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Does Suffering Please God

Does it please God to see a Born again Christian suffer that he may manifest Christ?

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Brandon, you are confusing God with Satan. Plain and simple. God is not pleased with suffering.

God loves you. In spite of the pain we endure on Earth, we learn. That is God.
---Deb on 5/24/09


Paul said tha I may KNOW Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His suffering.

God also promises that the sufferings of this present time are not worhty to be campared to teh Glory that is to follow.

Those who SUFFER with Him will also be glorified together with Him.

It's the sufferings of Christ in us that conform us to His Image. Head Knowledge will not.
---kathr4453 on 5/4/09


To Whosoever Has An Ear To Hear?

As our High Priest, the Lord can be touched with the feelings of our infirmities(Heb.4:15) and while He's willing to suffer for us, He isn't pleased that we must suffer BUT He knows that except a grain of wheat fall into the ground & die, it will not bring forth any Fruits(John 12:24) and while no chastening for the present moment seems to be joyous, but grievous :nevertheless afterward it's to yield the Peaceable Fruit unto Righteousness. Heb.12:11

Everyone will come under the persecution we must suffer unto Death and God is pleased when we do so for Christ sake. The Will of God will be Done & it's better that we suffer for the Good in 'Well Doing', than for the sins in evil doing. 1Peter3:27
---Shawn_M.T. on 5/2/09


***God gets no pleasure in the sufferings of His Saints.***

Isaiah 53:10
Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him, he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand.


And:
Psalms 116:15Precious in the sight of the LORD is the death of his saints.
---kathr4453 on 5/1/09


To understand Jesus you must first know God, through the new birth. God is an unsafe God....Anyone who is guilty of persecuting God's people, shall end up in the LAKE of FIRE. Christians must forgive. However, God does not have to forgive, anyone. Whatever is being done wrongly, unjustly, To His people, God takes upon Himself as it being done unto Him. WOE to the wicked man. Yet, God is an unsafe God, because He will lead His people into snake pits or worse. Still, God gets no pleasure in the sufferings of His Saints. God sent His only Son to die on a cross at the hands of wicked men in POWER. He is an unsafe God.
---catherine on 4/28/09




Everybody suffers at various times in life...sinner and saint alike. Nobody is protected from pain. I believe that what is most important to God is HOW a person, especially one of His own, RESPONDS to suffering.

Even whether the Christian is a "good" witness or not, may not be as important as whether a suffering person is drawn closer to God or loses faith in God. Does he benefit in the end because of his experience?
---Donna66 on 4/27/09


No. The Lord is not willing that any should perish - why would He be willing that they suffer? I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, He said.
---Betty on 4/27/09


God was pleased with Jesus' suffering. The suffering we are to endure is the suffering for righteousness sake. Persecution, suffering for doing good, suffering for the sake of the gospel~these are the marks of Christ.
---Linda on 1/31/09


God in the Old Testament was pleased by the aroma of burning flesh and demanded blood be sprinkled onto his altars. In the New Testament he sent his own son to die a horrible death on the cross. Jesus had to pay the price of sin, but to whom was this fee owed? You guessed it, God demanded the blood of his own son. In short, yes, God is pleased by the suffering of people.
---Brandon on 1/22/09


shawnmt, right on brother.
---tom2 on 1/21/09




Donna you are exactly right..there are many reasons why folks suffer & yes they are in the bible, but that does not mean that a christian is supposed to "suffer" the same...
For example, Hannah, true she was baren/without child, but that doesn't glorify God. If my wife was w/o child & someone said, "This is God's will..." I could never agree with them. Reason being, the fall of man is the reason for sickness & stuff....not the fall of God. God has not/will not change ever.
Suffering for the gospel's sake HAS NOTHING to do with getting sick. Suffering refers to persecution or even death.
---Rickey on 1/19/09


Opalgal said it best in this statement..."manifesting Christ will cause the suffering of persecution."

In 2Corinthians 12 Paul suffer/went through persecution, not sickness, for the gospel's sake. The messenger of satan was an actual being not sickness.
---Rickey on 1/19/09


To Whosoever has an ear to hear?

Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness(Heb.12:11).

God is pleased by our 'Obedience to His Word' not because we suffer in its chastening for the present moment, but because it yields the peaceable fruit of rightousness.

So although we will come under the suffering of persuction, it is still better to suffer for good than to suffer for evil!!!!

For it is better, if the will of God be so, that ye suffer for well doing, than for evil doing(1Peter3:27).
---Shawn_M.T. on 1/17/09


Rom8:32He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? God freely gives.35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? tribulation, distress, persecution, famine, nakedness, peril, sword? Rom8:36-37 2Cor4:8 We are troubled on every side, yet not distressed, perplexed, but not in despair, 9Persecuted, but not forsaken, cast down, but not destroyed,
10Always bearing in the body the dying of the Lord Jesus, that the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our body. 11 we which live are always delivered unto death for Jesus' sake, the life also of Jesus might be made manifest in our mortal flesh. You do not think this pleases God?
---Craig on 1/14/09


it doesn't take suffering test, trials and adversity in order to manifest Christ.
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He is the Anointed One who was sent by God to remove burdens and destroy yokes.
He showed God's will in healing people. giving to the poor. delivering others. accepting those who were social outcasts.
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manifesting Christ will cause the suffering of persecution.
---opalgal on 1/14/09


No way! There is nothing in Scripture, taken in it's proper context, that would support this idea of God being pleased in our suffering. While a Christian can suffer, and use this suffering as a means to strength the spiritual person, it's not brought on by God, but is only used for His glory if the Christian endures. Even in the case of Job in the OT, it was satan who caused the suffering of Job in order to test Job's spiritual strength.
---wivv on 1/14/09


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Ricky,
There are all kinds of suffering and we suffer for various reasons.

Jesus suffered in the Garden of Gethsemane - his soul was deeply grieved.

Hanna suffered because she was a barren woman. Her grief until she bore a child was unbearable.

David suffered when his son Absalom killed Amnon for raping Tamar. David also suffered after he committed aadultery and murder and fasted for 3 days for God not to take his son and it was too late.

So I think these biblical examples of suffering give us a wide range of reasons for why we suffer...there are MANY more reasons, these are just a few.
---donna8365 on 1/13/09


Heb 12
5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him:

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.

7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons, for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?

8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
---Duane_D_Martin on 1/13/09


No. What people consider suffering is usually due to lack of knowledge or just plain old stupid religion....
Religion defines suffering as God putting sickness on you to glorify Himself...that opposes scripture.(1Peter 2:24)
There are several other examples, but common sense & studying the word will show what most folks call "suffering" is wrong.
---Rickey on 1/13/09


Thank you tom2 for the input. I was referring to 2 peter 3:9, but, I misquoted. It does say that God is not willing that any should perish. Forgive my mistake, but, it doesn't change the fact that God would rather we receive His blessing than suffer. But He also knows that we are weak and subject to turning away and must therefore suffer the consequences. Thank God for His endless mercy and grace.
---tommy3007 on 1/12/09


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It doesn't please God to see anyone suffer, but the results of suffering far outweigh the cost of suffering.

For the Joy set before Him, He endured the cross. Talking about Jesus here.

You endure suffering which brings you into such a deeper level in God because you cling to Him, you search the Word for comfort, you allow Him to comfort you, and He brings about Glorious results in your life.

It's like I tell people, if I never had a brokenheart, I wouldn't know how to minister to a brokenhearted person. And I wouldn't know God heals the brokenheart and binds up their wounds. I found that all out through a painful, devastating trial I went through.
---donna8365 on 1/12/09


tommy3007,Gods word says that none should perish.its not that none shall suffer.
---tom2 on 1/12/09


No, the suffering does not please God, but the results can. If we suffer because of our walk with the Lord, allowing the suffering to drive into a deeper dependence on God and trust in Him then He will be pleased. Scripture tells us that God "is not willing that any should suffer." Did it please God for His Son to suffer and die the way He did? Ultimately, YES, because it provided the way for salvation.
---tommy3007 on 1/12/09


james 1-1-4 tells us that all that happens is a testing,trying of faith,that this will perfect patience.the apostles all suffered,and were eventually put to death for their faith.even today in third world contries maqny christians are still martyred.suffering is a fact of this life,until we are with our lord,in heaven.God brought suffering upon his son for our sake.and I believe God allows it ,for our good.though we dont enjoy it,it will ultimately strenghten us.
---tom2 on 1/11/09


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at the baptism of jesus by john the baptist,a voice was heard saying this is my son in whom iam well pleased,then jesus lead of the spirit went into the dessert 40 days and nights to be tempted of the devil,too strengthen him.ever walk around in a dessert for 40 days and nights?probably not really joyful experience.ever been crucified,not much joy in that either,lots of suffering though,so as jesus suffered so will we as his followers,why cause he said we would.
---tom2 on 1/11/09


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