the truth. But you cannot receive this that Jesus did for us unless you obey the Gospel.

I see people winning on game shows and every body is so excited,yelling, clapping. Why are they so excited? They are not getting anything.
you have to be a contestant to win. You have to enter the race and press for the higher Mark and calling if you want the prize.
---Exzucuh on 6/9/09


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Brother MarkV,

1Jn 5:16
"If any man see his brother sin a sin which is not unto death,
he shall ask, and He shall give him life

for them that sin not unto death.

There is a sin unto death:
I do not say that he shall pray for it."

John is telling the brethren if a fellow brother sin we can ask forgiveness.

This proves that:

1. It's possible for a Believer to fall and sin.
(even unto eternal death)

2. If we sin we no longer have life -
He gives him life again, the Holy Spirit

3. a Believer can fall from grace and be destroyed.

4. We can obtain forgiveness of most sins.

Christ warned people so they wouldn't fall into destruction.
---SuzieH on 6/9/09


The Moral Law Entolay will never be done away
It is an eternal covenant.

Hebrews 6:18 That by two immutable things, in that it was impossible for God to lie, we might have strong encouragement, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:

We have two immutable covenants The Law of the Spirit and the Law of the flesh, Those that walk in the Spirit do not fulfill the lust of their flesh so they are free of the Law of the flesh but those who are carnal and under sin the law of the Flesh condemns them. The letter killeth the Spirit gives life.
---Exzucuh on 6/9/09


---Exzucuh, thank you for the explanation, the traditions Yeshua did away with was the man made traditions, not the commandments. This is what you mean by moral law correct?
---wayne on 6/9/09


MarkV this statement,"Any other gospel is false. It is a doctrine of the spirit of the antichrist" while very true is simply too harsh and devastating for those who are blinded.
---mima on 6/9/09


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All genuine believers overcome, endure, and are obedient to the Word of God. None are lost, none put out dirty water, they become one body in Christ, and are kept by the power of God and the sustaining power of Christ-markv

This I completetly agree with.
In fact I don't know how many times I have said this, but you disagreed with me.
There is one part you forget though.
We are not technically saved yet.
He who endures in Christ to the end,the same shall be saved.
This is where you and I disagree markv. And that God saves sinners but you say God doesn't talk to them. So how else does God save sinners, Markv?
---miche3754 on 6/9/09


Mark V you do not read what people write, You have a problem understanding what they say. They do not say what you imply. You take what they say and turn it into something they did not say. This is very irritating and is like talking to grampa who can't hear very well and thinks you are saying things you are not. Do you speak English? are you translating what people are saying into your language with one of those language programs. If you are they do not translate very precise.
---Exzucuh on 6/9/09


Most of you are teaching that genuine Christians lose salvation, indicating there is no rivers of living water coming from them, but muddy waters.
All genuine believers overcome, endure, and are obedient to the Word of God. None are lost, none put out dirty water, they become one body in Christ, and are kept by the power of God and the sustaining power of Christ. Any other gospel is false. It is a doctrine of the spirit of the antichrist.
For it is not works of the law that saves anyone but the works of Christ on the Cross. An Atonement that we could not do for we fail the works of the law. But only Christ could keep the law through His perfect sacrifice.
---MarkV. on 6/9/09


---wayne on 6/9/09

I feel like I have explained this so many times. And I cannot explain it fully in one blog. There is Nomos law and Entolay law They were both obeyed in Judaism. Entolay is moral law Nomos is traditional law. Jesus told the Jews that they did not keep moral law but the traditional and their actions made Gods word of none effect. Christians live by the Law of the Spirit of life that is in Christ, the Law of liberty, the Word that is Spirit and life.The letter kills but the Spirit gives life to the word and it is revealed/written in the fleshy tables of the believers heart. Those who live in the Spirit
Do what is Moral and right before God but it may not line up with Judaism/ Moses Law.
---Exzucuh on 6/9/09


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Jesus broke traditional/Nomos laws and it was what angered the jews to kill him. We also have Nomos/doctrines in Christianity. Traditional ideas of men made by error because the could not live by the Spirit. Jesus healed on the Sabbath ate Corn on the Sabbath, Did not do traditional washing and other things that Jews did, They had to do these things because they were under the Law.
---Exzucuh on 6/9/09


Not muddy waters and poison as many of you teach.
---MarkV. on 6/9/09
Who has taught this markv?

You really need to look at yourself.
And I will pray that the spirit upon you that keeps twisting people's words will release you so that ou will stop making false accusations.
I have taught that if Christ is in you, you will follow in his footsteps. Nothing different from what Jesus himself taught.
But you keep saying, "all you need to do is accept Christ. It's okay, you won't ever stop sinning but he will still save you...blah blah" falsehoods! You must accept Christ and follow him! If you don't you are none of his.
---miche3754 on 6/9/09


And the People heard, "Come", and they went. And they heard, "Follow me", and they are still following to this day.
To deny that there is an open call to 'come' and to 'follow', to teach otherwise and to stop those heeding, it is not a good thing:

Isaiah 32:6: "For the vile person will speak villany, and his heart will work iniquity, to practise hypocrisy, and to utter error against the LORD, to make empty the soul of the hungry, and he will cause the drink of the thirsty to fail."
Talk about a stumbling block!!!
---Nana on 6/9/09


You can believe on Jesus all you want, the devils believe, but if you are not obedient to him and keep his word you are like the people he said, this people honors me with their lips but their hearts are far from me. A heart for God is an obedient and faithful heart.
---Exzucuh on 6/8/09
If I may ask, obedient to what word? Christains say the law ( Torah/Instructions) are nailed to the cross. So obedient to what? I agree with what you have said, but would like you to explain further if you would.
---wayne on 6/9/09


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There is only one sacrifice that will get you into heaven and that is the sacrifice of Christ. Any other subsitute is a false teaching. No one could be save by works, a New Covenant was given, the Covenant of Grace. Only through this New Covenant can anyone be saved. What the Old could not do, the New does. All who are lost are under the Old Covenant and the reason they are condemned. They need the New Covenant, Christ.
When Christ died on the Cross He took the sins of all who would be saved. By faith an Trust in Christ out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.
"He who believes in Me, as the Scriptures has said, out his heart will flow rivers of living water" Not muddy waters and poison as many of you teach.
---MarkV. on 6/9/09


Anne,
Jesus died for all. While we were yet sinners HE died for us. HE died for the sinner, NOT the righteous. This is what grace is. Its the love of God upon HIS creation.
We dont earn grace by good behaviour.
---duane on 6/9/09


Exzucuh~ You're back! Yay! I always enjoy the way you sort through the deceptions here and let the truth shine through. God bless you John Mellencamp, oops, I mean Exzucuh. (Had to joke with you a bit since I know the way you look now. ha.)
---Anne on 6/8/09


Delusions form the world of a man with a distorted mind, a mind without memories.
Isaiah 44:21: "Remember these, O Jacob and Israel, for thou art my servant: I have formed thee, thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
22: I have blotted out, as a thick cloud, thy transgressions, and, as a cloud, thy sins: return unto me, for I have redeemed thee." If we only see 'redemption' and the 'blotting of transgressions' in those verses, we have no mind and no memory. Before verse 21 God describes those who he tells his "SERVANT" to remember. "Do the first works", not possible without a mind and memories. The SERVANT who forgets or foregoes his duties will be surprised!
---Nana on 6/8/09


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Do not be discouraged MarkV, you are not alone in your belief concerning this, I stand with you. We, I admit are few. Yet on this tread there are others, If one "Has An Ear To Hear":o). However we all must acknowledge that whatever one holds to be truth, is for that one truth, who are we to argue another man's truth. To ones own master, one will stand or fall, And everyone who submits themselves to the indwelling presence of Christ "shall be holden up: for God is able to make [us] stand."
---joseph on 6/9/09


You can believe on Jesus all you want, the devils believe, but if you are not obedient to him and keep his word you are like the people he said, this people honors me with their lips but their hearts are far from me. A heart for God is an obedient and faithful heart.
---Exzucuh on 6/8/09


Salvation is by grace through faith. It is grace that Jesus died for our sins and paid our price.

BUT...there is the other half of the salvation plan that many never mention, and that is, WHO does this grace apply to?

Does it apply to those who simply have 'faith' in God. James ch. 2 tells us it is not for those who merely have 'faith' for even the demons have faith and believe in Jesus and tremble yet they are not saved.

True saving faith means that we have been made new creatures in Christ who do HIS WORKS. True deciples of Jesus LIVE for Him and follow, obey, and abide in Him/Holy Spirit. They repent of sin and forsake sin/darkness and now live in the Light.
---Anne on 6/8/09


Salvation is by grace through faith. It is grace that Jesus died for our sins and paid our price.

BUT...there is the other half of the salvation plan that many never mention, and that is, WHO does this grace apply to?

Does it apply to those who simply have 'faith' in God. James ch. 2 tells us it is not for those who merely have 'faith' for even the demons have faith and believe in Jesus and tremble yet they are not saved.

True saving faith means that we have been made new creatures in Christ who do HIS WORKS. True deciples of Jesus LIVE for Him and follow, obey, and abide in Him/Holy Spirit. They repent of sin and forsake sin/darkness and now live in the Light.
---Anne on 6/8/09


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MarkV. The teaching of works for salvation is the same evil as the teaching of no works for salvation. Either one without the other will get you no where. Faith alone or works alone can save no one.Jas 2:14 What doth it profit, my brethren, though a man say he hath faith, and have not works? can faith save him?
Jas 2:17 Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone.
---john on 6/8/09


James 2:21-24 Was not Abraham our father justified by works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar? See how faith worked with his works, and by works was faith made perfect? And the scripture was fulfilled which says, Abraham believed God, and it was imputed unto him for righteousness: and he was called the Friend of God. You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

A man cannot come to God through the works of Judaism or by his own Goodness. But if he does not obey the Gospel By doing those things commanded by the Gospel he cannot be saved either. He must work out his own salvation by fear and trembling.
---Exzucuh on 6/8/09


Jesus very plainly said you must endure to the end to be saved. So you have not been saved yet, You might be Born again, filled with the Spirit but you won't be saved till you stand in the presence of your savior and he says Well done, good and faithful servant, thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord. The ten virgins did not all make it, they all believed, they all waited, but 5 did nothing while 5 labored to keep oil in their lamps. The 5 that endured to the end and was obedient were saved and the door was shut on the others. Just believing did not
get them salvation and salvation did not come until the end.
---Exzucuh on 6/8/09


Thank you Joseph, for you posting,
The teaching of works for salvation is not the gospel of Jesus Christ but the gospel of the spirit of the antichrist. Any gospel that pull's someone away from the Atonement of Christ on the Cross for our sins is of the spirit of the antichrist.
When works are mention as basis for salvation they delude the Word of God that states that it is Christ works on the Cross that saves sinners.
Sinners are not saved by their own actions. They can never change their own hearts. Nothing but the true gospel saves. All those that think they are saved by works or in state of delusion no matter how holy they want to sound.
---MarkV. on 6/8/09


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Duane,
I believe that if we are talking about obedience to Christ, then love for Christ is a GIVEN. If you don't love him you won't obey him.
So, when I talk about obedience you have my permission to assume of me that I speak of loving Christ too.
---miche3754 on 6/8/09


I think it depends on the definition of the word backslide. We for sure don't need to get re-saved every time we sin. However, if someone abandons God and wants to be left alone to their sin, and goes through a period where they refuse to repent, then maybe they need to get saved again since they might not have been saved in the first place.

Satan can use this as a weapon against us if we are not careful though. When I was in High School in a Hell fire and brimstone chruch, I prayed for salvation nearly every Sunday and every time I sinned - until I learned the meaning of the word "walk".
---obewan on 6/8/09


Miche,
Your question should be, Do u love HIM.
If a person loves his master, of course they will obey. Obedience can never be alone for no one knows the intent of the heart. We Christians have obeyed and given our lives and hearts to the Lord. For someone to ask if I obey, would be an insult for I have given all and will give all to be with HIM. I love HIM...
Perfect love produces perfect obedience.
---duane on 6/8/09


Mima,
I hope you didn't misunderstand what I said.
The scripture what NOT to say that you have to answer me. The scripture was to let you know that we must live holy and what will happen if we don't. Keeping Christ commands is part of his salvation.
I am still waiting to see if you decide to answer me or not though.
God bless you!
---miche3754 on 6/8/09


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God knows who are His sheep. Ez 34, John 10:1-16
Not all in the flock are His. Mat 7:15
The sheep stray. Ps 119:176, Jer 50:6, Hos 11:7
God brings them back. Hos 14:14, Jer 3:22, Luke 15, Ez 34
Turn back and repent!
---MIchael on 6/8/09


Mima~ Yes the Bible teaches the disobedient reap destruction, but those living in obedience to God reap eternal life:

Gal 6:7-8 teaches "Do not be deceived, God is not mocked, for whatever a man sows, that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will reap corruption, but he who sows to the Spirit will reap everlasting life. Let us not grow weary while doing good for in due season we shall reap if we do not lose heart."

Also check out Romans 2:7-10: "Eternal life to those who be patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immorality, but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey truth, but obey unrighteousness--indignation and wrath.

Also check out Miche and Nana's below.
---Anne on 6/8/09


If we, speaking of man in general, 'sin' (miss the mark of our calling to salvation) willfully, through a voluntary refusal of that call, after we have received, as in understood the offer through the knowledge given via the Spirit, with full discernment, recognition & awareness of the truth, that we are saved by grace thru faith in His finished work. There remains no sacrifice or suitable offering or payment for sin, for that error would be a willful disrespect of, and offense towards, the Spirit and grace of God. If having truly recieved the Father salvation, one sought to be re-saved, that one will have "trodden under foot the Son of God, and counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing".
---joseph on 6/8/09


mima, do you think it's still okay to continue to sin after Christ has saved you?
By the way, I have asked you severeal questions and you haven't answered not one of them. A little scripture that says you have to.
Matthew 19:17
So He said to him, Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God. But if you want to enter into life, keep the commandments.
John 14:15
If you love Me, keep My commandments"
John 15:10
If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His love

There are 94 verses in the Bible that say "Keep my commands".
---miche3754 on 6/8/09


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Yes you do! If you have strayed from God, for awhile. But in all reality its an everyday thing, repenting, its something you have to do just about everyday! Because we are always messing up.
---marca6969 on 6/8/09


Ephesians 5:5: "For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience. Be not ye therefore partakers with them. For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light: (For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth,)"
---Nana on 6/8/09


-------Anne this statement is very strange,"Living in disobedience reaps destruction, but to live as Jesus' deciples in obedience to His will means we will reap eternal life, AND HE PAYS FOR ALL OUR SIN . It's all very simple."

The Bible says in Romans 5: " But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, WHILE WE WERE YET SINNERS, Christ died for us."

It appears that someone is making sinlessness a condition for forgiveness. However the Bible does not teach this.
---mima on 6/7/09


MarkV~ Willful/deliberate sin separates us from God whether we were once saved or not. Living in disobedience reaps destruction, but to live as Jesus' deciples in obedience to His will means we will reap eternal life, and He pays for all our sin. It's all very simple.
---Anne on 6/7/09


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Anne, in Scripture not many are mentioned they were saved. Don't be decieved. Salvation is never discribe losing it. Knowledge of the Truth, been enlightened, those words does not mean someone is save. You can go to Bible college and know the whole Bible and not be saved. When all the people died in the desert, it never mentions they were saved or not. It only tells you they died. When the armies against Israel died by God the Bible does not say they all went to hell, or they lost salvation. It only says they died. The Bible is full of directions and teaching for believers so that they learn how to conduct themselves. Who teaches them? God through His Word. That is why all the passages are there for us to become for like Christ.
---MarkV. on 6/7/09


Suzie, that was a great post you put down. Every genuine believe who loves the Lord wants never to hurt the Lord. That love for Christ never ends because the Spirit lives in our hearts. Matthew 12:31 is talking about blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, and if someone does blaspheme the Holy Spirit he could not be of God.
There is many so call Christians on line who conduct themselves terrible on line, and I am sure in life, with their brothers and sisters they are angels. They are pretenders while they hide in sheeps clothings. But when they are home they become a different person. They cannot wait to hurt someone at home or on line where no one else can see what they do.
---MarkV. on 6/7/09


Under the old covenant people also would "backslide" and had God's plan to take care of sin daily, only back then it was with the death and blood of animals.

Today under the new covenant it is because of Christ's death and resurrection we have a new and living way. Christ told us how to receive forgiveness of past sins: (Mt6,Lk11) It is a daily prayer "..Give us day by day our daily bread and forgive us our sins, for we also forgive every one that is indebted to us..." This is for sinning against our will, because we wanted to obey, but slipped in our weakness.

Exceptions: Mat 12:31, Heb 10:26
(Heb 10 folks wanted to kill animals for forgiveness of sins again - thus rejecting Christ's sacrifice.)
---SuzieH on 6/7/09


MarkV~ James 5:19-20 is telling us of the possibility of people who WERE a part of the brethren, but LATER turned BACK to sin and became SINNERS. (These people were at one time saved, but then lost their salvation since they later became sinners again by wandering from the truth,returning to sin.)

James is telling us that: "If anyone of the BRETHREN WANDERS from the truth, and someone turns him BACK, to let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from DEATH and cover a multitude of sin."

James is wanting us to make sure that we look out for the brethren and make sure they continue with the Lord, but if any wandered and returned to sin, we must lovingly help bring them back.
---Anne on 6/6/09


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We all get saved through faith in Jesus Christ. Christ died on calvary to set us free from sin so sin would have no power over us. HE was crucified for our trangressions, He became sin for us. HE now gives us HIS righteousness. We who live by faith do not and cannot backslide. We have turned to Christ so HE can now give us repentance. We are HIS saints. Sin shall not prevail over us.
---duane on 6/6/09


Many times people who sincerely repent get enticed by temptation and submit back to sin. (sometimes called backsliding.)
Two obvious examples were David and Solomon.
Sin is of the devil.
You can't serve God and sin both.
Sin separates us from God.
Even if we were once an amazing servant of God (like David or Solomon), it is obvious we could still get separated from God.
God does not 'know those' who serve sin.

This is why DAILY we must put on the armor of God to protect ourselves from evil and protected by God.

Wonderfully, David at last repented/returned after at least 9 months of sinful living, while Solomon did not return.
This is why the Bible is full of warnings to guard against deceptions/temptations.
---Anne on 6/6/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

When we Sincerely Repent we've denied the will of our flesh and are submitted to the Will of God, in continuing to resist the devil's enticing temptation. Whenever we stumble & fall, it's not back into a sinful lifestyle of those not 'Born-Again', because God is able to make us stand to our Master!! Rom.14:4

God's Grace isn't Deceived nor does it Save 'Insincere Repenting' Believers. They haven't denyied the will of their flesh, and shall still be enticed into choosing to 'Apostatize' by rejecting His Spirit to live in sin, like those in James 5:19-20 & Luke 12:45-46.

If they had been of us, they would've continued with us(1 John 2:19), Living in the Obedience Unto Death of Christ.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/6/09


Sinner in the Bible discribes a lost person. It never discibes a genuine believer. James 5:19,20 is not talking about someone who is saved and lost his salvation. "Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the Truth and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a "sinner" from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins" Many persons know the Truth, does not mean they are saved or their soul is saved. Knowing the Truth and wandering away puts his soul in jeopardy. The "death" in view is not physical death, but eternal death-separation from God. Knowing how high the stakes are should motivate Christians to aggressively pursue such people.
---MarkV. on 6/6/09


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To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

A 'BRETHREN' is a BELIEVER of Christ endeavoring to do wonderful works in His Name as a 'SERVANT' but not all of them who've said Lord Lord, are Converted & 'BORN-AGAIN', denying the will of their flesh by a Sincere Vow of Repentance and shall still be Judged as a evil hearted unbelieving worker of iniquity who Christ doesn't know & never knew(Matt.7:21-23)

God isn't Deceived nor does His Grace Save the 'Insincere Repentance' of Believers like in James 5:19-20 & Luke 12:45-46, who later choose to 'Apostatize' by rejecting the Spirit to live in sin, never Sincerely denying the will of their flesh to be Born-Again & Drawn into Saving Faith in Christ, by their Vow of Repentance !
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/6/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

When we 'Sincerely Repent', we're vowing to denied the will of our flesh to Joyously Live in the Will of our Lord Jesus.

If later we're living in sin & rejecting His Spirit, then we didn't Sincerely denied the will of our flesh, in our initial vow of Repentance. Jesus is not deceived & He ONLY Saves Sincere Repenter.

God Judges us according to our will & by sincerely denied it, His Grace Draws us into Saving Faith in Christ. It's why the Lord said, "Ye have not chosen me, but I have Chosen you"

Just as "We're only able to Love God because He First Loved us", we're only able to obediently persist til the end by the Lord's Obedience unto Death Living in us.
---Shawn_M.T. on 6/4/09


The backslide needs to rededicate themselves to God. They are still saved, but just lost their way. The backsliders whom don't repent and come back to God will die lost without God. In Revelation, God is talking to the backsliders when he said he is somewhat against them because they have lost their first love, and they must renew their heart to him, in other words rededicate their lives back to God.
---Rebecca_D on 2/24/09


Here you see a brother becoming a sinner again and becoming converted again, and is saved from death again. Poof Texts: James 5:19,20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him, Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his, way, shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins
---TRU-DOG on 1/10/09


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This is to the Brethren of the Faith... Poof Texts: James 5:19,20 Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him, Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his, way, shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. James 1:14.15 But ever man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed, Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
---TRU-DOG on 1/10/09


When you sin as a child of God, you are a sinning child, but on the same grounds as a sinner if you don't repent. You can turn away from God at anytime, it is your choice. When you repent you are renewed, and forgiven, and start right where you had been before you sinned, you don't forget everthing you had learned up to that point. It is Gods Love and Grace to convict you by his Holy Spirit so you will repent and not be forever lost.
---TRU-DOG on 1/7/09


Exactly right Opalgal. We don't actually get 'resaved' if we fall away, but rather we should repent with all our heart, and return with all our heart. The Lord is forever merciful and longsuffering, and knows if your heart is truly sincere and contrite, and will lovingly take you back into His fold. What a loving God we serve!
---Anne on 1/7/09


repentance and rededication.
---opalgal on 1/7/09


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Excellent replies Andy and Brenda!
---Anne on 1/5/09


Hebrews 12 indicates God doesn't give us up easily. Cutting off is after struggle with God. Most do repent.
Mark 4 says many do not reach fruitfulness before falling away. Many don't heart embrace the word. Many temporary believers fall into this category.
Heb. 6 requires 5 conditions. -1 % meet these. *Enlightened is gospel understanding. Many are called, few are chosen. *Tasting is being born again. *Partakers are those baptized in the Holy Spirit. *The good word indicates a maturity in handling the scriptures. *Powers are the power gifts of the Holy Spirit. This is a mature, Spirit-empowered believer. If after resisting the dealings mentioned in Heb. 12, then judgment is no repentance. Much is given, much is required.
---Larry on 1/5/09


According to Hebrews 6....no one can get RE-SAVED.

So there is no such thing as saved and lost and saved and lost and on and on. The problem may be your not saved at all, or you are still carnal and have not OBEYED Romans 6-8 Romans 12:1 & 2.

Repentance is only once. after that it is comfession or agreeing with God that you have not SUBMITTED to Him. Christianity is not a lay away plan....10% down and 10% here and there later. It's 100% total surrender once and for all! The Lay away plan will always have you running around chasing your tail!

---kathr4453 on 1/5/09


Lot got drunk. Lot had incest with his daughters. Earlier Lot had offered his daughters to ungodly men to molest and have their way with. It would appear that Lot was backslidden yet the Bible refers to him as RIGHTEOUS Lot.
Second Peter 2:7-8
7 And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

8 (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul(RIGHTEOUS SOUL) from day to day with their unlawful deeds,)

RIGHTEOUS SOUL would indicate that Lot went to heaven!

Is the Bible wrong when it calls Lot just?
---mima on 1/5/09


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Andy, All that you said is true! Following the LORD is the harder Way, NOW, but, it's easier than suffering in Eternal Damnation after Death. We, who are GOD's people, must walk in Holiness, and repent of any known sin in our lives on a daily, moment-by-moment basis. Even one sin that is clearly wrong can send a "christian" to Hell, if they treat that sin lightly (trampling on the Blood of YAHUSHUA) and do not repent of it. GOD is that Tough, but, again, I repeat to the "nay-sayers", that GOD's Tough Way is EASIER than suffering the horrors of the crushing torments of Hell and the Lake of Fire throughout Eternity!
---Gordon on 1/5/09


if you were truly born again, you will always be in the family of God. However, you can loose site and get out of touch with Him. If you have sinned, you need to repent and come to Christ with a humble heart and ask Him to renew your rightful place in the Family. He will never turn you aside nor will He leave you alone. There is no sin to great that can't be forgiven except dening the Holy Spirit's purpose and place in our lives. Go to Him Today.
---Brenda on 1/5/09


Well the bible clearly does not teach once saved always saved. Even the word says that it is verry hard for those who have fallen away to return. nevertheless not impossible. My idea is that every day is a day of living the repentance, and that repentance is deffenately not a one-time experience. why else does the new Testament insists so hard upon persevering in the faith. in a case of backsliding it is obvous the person needs to repent again.that is his current sin. yet it is not that easy as well to lose ones faith and salvation.
---Andy on 1/5/09


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