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Who Are Lost Sheep Of Israel

Who are the "lost sheep of Israel"?

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The 10 tribes of Isreal were exiled to the nations because they mixed baal and easter worship into YHWH's(God"s) temple worship system: they became Benjiman were left. Hosea said Ephraim woulf be shown mercy.

Many of the lost tribes just mixed into the wooodwork of the middle east and the world. Some even report Paleo Hebrew writings found in North America om rocks.

YAHUSHUA(Jesus) did visit and minister the Gospel to Samariatan pagan mix Isreal and others on the coast "called Gentiles" by the Jews. Many would have certainly accepted the Kingdom! Others did not and recieved the "woe" from Him.

wherever Isreal and the Jews were exiled, the gospel surely follows....
---Yochanan on 6/20/09


But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:23
Matthew 10:5-7

---Trav on 2/20/09
Authoritative when Jesus is making statement?

Prophets state Jesus fulfilling,to some:
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, ....
Jeremiah 50:5-7
But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.
Psalm 78:51-53
---Trav on 2/22/09
Israel served for a wife, and for a wife he kept sheep.
Hosea 12:11
Micah 2:12
I will surely assemble, O Jacob, all of thee, I will surely gather the remnant of Israel, ....they shall make great noise by reason of the multitude of men.
Micah 2:11
---Trav on 4/20/09


To: AG
Compare Isaiah 53:6, Jeremiah 50:6, Ezekiel 34:6, Luke 15:3-7 with Matthew 10:6. The lost sheep of Israel were unsaved Jews (without a shepherd). Presumable, the other sheep in John 10:16 are either gentiles, or future Christians in general. It is the Lords desire that all would be saved, 1Timothy 2:4-6, 2Peter 3:9, 15.
---Glenn on 4/18/09


It's no mystery. The lost sheep of the house of Israel that Jesus referred to were merely his fellow countrymen there where he lived. They were whom he was sent to, and that's where he did his work on earth. God bless.
---JohnnyB on 4/16/09


The lost sheep of Israel are simply the Israelis who had no trust in God.
---mima on 4/16/09




Christ sent his disciples to the lost sheep of Israel, which I take as being different than the Lost Tribes. The lost sheep are simply those people that have strayed from God and Christ's way. The Lost Tribes were those who were the Ten Tribes that were taken into captivity and essentially never returned, probably being mostly just absorbed into the cultures, races and religions of those that they mingled with. So, I would guess that much of Europe and Western Asia has at least some portion of these Lost Ten Tribes
---SuLynn on 4/16/09


lost sheep of Israel is the lost ten tribes which if u are descendants of the british common wealth you are probably from the tribe of joseph and the descendants of judah are still to this day kings and queens of england there will be no end to david's throne
---john on 3/21/09


I know sometimes I feel lost, do I qualify?
---Sophia on 3/19/09


kath,
I am just speaking the truth. I apologize if I offended. Besides, I was just thanking God for his knowledge that God has revealed to me.
You must understand that God is not restoring fleshly Israel. The 144,000 are those of old Israel that will become part of the Spiritual Israel- GOD's PEOPLE.
You are being narrow minded. If you weren't, you would understand what Paul says about not all who are Israel are part of ISRAEL.
He gives us a key here.
It means that just because you may be of Israel in the flesh, doesn't mean you will be part of God's people Israel.
There is your proof right here that all who are saved by Christ ARE God's People.
---miche3754 on 3/3/09


Why be jealous over future destiny of Israel?

Churchs most distinctive hour will be when Israel is restored nationally and spiritually to the Lord at Second Coming. We will return from Heaven with Him to rule Israel and world.
---kathr4453 on 2/28/09

Exactly. It is what it is. Anything contrary is misleading and can be false gospel, subverting and leading to error.
A wife,or the engaged ever be Jealous? More than the husband?
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God:
Exodus 34:13-15
I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me,
Exodus 20:4-6
---Trav on 3/2/09




of course trav.
But see, I am talking of the covenant being transformed NOT the transformation we will undergo when Christ returns.

Christ dieing on the cross changed God's Covenant from a fleshly one to a Spiritual one.
This is what is meant to by the original branches and the wild branches. In the flesh, we are of different origins. But when we come into Christ, we become the same in Spirit.

The Spirit of Christ in us is how we will be recognized as God's children/people, when Christ comes back for us.
He said unless we have his Spirit in us, we are none of HIS.
---miche3754 on 3/1/09


When the Church recognizes Israel, the true distinctiveness and glory of the Body of Christ becomes evident. This called-out body, composed of believing Jews and Gentiles during the Church Age, is the highest entity the Lord has created, superior to all the Angels, the nations, and Israel.

Our Head, is the Son of God Himself. We shall reign with Him when He rules the earth, with the 12 Apostles ruling over the 12 tribes of Israel. This is OUR destiny,and the HOPE OF OUR CALLING.

Why be jealous over the future destiny of Israel?

The Churchs most distinctive hour will be when Israel is restored nationally and spiritually to the Lord at the Second Coming. We will return from Heaven with Him to rule Israel and the world.
---kathr4453 on 2/28/09


trav, they are not of flesh because the OT covenant was tranformed by Christ's death. Ephesians 2:11-22
---miche3754 on 2/26/09

You're a sweetie. Not a ghost. Doctrinal product of time we live in. Almost.. wildest compilation of doctrinal fantasy about this contextual people I've ever encountered.
Ur rows aren't straight but,U r plowing....all over garden.
Have....faith ... GOD creator of all will do righteous.....by all.
Jesus physically rose from the dead ate drank. Others will also.
For as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead also.
James 2:25-26
Body with spirit alive...
..and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
1 Corinthians 15:51-53
---Trav on 2/27/09


Yep, just because you are narrow minded doesn't mean I have to be, Praise God for it too.
---miche3754 on 2/27/09

Miche, why do you call people names because you can't force your beliefs on someone else? I'm not Mormon Miche!!!!

Be careful Miche. Taking God's name in vain is a SIN. It doesn't mean swearing, but preaching what God never said, and saying " Haven't we said this or that in your name!!! Remember!!!

Narrow is the way!
---kathr4453 on 2/27/09


I am no longer a Jew and YOU are no longer a Gentile, but we are a NEW CREATION In Christ. - I Said this. You are part of God's People who are called ISRAEL.
the word Israel MEANS GODS PEOPLE. I am not trying to change what Christ Spirit is.

"The Spirit of the Life of CHRIST lives in me...not the spirit of Israel."- The Spirit of Christ IDENTIFIES GOD'S PEOPLE who are the HIDDEN Israel.
I didn't say you had the spirit of Israel. I said in Christ Spirit in you means you are part of Israel- God's Chosen People.
"Miche we are just going to have to agree to disagree. "
---kathr4453 on 2/26/09
Yep, just because you are narrow minded doesn't mean I have to be, Praise God for it too.
---miche3754 on 2/27/09


I think the words 'we have been tranlated from the kingdom of darkness to the kingdom of light' are in the Bible. The meaning is that once we were captives of Satan, doing his will, with everyone else in the vicinity. Then God called us out of that lifestyle to live for Him. So we move out of that group which are collectively in the dark, to join a group of people who are living by light. It is not a personal light, not subjective, but the one obtained through thoroughly knowing the word of God and having it LIVE in us. Those who live by man's religious traditions, are living without a light to guide them. It is up to us to wake them up. If they don't take it politely, then you may have to be to be direct. This is about saving souls.
---frances008 on 2/26/09


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The Church is completely different and distinct from Israel, the two should not be confused. The Church is an entirely new creation that came into being on the Day of Pentecost after Christs resurrection from the dead.

None of the curses or blessings pronounced upon Israel refer directly to the Church. Israel, the natural Jewish nation, is still Israel.

Not only has God preserved the Jewish nation, but He has also kept His promise to save a remnant of Israel in every generation. The remnant of Israel in this age are the Jewish believers in Christ who have joined the Gentile believers, and form the Church, the Body of Christ (Rom. 11:5).

This does not make Israel the Church, or vice versa.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/09


His people are now Identified as those with his Spirit. Once you ask Christ to live in you, you are no longer jew. YOu are Israel in spirit with the rest of us.
---miche3754 on 2/26/09


No Miche, SCRIPTURE says, I am no longer a Jew and YOU are no longer a Gentile, but we are a NEW CREATION In Christ.

I am not Israel in Spirit. You are trying to spiritualize away not only the literal Israel, but the Church.

The Spirit of the Life of CHRIST lives in me...not the spirit of Israel.

Miche Israel as a whole is LOST, BLIND, and is JACOB's descendents....

Jacob is NOT Jesus or even a type or shaddow of Jesus.

Miche we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
---kathr4453 on 2/26/09


that explains ALOT, kath.
You think I am excluding you when I am not neither does scripture. It also explains WHY you just don't understand the Spirit of God.
His people are now Identified as those with his Spirit. Once you ask Christ to live in you, you are no longer jew. YOu are Israel in spirit with the rest of us.
---miche3754 on 2/26/09


also kath, the OT covenant is a shadow of the NT covenant. In other words, the fleshly covenant of the OT is a shadow of the Spiritual Covenant of the NT.(Colossians 2:17)
This means that the OT covenant was made with fleshly Israel and Judah.
Now the Covenant is made with all as long as they are grafted into the vine(Christ).
This means that there is no more jew or gentile, free or slave. ALL are 1 in the Spirit of Christ.(Gal.3:28)
In Spirit, the lost sheep are the fleshly Israel, Judah(original branches) and Gentiles(wild branch) WHO accept Jesus as their Lord and savior. I'm not excluding anyone. In the Spirit we are transformed- born again into the Covenant. This makes ALL in Christ the "lost sheep of Israel".
---miche3754 on 2/26/09


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Israel's new prime minister to be,Benjamin Netanyahu, would seem to be taking center stage at a time when Israel needs a "hardliner". This man does not believe in a two state solution for the Middle East. This man upon taking office will stop(probably at great cost to the Palestinians) the rockets from landing in Israel everyday.
It would seem that some of all the tribes of Israel have been gathered back to that nation. Therefore some of the lost sheep of Israel have come home at this time. There is coming a time when all Israelites will be brought back to Israel. To be continued
---mima on 2/26/09


trav, they are not of flesh because the OT covenant was tranformed by Christ's death. Ephesians 2:11-22
The new Covenant is with the Spirit. NO FLESH can inherit the kingdom of God.
1 Corinthians 15:50, John 3:5

God is a Spirit, and he MUST be worshiped in SPIRIT and truth. John 4:24

The gentiles are the wild branch that is grafted into the Covenant by Christ. Romans 11:17, Amos 9:11-12, Isaiah 60:30, Jeremiah 4:2

This is God's word that it's NOT fleshly because it's impossible for us to please GOD in the flesh.(Romans 8:8)
ONLY IN THE SPIRIT.
---miche3754 on 2/26/09


Part#2, here is a scripture that tells of this ingathering, Matthew 24:31" And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other." Many think that the word elect in this verse refers to Christians, not so, it refers to the elect of our Lord known as the Jews. it is the Jews that have been scattered. The new prime minister comes at the very time when hardliner is needed in Israel. Rest assured this man(whose brother was the only man killed in the raid on a Entebbe) will attack Iran before Iran is capable of wiping Israel off the map!!
---mima on 2/26/09


Kath>> WE are called out individually..one soul at a time...not as a GROUP or GROUP Salvation....

Ken>> I remember now why I stopped talking to you months ago. You are right and everyone else is wrong.

The mere fact that his sheep is called a "fold," a "flock," "citizens" of the Commonwealth of Israel, this shows that yes, we are called individually, but when we answer we become part of a FAMILY.

Reason it out Kath, prove all things.

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/25/09


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John 8:35
And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

Galatians 4:7
Wherefore thou art no more a servant, but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God through Christ.


Yes Trav Israel was called the SERVANTS.

Jacob AKA Israel was called out for SERVICE... not to be confused with GROUP Salvation.

WE The CHURCH, made up of both Jew AND Gentile becoming the becoming a NEW CREATION, a New Man.. Body of Christ....and Jesus body is not Israel or Jewish...WE are called out individually..one soul at a time...not as a GROUP or GROUP Salvation....and become SONS..HEIRS of God!!! Praise God!!!
---kathr4453 on 2/25/09


***kath,
you were a gentile before you accepted Christ.
The gentiles are the wild olive shoot-Romans 11:17***


CONTINUE PLEASE.

Miche I am a JEW by blood and never a Gentile. NOW I understand you are teaching Mormonism.
---kathr4453 on 2/25/09


Kath, I didn't say they were earthly(fleshly) Israel. ---miche3754 on 2/25/09

I will.
But now thus saith the LORD that created thee, O Jacob, he that formed thee, O Israel, Fear not: for I have redeemed thee, I have called thee by thy name, thou art mine.
Isaiah 43:1-3
Isaiah 44:4-6
Remember these, O Jacob and Israel, for thou art my servant: I have formed thee, thou art my servant: O Israel, thou shalt not be forgotten of me.
Isaiah 44:20-22

So we thy people and SHEEP of thy pasture will give thee thanks for ever: we will shew forth thy praise to all generations.
Psalm 79:12-13
---Trav on 2/25/09


But we too must remember what sheep are.....STUPID!!!!!

And we see in John for the first time a reference to gentiles.
---kathr4453 on 2/25/09
....some perhaps but they know the master and master knows them.

Lets look at author of John who did observe the prophets.

Jhn1:31 I did not know Him, but that He should be revealed to Israel, therefore I came baptizing with water.
49 Nathanael answered and said to Him, Rabbi, You are the Son of God! You are the King of Israel!
12 Are You greater than our father Jacob, who gave us the well, and drank from it himself, as well as his sons and his livestock? (Samaritan (by birth) woman at well) Father was Jacob.
to be cont'd...
---Trav on 2/25/09


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kath,
you were a gentile before you accepted Christ.
The gentiles are the wild olive shoot-Romans 11:17
Its (fleshly Israel) branches were broken off for unbelief.
Romans 11:20
The ones that weren't broken off were because they still believe.
The original or Natural branch that was cut off was Israel(fleshly). Not all will be reconciled to God until the fulness of gentiles-Romans 11:25
ALL will have ONE ROOT- Christ- Romans 11:18
This root is what what makes you part of Spiritual Israel- God's people.
Romans 9:6
... For not all who are descended(in flesh) from Israel(fleshly) are Israel(spiritual).
---miche3754 on 2/25/09


Kath>> Well Trav, there you go...correctly answering the question at the top....the other sheep are NOT referred to as the Lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Ken>>You missed the point of the verse Kath, the "other sheep" are made one fold, the two become one.

Paul wrote that YOU were gentiles, strangers of the covenant of promise, having no hope, "aliens" of the Commonwealth of Israel. He later write that through faith we no longer are aliens but "fellow citizens." No longer are we strangers of the covenant of promise. We become one fold, are grafted in "among them."
---Ken_Rank on 2/25/09


trav,
I believe kath has missed the obvious...If I may borrow what you posted to point it out...

"And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 10:15-17
---Trav on 2/25/09
It doesn't matter what we are in the flesh. It is whether the Holy Spirit of Christ Jesus abides in us and we abide in him.
This makes us part of the "1 Fold" with "1 Shepherd- Jesus".
---miche3754 on 2/25/09


And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 10:15-17
---Trav on 2/25/09

Well Trav, there you go...correctly answering the question at the top....the other sheep are NOT referred to as the Lost sheep of the House of Israel.

Yes, if we want to say all lost men are referred to as sheep from the time of Adam & Eve.

But we too must remember what sheep are.....STUPID!!!!!

And we see in John for the first time a reference to gentiles.
---kathr4453 on 2/25/09


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trav.....
WOW brother(on your last post)!
I am in awe and you are right!
God bless you~
---miche3754 on 2/25/09


***Once you are grafted into the promise, you become changed, transformed no longer a stranger or gentile. You become Israel in Spirit.Israel- GOD'S PEOPLE- THOSE IN CHRIST!***


Miche, when was I ever a Gentile to begin with? And when was I ever broken off to be grafted in?

Are you using ( GENTILE) as those who are lost, regardless of whether they are Jew or Gentile? That's MORMON!

Miche, it says SOME of the branches were broken off, not ALL of the Branches...

Miche, I don't need anyone to explain to me what YOU believe. I also know what I believe and am at peace with my beliefs.

Miche, would you please STOP insinuating every time you reply back to me that I am mad, screaming at you, etc. I am not!
---kathr4453 on 2/25/09


Kath, I didn't say they were earthly(fleshly) Israel. Just because you don't understand this yet, doesn't mean you have to get mad at me.
Once you are grafted into the promise, you become changed, transformed no longer a stranger or gentile. You become Israel in Spirit.Israel- GOD'S PEOPLE- THOSE IN CHRIST!

Can somebody please explain that to her because she is not getting it from me. She has too much malice in her heart for me to allow another woman to teach her.
Thank you kath and God bless you sister.
My brothers, I really enjoy your posts and have learned much from you. Thank you and God Bless you all!
---miche3754 on 2/25/09


The promises to us, and our position is much HIGHER than earthly Israel will be.
---kathr4453 on 2/24/09

U can't see afflicted w/pastorfever but, others may, that judah/jews are only a part...one thirteenth actually of who you believe Israel is.
U don't know where the other parts are. I don't know where they all are. They don't even know themselves....yet.
I know them when I run into,communicate with them. U are right and wrong at the same time. A phenomena.
Heb 8:8-10
Jer 31:31-33
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice, and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
John 10:15-17
---Trav on 2/25/09


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Trav
Wow, I got chills reading that!
Wow, Wow,Wow
God Bless You!
---TheSeg on 2/24/09

Moreso you.

I know the sensation....
---Trav on 2/25/09


16Therefore it is of faith, that it might be by grace, to the end the promise might be sure to all the seed, not to that only which is of the law, but to that also which is of the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,

17(As it is written, I have made thee a father of many nations,) before him whom he believed, even God, who quickeneth the dead, and calleth those things which be not as though they were. .......

23Now it was not written for his sake alone, that it was imputed to him,

24But for us also, to whom it shall be imputed, if we believe on him that raised up Jesus our Lord from the dead,

25Who was delivered for our offences, and was raised again for our justification.
---kathr4453 on 2/24/09


Yes Miche, i am Christ's, and throught the promises to Abraham in the Everlasting Covenant I am a JOINT HEIR WITH CHRIST.I am a Child of Promise and will inherit the PROMISE through FAITH . Do you KNOW what that PROMISE IS?

The Church will inherit ALL things in Christ.

# Galatians 3:29
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to THE promise.



# Romans 4:14
For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:

# Romans 8:17
And if children, then heirs, heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ, if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
---kathr4453 on 2/24/09


Continue please...

Miche, those who are Joint Heirs with Christ are the CHURCH. The Bride of Christ...not Earthly Israel who is God the Fathers. These are elect for the Fathers sdake. WE are in Christ...a GIFT to Jesus Christ. The pearl of Great Price. The Church is that pearl. The promises to us, and our position is much HIGHER than earthly Israel will be. AND what THEY must endure through the Great Triblation to come into their inheritance ...not only the Land, PEACE ON EARTH, Jesus as KING of KINGS sitting upon the throne of David. WE, chosen out at this time called the Church age, both Jew and Gentile are HIS BODY, and will reign and rule with Christ during the 1000 years.
---kathr4453 on 2/24/09


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Trav
Wow, I got chills reading that!
Wow, Wow,Wow
God Bless You!
---TheSeg on 2/24/09


Good point Trav, the sticks in Ezk. 37 and the two folds of sheep mentioned by Yahshua are the same.

Paul wrote in time PAST we were gentiles in the flesh, without hope, aliens of the Commonwealth of Israel, strangers to the covenant of promise.

Praise be to God Almighty, for we are no longer gentiles in the flesh but through faith have been drawn near. We now have hope, are no longer strangers to the covenant of promise, and are no longer aliens of the Commonwealth of Israel

Yahshua (Jesus) our King, is indeed King of Israel!

Gal. 6:15-15- we are the Israel of God!
---Ken_Rank on 2/24/09


AG>> In simplest terms, I believe the "House of Judah" was/is the tribes of the disporia.

Ken>> You're on the right path AG. There are two Kingdoms, the Northern and Southern. The Southern Kingdom is Judah, "jew" is the modern short form of Judah. The Northern Kingdom is made up of 10 tribes of Israel, it was they who are dispersed.

All of Judah belongs to Israel, but not all Israel is Judah.

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/24/09


Miche, we are grafted into the Covenant made to Abraham. That covenant ALSO extends to Earthly Israel and those promises to her. Romans 11.

The Israel you see today in Jerusalem IS FLESHLY and will always be ISRAEL. The Church does not replace those promises made to them nor ROB them of their future blessing by saying we replaced them. The Church is not promised LAND...Ezekiel 36.

In the OT 95% refers to the earthly Kingdom Reign of Jesus Christ. 5% is referring to REDEEMER/CRUCIFIED...Isaiah 53 for starts.

Those 95% promises were NOT negated by Christ Crucified, because it took Christ Crucified and risen to fulfill these future promises to Israel with The GLORIFIED Lord reigning as KING on earth for 1000 years.
---kathr4453 on 2/24/09


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Sticks and Sheep same.
Ezekiel 37:19-21
19Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand.

20And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.

21And say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD, Behold, I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen, whither they be gone, and will gather them on every side, and bring them into their own land:
---Trav on 2/24/09


Kath, I am NOT teaching it is a people.
If you stop your yelling and read what I said.
God's people- Christians ARE grafted in BY Jesus Christ.
This is HOW God's people will be seen and recognized.
Israel is NOT fleshly. They are spiritual and are recognized by the Spirit of Christ in them.
Don't you have Christ in you?
Then you are part of God's People- Israel.
You are no longer a gentile. You belong to the part that is grafted in and therfore are part of the ONE Body of Christ.
By the way kath, a Jew is of Judah, NOT Israel.
---miche3754 on 2/24/09


"the children of Promise. "
Kath, you are a person right?
You have Christ, The SEED of Abraham in you, right?
Romans 9:5-7
Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of Christ, who is God over all, forever praised! Amen.
It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel(flesh) are Israel(Spiritual, Have Spirit of Christ). Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned."
Also Romans chapter 11
You are part of the ones Paul is talking about here.
I can't get any plainer than this.
---miche3754 on 2/24/09


That SEED is Jesus, not a people.
Like I said, who is the one that is unteachable?
---Miche3754 on 2/24/09

Oh Mich, EXACTLY, teh seed is Jesus and not a people....YOU are teaching it is a people. I am saying it is Jesus Christ....a NEW CREATION no longer Jew or Gentile.

Why do you speak in circles? You say you become a Jew....Israel... I say NO, we become ONE IN CHRIST...ONE NEW MAN....not Israel, not Gentile, no longer male or female..ABOVE and FREE In Christ. No longer of this world, no longer known after the flesh. Translated out of this world into the Kingdom of His Dear Son....JESUS is not Israel, Jesus is GOD!!
---kathr4453 on 2/24/09


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Kath, I guess you have missed this in the Bible where Christ cpeaks of it and Paul teaches on it.
Messiah said he came "for the lost sheep of the House of Israel." He later said he had "other sheep" he would bring. The two he said, would become one fold.
We all become ONE in Christ.
Once you were a stranger, gentile, but now you are a partaker of the "SEED" of Abraham- JESUS.
Sister, God told Abraham that through ONE SEED he would become the father of MANY.
That SEED is Jesus, not a people.
Like I said, who is the one that is unteachable?
---Miche3754 on 2/24/09


Sheep are known....and found. Known by their marks. Millions fulfilling scripture. If believe scripture. Many don't. Despised for scripture? Also a sign.
My sheep wandered through all mountains, upon every high hill: yea, my flock was scattered upon all the face of earth, none did search or seek after them.
Ezekiel 34:5-7
Ezekiel 34:11
For thus saith Lord GOD, Behold, I, even I, will both search my sheep, and seek them out.
But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
John 10:25-27

And he shall set sheep on his right hand, but goats on left.
Matthew 25:32-34

WOE BE UNTO PASTORS that destroy and scatter the sheep of my pasture! saith the LORD.
Jeremiah 23:1-3
AMEN!
---Trav on 2/24/09


***By the way, the Seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.***

Yes Miche, I have posted this fact here many many times. AND those who receive Jesus Christ become the children of Promise.

Miche, if you continue to insist YOU are the Lost sheep of the house of Israel, YOU are stating according to Romans 11 you are lost and blind.

Or are you stating YOU are the ELECT out of Israel? If you are saying YOU are the ELECT, you are teaching Calvinism.

OR are you a Gentile, grafted in to the Abrahamic Covenant, where ALL families of the earth will be blessed. ALL families then meaning GENTILES, and Israel **Romans 4?

Abraham was not ISRAEL..Jacob is....

Abraham is the father of all..Gentiles and Israel through faith.
---kathr4453 on 2/24/09


kath,
If you recall a conversation between you, me and Shawn M.T., on another topic.You and Shawn taught me very much on the subject. You should know from that, sister, that I am very teachable.
I am trying to teach you something just like you did me, but you refuse to see it or receive it.
So who is the one that is unteachable?
By the way, the Seed of Abraham is Jesus Christ.
If you read the parable of Jesus being the vine you will find very much knowledge in it. Just follow the vine sister and you will find what I am trying to teach you is the truth.
God Bless you~ and thank you ken, you are very right brother.
---miche3754 on 2/24/09


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Now, again, IS there ANOTHER HOUSE or is all mankind from the Beginning of time..the Lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL? And why would Jesus say not to go to the Gentiles or Samaria? Is Jesus refusing salvation to them? This is what Calvinism teaches. ---kathr4453 on 2/23/09

Kath, Paul said to the gentiles, before they were lost, but now they are grafted in becoming part of the Covenant.
Once you are grafted into the Vine(Jesus),
are you still a gentile, or are you an Israelite?
When you are grafted into the VINE, you become transformed.
What is transformed? your Spirit.
Not refusing sis, transforming.
---miche3754 on 2/24/09


Jesus teaches us OBEDIENCE through humiliation. We sin, then he punishes, then we turn back to him. If we do not get punished we are not one of his. Nobody is perfect, but all Christians go through firey trials. Those not going through trials are not Christians, don't believe in God, and don't believe there is a Hell to fear. If we go to Heaven we know it is through the goodness of God, punishing us to teach us the right way. However some people do not accept punishments, or interpret them as 'blessings in disguise' or 'just an accident' 'Just bad luck'. We need to know when God is chastising us, and find out why. It is a just God that finally rewards those who sought to understand God's actions in their lives.
---frances008 on 2/23/09


From the beginning, has there been more than one father?
So how say you now, he has not been your father?
He did not separate himself from us we separated ourselves from him.


How many loaves have ye? And they said, Seven, and a few little fishes.

Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up? How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?

There is more than enough bread in him for all.
beware!
---TheSeg on 2/23/09


Job was a perfect man who God allowed to be mistreated (unjustly) by the devil. Why did God do this? It was to test Job. He knew that Job was perfect and would pass the test. Job refused to say that God punished him though he was perfect. Job refused to curse God as unjust. That was why God ended up blessing him with much more than he had allowed the devil to take away from him. If true, or if a parable, the story tells us that God is just and does not punish righteousness. He is a rewarder of good and a punisher of evil. To say We don't deserve Heaven, but rely on Jesus alone, - is to make out that Jesus differentiates between religions and has systems for us to go through. No. The good go to Heaven. God is not unjust.
---frances008 on 2/23/09


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Trey,
In simplest terms, I believe the "House of Judah" was/is the tribes of the disporia. Many of which lost their true identity via interfaith relations and therefore consider themselves gentiles.
I also believe the "House of Judah" is the prodigal son of Christ's parable.
---AG on 2/23/09


Many want to claim THEY are the Children of Promise...They are the CHOSEN ones....the Spiritual children of Abraham.

How did you become a child of Promise? Were you born with that privledge? Was it decided before you were born YOU were Abraham's Spiritual seed?

WELL, a Child of Promse is this....The Promise we must first establish is not YOU but Christ, and the Promise in Galatians is the Promise of the Holy Spirit IN YOU. The Spirit of the Life of Christ in you.

ANYONE can become a Child of Promise simply by receiving Jesus Christ as their savior. You are then BAPTIZED by the Holy Spirit into His Death and resurrection life....no longer in BONDAGE...but FREE!
---kathr4453 on 2/23/09


Guys, Messiah said he came "for the lost sheep of the House of Israel." He later said he had "other sheep" he would bring. The two he said, would become one fold.

Understanding what Paul states in Eph 2:11-19 regarding who we were and who we are, and knowing that Israel, as a people, are for "everlasting," then when the other sheep (us) are joined with the lost sheep, and the lost sheep are called Israel perpetually, what do you think you are called, gentiles?

Miche...relax my friend. Few will see and understand the things you are trying to present. Remember the gist of Acts 3:19-21, this is just beginning.

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/23/09


Matthew 15:22_28, is not that what even Paul taught? Ephesians 4:4: "There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling, One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all." 1 Corinthians 10:17: "For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread."

The Canaanite woman, did she eat crumbs or did she partake of the bread of the children THROUGH FAITH? What say you kathr4453?
---Nana on 2/23/09


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The Bible as history and also as metaphor when spoken in the mouths of the prophets, shows us who is who and what is what. Israel represents all of God's chosen people whether Jew or gentile. If we do not repent, we will be destroyed when Jesus returns, or sooner. Repent means turn from our sins and strive after God, strive to be perfect.
---frances008 on 2/23/09


We are talking about the lost sheep, not your personal vendetta against me.
I am trying to show you.
That we are the lost sheep.I have given you scripture, I can do no more. It is funny how the ones who are unteachable claim to be leaders.
God bless kath.
---miche3754 on 2/23/09


Miche, I have no personal vendetta against you. Now I agree we are all LOST, and were the day Adam /Eve sinned....but we are not ALL the lost sheep of the House of Israel. Now, again, IS there ANOTHER HOUSE or is all mankind from the Beginning of time..the Lost sheep of the HOUSE OF ISRAEL? And why would Jesus say not to go to the Gentiles or Samaria? Is Jesus refusing salvation to them? This is what Calvinism teaches. Are YOU unteachable?
---kathr4453 on 2/23/09


You teach, God helps those who help themselves. WRONG!- kath

Kath, I have to laugh, sis. I have never said I give myself the glory. Go back and reread my post with the Holy Spirit as your guide not anger.
You keep trying to get me to get mad you. It's not going to work.
We are talking about the lost sheep, not your personal vendetta against me.
I am trying to show you.
That we are the lost sheep.I have given you scripture, I can do no more. It is funny how the ones who are unteachable claim to be leaders.
God bless kath.
---miche3754 on 2/23/09


Kath, I didn't say we are in the kingdom now. You really like putting words in my mouth don't you.

I'm talking about HOW Christ will Identify you as 1 of his.
Christ said his sheep hear and obey HIS voice, right.
Christ said if we repent, "I and my Father will come and make our abode in you".
Acts 1:5-7(you forgot the identifying in v.5)
For John baptized with water, but in a few days you will be baptized with the Holy Spirit."
So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"
He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.

Holy Spirit, sister, Christ Spirit.
---miche3754 on 2/23/09


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Ephesians 3: 20Now UNTO HIM that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,

21 UNTO HIM BE GLORY in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

I would contend both Jesus, Paul, James, John, Jude Peter etc, were BRASH!

You teach, God helps those who help themselves. WRONG!

Scripture teaches God helps those who CAN'T help themselves....Why? Because this is what bring GLORY TO GOD!!!! THIS IS HUMILITY!

Who do you think parted the sea...God or Moses?

Paul said, what do you have that God did not give you? he then asks...then where is the boasting?
---kathr4453 on 2/23/09


kath,
You can disagree with me all you wish Kath, but it is the truth.
God's people are Israel
Israel is not fleshly anymore, they are Spiritual and they are they Ones Christ lives in.
That is part of the New Covenant. If you study deep enough in the Word of God, you would realize this, instead of getting mad at me.
Christ said He came to save Israel that is lost.
The original Israel(fleshly) would not follow God and was the Branch that was cut off. They are then grafted back in Spiritually through Jesus Christ.
God said he is seeking a people that will worship in Spirit and in truth. God is a Spirit and we that worship him must worship in Spirit and truth. God's people- IS RA EL- The ones Christ abides in.
---miche3754 on 2/23/09


Well, that the Gentiles that are grafted in become Spiritual Israel. Israel simple mean "God's People". ...
Those in the NC are Identified as the ones with Christ in them- Israel- God's people.
---miche3754 on 2/23/09

Wrong Miche. You are trying to spiritualize away Israel .

Mima, I completely agree with you.

The problem is, If you don't believe in the Mellinnial Kingdom reign of Christ when He reutrns and RESTORES the KINGDOM To Israel, as He said in Acts 1:6 and 7...You will also SEE that KINGDOM is not NOW, but only the Father knows when. Also note the Second coming of Christ Matthew 24...only the Faher KNOWS that too.
So if we are in the Kingdom NOW, how is it YOU know this and Jesus doesn't!!!
---kathr4453 on 2/23/09


I stand with Miche. Paul (Eph 2:11-19) says we were "once" aliens and stangers of the Commonwealth of Israel but now through faith in Messiah are considered "fellow citizens."

As Miche pointed out, there are those who are called Israel who are not OF Israel. We are grafted in among them. Yahushua (Jesus) said that he had come for the lost sheep but will bring "other sheep." He then says that these two flocks will become ONE.

Seeing the Jer. 31:31-34 prophecy and it's further explanation in Hebrews 8 claims the new covenant is made "only" with the House of Israel and the House of Judah.

We do NOT replace Israel, we become PART of God's people, Israel!

Ken
---Ken_Rank on 2/23/09


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Your own words betray you Miche. You brag on your own strength, comparing yourselves to others!- kath

And where have I said this and done this?
One might think you are pointing the finger in the wrong direction.
I said if it weren't for GOD I would not make it.
You are crass and disrespectful to those with more knowledge than you.

Paul plainly said "NOT all Israel is of Israel".
Tell me kath, what could he have meant by this?
Well, that the Gentiles that are grafted in become Spiritual Israel. Israel simple mean "God's People". Aren't you God's?
I know I am.
Those in the NC are Identified as the ones with Christ in them- Israel- God's people.
---miche3754 on 2/23/09


I am going to assume that it would be the ones whom God has chosen, but has not been saved, as of yet!
---catherine on 2/22/09


However Trav, there are only 2 verses in scripture stating the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel.
---kathr4453 on 2/20/09
But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 10:5-7

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
Matthew 15:23-25
---Trav on 2/20/09
Some find it authoritative when Jesus is making statement.

A prophet to prove Jesus fulfilling:
My people hath been lost sheep: their shepherds have caused them to go astray, ....
Jeremiah 50:5-7
But made his own people to go forth like sheep, and guided them in the wilderness like a flock.
Psalm 78:51-53
---Trav on 2/22/09


Park two-" 11-And it shall come to pass in that day, that the Lord shall set his hand again the second time to recover the remnant of his people, which shall be left, from Assyria, and from Egypt, and from Pathros, and from Cush, and from Elam, and from Shinar, and from Hamath, and from the islands of the sea.

12-And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth"
(Isaiah 11:11-12)
notice the reference to " dispersed of Judah".
I do not believe the second gathering has taken place yet, and so I believe this speaks to the time after the Battle of Armageddon and before the millennial kingdom.
---mima on 2/22/09


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When speaking to the question, who are in the loss sheep of Israel, I have ideas but no knowledge of exactly who is who for example I can not mention any specific countries.
I am of the understanding that the elect(Israel) are widely dispersed throughout the world.
One of my scriptural foundations for this believe is, Isaiah 11:11-12 which reads,
to be continued.
---mima on 2/22/09


Love the Lord.
---Betty on 2/22/09


AG, I am very interested to hear what you have to say concerning the House of Judah. I know who they are, but don't understand the differce spiritually between Judah and Israel???
---trey on 2/22/09


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